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Ebay 'hidden' feedback - no rants, pls
Hi, all concerned:
Saw a listing the other day in which the term "hidden' feedback was used. IIRC, the seller was touting a boatanchor. Searched ebay policy for references, none found. Anyone have an explanation, pls? TIA & 73, Dave, N3HE |
eBay allows a user to hide their feedback. I simply do not deal with those
who have hidden feedback. "David J Windisch" wrote in message ... Hi, all concerned: Saw a listing the other day in which the term "hidden' feedback was used. IIRC, the seller was touting a boatanchor. Searched ebay policy for references, none found. Anyone have an explanation, pls? TIA & 73, Dave, N3HE |
Hidden feedback means the seller probably has less than
stellar opinions of what he's selling. But I do know of one seller with 100% positive who also uses hidden feedback. So not sure what ALL the motivations might be. Clearly some folks just don't like the whole feedback system. Personally, I think Ebay should make it so you couldn't post feedback for 30 days after an auction closes. That way the two parties could 'work things out' if the deal went south. Also should be able to change your words or rating. I don't see why they make such a big deal of the permanence of comments. If they have to be set in stone, then at least make it 30 days before they can be written so that tempers can calm. "David J Windisch" wrote in message ... Hi, all concerned: Saw a listing the other day in which the term "hidden' feedback was used. IIRC, the seller was touting a boatanchor. Searched ebay policy for references, none found. Anyone have an explanation, pls? TIA & 73, Dave, N3HE |
"David J Windisch" wrote in message ... Hi, all concerned: Saw a listing the other day in which the term "hidden' feedback was used. IIRC, the seller was touting a boatanchor. Most (not all) sellers who have hidden feedback are scammers and crooks! Searched ebay policy for references, none found. Anyone have an explanation, pls? TIA & 73, Dave, N3HE |
Ebay is strange. They pulled my auction because I refered to my Hallicrafters World Wide as being like the Zenith TOs. They called it Search manipulation and also I stated in my auction that Pay Pal Pymts must include their transaction fee which is 2.9 percent+ $0.30 USD and they said: Quote: Pay Pal Pymts must include their transaction fee which is 2.9 percent+ $0.30 USD. The above text is a reference to an additional charge for bidders who pay by credit card or a separate payment processing service. This surcharge, which is an added cost to the buyer over and above the final sale price and reasonable shipping and handling costs, is not permitted on eBay. Additional charges that are an added cost to the bidder over and above the final sale price are not permitted by eBay. Currently, the only fees that may be added to the final price of an eBay item are reasonable shipping and handling fees, escrow service fees, and certain currency exchange fees. More information about these fees can be found at the bottom of the eBay listing policies page: I don't see why I have to be gouged twice by Ebay and PayPal for offering a conveinant way to pay. Gezz only they can charge for everthing I guess? Like buyers can't read and make up there own mind. -- 73 and good DXing. Brian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire! Zumbrota, Southern MN Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/ |
Brian:
So if you want to cover the PayPal fee, offer a discounted shipping for paying in CASH, or place a minimum bid or reserve that is the total of your minimum price plus the ebay/Paypal fees. I know, 2.9 percent seems a bit high for using paypal, but I'd be willing to bet a large number of people with merchant accounts that take credit cards directly are charged more than a fair bit over 2% for non-swiped Credit Card transactions... Of course, PayPal has to take their pound of flesh. They started with the idea they were going to get rich on the float... that is, they charge the buyer immediately (by credit card or from their bank account), and it sits in the PayPal bank account (or elsewhere) drawing interest until they have to pay the seller. This can be nearly a month in some instances, and banks are well known for making a ton of money on this "float" time. Well, things got interesting, and their automated systems didn't cost all that much, but they needed a higher gross to cover a number of problems with disputed transactions and such so they added a cost to sellers that mimics what they would normally pay to a merchant account provider if they took credit cards. Knowing the volumes they must have, Paypal can't be paying over 2% for non-swiped CC transactions, so the other 0.9% is for their "overhead and expenses". Sounds like I'm writing for them doesn't it? Well, it's anything but the case, because if you look at the cost they have of doing business when the transaction is a transfer from the buyer's checking account, then you see where they are making their profit. eBay started with a good idea, and have expanded from there. They are clearly the most popular of the auction sites, and everyone else I've looked at is charging nearly the same fees as they are. If I remember correctly, they bought PayPal a while back, so they are making it on both sides now. However, if you look at the alternatives, PayPal isn't all that bad to deal with, compared to some other payment solutions. If you think PayPal is bad, look at Western Union BidPay... They charge the buyer 2.95 for an $11 transaction, and $7.92 for a $110 transaction, and the seller doesn't have to pay a discount... Sounds great for the seller, but the buyer gets gouged pretty good.... Personally, I won't bid on an auction that uses BidPay unless they accept company checks or postal money order as payment. When selling, I accept credit cards directly (I have my own merchant account, and the discount rate I pay is under 2%). Good Luck -_Rick Brian Hill wrote: Ebay is strange. They pulled my auction because I refered to my Hallicrafters World Wide as being like the Zenith TOs. They called it Search manipulation and also I stated in my auction that Pay Pal Pymts must include their transaction fee which is 2.9 percent+ $0.30 USD and they said: Quote: Pay Pal Pymts must include their transaction fee which is 2.9 percent+ $0.30 USD. The above text is a reference to an additional charge for bidders who pay by credit card or a separate payment processing service. This surcharge, which is an added cost to the buyer over and above the final sale price and reasonable shipping and handling costs, is not permitted on eBay. Additional charges that are an added cost to the bidder over and above the final sale price are not permitted by eBay. Currently, the only fees that may be added to the final price of an eBay item are reasonable shipping and handling fees, escrow service fees, and certain currency exchange fees. More information about these fees can be found at the bottom of the eBay listing policies page: I don't see why I have to be gouged twice by Ebay and PayPal for offering a conveinant way to pay. Gezz only they can charge for everthing I guess? Like buyers can't read and make up there own mind. -- 73 and good DXing. Brian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire! Zumbrota, Southern MN Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/ |
Brian Hill wrote:
I don't see why I have to be gouged twice by Ebay and PayPal for offering a conveinant way to pay. Gezz only they can charge for everthing I guess? Like buyers can't read and make up there own mind. It cuts both ways. A normal operating business considers expenses like that as part of doing business. As a customer I would be outraged if I went to a merchant and they charged me extra because I chose some particular form of payment. -BM |
exray wrote: It cuts both ways. A normal operating business considers expenses like that as part of doing business. As a customer I would be outraged if I went to a merchant and they charged me extra because I chose some particular form of payment. Agreed, Bill. People work at Ebay and PayPal, and they have families to feed, too. They provide an outstanding service for reasonable money. The service charges, when compared to the costs of doing business in the old "brick and morter" way, are far less. Traditional auction houses are going to get 10-15% of the final bid price, so the buyer gets nailed good. Then the seller gets stuck with an average 5.5% charge if the buyer uses a credit card. Ebay and PayPal fees are way below this, and they both seller and buyer an outstanding, low-overhead market in which to do business. Personally, I think they're the best thing since sliced bread. Selling a few things on Ebay is the only way I can afford my radio hobby, and it also helps Kay stay home to take care of the babies. The Ebay and PayPal fees are less than half traditional, and the market is orders of magnitude larger. I'm grateful for their service. 73 Dave S. |
David Stinson wrote:
exray wrote: It cuts both ways. A normal operating business considers expenses like that as part of doing business. As a customer I would be outraged if I went to a merchant and they charged me extra because I chose some particular form of payment. Agreed, Bill. People work at Ebay and PayPal, and they have families to feed, too. Its not just that, David. Its the attitude that some sellers have that you should have to pay them additional to take your your money. Same mentality often tries to gouge unexplainable "handling" fees because they need to be paid extra for their time. One clown charged me 50 cents extra for his having to print an invoice (which I didn't need or ask for) and another 50 cents for printing an address label! After all, "these things cost money". Can you imagine having to pay for a portion of the roll of cash register tape at the supermarket or them charging you for using the cashier? Where do people get off thinking that these are legitimate things to charge to a buyer? -BM |
"Rick Frazier" wrote in message ... Brian: So if you want to cover the PayPal fee, offer a discounted shipping for paying in CASH, or place a minimum bid or reserve that is the total of your minimum price plus the ebay/Paypal fees. SNIP I don't have a problem with Pay Pal or Ebay and I do agree. My only problem is I can't state in my auction the things I would like to charge to cover my cost of doing biz. Yes I can set a reserve but there again is another cost. I just think its funny they won't let the bidder make up his/her own mind. Believe me I love capitalism. -- 73 and good DXing. Brian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire! Zumbrota, Southern MN Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/ |
"exray" wrote in message ... Brian Hill wrote: I don't see why I have to be gouged twice by Ebay and PayPal for offering a conveinant way to pay. Gezz only they can charge for everthing I guess? Like buyers can't read and make up there own mind. It cuts both ways. A normal operating business considers expenses like that as part of doing business. As a customer I would be outraged if I went to a merchant and they charged me extra because I chose some particular form of payment. -BM Bill your one of the brightest guys I've meet online but. Lets just put it this way. I can either have a reserve that covers my cost or I can have no reserve and just state the fees. Either way as with any sold product the cost of doing biz is always past on to the buyer. What form it takes is neither here nor there. So I guess I don't understand the outrage you would have if I'm upfront with you on cost? -- 73 and good DXing. Brian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire! Zumbrota, Southern MN Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/ |
exray wrote:
Can you imagine having to pay for a portion of the roll of cash register tape at the supermarket or them charging you for using the cashier? Where do people get off thinking that these are legitimate things to charge to a buyer? Well... ....you *are* paying for them, in either case. (Where do you suppose the money to pay for the cashiers and cash register tape comes from?) -- John Miller Email address: domain, n4vu.com; username, jsm The only real advantage to punk music is that nobody can whistle it. |
Brian Hill wrote:
"exray" wrote in message ... Brian Hill wrote: I don't see why I have to be gouged twice by Ebay and PayPal for offering a conveinant way to pay. Gezz only they can charge for everthing I guess? Like buyers can't read and make up there own mind. It cuts both ways. A normal operating business considers expenses like that as part of doing business. As a customer I would be outraged if I went to a merchant and they charged me extra because I chose some particular form of payment. -BM Bill your one of the brightest guys I've meet online but. Lets just put it this way. I can either have a reserve that covers my cost or I can have no reserve and just state the fees. Either way as with any sold product the cost of doing biz is always past on to the buyer. What form it takes is neither here nor there. So I guess I don't understand the outrage you would have if I'm upfront with you on cost? Thanks... The cost of doing business comes directly out of profits. Thats the way it works for any vendor or merchant. You can't take 100% of the income and insist that the buyer pick up the tab for your business costs. In that light, the manner of presentation DOES matter. What if a buyer sez, well ok-I'll mail a money order and then wants to hit you with HIS costs of doing business like 37c postage and 85c for the money order? You wouldn't think very highly of him as a buyer would you? -Bill |
John Miller wrote:
exray wrote: Can you imagine having to pay for a portion of the roll of cash register tape at the supermarket or them charging you for using the cashier? Where do people get off thinking that these are legitimate things to charge to a buyer? Well... ...you *are* paying for them, in either case. (Where do you suppose the money to pay for the cashiers and cash register tape comes from?) Exactly the point. They are being paid for already as "cost of doing business" so the merchant need not ask you for more. -BM |
In your title or description did you say something like "not zenith
transoceanic", or "not like zenith transoceanic"? If so, that is keyword spaming so that when someone searches on zenith transoceanic they get a hit on your set which is not a zenith T/O, which is pretty sneaky at best. As far as the paypal thing, how would you like it if every time you use your visa or mastercard the merchant adds the credit card percentage he pays to the price of the product. Bet you would really scream. Ebay makes it very plain in their rules about the above infractions so you really have no reason to cry. Why should the merchant be gouged for having a convient way for you to pay? Brian Hill wrote: Ebay is strange. They pulled my auction because I refered to my Hallicrafters World Wide as being like the Zenith TOs. They called it Search manipulation and also I stated in my auction that Pay Pal Pymts must include their transaction fee which is 2.9 percent+ $0.30 USD and they said: Quote: Pay Pal Pymts must include their transaction fee which is 2.9 percent+ $0.30 USD. The above text is a reference to an additional charge for bidders who pay by credit card or a separate payment processing service. This surcharge, which is an added cost to the buyer over and above the final sale price and reasonable shipping and handling costs, is not permitted on eBay. Additional charges that are an added cost to the bidder over and above the final sale price are not permitted by eBay. Currently, the only fees that may be added to the final price of an eBay item are reasonable shipping and handling fees, escrow service fees, and certain currency exchange fees. More information about these fees can be found at the bottom of the eBay listing policies page: I don't see why I have to be gouged twice by Ebay and PayPal for offering a conveinant way to pay. Gezz only they can charge for everthing I guess? Like buyers can't read and make up there own mind. |
"JJ" wrote in message ... In your title or description did you say something like "not zenith transoceanic", or "not like zenith transoceanic"? If so, that is keyword spaming so that when someone searches on zenith transoceanic they get a hit on your set which is not a zenith T/O, which is pretty sneaky at best. No I just said Hallicrafters World Wide Like Zenith TO. I wasn't trying to be sneaky. Its Hallicrafters version of the TO. Hallicrafters are just as poular as Zenith and sell them selves on their own merit. I just stated it because a lot of people like to collect the differant makes of those style radios. I can see how some would use tactics like that though. As far as the paypal thing, how would you like it if every time you use your visa or mastercard the merchant adds the credit card percentage he pays to the price of the product. Bet you would really scream. They do you just don't realize it. They just average out their overhead and reflect it back into the price of their products. Ebay makes it very plain in their rules about the above infractions so you really have no reason to cry. I'm not crying. Just talking and seeing peoples responses. I don't disagree with you guys. If thats how people feel then I'll go with it. Why should the merchant be gouged for having a convient way for you to pay? I agree. That was my point? -- 73 and good DXing. Brian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire! Zumbrota, Southern MN Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/ |
"exray" wrote in message Thanks... The cost of doing business comes directly out of profits. Thats the way it works for any vendor or merchant. You can't take 100% of the income and insist that the buyer pick up the tab for your business costs. In that light, the manner of presentation DOES matter. What if a buyer sez, well ok-I'll mail a money order and then wants to hit you with HIS costs of doing business like 37c postage and 85c for the money order? You wouldn't think very highly of him as a buyer would you? -Bill I'm going with it. I can see it isn't popular. I was just looking at it like this. Lets say a $50 radio okay and the total cost. This is just a quick guess. So the buyer gives me $50 -Pay Pal 2.9 %+.30c=$48.25 - packing materiels $8=$40.25 - Ebay list fees $2.50=$37.75 then final value fee( say -$2)= $35.75 Then time packing and driving to the PO+Gas-$5=$30.75 and the radio is still worth $50 I guess you could charge shipping and handling? Thats withing Ebay guide lines. I never charge for packing materiel and they are expensive or at the least take time and money to find. And Bill you know what it takes to properly pack a radio. So how would you go about handling cost? -- 73 and good DXing. Brian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire! Zumbrota, Southern MN Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/ |
Brian Hill wrote:
"exray" wrote in message Thanks... The cost of doing business comes directly out of profits. Thats the way it works for any vendor or merchant. You can't take 100% of the income and insist that the buyer pick up the tab for your business costs. In that light, the manner of presentation DOES matter. What if a buyer sez, well ok-I'll mail a money order and then wants to hit you with HIS costs of doing business like 37c postage and 85c for the money order? You wouldn't think very highly of him as a buyer would you? -Bill I'm going with it. I can see it isn't popular. I was just looking at it like this. Lets say a $50 radio okay and the total cost. This is just a quick guess. So the buyer gives me $50 -Pay Pal 2.9 %+.30c=$48.25 - packing materiels $8=$40.25 - Ebay list fees $2.50=$37.75 then final value fee( say -$2)= $35.75 Then time packing and driving to the PO+Gas-$5=$30.75 and the radio is still worth $50 That is the chance you take with an auction, it could have gone for $20 or $200. If a item sells for less than you think it is worth, do you think you should be able to make it up in other fees? |
Brian Hill wrote:
No I just said Hallicrafters World Wide Like Zenith TO. I wasn't trying to be sneaky. Its Hallicrafters version of the TO. Hallicrafters are just as poular as Zenith and sell them selves on their own merit. I just stated it because a lot of people like to collect the differant makes of those style radios. I can see how some would use tactics like that though. I don't mean any offense, Brian, but the TO gang are a severe bunch. Any radio nowadays that has a handle on top gets to be a TO clone or companion model just by rights of appearing to be a similar suitcase radio because well, they have a handle on top. I personally have no affinity for radios with handles on top but many do and they can be cutthroat when their favorite is compared to some other 'lesser' radio with a handle on top. As far as the paypal thing, how would you like it Been there already. I figure some wacko pegged you on the quasi-TO thing plus the Paypal issue and some 19 year old kid in San Jose was pressed for a decision and he did what any idiot would do. Relist the thing and up the minimum by 2.90 so as to cover your Pal Pay and hide the word "zenith" well inside the text so the TO guys won't be offended. -BM |
Brian Hill wrote:
"exray" wrote in message Thanks... The cost of doing business comes directly out of profits. I'm going with it. I can see it isn't popular. I was just looking at it like this. Lets say a $50 radio okay and the total cost. This is just a quick guess. So the buyer gives me $50 -Pay Pal 2.9 %+.30c=$48.25 - packing materiels $8=$40.25 - Ebay list fees $2.50=$37.75 then final value fee( say -$2)= $35.75 Then time packing and driving to the PO+Gas-$5=$30.75 and the radio is still worth $50 I guess you could charge shipping and handling? Thats withing Ebay guide lines. I never charge for packing materiel and they are expensive or at the least take time and money to find. And Bill you know what it takes to properly pack a radio. So how would you go about handling cost? Brian, rarely does it take me any less than half an hour to scarf thru my available boxes and figure out the combinations that would permit me to properly pick the ones, or cut down the other ones with a razor knife, to make a nice double boxed scenario. I'm in a town of about 7000 and if it rains here there ain't a decent box to be found for a few days and box-finding could easily become a fulltime job. If I'm lame in the effort is this the buyer's fault? I earn 1000/wk on my real job so is my time searching dumpsters for boxes relevant as an add on charge? Am I on the clock for wages once I sell something on ebay? I could easily trump up 50 dollars of expense like you did on any item I send out even if it were a single tube. Oh, did I mention my old 86 Isuzu doesn't get the best gas mileage to the Post Office? You get the point, I hope. Buyer buys=buyer knows about what shipping will cost. End of story. My ebay costs, bad gas mileage, packing materials or the fact that I'm crippled and have to pay alimony aren't the buyer's problem. Thats "doing business" If I can't make the numbers work then I bail out. Not a problem. Tagging on buyer surcharges ain't gonna float this raft. You say $30.75 to pack and deliver to the PO. Are you hiring? I'll move to Bum****, MN and pack all your stuff and go to the PO for $20/whack giving you a 66% cost saving.....or is that not what you meant? -BM |
JJ wrote: Brian Hill wrote: "exray" wrote in message Thanks... The cost of doing business comes directly out of profits. Thats the way it works for any vendor or merchant. You can't take 100% of the income and insist that the buyer pick up the tab for your business costs. In that light, the manner of presentation DOES matter. What if a buyer sez, well ok-I'll mail a money order and then wants to hit you with HIS costs of doing business like 37c postage and 85c for the money order? You wouldn't think very highly of him as a buyer would you? -Bill I'm going with it. I can see it isn't popular. I was just looking at it like this. Lets say a $50 radio okay and the total cost. This is just a quick guess. So the buyer gives me $50 -Pay Pal 2.9 %+.30c=$48.25 - packing materiels $8=$40.25 - Ebay list fees $2.50=$37.75 then final value fee( say -$2)= $35.75 Then time packing and driving to the PO+Gas-$5=$30.75 and the radio is still worth $50 That is the chance you take with an auction, it could have gone for $20 or $200. If a item sells for less than you think it is worth, do you think you should be able to make it up in other fees? Golly, it breaks me heart to hear how the sellers on ebay can't make money. More things to add in: Cost of electricity to operate the computer. Computer depreciation.... you guys ARE depreciating your computers aren't you? And the way computers depreciate, you lose money. Toilet paper when that no-reserve item sells for so low that you crap yourself. 8^) Printer paper, ink , etc. A couple final thoughts: If you have costs, you factor them into what you are doing, and don't bore the customer with them. I don't want to hear the person I'm buying something whining about the cost of packing material. If ebay is such a profitless venture, bring that 50 dollar radio to a hamfest, and pay the 5 bucks or whatever for the table. Yeah, I know, it costs for the gas, and sandwidges and sodas..... - Mike KB3EIA - |
"exray" wrote in message ... Brian Hill wrote: No I just said Hallicrafters World Wide Like Zenith TO. I wasn't trying to be sneaky. Its Hallicrafters version of the TO. Hallicrafters are just as poular as Zenith and sell them selves on their own merit. I just stated it because a lot of people like to collect the differant makes of those style radios. I can see how some would use tactics like that though. I don't mean any offense, Brian, but the TO gang are a severe bunch. Any radio nowadays that has a handle on top gets to be a TO clone or companion model just by rights of appearing to be a similar suitcase radio because well, they have a handle on top. I personally have no affinity for radios with handles on top but many do and they can be cutthroat when their favorite is compared to some other 'lesser' radio with a handle on top. As far as the paypal thing, how would you like it Been there already. I figure some wacko pegged you on the quasi-TO thing plus the Paypal issue and some 19 year old kid in San Jose was pressed for a decision and he did what any idiot would do. Relist the thing and up the minimum by 2.90 so as to cover your Pal Pay and hide the word "zenith" well inside the text so the TO guys won't be offended. -BM Dito |
"exray" wrote in message You say $30.75 to pack and deliver to the PO. Are you hiring? I'll move to Bum****, MN and pack all your stuff and go to the PO for $20/whack giving you a 66% cost saving.....or is that not what you meant? -BM LOL! is all I can say. 73 |
Brian Hill wrote: I was just looking at it like this. Lets say a $50 radio okay and the total cost. This is just a quick guess. So the buyer gives me $50 -Pay Pal 2.9 %+.30c=$48.25 - packing materiels $8=$40.25 - Ebay list fees $2.50=$37.75 then final value fee( say -$2)= $35.75 Then time packing and driving to the PO+Gas-$5=$30.75 and the radio is still worth $50 Please don't take this as a rant: I think you need to start considering PayPal a "value added" service. They add value to your item. In my (very non-scientific) research (I've been on ebay since early 96, when they were still called AuctionWeb) I truly think they add more than enough value to pay for the service. The radio you note above at a $50 sales price might only bring $40 if you don't have that Paypal logo on your auction. I know I will NOT bid on an item if the seller doesn't take Paypal (unless it's rare and I really really want it). I know there are lots and lots of people that feel the same way. I buy and sell quite a bit on ebay, and I truly believe the value of the paypal logo far outweighs the cost. Good luck and 73, Dave -- David Ragsdale San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 |
"exray" wrote in message ... You say $30.75 to pack and deliver to the PO. Are you hiring? I'll move to Bum****, MN and pack all your stuff and go to the PO for $20/whack giving you a 66% cost saving.....or is that not what you meant? -BM read carefully: $5 for delivery then final value fee( say -$2)= $35.75 Then time packing and driving to the PO + Gas - $5 = $30.75 $35 - 5 = $30 -- Steve N, K,9;d, c. i My email has no u's. |
On Sun, 30 May 2004 12:22:36 -0600, JJ
wrote: In your title or description did you say something like "not zenith transoceanic", or "not like zenith transoceanic"? If so, that is keyword spaming so that when someone searches on zenith transoceanic they get a hit on your set which is not a zenith T/O, which is pretty sneaky at best. As far as the paypal thing, how would you like it if every time you use your visa or mastercard the merchant adds the credit card percentage he pays to the price of the product. Actually they used to. Then the CC companies forbade it in their merchant contracts -- everyone had to be offered the same price so the card companies wouldn't be at a perceived price disadvantage. Hence, in covering his CC costs, the merchants collected frpom everyone regardless. For a while, some gas stations offered a discounted cash price, but that didn't last long either. I do notice that Exxon stations in California still manage to add on a fifty or seventy-five cent surcharge for non-cash purchases. No idea what the legal status of that one is. Bet you would really scream. Ebay makes it very plain in their rules about the above infractions so you really have no reason to cry. Why should the merchant be gouged for having a convient way for you to pay? |
"exray" wrote in message ... Exactly the point. They are being paid for already as "cost of doing business" so the merchant need not ask you for more. I have the right to refuse PayPal due to their charges. If someone INSISTS then I have the right to refuse their business or ask for reimbursement of the charges. I ran a substantial mail order business and some people wanted to come and pick up their orders. Not only did I not charge them shipping, but I gave them a 5% discount because they were not using our shipping "resources" which were normally built into the product price. My objection is that PayPal/eBay wants to control my freedom of speech by telling me what I can and cannot say. I prefer full disclosure and let the buyer make their own decision. Of course, this hurts them as then everyone sees that they raise the cost of doing business (regardless of the merits of their service). |
Brian Hill wrote:
I'm going with it. I can see it isn't popular. I was just looking at it like this. Lets say a $50 radio okay and the total cost. This is just a quick guess. So the buyer gives me $50 -Pay Pal 2.9 %+.30c=$48.25 - packing materiels $8=$40.25 - Ebay list fees $2.50=$37.75 then final value fee( say -$2)= $35.75 Then time packing and driving to the PO+Gas-$5=$30.75 and the radio is still worth $50 I guess you could charge shipping and handling? Thats withing Ebay guide lines. I never charge for packing materiel and they are expensive or at the least take time and money to find. And Bill you know what it takes to properly pack a radio. So how would you go about handling cost? The bidder thought it was worth $50 plus P&P. That's what he offered and what you accepted. The fact you live miles from the PO and drive a gas guzzler and have to pay E-bay, PayPal & co. and are not much good a scrounging packing is not the buyers problem. If you think the radio or whatever is not worth selling at $50 (you get $30) then you should have put a higher reserve on it. E-bay rules are clear and fair. You know what you're getting into. If you don't want to sell at the price bid then don't offer to. Your error is in thinking that you are going to make a profit of the final bid price. For sure the buyer didn't bid you an extra $20 for fees and stuff. And don't tell us you never had an item go 2 or 3 times what you thought you'd get. Would you offer the buyer a refund because of that? Thought not. The buyer pays, E-bay gets some, PayPal gets some, USPS gets some, IRS gets some, you get what's left. That's how it works. You could certainly add something for packing and handling but you should really put that up-front in the item description. You know in advance what it will cost you to pack. Then add shipping at cost. Something like "Packing and Handling $10.00. Shipping at cost by USPS/UPS/etc." You really have to let the buyer know what he's getting into and stick to E-bay's rules is all. best Andy, M1EBV |
exray wrote in message ...
Brian Hill wrote: I don't see why I have to be gouged twice by Ebay and PayPal for offering a conveinant way to pay. Gezz only they can charge for everthing I guess? Like buyers can't read and make up there own mind. It cuts both ways. A normal operating business considers expenses like that as part of doing business. As a customer I would be outraged if I went to a merchant and they charged me extra because I chose some particular form of payment. -BM They did it at the gas pumps... you would get a discount if you paid by cash. |
"Brian Hill" wrote in message ...
No I just said Hallicrafters World Wide Like Zenith TO. I wasn't trying to be sneaky. Its Hallicrafters version of the TO. Hallicrafters are just as poular as Zenith and sell them selves on their own merit. I just stated it because a lot of people like to collect the differant makes of those style radios. I can see how some would use tactics like that though. Don't put it in your title. Put it in your description. When you put it in your title, and some whiny do-gooder or, someone selling the same item who hates your competition sees it, the can report it as keyword spamming, and ebay will pull your ad. It's important to realize that Ebay never finds these on their own, they only become aware of them when some loser reports them. Then they pull them. |
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And is this really a problem? Is there any skin off you nose? Why does this concern you? I do this all the time because if I list a radio widget under it's proper area maybe I'll miss half the people looking for a radio widget. I list under old radio antique and any other name that would be proper. More internet cops we don't need and I certainly don't need you acting like one. Let eBay police the real crooks. The people that steal money from people by misrepresentation or simply not sending a paid for item. Lets not worry about the little things but always give negative feedbacks for any non payer. Give good feedback where it's due also. Chill!... I'm on your side, bub! How am *I* acting like an Internet cop? Just curious (Crumb) wrote in message om... "Brian Hill" wrote in message ... No I just said Hallicrafters World Wide Like Zenith TO. I wasn't trying to be sneaky. Its Hallicrafters version of the TO. Hallicrafters are just as poular as Zenith and sell them selves on their own merit. I just stated it because a lot of people like to collect the differant makes of those style radios. I can see how some would use tactics like that though. Don't put it in your title. Put it in your description. When you put it in your title, and some whiny do-gooder or, someone selling the same item who hates your competition sees it, the can report it as keyword spamming, and ebay will pull your ad. It's important to realize that Ebay never finds these on their own, they only become aware of them when some loser reports them. Then they pull them. |
Sorry, I did get a little carried away and you certainly weren't
acting like an internet cop. I just get a little passionate about these things. Too many people worried that I may bend the exact meaning of a poorly written rule. Again, I do apoligize to you and sincerely regret my comments. (Crumb) wrote in message . com... (no_spam_here) wrote in message . com... And is this really a problem? Is there any skin off you nose? Why does this concern you? I do this all the time because if I list a radio widget under it's proper area maybe I'll miss half the people looking for a radio widget. I list under old radio antique and any other name that would be proper. More internet cops we don't need and I certainly don't need you acting like one. Let eBay police the real crooks. The people that steal money from people by misrepresentation or simply not sending a paid for item. Lets not worry about the little things but always give negative feedbacks for any non payer. Give good feedback where it's due also. Chill!... I'm on your side, bub! How am *I* acting like an Internet cop? Just curious (Crumb) wrote in message om... "Brian Hill" wrote in message ... No I just said Hallicrafters World Wide Like Zenith TO. I wasn't trying to be sneaky. Its Hallicrafters version of the TO. Hallicrafters are just as poular as Zenith and sell them selves on their own merit. I just stated it because a lot of people like to collect the differant makes of those style radios. I can see how some would use tactics like that though. Don't put it in your title. Put it in your description. When you put it in your title, and some whiny do-gooder or, someone selling the same item who hates your competition sees it, the can report it as keyword spamming, and ebay will pull your ad. It's important to realize that Ebay never finds these on their own, they only become aware of them when some loser reports them. Then they pull them. |
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