Old Callsign was W10XEG ???
 

Had an inquiry that sed his Dad's call was W10XEG

Before 1946 -- I think there were just call areas one thru nine.

Sometime around 1946, the 10th call area was established -- the zero
district, but was this ever the W10 area ??

Also the X in the suffix -- I thought was for experimental stations ???

Any old timers recall ??

Thanks

Post any answers here please

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Keyboard In The Noise wrote:
Had an inquiry that sed his Dad's call was W10XEG

Before 1946 -- I think there were just call areas one thru nine.

Sometime around 1946, the 10th call area was established -- the zero
district, but was this ever the W10 area ??

No.

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Bill Orr had a column in either Ham Radio or CQ with a W10 card. They are
rare, but were issued for some special purpose. I think it may have been
pre war. My memory is fuzzy, but it may have been for shipboard use.

X calls were often issued for experimental stations.

73, Colin K7FM




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"COLIN LAMB" ) writes:
Bill Orr had a column in either Ham Radio or CQ with a W10 card. They are
rare, but were issued for some special purpose. I think it may have been
pre war. My memory is fuzzy, but it may have been for shipboard use.

X calls were often issued for experimental stations.

73, Colin K7FM

I wondered if it was a WWII call for some reason. Obviously there was
no ham radio, but wasn't there some CD or emergency service that was
active during WWII, on the VHF bands? I can't say I've ever seen mention
of a W10 callsign, but perhaps it was during that period?

Michael VE2BVW

In the wartime QSTs, they talk about the WERS (War Emergency Radio
Service ?)radio service. It appears that hams in Civil Defense were
involved. They had callsigns akin to what you've related.

Keyboard In The Noise wrote:
Had an inquiry that sed his Dad's call was W10XEG

Before 1946 -- I think there were just call areas one thru nine.

Sometime around 1946, the 10th call area was established -- the zero
district, but was this ever the W10 area ??

Also the X in the suffix -- I thought was for experimental stations ???

Any old timers recall ??

Thanks

Post any answers here please

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The history of the WWII -- War Emergency Radio Service (WERS) can be found
at URL:
http://ac6v.com/history.htm

Search for WERS, but no mention of the calls used

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In the wartime QSTs, they talk about the WERS (War Emergency Radio
Service ?)radio service. It appears that hams in Civil Defense were
involved. They had callsigns akin to what you've related.

Keyboard In The Noise wrote:
Had an inquiry that sed his Dad's call was W10XEG

Before 1946 -- I think there were just call areas one thru nine.

Sometime around 1946, the 10th call area was established -- the zero
district, but was this ever the W10 area ??

Also the X in the suffix -- I thought was for experimental stations ???

Any old timers recall ??

Thanks

Post any answers here please

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Michael posted:

"COLIN LAMB" ) writes:
Bill Orr had a column in either Ham Radio or CQ with a W10 card. They are
rare, but were issued for some special purpose. I think it may have been
pre war. My memory is fuzzy, but it may have been for shipboard use.

X calls were often issued for experimental stations.

73, Colin K7FM

I wondered if it was a WWII call for some reason. Obviously there was
no ham radio, but wasn't there some CD or emergency service that was
active during WWII, on the VHF bands? I can't say I've ever seen mention
of a W10 callsign, but perhaps it was during that period?


It appears to me to be a non-ham station license. It could be for a commercial
base station or repeater, or almost any experimenal purpose.

Don

A further search of some 40's QSTs reveals that WERS NCS stations appear
to have 4-letter calls, such as WJUY and subordinates would be WJUY-1,
2, 10, 11, ad infinitum. These calls don't look like the one originally
posted, however.... Dunno?

Dbowey wrote:
Michael posted:

"COLIN LAMB" ) writes:

Bill Orr had a column in either Ham Radio or CQ with a W10 card. They are
rare, but were issued for some special purpose. I think it may have been
pre war. My memory is fuzzy, but it may have been for shipboard use.

X calls were often issued for experimental stations.

73, Colin K7FM


I wondered if it was a WWII call for some reason. Obviously there was
no ham radio, but wasn't there some CD or emergency service that was
active during WWII, on the VHF bands? I can't say I've ever seen mention
of a W10 callsign, but perhaps it was during that period?


It appears to me to be a non-ham station license. It could be for a commercial
base station or repeater, or almost any experimenal purpose.

Don

The originator of the W10XEG question supplies the following new info:
Actually, the W10 call is most likely a commercial call. There were several
'repeaters' that were used very early in the establishment of the radio, and
then commercial television networks - it may be one of those. The X is for
experimental, no doubt. My Dad was very active with RCA very early on. The
first experimental TV signals in NYC were on 21 MHz, broadcast from the
Empire State Bldg - my Dad was chief engineer for the transmitter. One of
the many experimental transmitters he put on the air was W10XEG - I just
have no data about it at all.


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On 2004-06-08 19:44:50 -0500, "Keyboard In The Noise" said:

Had an inquiry that sed his Dad's call was W10XEG

Before 1946 -- I think there were just call areas one thru nine.

Sometime around 1946, the 10th call area was established -- the zero
district, but was this ever the W10 area ??

Also the X in the suffix -- I thought was for experimental stations ???

Any old timers recall ??

Thanks

Post any answers here please


There were never any 1X4 callsigns issued. If the first letter of the
suffix started with X, then it was an experimental station. I think
this ended in the 50s. Early TV stations in the 30s had calls like
W2XGE and so on. I always thought it was odd to have an amateur type
call attached to experimental commercial stations.

I think the 10th call area (0) started in the late 40s. If you were in
the new 10th district but had a W9 call, you received a W0 call with
the same suffic as your W9 call had.

Hope this helps,

73
George
K3UD

Thanks to all who answered -- seems to narrow down to an experimental
commercial call sign as the person that inquired sed his Dad had the call
and was also a station engineer at an early NY TV station.

Coincidently he was a Ham also maybe held 2NJ back in the 20's

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On 2004-06-08 19:44:50 -0500, "Keyboard In The Noise" said:

Had an inquiry that sed his Dad's call was W10XEG

Before 1946 -- I think there were just call areas one thru nine.

Sometime around 1946, the 10th call area was established -- the zero
district, but was this ever the W10 area ??

Also the X in the suffix -- I thought was for experimental stations ???

Any old timers recall ??

Thanks

Post any answers here please


There were never any 1X4 callsigns issued. If the first letter of the
suffix started with X, then it was an experimental station. I think
this ended in the 50s. Early TV stations in the 30s had calls like
W2XGE and so on. I always thought it was odd to have an amateur type
call attached to experimental commercial stations.

I think the 10th call area (0) started in the late 40s. If you were in
the new 10th district but had a W9 call, you received a W0 call with
the same suffic as your W9 call had.

Hope this helps,

73
George
K3UD

Had this report regarding 2 digit callsigns

However, when ITU held their plenipot meeting here in 1998, we were
assigned the special-event calls N98ITU and W98ITU. Those are the only
examples I know which included two numeric characters in a US amateur
callsign.


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Keyboard In The Noise

There were never any 1X4 callsigns issued. If the first letter of the
suffix started with X, then it was an experimental station. I think
this ended in the 50s. Early TV stations in the 30s had calls like
W2XGE and so on. I always thought it was odd to have an amateur type
call attached to experimental commercial stations.

I think the 10th call area (0) started in the late 40s. If you were in
the new 10th district but had a W9 call, you received a W0 call with
the same suffic as your W9 call had.

Hope this helps,

73
George
K3UD

In article 2004061011544816807%K3UD@yahoonet, K3UD wrote:
On 2004-06-08 19:44:50 -0500, "Keyboard In The Noise" said:

Had an inquiry that sed his Dad's call was W10XEG

Before 1946 -- I think there were just call areas one thru nine.

Sometime around 1946, the 10th call area was established -- the zero
district, but was this ever the W10 area ??

Also the X in the suffix -- I thought was for experimental stations ???

Any old timers recall ??

Thanks

Post any answers here please


There were never any 1X4 callsigns issued. If the first letter of the
suffix started with X, then it was an experimental station. I think
this ended in the 50s. Early TV stations in the 30s had calls like
W2XGE and so on. I always thought it was odd to have an amateur type
call attached to experimental commercial stations.

HAH! Look up the history of channel 5, Ames Ia. Early on, Iowa State
University used W0YI, for their television station, which _is_ the callsign
for the amateur radio facility there. The eventual commercial callsign WOI
is a direct derivative of that amateur radio callsign.

I think the 10th call area (0) started in the late 40s. If you were in
the new 10th district but had a W9 call, you received a W0 call with
the same suffic as your W9 call had.

W0YI is considered a 1x2 call

You are correct at one time the Y suffix was for schools colleges and
universities -- some are still extant today

See Stanford ARC W6YX (1922) is Stanford,

W9YB (1920) is Purdue

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HAH! Look up the history of channel 5, Ames Ia. Early on, Iowa State
University used W0YI, for their television station, which _is_ the
callsign
for the amateur radio facility there. The eventual commercial callsign
WOI
is a direct derivative of that amateur radio callsign.

"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote:
Coincidently he was a Ham also maybe held 2NJ back in the 20's

Might that be Charles Sanders, 186-05 Man Gin Ave, St. Albans, L.I., N.Y. ?

Just a shot...that's W2NJ from my 1934 Callbook.

K3HVG wrote:

A further search of some 40's QSTs reveals that WERS NCS stations appear
to have 4-letter calls, such as WJUY and subordinates would be WJUY-1,
2, 10, 11, ad infinitum. These calls don't look like the one originally
posted, however.... Dunno?

Special issued calls maybe? Nothing like that in my 47 Callbook.

"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote:
You are correct at one time the Y suffix was for schools colleges and
universities -- some are still extant today

Virtually every Y call in my 1934 Callbook is a school. But they got away from
that by the 1947 Callbook where the vast majority is not.

See Stanford ARC W6YX (1922) is Stanford,

In 1934 W6YX is listed as "same QRA as W6FBU". W6FBU is listed to James M Sharp
Jr. at Stanford Eng. W6FBU then also lists W6DMY. W6DMY lists the home address
of Sharp, apparently the Stanford station trustee. Probably more than you wanted
to know, but I found it interesting... ;)

2NJ type calls up to 1928
With the advent of the Radio Act of 1912, the first Amateur Radio License is
issued. The call letters assigned to the United States were NAA -NZZ, WAA -
WZZ, and KDA to KZZ (KAA-KCZ was assigned to Germany and was not given to
the United States until 1929). The somewhat puzzling Amateur calls like 1AW,
6OI, 2MN, etc. is explained by the fact that Amateur stations did not
qualify for international call signs. At that time, the USA was divided into
nine Radio Districts so Amateurs were granted calls consisting of their
district number followed by letters, the first letter was from A through W,
for example, 1AW, 1TS. Recognition was given to certain land stations, X as
the first letter for Experimental licenses (e.g. 1XE), Y for School licenses
(e.g. 9YY), and Z for Special Amateur licenses (e.g. 8ZZ). 1x3 calls (like
1AAA) was issued to Amateurs beginning in 1914. For a list of early X, Y, Z
callsign issues -- see U.S. Special Land Stations: 1913-1921.4 It was not
until October 1, 1928, that the W and K prefixes were assigned to Amateurs.


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"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote:
Coincidently he was a Ham also maybe held 2NJ back in the 20's

Might that be Charles Sanders, 186-05 Man Gin Ave, St. Albans, L.I., N.Y.
?

Just a shot...that's W2NJ from my 1934 Callbook.

After VJ Day in 1945, hams were given authorization to begin operating again
on the 2 1/2 meter band, on a shared basis with WERS. WERS was terminated in
mid-November. By the 15th of that month, the FCC released bands at 10, 5,
and 2 meters for amateur use. The post-war era of amateur radio had
commenced.

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K3HVG wrote:

A further search of some 40's QSTs reveals that WERS NCS stations appear
to have 4-letter calls, such as WJUY and subordinates would be WJUY-1,
2, 10, 11, ad infinitum. These calls don't look like the one originally
posted, however.... Dunno?

Special issued calls maybe? Nothing like that in my 47 Callbook.

Ah very good and interesting. Thanks
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"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote:
You are correct at one time the Y suffix was for schools colleges and
universities -- some are still extant today

Virtually every Y call in my 1934 Callbook is a school. But they got away
from
that by the 1947 Callbook where the vast majority is not.

See Stanford ARC W6YX (1922) is Stanford,

In 1934 W6YX is listed as "same QRA as W6FBU". W6FBU is listed to James M
Sharp
Jr. at Stanford Eng. W6FBU then also lists W6DMY. W6DMY lists the home
address
of Sharp, apparently the Stanford station trustee. Probably more than you
wanted
to know, but I found it interesting... ;)

Keyboard In The Noise wrote:

Thanks to all who answered -- seems to narrow down to an experimental
commercial call sign as the person that inquired sed his Dad had the call
and was also a station engineer at an early NY TV station.

Coincidently he was a Ham also maybe held 2NJ back in the 20's

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On 2004-06-08 19:44:50 -0500, "Keyboard In The Noise" said:


Had an inquiry that sed his Dad's call was W10XEG

Before 1946 -- I think there were just call areas one thru nine.

Sometime around 1946, the 10th call area was established -- the zero
district, but was this ever the W10 area ??

Also the X in the suffix -- I thought was for experimental stations ???

Any old timers recall ??

Thanks

Post any answers here please


There were never any 1X4 callsigns issued. If the first letter of the
suffix started with X, then it was an experimental station. I think
this ended in the 50s. Early TV stations in the 30s had calls like
W2XGE and so on. I always thought it was odd to have an amateur type
call attached to experimental commercial stations.

I think the 10th call area (0) started in the late 40s. If you were in
the new 10th district but had a W9 call, you received a W0 call with
the same suffic as your W9 call had.

Hope this helps,

73
George
K3UD

Just to throw some more confusion into the fray, in the 1937 April-May
issue of National Radio News, a magazine published by National Radio
Institute, a subscriber writes, "I am sending you a station card from
amateur station W21OR, owned by graduate King J. Fothergill. It will be
a pleasure to see my call letters appear in the ever-growing list of
N.R.I. Ham stations".
Was this a misprint? Should it have been W2IOR? He was from NY.
Inquiring minds want to know.

JJ wrote:

Just to throw some more confusion into the fray, in the 1937 April-May
issue of National Radio News, a magazine published by National Radio
Institute, a subscriber writes, "I am sending you a station card from
amateur station W21OR, owned by graduate King J. Fothergill. It will be
a pleasure to see my call letters appear in the ever-growing list of
N.R.I. Ham stations".
Was this a misprint? Should it have been W2IOR? He was from NY.
Inquiring minds want to know.

It's a misprint. Fothergill was W2IOR in Bellerose NY.

In article ,
Aaron Jones wrote:
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:

HAH! Look up the history of channel 5, Ames Ia. Early on, Iowa State
University used W0YI, for their television station, which _is_ the callsign
for the amateur radio facility there. The eventual commercial callsign WOI
is a direct derivative of that amateur radio callsign.

I'm not sure how "early on" you mean but from my 1934 Callbook you'll notice
it's W9YI not W0YI since there was no tenth district:

I meant 'early in their history of TV Broadcasting'. More clear? grin

[Also, some ignorance on my part. "District 10" predates _me_, by most of
a decade. I didn't know it was a 'Johnny-come-lately' grin ]

Considering when the TV station had their '50 year of broadcasting'
celebration, they would have to have been doing a fair bit of the early work
under the W9YI call-sign.

I think they were the 1st operating TV station in the state. (What is now
WOW-TV in Omaha seems to have been on the air around 15 months earlier.)

WOI was a very unusual operation. It went from early experimental to a
full-blown 'for profit' _commercial_ station (it was the ABC network affiliate
by the late Fifties, probably earlier), owned and operated by a State
University. The students that were _good_enough_ would manage to get jobs
(_real_ jobs, not work-study, or an 'internship) there, as students. Then
they got a _real_ education, in addition to what was taught in the classroom.
Actually, the station, and the teaching department got along quite well.
*Everybody* came out of that program with a solid understanding of 'real world'
operations.


The Campus Radio Club pre-dates experimental television, by a fair
number of years. It _is_ an engineering school, after all. grin

W9YI-Iowa State College, Edd R. McKee, 2119 Country Club Blvd., Ames Iowa.

However by my 1947 Callbook the switch to W0YI had been made and as another
poster pointed out they kept the same suffix:

W0YI-Campus R. C., Eng Annex, Iowa St. Coll. Ames Iowa


Yup. R.C. is the "Radio Club". Still using the same callsign.

The TV station got their own license after the tenth district was created,
They were broadcasting TV under the W0YI call for a non-trivial period. They
wanted to maintain, as much as possible, the 'name recognition' they'd built
up -- so they looked at both derivatives of W0YI -- WOY, and WOI -- and
settled on the latter, for a number of (not terribly compelling :) reasons.

In article a92yc.33384$tI2.32808@fed1read07,
Keyboard In The Noise Don't bother wrote:
W0YI is considered a 1x2 call

Yup, there are a a fair bunch of those out in Central Iowa. The "Amateur
Radio Society" in Des Moines has W0AK (one of the few I still remember,
having been away from that locale for 25 years). There was one guy out
there that got freakishly lucky with his initial callsign assignment, and
got a 1x3 where the suffix was his initials. In the days before you could
request a particular callsign, 'if available'.


You are correct at one time the Y suffix was for schools colleges and
universities -- some are still extant today

I dunno about _that_. grin

I used to know callsigns for a grand total of _two_ University
ham stations. Iowa State, and Northwestern University (W9BGX).
Not enough data to draw any intelligent conclusions from. grin


Just did a little rummaging Here's some other 1x2 'Y' university
'Y' callsigns:

University of Wisconsin W9YT
University of Illinois Synton Amateur Radio Club W9YH
University of Minnesota W0YC


And, last but not least, a non-Y one that _has_ to be way up on the list of
'confusing' call-signs.

University of Iowa Amateur Radio Club W0IO

Keyboard In The Noise wrote:
Had an inquiry that sed his Dad's call was W10XEG

Before 1946 -- I think there were just call areas one thru nine.

Sometime around 1946, the 10th call area was established -- the zero
district, but was this ever the W10 area ??

Also the X in the suffix -- I thought was for experimental stations ???

Any old timers recall ??

Thanks

Post any answers here please

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Keyboard In The Noise



Thta sounds like an experimental station. They did have some odd calls
in those days. I have a copy of a license my Dad had in 1932 authorizing
portable operation at several locations. The Call assigned was W2ZZBZ !

John W2AGN

Keyboard In The Noise wrote:
Had an inquiry that sed his Dad's call was W10XEG

Before 1946 -- I think there were just call areas one thru nine.

Sometime around 1946, the 10th call area was established -- the zero
district, but was this ever the W10 area ??

Also the X in the suffix -- I thought was for experimental stations ???

Any old timers recall ??

Thanks

Post any answers here please

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Thta sounds like an experimental station. They did have some odd calls
in those days. I have a copy of a license my Dad had in 1932 authorizing
portable operation at several locations. The Call assigned was W2ZZBZ !

John W2AGN

Yep john we found a bunch of expermental TV stations in late 20's and 30's
with W#Xxx

See URL:
http://www.earlytelevision.org/prewarstations.html

and

http://members.aol.com/jeff570/1930tv.html

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Keyboard In The Noise wrote:
Had an inquiry that sed his Dad's call was W10XEG

Before 1946 -- I think there were just call areas one thru nine.

Sometime around 1946, the 10th call area was established -- the zero
district, but was this ever the W10 area ??

Also the X in the suffix -- I thought was for experimental stations ???

Any old timers recall ??

Thanks

Post any answers here please

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Keyboard In The Noise



Thta sounds like an experimental station. They did have some odd calls
in those days. I have a copy of a license my Dad had in 1932 authorizing
portable operation at several locations. The Call assigned was W2ZZBZ !

John W2AGN