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Henry Kolesnik August 29th 04 05:14 PM

Houston surplus parts store ?
 
Are there any neat surplus electronics parts, eqpt, etc stores left in and
around Houston that I should check out on my this week?
tnx

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73
Hank WD5JFR



Moe August 29th 04 05:38 PM

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EPO (eletronic parts outlet)

110 E Medical Center Blvd
Webster, TX 77598-430
out in Clear Lake area near NASA



"Henry Kolesnik" wrote in message
om...
Are there any neat surplus electronics parts, eqpt, etc stores left in and
around Houston that I should check out on my this week?
tnx

--
73
Hank WD5JFR







David August 29th 04 05:44 PM

Hank-
Alas, Houston has become a wasteland for electronics scrounging from what
I've been able to tell.
The EPO outlets used to have a reasonable amount of miltary and commercial
surplus, but they've become commercialized towards computers, and the other
garden variety electronics stores only carry the traditional stuff. Fry's
is pretty cool, but obviously no surplus. Madison Electronics used to be
the cats meow, but that was many years ago.

I assume you've heard of dallas' 1st Saturday sale, which occurs this coming
weekend.
http://www.firstsaturday.com/ it's become computer-centric, but most of the
electronics stuff (i.e. ham) start setting up around 7:00AM in the back
area.

Also Ft Worth has Nortex
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/nortex.htm
Which is waay cool to browse, but don't expect to find any incredible finds
or deals.

Too bad Houston isn't more like Dallas wrt surplus goodies.

regards
-dave
W5OC



"Henry Kolesnik" wrote in message
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Are there any neat surplus electronics parts, eqpt, etc stores left in and
around Houston that I should check out on my this week?
tnx

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73
Hank WD5JFR





Darrell August 29th 04 07:38 PM

Ace Electronics, 3210 Antoine Dr. Houston, Texas 77092. Phone:713-688-8114

A little on the expensive side in my opinion, but loaded with all sorts of
parts and hardware.

Darrell, WA5VGO






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Are there any neat surplus electronics parts, eqpt, etc stores left in
and around Houston that I should check out on my this week?
tnx



Jimmie Stewart August 29th 04 09:49 PM

Hank what are you looking for.and what dates are you hear.
There are two EPO in Houton.
The main one and first one closer to the center of Houston.
http://www.epo-houston.com/

jimmie stewart

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Are there any neat surplus electronics parts, eqpt, etc stores left in and
around Houston that I should check out on my this week?
tnx

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73
Hank WD5JFR




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Henry Kolesnik August 30th 04 03:21 AM

I guess I should have mentioned that I know about the 2 EPOs and in the past
I've been at Madison. I'll be there Tuesday, leaving Tulsa monday morning.
Just looking for neat stuff.

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73
Hank WD5JFR

"Jimmie Stewart" wrote in message
...
Hank what are you looking for.and what dates are you hear.
There are two EPO in Houton.
The main one and first one closer to the center of Houston.
http://www.epo-houston.com/

jimmie stewart

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and
around Houston that I should check out on my this week?
tnx

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Hank WD5JFR




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truegridtz August 30th 04 05:16 AM

Hey Henry:

I was told last week that in Missouri City is Charlie's Airwaves. He sells
renovated antique radios and he supposedly has some interesting surplus. If
I recall correctly Missouri City is South of Houston on I59, about 15-20
minutes. If I can find a map I will try to find out if this is correct and
post it.

His card I have here says C.B.s, Antennas, Stereos, Microwaves, TVs,
Satellites, RV parts, Accessories.

2547 Cartwright Rd.
Missouri City, Texas
281-499-5214

There is also O&E Electronics on Shephard about 3 blocks south of the North
Loop 610.

713-880-3055

This place is a major mess, but he does have a lot of odds and ends. He has
a large rack of used test gear. Also has a lot of NOS tubes, but a bit
pricey. He has tons of Sam's for sale. They mostly have parts for
repairing old TVs and VCRs, etc. Lots of weird ICs.

Vintage Sounds sells antique radios and phonographs. They are the HVRA
crowd. Lots of interesting pieces, all restored. Also have lots of tubes,
some books, records, very few parts except parts for acoustic phonographs.
They have horns, reproducers, knobs, etc. 713-468-4911. In the Hart
Antique Center on Fondren about 1/4 mile south of Westheimer. On the right
when heading south. Open till 6, 7 days.

The other EPO is right down the road from Vintage Sounds, on Fondren. Just
keep heading south past the elementary school, it is on the left about
another mile. Go through the light at Richmond when heading further south
on Fondren.

The Houston traffic is much easier before 2pm. Happy Hunting, Mark


"Henry Kolesnik" wrote in message
. com...
I guess I should have mentioned that I know about the 2 EPOs and in the

past
I've been at Madison. I'll be there Tuesday, leaving Tulsa monday

morning.
Just looking for neat stuff.

--
73
Hank WD5JFR

"Jimmie Stewart" wrote in message
...
Hank what are you looking for.and what dates are you hear.
There are two EPO in Houton.
The main one and first one closer to the center of Houston.
http://www.epo-houston.com/

jimmie stewart

what a
Henry Kolesnik wrote in message
om...
Are there any neat surplus electronics parts, eqpt, etc stores left in

and
around Houston that I should check out on my this week?
tnx

--
73
Hank WD5JFR




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truegridtz August 30th 04 06:42 AM

HK: To get to Missouri City go south on 59 and
exit Texas Hwy 6 (a few miles outside city limit). Turn left on 6 and go a
few miles. This map shows that Cartwright intersects Texas 6 as Road 3345.
Turn left on 3345. If you get to Road 1092 you've gone too far so do a 180
and go back to 3345. You may already know where it is. Good Luck MH
"Henry Kolesnik" wrote in message
om...
Are there any neat surplus electronics parts, eqpt, etc stores left in and
around Houston that I should check out on my this week?
tnx

--
73
Hank WD5JFR







Airy R. Bean August 30th 04 11:23 AM

This will become an increasing problem in Yerp when the
WEE Waste directive takes hold - no company will be able to
dispose of old electronic eqpt other than through a licensed
waste operator, who must in his turn be able to show that he
has passed it on to similarly licensed people.

Scrap electronics will become a thing of the past for the enthusiast.

"David" wrote in message
...
Alas, Houston has become a wasteland for electronics scrounging from what
I've been able to tell.




truegridtz August 31st 04 10:59 AM


"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
This will become an increasing problem in Yerp when the
WEE Waste directive takes hold - no company will be able to
dispose of old electronic eqpt other than through a licensed
waste operator, who must in his turn be able to show that he
has passed it on to similarly licensed people.

Scrap electronics will become a thing of the past for the enthusiast.



This from a summary of the WEE:

"The Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment Directive (WEEE) aims to
minimise the impacts of electrical and electronic equipment on the
environment during their life times and when they become waste. It applies
to a huge spectrum of products. It encourages and sets criteria for the
collection, treatment, recycling and recovery of waste electrical and
electronic equipment. It makes producers responsible for financing most of
these activities (producer responsibility). Private householders are to be
able to return WEEE without charge."

Sounds like they are concerned with the same mess we have here with
computers and cells phones ending up in the dump.

Other WEEE info indicated that they are mainly concerned with dangerous
chemicles in batteries, etc. It does sound like the inspection process
would drive up the price of everything.

If they are trying to minimize the buildup of electronic waste as disposal
sites they would probably encourge surplus dealers to take what they could
sell. There is a limit to how much the dealers could pay for it. MH



"David" wrote in message
...
Alas, Houston has become a wasteland for electronics scrounging from

what
I've been able to tell.






DJboutit September 1st 04 01:29 AM

Charlie's Airwaves is over pirced on almost every thing. Nice place to go
and look & repair prices are not that bad. I remeber when the EPO Houston
use to sell alot more surplus stuff that was like 3 years ago. Now the only
surpul stuff they have is some computer stuff batteries power supplys and
generators. I like the epo back in the day not it is just good to go & look
you might find something you need. I am also looking for a good surplus
electronic store within about 50 or so miles of Houston anybody know of any
good ones.



DJboutit September 1st 04 01:29 AM

Charlie's Airwaves is over pirced on almost every thing. Nice place to go
and look & repair prices are not that bad. I remeber when the EPO Houston
use to sell alot more surplus stuff that was like 3 years ago. Now the only
surpul stuff they have is some computer stuff batteries power supplys and
generators. I like the epo back in the day not it is just good to go & look
you might find something you need. I am also looking for a good surplus
electronic store within about 50 or so miles of Houston anybody know of any
good ones.




DJboutit September 1st 04 01:30 AM

Charlie's Airwaves is over pirced on almost every thing. Nice place to go
and look & repair prices are not that bad. I remeber when the EPO Houston
use to sell alot more surplus stuff that was like 3 years ago. Now the only
surpul stuff they have is some computer stuff batteries power supplys and
generators. I like the epo back in the day not it is just good to go & look
you might find something you need. I am also looking for a good surplus
electronic store within about 50 or so miles of Houston anybody know of any
good ones.



Scott W. Harvey September 1st 04 03:43 AM

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:59:12 -0500, "truegridtz"
wrote:

Sounds like they are concerned with the same mess we have here with
computers and cells phones ending up in the dump.

Other WEEE info indicated that they are mainly concerned with dangerous
chemicles in batteries, etc. It does sound like the inspection process
would drive up the price of everything.


If this would force the manufacturers, particularly Chinese ones, to
pay more up front to cover the environmental impact of their
products, then it is a good thing, even if it means consumers will pay
more as well.

For too long, importers of this cheap crap have been permitted to
operate with scant concern about where their products will ultimately
end up. They have been able to price their wares artificially low
because the true cost of manufacturing and ownership is not borne by
them. Why should they care? They don't have to pay the costs of
disposal!

About four to six times a year, I go to our local dump to deposit
refuse that is the result of seasonal cleaning. Every time I am there,
I see an enormous dumpster that is just FILLED FILLED FILLED to over
the top with late-model electronic junk of every description. It makes
me sick.......These items are totally useless albatrosses. No one can
repair them, cannabilization for useful parts is almost impossible,
and disposal in an environmentally acceptable manner is quite
expensive.

IMHO, These items should be put on a giant barge and sent back to the
country of origin with the caveat that a trade embargo will be imposed
against any country that refuses to take them back. Maybe when China,
Mexico, and other cheap-labor countries experience first hand what a
colossal pain it is to deal with the ass end of their product's
mercilessly short life cycles, maybe they won't dump quite so much of
this junk on our shores.

-Scott



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truegridtz September 1st 04 06:11 AM


"Scott W. Harvey" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:59:12 -0500, "truegridtz"
wrote:

Sounds like they are concerned with the same mess we have here with
computers and cells phones ending up in the dump.

Other WEEE info indicated that they are mainly concerned with dangerous
chemicles in batteries, etc. It does sound like the inspection process
would drive up the price of everything.


If this would force the manufacturers, particularly Chinese ones, to
pay more up front to cover the environmental impact of their
products, then it is a good thing, even if it means consumers will pay
more as well.

For too long, importers of this cheap crap have been permitted to
operate with scant concern about where their products will ultimately
end up. They have been able to price their wares artificially low
because the true cost of manufacturing and ownership is not borne by
them. Why should they care? They don't have to pay the costs of
disposal!

About four to six times a year, I go to our local dump to deposit
refuse that is the result of seasonal cleaning. Every time I am there,
I see an enormous dumpster that is just FILLED FILLED FILLED to over
the top with late-model electronic junk of every description. It makes
me sick.......These items are totally useless albatrosses. No one can
repair them, cannabilization for useful parts is almost impossible,
and disposal in an environmentally acceptable manner is quite
expensive.

IMHO, These items should be put on a giant barge and sent back to the
country of origin with the caveat that a trade embargo will be imposed
against any country that refuses to take them back. Maybe when China,
Mexico, and other cheap-labor countries experience first hand what a
colossal pain it is to deal with the ass end of their product's
mercilessly short life cycles, maybe they won't dump quite so much of
this junk on our shores.



I doubt that the Chinese are really worried about what we want. Communists
are not known for having much of a conscience.

I recall seeing a TV documentary months ago about the recycling of old
computers. They bust them all up and sort the plastic, etc. Seems they
were breaking even or even making a profit. The problem is getting them
before people throw them in the dump. This was a huge operation with
conveyors belts and big piles of dead or near dead computers. I think they
had something like what the tree trimmers haul behind their trucks. Grinds
them up into little recyclable chunks....sort of like spam. Grunt labor
stands there all day by the conveyor belt with Tylenol and rubber gloves.
At least they can claim they are in the computer industry. The last word in
computer technology. MH

-Scott



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Jeffrey D Angus September 1st 04 06:51 AM



Scott W. Harvey wrote:
IMHO, These items should be put on a giant barge and sent back to the
country of origin with the caveat that a trade embargo will be imposed
against any country that refuses to take them back. Maybe when China,
Mexico, and other cheap-labor countries experience first hand what a
colossal pain it is to deal with the ass end of their product's
mercilessly short life cycles, maybe they won't dump quite so much of
this junk on our shores.


Funny you should mention that, That's where a LOT of our surplus
(i.e. garbage) computers end up. They've got a growing problem in
China now about the recycling centers causing massive ecological
damage to the towns that they recycle in. From burning plastic
insulation off to salvage copper, and the chemical sludge from
stripping gold and silver plating.

Jeff


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truegridtz September 1st 04 07:11 AM


"Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message
...


Scott W. Harvey wrote:
IMHO, These items should be put on a giant barge and sent back to the
country of origin with the caveat that a trade embargo will be imposed
against any country that refuses to take them back. Maybe when China,
Mexico, and other cheap-labor countries experience first hand what a
colossal pain it is to deal with the ass end of their product's
mercilessly short life cycles, maybe they won't dump quite so much of
this junk on our shores.


Funny you should mention that, That's where a LOT of our surplus
(i.e. garbage) computers end up. They've got a growing problem in
China now about the recycling centers causing massive ecological
damage to the towns that they recycle in. From burning plastic
insulation off to salvage copper, and the chemical sludge from
stripping gold and silver plating.

Jeff


One of the main reasons that we never seem to get sufficient control of our
pollution problem is the lack of pollution control in developing nations.
We must compete and pollution control is expensive.

Sacrificing human health for corporate profits is the global format. MH

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
"A life lived in fear is a life half lived."
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http://www.grendel.com




[email protected] September 1st 04 10:22 AM

In rec.antiques.radio+phono Scott W. Harvey wrote:
About four to six times a year, I go to our local dump to deposit
refuse that is the result of seasonal cleaning. Every time I am there,
I see an enormous dumpster that is just FILLED FILLED FILLED to over
the top with late-model electronic junk of every description. It makes
me sick.......These items are totally useless albatrosses. No one can
repair them, cannabilization for useful parts is almost impossible,
and disposal in an environmentally acceptable manner is quite
expensive.


I bet at least half of those is easily repairable ($5 in parts, an hour
labour at most). Most people don't consider repairing because it is
cheap to buy a new one. It's not the bad design per se. Just make the
stuff more expensive (import taxes) and demand a 3 year warranty or so.

IMHO, These items should be put on a giant barge and sent back to the
country of origin with the caveat that a trade embargo will be imposed
against any country that refuses to take them back. Maybe when China,
Mexico, and other cheap-labor countries experience first hand what a
colossal pain it is to deal with the ass end of their product's
mercilessly short life cycles, maybe they won't dump quite so much of
this junk on our shores.


I can't say for sure whther this would work (items may just be dumped
into the ocean), but it could be an idea.

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Maarten Bakker.

[email protected] September 1st 04 10:33 AM

In rec.antiques.radio+phono truegridtz wrote:
I doubt that the Chinese are really worried about what we want. Communists
are not known for having much of a conscience.


I think lack of conscience is not a communist problem per se. This
having been said, I know that at least some European communist
countries, tried to make their design and manufacturing as solid as
possible. Because in their philosophy there was no such thing as
unemployment, and there often was a shortage of supplies, there was no
reason not to put a good amount of engineering into their stuff. I can
confirm 2 East-German black and white TV sets running since 1988 without
needing repairs (and many more of those sets in continuous use in the
Prague metro, if they were not drowned 2 years ago). Some radio
collectors can confirm as well that East German and Czech radio's seem
rather well built (alltough I have not seen too many of those, but what
I have seen was nice).

---
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.

No Spam September 1st 04 11:13 PM

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:33:30 UTC, wrote:

I think lack of conscience is not a communist problem per se. This
having been said, I know that at least some European communist
countries, tried to make their design and manufacturing as solid as
possible. Because in their philosophy there was no such thing as
unemployment, and there often was a shortage of supplies, there was no
reason not to put a good amount of engineering into their stuff. I can
confirm 2 East-German black and white TV sets running since 1988 without
needing repairs (and many more of those sets in continuous use in the
Prague metro, if they were not drowned 2 years ago). Some radio
collectors can confirm as well that East German and Czech radio's seem
rather well built (alltough I have not seen too many of those, but what
I have seen was nice).


What next? Will we be pining away for East German and Soviet era
products like the Trabant, Lada, ZIL?

It's one thing to restore and operate an HT-32B/SX-115 but East
German consumer electronics?

The solution to the trash and recycling problem is a bit more
attention to repair and disposal on the design and manufacturing
side, and a recycling deposit.

If the stuff were easier to fix and upgrade, it wouldn't be pitched
out so quickly.

Can't do much about cell phones, portable CD players, and other
smallish items but the big stuff should be fixable or recycleable.

If new consumer electronics were tagged with a barcoded serial
number and a $1, $5, or $10 deposit levied on each item. The
recycling industry could pay people to bring the stuff back.

de ah6gi/4 - No chance of my 75S-1, SB-303, or SX-100 ever
going to the landfill.




Henry Kolesnik September 2nd 04 01:41 AM

I only had time to go to EPO on Fondren. Spent about 30 minutes and didn't
find anything I couldn't live without. I was there a year ago and the main
thing I noticed is that prices have gone up. If this is the case elsewhere,
homebrewers are going to have to dig deep or look elsewhere.

--
73
Hank WD5JFR

"DJboutit" wrote in message
om...
Charlie's Airwaves is over pirced on almost every thing. Nice place to go
and look & repair prices are not that bad. I remeber when the EPO Houston
use to sell alot more surplus stuff that was like 3 years ago. Now the

only
surpul stuff they have is some computer stuff batteries power supplys and
generators. I like the epo back in the day not it is just good to go &

look
you might find something you need. I am also looking for a good surplus
electronic store within about 50 or so miles of Houston anybody know of

any
good ones.





Bob Weiss September 2nd 04 01:53 AM

Scott W. Harvey wrote:

expensive.

IMHO, These items should be put on a giant barge and sent back to the
country of origin with the caveat that a trade embargo will be imposed
against any country that refuses to take them back. Maybe when China,
Mexico, and other cheap-labor countries experience first hand what a
colossal pain it is to deal with the ass end of their product's
mercilessly short life cycles, maybe they won't dump quite so much of
this junk on our shores.

-Scott


These countries are ALREADY taking the stuff back, and it is killing
people and destroying the environment in their countries, as well:

http://greennature.com/article978.html
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/3-9-11/5040.html
http://www.peopleandplanet.net/doc.php?id=1445

Bob Weiss N2IXK

Roger Gt September 2nd 04 05:23 PM


"Bob Weiss" wrote in message
news:6auZc.2391$3Q5.2332@trndny06...
: Scott W. Harvey wrote:
:
: expensive.
:
: IMHO, These items should be put on a giant barge and sent back
to the
: country of origin with the caveat that a trade embargo will be
imposed
: against any country that refuses to take them back. Maybe when
China,
: Mexico, and other cheap-labor countries experience first hand
what a
: colossal pain it is to deal with the ass end of their
product's
: mercilessly short life cycles, maybe they won't dump quite so
much of
: this junk on our shores.
:
: -Scott
:
: These countries are ALREADY taking the stuff back, and it is
killing
: people and destroying the environment in their countries, as
well:
:
: http://greennature.com/article978.html
: http://english.epochtimes.com/news/3-9-11/5040.html
: http://www.peopleandplanet.net/doc.php?id=1445
:
: Bob Weiss N2IXK


Name one person who has died that can be traced directly to
salvaging efforts.



Doug September 2nd 04 09:02 PM

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:29:51 GMT, "DJboutit"
wrote:

Charlie's Airwaves is over pirced on almost every thing. Nice place to go
and look & repair prices are not that bad. I remeber when the EPO Houston
use to sell alot more surplus stuff that was like 3 years ago. Now the only
surpul stuff they have is some computer stuff batteries power supplys and
generators. I like the epo back in the day not it is just good to go & look
you might find something you need. I am also looking for a good surplus
electronic store within about 50 or so miles of Houston anybody know of any
good ones.


I assume that Madison Electronics in Houston is long gone?
They used to be a great ham dealer with lots of surplus.

Doug




Highland Ham September 2nd 04 09:40 PM

The solution to the trash and recycling problem is a bit more
attention to repair and disposal on the design and manufacturing
side, and a recycling deposit.

============
In the Netherlands and probably other EU countries all electrical goods are
subjected to a 'disposal fee' related to the purchase price and
size/hardware content ,which is to be paid upon purchase.

For a hair dryer the fee is low , for a TV set or laundry machine the fee is
much higher. Old /defective goods can be returned to the shop the goods were
purchased ,or to the relevant municipal waste depot.

Good system where money is paid up front to pay for eventual disposal/
recycling.

One of the early 'top' recycling countries in Europe is Switzerland.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH



Highland Ham September 2nd 04 09:40 PM

These countries are ALREADY taking the stuff back, and it is killing
people and destroying the environment in their countries, as well:

=========================
Yes indeed . A few years ago I saw a TV programme on lead acid batteries
recycling.
Used batteries were shipped from the USA (back )to Taiwan,with the lead
being recovered there . A dreadful operation. Working conditions and
resulting pollution of the local environment were really bad.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH



J M Noeding September 2nd 04 11:09 PM

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:40:04 GMT, "Highland Ham"
wrote:

The solution to the trash and recycling problem is a bit more
attention to repair and disposal on the design and manufacturing
side, and a recycling deposit.

============
In the Netherlands and probably other EU countries all electrical goods are
subjected to a 'disposal fee' related to the purchase price and
size/hardware content ,which is to be paid upon purchase.

For a hair dryer the fee is low , for a TV set or laundry machine the fee is
much higher. Old /defective goods can be returned to the shop the goods were
purchased ,or to the relevant municipal waste depot.

Good system where money is paid up front to pay for eventual disposal/
recycling.


And the electronics shops are supposed to return a certain amount of
rubbish for the consumer electronics they sell. If they can't provide
this they must pay a fee. Some shops collected the old PC's to give to
schools in Poland, but had to give up this practice because it reduced
their rubbish to be collected

On the other hand they might be pleased to solve your problem to get
rid of your rubbish

73
Jan-Martin
LA8AK

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J. M. Noeding, LA8AK, N-4623 Kristiansand
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[email protected] September 3rd 04 09:19 AM

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:23:20 GMT, "Roger Gt" wrote:


"Bob Weiss" wrote in message
news:6auZc.2391$3Q5.2332@trndny06...
: Scott W. Harvey wrote:
:
: expensive.
:
: IMHO, These items should be put on a giant barge and sent back
to the
: country of origin with the caveat that a trade embargo will be
imposed
: against any country that refuses to take them back. Maybe when
China,
: Mexico, and other cheap-labor countries experience first hand
what a
: colossal pain it is to deal with the ass end of their
product's
: mercilessly short life cycles, maybe they won't dump quite so
much of
: this junk on our shores.
:
: -Scott
:
: These countries are ALREADY taking the stuff back, and it is
killing
: people and destroying the environment in their countries, as
well:
:
: http://greennature.com/article978.html
: http://english.epochtimes.com/news/3-9-11/5040.html
: http://www.peopleandplanet.net/doc.php?id=1445
:
: Bob Weiss N2IXK


Name one person who has died that can be traced directly to
salvaging efforts.


Real sensible question.

Just like the one about two white guys and a black guy
arriving at Heaven. St. Peter asks the first guy what famous ship was
sunk by an iceberg. Guy answers, "Titanic" and St. Peter waves him in.
St. Peter asks the second white guy how many died. Guy says, "1503"
and St Peter waves him in. Then he turns to the black guy and says,
"Name them."

Watson A.Name - \Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\ September 3rd 04 09:36 AM


wrote in message
...
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:23:20 GMT, "Roger Gt" wrote:


"Bob Weiss" wrote in message
news:6auZc.2391$3Q5.2332@trndny06...
: Scott W. Harvey wrote:
:
: expensive.
:
: IMHO, These items should be put on a giant barge and sent back
to the
: country of origin with the caveat that a trade embargo will be
imposed
: against any country that refuses to take them back. Maybe when
China,
: Mexico, and other cheap-labor countries experience first hand
what a
: colossal pain it is to deal with the ass end of their
product's
: mercilessly short life cycles, maybe they won't dump quite so
much of
: this junk on our shores.
:
: -Scott
:
: These countries are ALREADY taking the stuff back, and it is
killing
: people and destroying the environment in their countries, as
well:
:
: http://greennature.com/article978.html
: http://english.epochtimes.com/news/3-9-11/5040.html
: http://www.peopleandplanet.net/doc.php?id=1445
:
: Bob Weiss N2IXK


Many people don't realize that most of the high tech parts of
electronics equipment, such as the, ahem, CRTs, are _made_ right here in
the U.S. and shipped to another country for assembly. Sony's San Diego
plant is one notable example.


Name one person who has died that can be traced directly to
salvaging efforts.


Real sensible question.

Just like the one about two white guys and a black guy
arriving at Heaven. St. Peter asks the first guy what famous ship was
sunk by an iceberg. Guy answers, "Titanic" and St. Peter waves him in.
St. Peter asks the second white guy how many died. Guy says, "1503"
and St Peter waves him in. Then he turns to the black guy and says,
"Name them."




Clarence September 6th 04 08:32 PM


wrote in message
...
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:23:20 GMT, "Roger Gt" wrote:


"Bob Weiss" wrote in message
news:6auZc.2391$3Q5.2332@trndny06...
: Scott W. Harvey wrote:
:
: expensive.
:
: IMHO, These items should be put on a giant barge and sent back
to the
: country of origin with the caveat that a trade embargo will be
imposed
: against any country that refuses to take them back. Maybe when
China,
: Mexico, and other cheap-labor countries experience first hand
what a
: colossal pain it is to deal with the ass end of their
product's
: mercilessly short life cycles, maybe they won't dump quite so
much of
: this junk on our shores.
:
: -Scott
:
: These countries are ALREADY taking the stuff back, and it is
killing
: people and destroying the environment in their countries, as
well:
:
: http://greennature.com/article978.html
: http://english.epochtimes.com/news/3-9-11/5040.html
: http://www.peopleandplanet.net/doc.php?id=1445
:
: Bob Weiss N2IXK


Name one person who has died that can be traced directly to
salvaging efforts.


Real sensible question.

Just like the one about two white guys and a black guy
arriving at Heaven. St. Peter asks the first guy what famous ship was
sunk by an iceberg. Guy answers, "Titanic" and St. Peter waves him in.
St. Peter asks the second white guy how many died. Guy says, "1503"
and St Peter waves him in. Then he turns to the black guy and says,
"Name them."


Did he? You didn't finish the story. So What happened?

There is a big difference between "name one" and Naming 1503, and I don't get
the connection.



John H. September 6th 04 09:37 PM

Clarence wrote:



Did he? You didn't finish the story. So What happened?

There is a big difference between "name one" and Naming 1503, and I don't get
the connection.



How about this joke, maybe it will make things clearer-

Two male priests are fishing with a new female priest recently
transferred to their diocese on the shore of a huge lake. It is
discovered they left their bait back on shore, and the female priest
offers to get it. She calmly steps out of the boat, and walks gently
across the water to the shore and picks up the bait without even getting
wet.

Before she returns, one priest whispers to the other- "They send us a
female priest and she can't even swim."

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John H.
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