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Weird stuff...
A local High Desert radio station guide http://www.highdesertinsider.com/html/radio.html lists 105.3 FM Barstow as KIIS Top 40's KIIS, of course, is 102.7 in Los Angeles. 105.3 Barstow (actually licensed to Yermo) is listed as KRSX, but it is licensed to Citicasters, so it's possible that it might be a repeater or translator. The listing is kinda weird (but then again, the highdesertinsider web page isn't an official list). I haven't heard any programming on 105.3 that sounds like Kiss FM but I'll have to listen again and see what I can find. I may be a little too far from Barstow to get a good signal though. What really struck me as strange is that there seem to be no fewer than five FCC licenses for stations on 105.3 in California with the calls KITS-FM. Do an FM Search on the FCC's website, on 105.3 in California, and you will see KITS, KITS-FM1, KITS-FM2, KITS-FM3, and KITS-FM4 on 105.3. KITS is San Francisco, FM1 is Walnut Creek, FM2 is Pleasanton, FM3 is San Francisco, and FM4 is Antioch. All owned by Infinity... Can someone explain this? I've never seen it before. -- JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950 Steve Sobol, Proprietor 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * |
Steven J. Sobol wrote:
A local High Desert radio station guide http://www.highdesertinsider.com/html/radio.html lists 105.3 FM Barstow as KIIS Top 40's KIIS, of course, is 102.7 in Los Angeles. 105.3 Barstow (actually licensed to Yermo) is listed as KRSX, but it is licensed to Citicasters, so it's possible that it might be a repeater or translator. The listing is kinda weird (but then again, the highdesertinsider web page isn't an official list). I haven't heard any programming on 105.3 that sounds like Kiss FM but I'll have to listen again and see what I can find. I may be a little too far from Barstow to get a good signal though. They're reusing the Kiss logo and format in markets across the country. Last time I was in Chicago, I saw the exact same Kiss FM logo (only with 102.7 replaced by 103.5) on billboards across the city. My guess is the webmaster at this site mistook the similarity in formats/logos (and possibly simulcast morning show?) to mean the Barstow-area station is a translator of the real KIIS. Of course, being a LONG way from California, it's possible the Barstow-area station actually *is* a high-powered translator of KIISgrin... What really struck me as strange is that there seem to be no fewer than five FCC licenses for stations on 105.3 in California with the calls KITS-FM. Do an FM Search on the FCC's website, on 105.3 in California, and you will see KITS, KITS-FM1, KITS-FM2, KITS-FM3, and KITS-FM4 on 105.3. KITS is San Francisco, FM1 is Walnut Creek, FM2 is Pleasanton, FM3 is San Francisco, and FM4 is Antioch. All owned by Infinity... Can someone explain this? I've never seen it before. FM Boosters. Same purpose as a translator, but operates on the same frequency as the primary station. I suppose they're used when open frequencies for translators are scarce (certainly the case in the Bay Area!) and when terrain is rough enough that the boosters won't interfere with the main transmitter, at least not in places where anyone lives! There are twelve of them in Pleasanton, relaying different SF-area stations. A bunch in Walnut Creek too. I count a total of 55 in various Bay Area sites. They exist elsewhere too. KPRI has three within the San Diego city limits alone. Current Engineering Database shows 179 boosters licensed. -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com |
"Steven J. Sobol" wrote in message ... What really struck me as strange is that there seem to be no fewer than five FCC licenses for stations on 105.3 in California with the calls KITS-FM. Do an FM Search on the FCC's website, on 105.3 in California, and you will see KITS, KITS-FM1, KITS-FM2, KITS-FM3, and KITS-FM4 on 105.3. KITS is San Francisco, FM1 is Walnut Creek, FM2 is Pleasanton, FM3 is San Francisco, and FM4 is Antioch. All owned by Infinity... Can someone explain this? I've never seen it before. On-channel boosters. |
"Steven J. Sobol" writes:
KITS is San Francisco, FM1 is Walnut Creek, FM2 is Pleasanton, FM3 is San Francisco, and FM4 is Antioch. All owned by Infinity... Can someone explain this? I've never seen it before. Boosters? umar -- URL:http://hippogryph.com/green Send 'em back to Texas: T minus 333 days, 23 hours, 7 minutes. |
KIIS, of course, is 102.7 in Los Angeles. Nope. "KIIS" implies AM. KIIS (AM) is 850 in Thousand Oaks. 0.5 kW days, 0.25 kW nights, DA-2. Citicasters owns it. The original KIIS (AM) was 1150 in L.A. It has been KXTA since 1997. KIIS-FM is indeed L.A. ... also Citicasters. |
"Steven J. Sobol" wrote in message ... What really struck me as strange is that there seem to be no fewer than five FCC licenses for stations on 105.3 in California with the calls KITS-FM. Do an FM Search on the FCC's website, on 105.3 in California, and you will see KITS, KITS-FM1, KITS-FM2, KITS-FM3, and KITS-FM4 on 105.3. KITS is San Francisco, FM1 is Walnut Creek, FM2 is Pleasanton, FM3 is San Francisco, and FM4 is Antioch. All owned by Infinity... Can someone explain this? I've never seen it before. They are all repeaters for KITS. They are very low power, usually directional and used to fill in dead spots where the original signal can't get through. There are several of those around the Bay Area for other stations too. They are very common in areas like around the bay where geography plays havoc with FM/VHF Line of sight. |
Doug Smith W9WI wrote:
They're reusing the Kiss logo and format in markets across the country. I know. (cf. http://www.kissfm965.com and http://www.kiisfm.com) Last time I was in Chicago, I saw the exact same Kiss FM logo (only with 102.7 replaced by 103.5) on billboards across the city. They flipped 103.5 to Kiss? Used to be active rock, and alt-rock before that. But the last time I was in Chicago was '94... there have probably been a lot of changes since then. Wonder how it does vs. B96. (I'm going to Chicago in a couple weeks so I guess I'll find out!) My guess is the webmaster at this site mistook the similarity in formats/logos (and possibly simulcast morning show?) to mean the Barstow-area station is a translator of the real KIIS. Simulcast? Hm. Wonder if it's Rick Dees or Sean Valentine. Dees is actually the morning guy at KIIS. Valentine is the afternoon drive guy but his show is voice-tracked and used as the morning show at a bunch of KISS stations in smaller markets. Of course, being a LONG way from California, it's possible the Barstow-area station actually *is* a high-powered translator of KIISgrin... That's what I was thinking. Barstow is actually two hours north of LA (as the crow flies; it'll take longer to drive there because you have to deal with LA traffic and it isn't as straight shot). FM Boosters. Same purpose as a translator, but operates on the same frequency as the primary station. Thank you (and thanks to everyone else who replied.) I'm a little embarrassed about not knowing this, even though I've never worked in the industry. -- JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950 Steve Sobol, Proprietor 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * |
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| | Do an FM Search on the FCC's website, on 105.3 in California, and you will | see KITS, KITS-FM1, KITS-FM2, KITS-FM3, and KITS-FM4 on 105.3. | | KITS is San Francisco, FM1 is Walnut Creek, FM2 is Pleasanton, FM3 is | San Francisco, and FM4 is Antioch. All owned by Infinity... | | Can someone explain this? I've never seen it before. | On-channel boosters. The Bay Area's terrain blocks signals from reaching areas that would otherwise have no problem getting coverage. The boosters "fill in the blanks", as it were. All but the San Francisco location are in East Bay communities on the opposite side of the Oakland and Berkeley hills from San Francisco. These boosters provide coverage to those communities and the I-680 corridor that connects most of them. There is little or no interference with the main station largely because the hills so effectively block the main signal. (I believe there is carrier synchronization involved as well, but I am not clear on the details.) You'll see boosters for other stations as well, all in East Bay communities such as the ones above. Not sure what the San Francisco KITS booster is doing -- KITS is transmitting from the Sutro tower which should give reasonably good coverage of most of the city. -- Spam tallies at my main address: November 2002 : 737 May 2003 : 3,596 November 2003 : 10,173 -- an increase of 1,280% over the same month in 2002 |
On 4 Dec 2003 14:42:22 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote: FM Boosters. Same purpose as a translator, but operates on the same frequency as the primary station. I suppose they're used when open frequencies for translators are scarce (certainly the case in the Bay Area!) and when terrain is rough enough that the boosters won't interfere with the main transmitter, at least not in places where anyone lives! On-channel boosters are not quite the same thing as translators. Boosters are used when terrain obstacles block parts of the predicted coverage contour of an FM station. They are allowed only to fill such "holes," not to extend what would otherwise be the station's coverage area. The SF bay area is full of them, as the topography prevents any FM station from reaching full coverage without boosters. Mark Howell |
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