Radio stations recording network radio newscasts
 

Rich, (and all)...

I would like to ask another question, along these same lines....

What are the limits/penalities, for a radio station that records and
re-airs a radio network newscast hours...in some instances even *days*
later? I actually know of a station that does this, much to the
chagrine of anyone who respects professional broadcasting practices,
responsibility and journalism.

-George Carden, Minneapolis, MN

airwaves-digest wrote on 4/20/2004, 5:15 AM:

Date: 19 Apr 2004 21:06:28 GMT
From: Rich Wood
Subject: [Airwaves] What is the typical price/length of a
syndicated radio news contract?

On 20 Apr 2004 15:14:07 GMT, "George Carden"
wrote:

What are the limits/penalities, for a radio station that records and
re-airs a radio network newscast hours...in some instances even *days*
later? I actually know of a station that does this, much to the
chagrine of anyone who respects professional broadcasting practices,
responsibility and journalism.

Beyond the awesome stupidity of doing such a thing they run the risk
of running an out of date commercial (if they rerun the spots) and
causing the advertiser much grief. The advertiser causes the agency
grief. The agency caused the network grief and the network causes the
station grief. This is all beyond the fact that the news is out of
date. Any time you rerun a newscast you run the risk of passing on
dangerous misinformation in addition to the dangerous misinformation
that might have been in the newscast itself because sources weren't
properly checked.

Very few network advertisers run dated spots because stations are
allowed to run their weekly quota of spots ROS (Run of Schedule). The
places where dated spots would be run are newscasts where the embedded
spot must be run as it's fed. That's why rerunning a newscast can be
dangerous for a station.

Those who do it simply don't care.

Rich

What is the typical network/affiliate requirement regarding this?
What do networks do to stations who re-air old newscasts? I can't
imagine they would be very happy about it. What's the usual contract
regarding this? Do the biggie networks legally penalize affiliates
who do this?

Thanks,
George

Rich Wood wrote in message ...
On 20 Apr 2004 15:14:07 GMT, "George Carden"
wrote:

What are the limits/penalities, for a radio station that records and
re-airs a radio network newscast hours...in some instances even *days*
later? I actually know of a station that does this, much to the
chagrine of anyone who respects professional broadcasting practices,
responsibility and journalism.

Beyond the awesome stupidity of doing such a thing they run the risk
of running an out of date commercial (if they rerun the spots) and
causing the advertiser much grief. The advertiser causes the agency
grief. The agency caused the network grief and the network causes the
station grief. This is all beyond the fact that the news is out of
date. Any time you rerun a newscast you run the risk of passing on
dangerous misinformation in addition to the dangerous misinformation
that might have been in the newscast itself because sources weren't
properly checked.

Very few network advertisers run dated spots because stations are
allowed to run their weekly quota of spots ROS (Run of Schedule). The
places where dated spots would be run are newscasts where the embedded
spot must be run as it's fed. That's why rerunning a newscast can be
dangerous for a station.

Those who do it simply don't care.

Rich

On 21 Apr 2004 21:42:49 GMT, (George Carden) wrote:

What is the typical network/affiliate requirement regarding this?
What do networks do to stations who re-air old newscasts? I can't
imagine they would be very happy about it. What's the usual contract
regarding this? Do the biggie networks legally penalize affiliates
who do this?

Most networks only care that their commercials be run as contracted.
The other terms of the contracts generally deal with where the
material can be used.

They want to know if you're simulcasting so they can claim the
additional audience. They want to be sure the material isn't
duplicated in the market. Other than running an out of date
commercial, the network is unlikely to penalize anyone unless it
causes them to appear to be out of date. Stations that rerun newscasts
are, generally, not worth bothering with.

Rich

Aside from being listened to for any historical value, be it a major story,
down to, "Hey, I used to work with that guy!", there is no value of re
running a newscast, especially given how many 'networks' run 5 minute
newscasts.

Then again, you might be listening to the AP all news network, which when we
ran it,
often used the same copy from a story in consecutive hours.




"Rich Wood" wrote in message
...
On 21 Apr 2004 21:42:49 GMT, (George Carden) wrote:

What is the typical network/affiliate requirement regarding this?
What do networks do to stations who re-air old newscasts? I can't
imagine they would be very happy about it. What's the usual contract
regarding this? Do the biggie networks legally penalize affiliates
who do this?

Most networks only care that their commercials be run as contracted.
The other terms of the contracts generally deal with where the
material can be used.

They want to know if you're simulcasting so they can claim the
additional audience. They want to be sure the material isn't
duplicated in the market. Other than running an out of date
commercial, the network is unlikely to penalize anyone unless it
causes them to appear to be out of date. Stations that rerun newscasts
are, generally, not worth bothering with.

Rich

Do you mean legal penalties? If you do, the answer is "none." In theory,
a station that broadcasts old, old news might run afoul of whatever's left
of the "licensed operate in the public, interest, convenience and necessity"
doctrine. I dunno: Is old news better or worse than no news at all?
Remember, radio stations are no longer obligated to broadcast _any_ news.
In the main, I don't think that radio is taken seriously by many as a
serious source for any than weather news. There are of course some stations
that are major exceptions. You may care. I don't. To each his own.

Cheers.

Don Forsling
"Iowa--Gateway to Those Big Rectangular States"

"George Carden" wrote in message
...
Rich, (and all)...

I would like to ask another question, along these same lines....

What are the limits/penalities, for a radio station that records and
re-airs a radio network newscast hours...in some instances even *days*
later? I actually know of a station that does this, much to the
chagrine of anyone who respects professional broadcasting practices,
responsibility and journalism.

-George Carden, Minneapolis, MN

airwaves-digest wrote on 4/20/2004, 5:15 AM:

Date: 19 Apr 2004 21:06:28 GMT
From: Rich Wood
Subject: [Airwaves] What is the typical price/length of a
syndicated radio news contract?

Don Forsling wrote:
Do you mean legal penalties? If you do, the answer is "none." In theory,
a station that broadcasts old, old news might run afoul of whatever's left
of the "licensed operate in the public, interest, convenience and necessity"
doctrine. I dunno: Is old news better or worse than no news at all?

I dunno, I just tuned into the local college station to hear an annoucement
about an invasion in Normandy this afternoon. I found it interesting, but
I did not find it topical.

Remember, radio stations are no longer obligated to broadcast _any_ news.
In the main, I don't think that radio is taken seriously by many as a
serious source for any than weather news. There are of course some stations
that are major exceptions. You may care. I don't. To each his own.

I think it's a shame, personally.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I dunno, I just tuned into the local college station to hear an
annoucement
about an invasion in Normandy this afternoon. I found it interesting, but
I did not find it topical.


Al Kaada is invading normandy? the French are surrendering again?

sorry, i've never even heard of anyone rerunning net news over a day old
before this. i was involved in taping net news following 9-11 so top of
the hour news played at bottom of the hour (or thereabouts) on FM stations
that didn't normally air net news.

we reciently had a starguide malfunction which resulted in a tape delayed
program airing the some of same elements repeatedly. the contact closure
"stuck" so automation never got the cue to start recording a new segment.

suppose some station records a cart called "news01" then their automation is
set to play news01 once an hour during dayparts. then no one updates the
cart for a few days. AND the cart is set to never expire. this would result
in the kind of problem that's being discussed.

Tim Perry wrote:

I dunno, I just tuned into the local college station to hear an
annoucement
about an invasion in Normandy this afternoon. I found it interesting, but
I did not find it topical.

Al Kaada is invading normandy? the French are surrendering again?

No, just the Germans again, thanks to Scully.

sorry, i've never even heard of anyone rerunning net news over a day old
before this. i was involved in taping net news following 9-11 so top of
the hour news played at bottom of the hour (or thereabouts) on FM stations
that didn't normally air net news.

I had never either, except of course in the case of historical programs
like mentioned above.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."