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QUESTION ABOUT SIGN-ON/OFF ANNOUNCEMENTS
I am curious if station sign-on and sign-off announcements are required by
the FCC ? I ask this, because I have noticed several daytime only stations recently that do not make any type of announcement at sign-off They just kill the carrier afer the last commercial. And they begin the next broadcast day with programming, sometimes not even a legal ID. Just curious about this. George Thurman |
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George S. Thurman wrote: I am curious if station sign-on and sign-off announcements are required by the FCC ? Yes. 47 CFR 73.1201(a)(1). -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | As the Constitution endures, persons in every | generation can invoke its principles in their own Opinions not those of| search for greater freedom. MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - A. Kennedy, Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. ___ (2003) |
"George S. Thurman" wrote in message ... I am curious if station sign-on and sign-off announcements are required by the FCC ? I ask this, because I have noticed several daytime only stations recently that do not make any type of announcement at sign-off They just kill the carrier afer the last commercial. And they begin the next broadcast day with programming, sometimes not even a legal ID. Just curious about this. George Thurman the rules: PART 73_RADIO BROADCAST SERVICES--Table of Contents Subpart H_Rules Applicable to All Broadcast Stations Sec. 73.1201 Station identification. (a) When regularly required. Broadcast station identification announcements shall be made: (1) At the beginning and ending of each time of operation, and (2) Hourly, as close to the hour as feasible, at a natural break in program offerings. Television and Class A television broadcast stations may make these announcements visually or aurally. a lot of AMs are being automated. the transmitter controller is simply programmed to shut down (and turn on the next morning) independent of programming. what you are hearing may be a case of nighttime power/pattern change where you are outside the night coverage area. often the nighttime power of former daytime stations is only a few watts there is no requirement to announce anything when switching patterns/power |
"George S. Thurman" wrote in message ... I am curious if station sign-on and sign-off announcements are required by the FCC ? I ask this, because I have noticed several daytime only stations recently that do not make any type of announcement at sign-off They just kill the carrier afer the last commercial. And they begin the next broadcast day with programming, sometimes not even a legal ID. Just curious about this. The rules, as I understood them when I cared (73.1202) was that the station ID was to be aired at the beginning and end of transmission, as well as "as close to the hour as possible in a natural break in programming." I think this is by international treaty, not that it's observed by many North American stations. The station address, contact information and national anthem, therefore, are entirely optional, abeit customary, for most stations that actually sign off. And your experience is typical. This rule, or a variant thereof, also applies for auxiliary (Part 74) operations, such as studio-transmitter links. There, the hourly ID for the main programming serves to ID the auxiliary STL, but once programming ceases on the main programming, the STL needs to be ID'ed every hour with its own calls if it remains on. And the form for those, by the way, are quite explicit in their delivery. STL WAP-470 in Thistown is, like the requirement for the main channel's calls, to be ID'ed double-you-ay-pea-four-seven-zero thistown, not "WAP-four-seventy" or other cute variants. Keep in mind, too, that the location is the political entity of the station's STL transmitter, so that a station licensed to Thattownoverthere with studios in Thistown would ID the STL as I've described. For Remote Pickup links, the facility is to be ID'ed in exactly the same manner. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- If there's nothing that offends you in your community, then you know you're not livin g in a free society. Kim Campbell - ex-Prime Minister of Canada - 2004 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- For direct replies, take out the contents between the hyphens. -Really!- |
I am curious if station sign-on and sign-off announcements are required by the
FCC ? A legal ID is required at the beginning and the end of "each period of operation." (See 47 CFR §73.1201.) Otherwise, no announcement (such as the old statement of ownership) is required. |
"Bob Haberkost" wrote in message ...
Remember that the only "legal" requirement is the calls and city of license. And, in my (non-professional) opinion, a non-legal ID at the top of the hour, just before programming, is bogus. The ID, though, needs to be as soon as practicable after emissions start and end, as well as the aforementioned as-near-to-the-hour-as-possible (TV having the additional option that they can ID either or both the video or audio). But don't forget that the FCC really is pretty slack with this rule, where the legal ID on more than a few alt-rock stations is buried in the :50 6-minute commercial break, and then come the top of the hour (which, to me, is still a reasonable break in programming) you'll hear something like "Dumbbutts96 - your Rockin' Jockin' Joint for the Tri-State Area! (A Clear Channel Station)". It's not just modern rockers--burying the legal in the :50 stop set is common in *every* music format (it seems that talk radio still believes in call letters over image name). Either that or whispering what they don't really want you to hear like this example: "LITE ROCK 97! [whisper] WXXX Morton Grove [end whisper] CHICAGO'S HOME FOR CONTINUOUS LITE FAVORITES WITHOUT THE RAP OR HARD ROCK OR SLEEPY ELEVATOR MUSIC!" All, of course, with the overproduced whooshes and lazer zips in the background. Just think--all you needed in the old days was a tymp roll, Bill Drake saying "And now, ladies and gentlemen, the Real Don Steele--on Boss Radio!" and the Johnny Mann Singers singing "93 KHJ--Los Angeles!" And all of that at the top of the hour. Guess times have changed. |
I always liked "WWDC, Washington is someplace special".
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what you are hearing may be a case of nighttime power/pattern change where
you are outside the night coverage area. often the nighttime power of former daytime stations is only a few watts there is no requirement to announce anything when switching patterns/power Nope..it is a complete shout down. Local station here. I have noticed other stations where I have lived have done ths. GST |
The rules, as I understood them when I cared (73.1202) was that the station
ID was to be aired at the beginning and end of transmission, I worked with a guy who swore an old boss of his once discovered his competitor would sell anything, absolutely anything with no regard to its content. He declared the boss paid for, and GOT "sponsorship" of the enemy station's signoff message. On the order of: "Wxxx now ceases its broadcast day. This message brought to you by Wyyy which is on the air 24 hours if you tune over to AM 000..." I only repeat what I'm told Stella (make up airnames?) Starr |
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"Mark Jeffries" wrote in message ... Just think--all you needed in the old days was a tymp roll, Bill Drake saying "And now, ladies and gentlemen, the Real Don Steele--on Boss Radio!" and the Johnny Mann Singers singing "93 KHJ--Los Angeles!" And all of that at the top of the hour. Guess times have changed. The big change came with the digital dial. You can not be "93" anymore, you must be 930. In some formats, especially in youth and younger adults, up to 80% of Arbitron diary mentions are by digital dial position. The next group is by name, and the lowest by calls. |
Mark Jeffries had written:
| | It's not just modern rockers--burying the legal in the :50 stop set is | common in *every* music format (it seems that talk radio still | believes in call letters over image name). Either that or whispering | what they don't really want you to hear like this example: [...] I guess the San Francisco Bay area is a little different...KOIT, KFRC, KDFC, KBLX, KFOG, and KMEL are all examples of music stations that continue to identify with their call letters. Until its makeover as "The Bone" about four years ago, KSAN did as well. Back when KITS still was owned by Entercom, running a true modern rock format, it only announced the call letters once per hour. But when they did it, it was not hidden. My favorite was (in alternating left and right channels) "K -- I -- T -- S" followed by an equally dragged-out "San Francisco! Live! 105!" The present-day Live 105 has none of the imagination and flair of what came before it. Yet another consultant-whipped PD strikes again. | Just think--all you needed in the old days was a tymp roll, Bill Drake | saying "And now, ladies and gentlemen, the Real Don Steele--on Boss | Radio!" and the Johnny Mann Singers singing "93 KHJ--Los Angeles!" | And all of that at the top of the hour. Guess times have changed. Music stations also didn't hate news in those days. It was viewed as a complementary part of the format. Try to imagine "The Big 89" (WLS) without Lyle Dean. -- Mark Roberts |"The same sort of moral cowardice that led him to support the Oakland, Cal.| Vietnam war but decide it wasn't for him, run companies into the NO HTML MAIL | ground and let others pay the bill, play gutter politics but run for the hills when someone asks him to say it to their face, those are the same qualities that led the president to lie the country into war, fail to prepare for the aftermath and then refuse to take responsibility for any of it when the bill started to come due." -- Josh Marshall |
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Mark Howell had written:
| In the pre-deregulation | '70's a number of music stations figured out that they could game the | system by running huge amounts of mostly rip'n' read, pre-recorded | news in the overnight shift, thus clearing most of it out of the | daytime hours where it was considered by PD's to be a tune-out factor. | I worked in one of those, too. I remember one night in my wild youth, | taping a 30 minute newscast that ran at 3 AM while quite obviously | drunk. Nobody ever noticed. When KWK came back on the air in St. Louis in 1978, it had one newscaster, who did newscasts from about 2 am until 9 am. -- Mark Roberts |"The same sort of moral cowardice that led him to support the Oakland, Cal.| Vietnam war but decide it wasn't for him, run companies into the NO HTML MAIL | ground and let others pay the bill, play gutter politics but run for the hills when someone asks him to say it to their face, those are the same qualities that led the president to lie the country into war, fail to prepare for the aftermath and then refuse to take responsibility for any of it when the bill started to come due." -- Josh Marshall |
I always liked WABC, NEW YORK AND NOW WITH THE NEWS HERE"S BOB HARDT!
OR KFRC SAN FRANCISCO! |
Remember that the only "legal" requirement is the calls and city of
license. And, in my (non-professional) opinion, a non-legal ID at the top of the hour, just before programming, is bogus. Would you consider this a legal ID or a bogus ID? I say "bogus", but the tv station obviously says "legal". Only a visual ID (no audio ID) with the call letters, channel number, and the city of the OTHER tv station that they are not in big easy to read letters followed by the call letters, channel number, an city of the station that they really are, in small hard to read tiny letters so small that you have to be right up at the screen AND holding a magnifying glass to make it readable to you. |
Would you consider this a legal ID or a bogus ID? I say "bogus", but the tv
station obviously says "legal". The pertinent FCC rule (47 CFR §73.1201) contains no requirement as to the font size of a visual legal ID. It does say that TV stations may ID *either* aurally or visually. |
I never got tired of hearing "Ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to
.....(insert jock's name) followed by the CKLW top of the hour ID! I'd turn the radio up til the speakers almost blew to hear how the op would layunder some great hit like Stevie Wonder - Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm Yours. Later, I was fortunate enough to be one of those ops in the studio of "The Big 8" doing those layunders myself. I still turned the monitors up so loud that I almost blew the speaker cones across the room. Never got tired of the extreme thrill it gave me to have the top of the hour being "my set" and place to shine. CKLW was the best radio station on the face of the earth at the time ..... in my totally biased opinion! Lee Smith |
CKLW's IDs certainly were the best of their time, Lee. Ken R in Toledo has all
of the CK jingles on a CD....well worth the price, I might add. Also among my fave IDs were those on WHYT/Detroit during its Hot Hits heyday and the Hitradio incarnation, and WCZY 95.5 FM's IDs when Gannett owned it. They just don't make catchy IDs like those anymore. Kinda sad, but that's the way our biz is now. John Z Detroit |
Hey Everyone,
Do any of you have them on CD? Tape? Record? Please let me know. If anyone has any please contact me. I will be excited if you could mail them to me. Chris |
My favorite in the 70's was Mel Blanc and KDAY as Sylvester the cat.
"You're listening to KDAY. Yesssththth. "Kay-Day"! Sssth-th-th- thSantaMonica! " |
These two had thundering voices reading:
"The Spirit of New England, WBZ Boston, Group W Westinghouse Broadcasting" __ oclock, Someplace Special, (instrumental of call sign jingle) 1020 KDKA Pittsburgh, Group W, Westinghouse Broadcasting. and a local one had the local jock had to read (I/m not kidding) AM 13 WWCH Clarion, its __ oclock, a good time for Mongs milk, fresh from the moo to you......... KDS |
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resqchf701 wrote: These two had thundering voices reading: "The Spirit of New England, WBZ Boston, Group W Westinghouse Broadcasting" __ oclock, Someplace Special, (instrumental of call sign jingle) 1020 KDKA Pittsburgh, Group W, Westinghouse Broadcasting. You can't forget the classic: Anchor: K-Y-W newstime... FX: BOOP Anchor: ...XXX o'clock. Stentorian Announcer Voice: All news, all the time. Jingle singers: K-Y-W, Newsradio, 10-60 S.A.V.: From Independence Mall, this is News Radio, K-Y-W Philadelphia, 10-60 on your dial, a Group W Westinghouse Broadcasting Station, serving Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware, in A-M stereo. http://audio.bostonradio.org/98caaabd-b353-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg IIRC, Mr. Stentorian Announcer Voice, the long-time imaging voice of KYW radio and television, died this year. Not quite Jim Clancy, but great pipes nonetheless. All of the WINS IDs I've heard (in the modern era, anyway) were read by the outgoing news anchor. In market #1 the station which had the most presence in its legal ID was WCBS, as witness http://audio.bostonradio.org/1ad39f32-af7f-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg. (Other CBS all-newsers of the mid-90s tended to jingle.) Unfortunately most all-news and news-talk stations these days seem to think it's "undignified" to jingle, although I'm told KFBK in Sacramento (http://audio.bostonradio.org/8d336817-aecb-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg, recorded in 1997) is still an exception, as is Milwaukee's heritage WTMJ: http://audio.bostonradio.org/151300c9-d2fb-11d8-b318-00904703287b.ogg. One of my current AM favorites (in no small part because the jock is a friend of mine) is this one from suburban Pittsburgh: http://audio.bostonradio.org/5e05f288-0f32-11d9-8341-00904703287b.ogg Other AM IDs I like: WGAN: http://audio.bostonradio.org/a725990d-b9b8-11d8-a5c8-00a0cc584130.ogg WHP: http://audio.bostonradio.org/e43540b8-ae0d-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg WICC: http://audio.bostonradio.org/795fdf00-ac3e-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg WPTF: http://audio.bostonradio.org/c8c5f3ba-ac32-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg CKAC: http://audio.bostonradio.org/03ff251e-b37e-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg HJJX: http://audio.bostonradio.org/aaafc718-b43a-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg WBAP: http://audio.bostonradio.org/8524cdd4-b052-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg WLS: http://audio.bostonradio.org/bb53a9b7-b835-11d8-b318-00904703287b.ogg WTIC: http://audio.bostonradio.org/7691e987-af81-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg WWWE: http://audio.bostonradio.org/11ab4ddc-af8b-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg WBT: http://audio.bostonradio.org/3a406b86-ac30-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg WOWO: http://audio.bostonradio.org/d453893e-af7e-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg WTSN: http://audio.bostonradio.org/aeee4c98-b43f-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg WNTA and WROK: http://audio.bostonradio.org/b2a4a65b-b9c0-11d8-b318-00904703287b.ogg WINY: http://audio.bostonradio.org/3f1f4659-b7f6-11d8-b318-00904703287b.ogg WNBP: http://audio.bostonradio.org/151655e0-d2da-11d8-b318-00904703287b.ogg For the other 1,500 or so you'll have to poke around the site. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | As the Constitution endures, persons in every | generation can invoke its principles in their own Opinions not those of| search for greater freedom. MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - A. Kennedy, Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. ___ (2003) |
"resqchf701" wrote in message ... These two had thundering voices reading: "The Spirit of New England, WBZ Boston, Group W Westinghouse Broadcasting" __ oclock, Someplace Special, (instrumental of call sign jingle) 1020 KDKA Pittsburgh, Group W, Westinghouse Broadcasting. You know, I think I might still have a dub of the jingle package that KDKA ran in that period. Or was it the electronic one in the several years before? Not that you'd know...just muttering to myself. I may even have the 15ips master for the electronic set, having dubbed it also before I took them both, as I didn't have a 15ips reproducer at home. I'm remembering jock shouts, too. I'll have to look. I'd imagine that there would be a few people here who would be interested in what I find. Nostalgia, however, isn't what it used to be. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- If there's nothing that offends you in your community, then you know you're not living in a free society. Kim Campbell - ex-Prime Minister of Canada - 2004 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- For direct replies, take out the contents between the hyphens. -Really!- |
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I worked the signoff and Sunday AM shifts at AM13 in 1983 and 84. Thanks for the great memory! Yes, we really did have to say that. I miss small town radio.....Och's (Ox) Lumber, Kerle (Carly) Tire, DuBois (Do Boys)....those were the days. |
Back in the day - stations such as 14 KQV AM and WPEZ FM often times tried to see who could out do each other.
Even WYDD and sister station of KQV - WDVE Pittsburgh's Rockers - would ID every 15 minutes or so... Things like Cheech and Chong saying WDVE Picksburgh, or 102.5 WDVE / DVE Rocks U Rocks U Rocks U Rocks u...... WPEZ eventually becomming WBZZ and stations moving up and down the dial or going off the air entirely. The creme always rises to the top, while the turds goes down the drain... |
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