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[email protected] December 28th 06 04:15 PM

VIPER ANTENNAS
 
HAS ANYONE SEEN THESE ANTENNAS????
DIAMOND BACK RATTLER
BLACK SNAKE[
COPPER HEAD
ONLY THE RATTLER NOW AVAILABLE.
IF YOU WANT A PICTURE CONTACT ME DIRECTLY.
STAN
KC2KGG
ROBINHOOD


Telstar Electronics December 28th 06 06:59 PM

VIPER ANTENNAS
 
wrote:
HAS ANYONE SEEN THESE ANTENNAS????
DIAMOND BACK RATTLER
BLACK SNAKE[
COPPER HEAD
ONLY THE RATTLER NOW AVAILABLE.
IF YOU WANT A PICTURE CONTACT ME DIRECTLY.
STAN
KC2KGG
ROBINHOOD


Are they better than MonkeyMade?... LOL

www.telstar-electronics.com


777 December 28th 06 11:11 PM

VIPER ANTENNAS
 
On 28 Dec 2006 10:59:38 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote:

wrote:
HAS ANYONE SEEN THESE ANTENNAS????
DIAMOND BACK RATTLER
BLACK SNAKE[
COPPER HEAD
ONLY THE RATTLER NOW AVAILABLE.
IF YOU WANT A PICTURE CONTACT ME DIRECTLY.
STAN
KC2KGG
ROBINHOOD


Are they better than MonkeyMade?... LOL


Dont you use monkey made? Or are you still trying out the good ole
102" whip?

Telstar Electronics December 28th 06 11:54 PM

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777 wrote:
Dont you use monkey made? Or are you still trying out the good ole
102" whip?


Nothin' to figure out... the 102 will blow away any MonkeyMade.

www.telstar-electronics.com


Scott in Baltimore December 29th 06 12:17 AM

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Telstar Electronics wrote:
777 wrote:
Dont you use monkey made? Or are you still trying out the good ole
102" whip?


Nothin' to figure out... the 102 will blow away any MonkeyMade.



It does make me wonder how any coiled antenna (which is 1/4 wave uncoiled)
could be better then a full size quarter wave. The slight inductance at
the bottom can't help. Inductive reactance increases with frequency for
a given inductance. Why would you want a resistor in series with your
radiating element before the peak voltage is developed at the tip?

Frank Gilliland December 29th 06 12:21 AM

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On 28 Dec 2006 15:54:15 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
.com:

777 wrote:
Dont you use monkey made? Or are you still trying out the good ole
102" whip?


Nothin' to figure out... the 102 will blow away any MonkeyMade.



But it's gotta have a 9 square foot ground plane, right Brian?





Telstar Electronics December 29th 06 07:58 PM

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Scott in Baltimore wrote:
It does make me wonder how any coiled antenna (which is 1/4 wave uncoiled)
could be better then a full size quarter wave. The slight inductance at
the bottom can't help. Inductive reactance increases with frequency for
a given inductance. Why would you want a resistor in series with your
radiating element before the peak voltage is developed at the tip?


You're absolutely right... that loaded (coiled) antenna can't possibly
have the same performance. But people are easily fooled... and
impressed with big loops of aluminum and wild claims... LOL

www.telstar-electronics.com


777 December 31st 06 05:11 PM

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On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:21:28 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On 28 Dec 2006 15:54:15 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
s.com:

777 wrote:
Dont you use monkey made? Or are you still trying out the good ole
102" whip?


Nothin' to figure out... the 102 will blow away any MonkeyMade.



But it's gotta have a 9 square foot ground plane, right Brian?



Hahahahahaha LOL!!!
Happy New Year guys.......

Telstar Electronics January 1st 07 11:53 PM

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Frank Gilliland wrote:
But it's gotta have a 9 square foot ground plane, right Brian?


Correct... that should be the minimum area used.

www.telstar-electronics.com


U-Know-Who January 2nd 07 02:45 AM

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"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message
oups.com...
Frank Gilliland wrote:
But it's gotta have a 9 square foot ground plane, right Brian?


Correct... that should be the minimum area used.


Formula?



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Frank Gilliland January 2nd 07 02:53 AM

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On 1 Jan 2007 15:53:49 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
.com:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
But it's gotta have a 9 square foot ground plane, right Brian?


Correct... that should be the minimum area used.



LOL!!!





U-Know-Who January 2nd 07 03:01 AM

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"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message
oups.com...
Frank Gilliland wrote:
But it's gotta have a 9 square foot ground plane, right Brian?


Correct... that should be the minimum area used.

www.telstar-electronics.com



Ah yes, the elusive and little known 3 squared ratio for mobile 1/4 wave
antennas.



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Telstar Electronics January 2nd 07 12:53 PM

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U-Know-Who wrote:
Ah yes, the elusive and little known 3 squared ratio for mobile 1/4 wave
antennas.


No... just that anything smaller will not constitute a massive enough
plane to be of any use.

www.telstar-electronics.com


Frank Gilliland January 2nd 07 02:56 PM

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On 2 Jan 2007 04:53:09 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
om:

U-Know-Who wrote:
Ah yes, the elusive and little known 3 squared ratio for mobile 1/4 wave
antennas.


No... just that anything smaller will not constitute a massive enough
plane to be of any use.



ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!




U-Know-Who January 2nd 07 03:24 PM

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"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message
ps.com...
U-Know-Who wrote:
Ah yes, the elusive and little known 3 squared ratio for mobile 1/4 wave
antennas.


No... just that anything smaller will not constitute a massive enough
plane to be of any use.

www.telstar-electronics.com


So, ya reckon frequency has *any* bearing on this guess? What formula are
you using to come to this conclusion?



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Telstar Electronics January 3rd 07 06:16 PM

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U-Know-Who wrote:
So, ya reckon frequency has *any* bearing on this guess? What formula are
you using to come to this conclusion?


Sure it does... but remember that antenna thoery is quite complex. Not
sure there is any one formula for figuring this. The plane's size and
shape will have a large impact on radiation pattern... amoungst other
parameters.

What's new? Glad you asked...
http://www.telstar-electronics.com/d...s/WhatsNew.htm


Frank Gilliland January 4th 07 03:53 AM

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On 3 Jan 2007 10:16:42 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
.com:

U-Know-Who wrote:
So, ya reckon frequency has *any* bearing on this guess? What formula are
you using to come to this conclusion?


Sure it does... but remember that antenna thoery is quite complex....



Blah, blah, blah. You are starting to sound like Skippy with his "it's
part of a bigger picture" excuse. Stuff the BS and show the math, you
hack!




U-Know-Who January 4th 07 04:17 AM

VIPER ANTENNAS
 

"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message
oups.com...
U-Know-Who wrote:
So, ya reckon frequency has *any* bearing on this guess? What formula are
you using to come to this conclusion?


Sure it does... but remember that antenna thoery is quite complex. Not
sure there is any one formula for figuring this. The plane's size and
shape will have a large impact on radiation pattern... amoungst other
parameters.


So, you have decided that 9 square feet is about right based on what theory?
I've built yagi's, ground planes, collinear, dipoles, etc. I was just asking
you to back up your theory. This is not some cutting edge science that
cannot be verified with today's math. Please don't allow yourself to be
proven a blowhard again. You made the statement, back it up.



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Telstar Electronics January 4th 07 12:30 PM

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U-Know-Who wrote:
So, you have decided that 9 square feet is about right based on what theory?
I've built yagi's, ground planes, collinear, dipoles, etc. I was just asking
you to back up your theory. This is not some cutting edge science that
cannot be verified with today's math. Please don't allow yourself to be
proven a blowhard again. You made the statement, back it up.


I only said that a 3'x3' area of ground plane would be the minimum size
that I would recommend for such an installation. Never hinted there was
an exact formula to substantiate that recommendation.

What's new? Glad you asked...
http://www.telstar-electronics.com/d...s/WhatsNew.htm


Frank Gilliland January 4th 07 02:13 PM

VIPER ANTENNAS
 
On 4 Jan 2007 04:30:21 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
. com:

U-Know-Who wrote:
So, you have decided that 9 square feet is about right based on what theory?
I've built yagi's, ground planes, collinear, dipoles, etc. I was just asking
you to back up your theory. This is not some cutting edge science that
cannot be verified with today's math. Please don't allow yourself to be
proven a blowhard again. You made the statement, back it up.


I only said that a 3'x3' area of ground plane would be the minimum size
that I would recommend for such an installation. Never hinted there was
an exact formula to substantiate that recommendation.



Actually, there -is- an exact formula for the surface area of a ground
plane. And at 11m it's nowhere close to 3' x 3'.




Telstar Electronics January 4th 07 02:58 PM

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On Jan 4, 8:13 am, Frank Gilliland
wrote:
On 4 Jan 2007 04:30:21 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
. com:

U-Know-Who wrote:
So, you have decided that 9 square feet is about right based on what theory?
I've built yagi's, ground planes, collinear, dipoles, etc. I was just asking
you to back up your theory. This is not some cutting edge science that
cannot be verified with today's math. Please don't allow yourself to be
proven a blowhard again. You made the statement, back it up.


I only said that a 3'x3' area of ground plane would be the minimum size
that I would recommend for such an installation. Never hinted there was
an exact formula to substantiate that recommendation.Actually, there -is- an exact formula for the surface area of a ground

plane. And at 11m it's nowhere close to 3' x 3'.


Well don't just stand there Frank... what's the formula?

www.telstar-electronics.com


Frank Gilliland January 4th 07 05:32 PM

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On 4 Jan 2007 06:58:00 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
.com:



On Jan 4, 8:13 am, Frank Gilliland
wrote:
On 4 Jan 2007 04:30:21 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
. com:

U-Know-Who wrote:
So, you have decided that 9 square feet is about right based on what theory?
I've built yagi's, ground planes, collinear, dipoles, etc. I was just asking
you to back up your theory. This is not some cutting edge science that
cannot be verified with today's math. Please don't allow yourself to be
proven a blowhard again. You made the statement, back it up.


I only said that a 3'x3' area of ground plane would be the minimum size
that I would recommend for such an installation. Never hinted there was
an exact formula to substantiate that recommendation.Actually, there -is- an exact formula for the surface area of a ground

plane. And at 11m it's nowhere close to 3' x 3'.


Well don't just stand there Frank... what's the formula?



Don't you know? Aren't you an engineer?




Telstar Electronics January 4th 07 06:09 PM

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Frank, why don't you just say you made up the part about the formula...
LOL

www.telstar-electronics.com



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