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Timothy Midkiff February 8th 07 11:34 PM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
The truck has a 2.3L with no p/s or ac. I don't think it's coming from
the ignition due to no change in the noise during acceleration. When the
ignition is turned to the on position you can here the electric fuel
pump come on and quite. I am quite shure of the pump being my problem.
My question is this. If I just replace the fuel pump would the new one
be quiet you think? I'm guessing that the fuel pump is originally the
one that came with the truck.


I AmnotGeorgeBush February 9th 07 12:14 AM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
From: (Timothy*Midkiff)
The truck has a 2.3L with no p/s or ac. I don't


think it's coming from the ignition due to no


change in the noise during acceleration. When
the ignition is turned to the on position you can
here the electric fuel pump come on and quite.
I am quite shure of the pump being my


problem. My question is this. If I just replace


the fuel pump would the new one be quiet you
think? I'm guessing that the fuel pump is


originally the one that came with the truck.



Unplug the coax. If the noise goes away it's your antenna, but this
problem is a bit notorious of Ford trucks. Sometimes replacing the pump
works, sometimes it doesn't. There are various methods used to fix this
problem and just as many opinions. Sometimes inline filters work. There
have been aftermarket pumps installed meeting with some success.


Steveo February 9th 07 01:11 AM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
(Timothy Midkiff) wrote:
The truck has a 2.3L with no p/s or ac. I don't think it's coming from
the ignition due to no change in the noise during acceleration. When the
ignition is turned to the on position you can here the electric fuel
pump come on and quite. I am quite shure of the pump being my problem.
My question is this. If I just replace the fuel pump would the new one
be quiet you think? I'm guessing that the fuel pump is originally the
one that came with the truck.

IIRC Ford has had that problem almost forever since the advent of the
electric in-tank fuel-pump.

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John Doe February 9th 07 02:42 AM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
Try a .01mfd disc cap across the power leads at both ends of the Fuel pump
leads. If you got/get a copy of any ARRL handbook in your public library -
look for the section on mobile radios.

"Timothy Midkiff" wrote in message
...
The truck has a 2.3L with no p/s or ac. I don't think it's coming from
the ignition due to no change in the noise during acceleration. When the
ignition is turned to the on position you can here the electric fuel
pump come on and quite. I am quite shure of the pump being my problem.
My question is this. If I just replace the fuel pump would the new one
be quiet you think? I'm guessing that the fuel pump is originally the
one that came with the truck.




Paul Johnson February 9th 07 03:45 AM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
Steveo wrote:

(Timothy Midkiff) wrote:
The truck has a 2.3L with no p/s or ac. I don't think it's coming from
the ignition due to no change in the noise during acceleration. When the
ignition is turned to the on position you can here the electric fuel
pump come on and quite. I am quite shure of the pump being my problem.
My question is this. If I just replace the fuel pump would the new one
be quiet you think? I'm guessing that the fuel pump is originally the
one that came with the truck.

IIRC Ford has had that problem almost forever since the advent of the
electric in-tank fuel-pump.


I'm kind of leaning towards bad ground. Run the CB's negative to something
well-grounded like a bolt on the frame if possible. Did that with a 2001
Ford Ranger my roommate used to have and it got rid of the noise.

Another possibility if the truck turns out to have poor grounding in general
(such as my mid-90's Kia Sportage) is go with the best ground you can
reasonably get to and use something like the Ranger RCI 2950 and run it
with ANL/NB turned on and get good at reflexively adjusting the RF gain.


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Timothy Midkiff February 9th 07 03:52 AM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
Yea, when I unplug the antenna the noise goes away completely. I have
only used one antenna on the truck since I bought it like 6 months ago.
I put on a Wilson 500. I didn't have this type of noise in the cavalier
that blowed up on me. I believe I will try a new fuel pump to see what
that will do, I don't think I'll try the capacitor until last resort do
to the fact I'm pretty good at screwing up. The cb was talking threw the
car stereo at first. I bought a little noise filter for like a stereo
that went on the power line and cleaned the grounding place real good.
Lucky I guess that that problem seemed to go away. What do you think of
the idea that perhaps cleaning the ground up real good for the fuel
pump? All I almost forgot about the wipers. If I need the wipers I just
turn off the cb the noise is so bad. Up in the red. Any experience
dealing with a similar problem like this before?


Telstar Electronics February 9th 07 11:16 AM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
On Feb 8, 6:14 pm, (I AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:
Unplug the coax. If the noise goes away it's your antenna, but this
problem is a bit notorious of Ford trucks. Sometimes replacing the pump
works, sometimes it doesn't. There are various methods used to fix this
problem and just as many opinions. Sometimes inline filters work. There
have been aftermarket pumps installed meeting with some success.


If you unplug the antenna... and the noise goes away... that doesn't
mean it's the antenna that's causing your problem!

www.telstar-electronics.com


Twistedhed February 9th 07 03:53 PM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
From: (Telstar*Electronics)
On Feb 8, 6:14 pm, (I AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:
Unplug the coax. If the noise goes away it's your antenna, but this
problem is a bit notorious of Ford trucks. Sometimes replacing the pump
works, sometimes it doesn't. There are various methods used to fix this
problem and just as many opinions. Sometimes inline filters work. There
have been aftermarket pumps installed meeting with some success.

If you unplug the antenna... and the noise


goes away... that doesn't


mean it's the antenna that's causing your


problem!


www.telstar-electronics.com

It damn sure means the source of noise is coming through the antenna or
coax feedline and eliminates the fuel pump as the source of the noise.


Frank Gilliland February 9th 07 07:56 PM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:52:02 -0500, (Timothy
Midkiff) wrote in :

Yea, when I unplug the antenna the noise goes away completely. I have
only used one antenna on the truck since I bought it like 6 months ago.
I put on a Wilson 500......



Dorfs are notorious for brush noise in the system from their electric
motors. It's just like TV interference from vacuum cleaners or kitchen
appliances. About the only way to eliminate the noise is by putting a
filter cap on every offending motor. Or swap the truck for an S10 or
Dakota.




Scott in Baltimore February 10th 07 09:53 AM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
Paul Johnson wrote:
Steveo wrote:

(Timothy Midkiff) wrote:
The truck has a 2.3L with no p/s or ac. I don't think it's coming from
the ignition due to no change in the noise during acceleration. When the
ignition is turned to the on position you can here the electric fuel
pump come on and quite. I am quite shure of the pump being my problem.
My question is this. If I just replace the fuel pump would the new one
be quiet you think? I'm guessing that the fuel pump is originally the
one that came with the truck.

IIRC Ford has had that problem almost forever since the advent of the
electric in-tank fuel-pump.


I'm kind of leaning towards bad ground. Run the CB's negative to something
well-grounded like a bolt on the frame if possible. Did that with a 2001
Ford Ranger my roommate used to have and it got rid of the noise.


And connect the chassis to the frame to the battery...

Those ground straps and their connections go bad!


Another possibility if the truck turns out to have poor grounding in general
(such as my mid-90's Kia Sportage) is go with the best ground you can
reasonably get to and use something like the Ranger RCI 2950 and run it
with ANL/NB turned on and get good at reflexively adjusting the RF gain.



Any sideband radio has better filters then an AM only radio.

Jay in the Mojave February 10th 07 01:06 PM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
Hello All:

Yeah Scott is right here. In my Ford Truck I connected the Battery
Ground to the fender, then ran a braid wire to the firewall, and then to
the Hood. That made a big difference, in reducing RF Hash Noises from
the Ignition System.

Jay in the Mojave


Scott in Baltimore wrote:


And connect the chassis to the frame to the battery...

Those ground straps and their connections go bad!


Any sideband radio has better filters then an AM only radio.


Telstar Electronics February 11th 07 02:24 PM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
On Feb 10, 7:06 am, Jay in the Mojave wrote:
Hello All:

Yeah Scott is right here. In my Ford Truck I connected the Battery
Ground to the fender, then ran a braid wire to the firewall, and then to
the Hood. That made a big difference, in reducing RF Hash Noises from
the Ignition System.

Jay in the Mojave



Scott in Baltimore wrote:
And connect the chassis to the frame to the battery...


Those ground straps and their connections go bad!
Any sideband radio has better filters then an AM only radio.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Jay, Mr. Faraday would be proud of you.

www.telstar-electronics.com


Jay in the Mojave February 11th 07 03:00 PM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
Hello TE:

I don't think Mr. Faraday had anything to do with it. Is that guy on
channel 12, and goes by Fright Hauler? Has a Cobra 148 and Texas Star
500, and has duel whip antennas?!?!?!

Well anyway grounding the fender, firewall, and hood was a significant
improvement in reducing the ignition noise. I also ran new shielded
wiring for the Ignition Modular, and that didn't help as much. Oh yeah I
also added on copper tape (from the TRW Swap Meet) applied a 1/2 inch
width of the copper tape every 3 to 4 inches on the center distributor
wire, this was also a big help.

I have a Motorola Radio in the Truck, and its has a really neat noise
canceling circuit in it.

And another noise reduction idea, would be a Clear Speech External
Speaker with DSP Noise Reduction. Yeahs its 200 dollars, but if ya want
to play ya gotto pay.

I know guys fight the noise coming from a noise fuel pump in the plastic
gas tank. I would wrap the plastic tank with wire, and add in a power
lead filter.

Jay in the Great Mojave Desert, ....just down the road ah ways from the
fillin station.




Telstar Electronics wrote:
On Feb 10, 7:06 am, Jay in the Mojave wrote:

Hello All:

Yeah Scott is right here. In my Ford Truck I connected the Battery
Ground to the fender, then ran a braid wire to the firewall, and then to
the Hood. That made a big difference, in reducing RF Hash Noises from
the Ignition System.

Jay in the Mojave



Scott in Baltimore wrote:

And connect the chassis to the frame to the battery...


Those ground straps and their connections go bad!
Any sideband radio has better filters then an AM only radio.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -



Jay, Mr. Faraday would be proud of you.

www.telstar-electronics.com


Jay in the Mojave February 11th 07 03:27 PM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/rficar.html

hope this helps.

Jay in the Mojave

Frank Gilliland February 11th 07 08:58 PM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:00:31 -0800, Jay in the Mojave
wrote in :

Hello TE:

I don't think Mr. Faraday had anything to do with it. Is that guy on
channel 12, and goes by Fright Hauler? Has a Cobra 148 and Texas Star
500, and has duel whip antennas?!?!?!

Well anyway grounding the fender, firewall, and hood was a significant
improvement in reducing the ignition noise. I also ran new shielded
wiring for the Ignition Modular, and that didn't help as much. Oh yeah I
also added on copper tape (from the TRW Swap Meet) applied a 1/2 inch
width of the copper tape every 3 to 4 inches on the center distributor
wire, this was also a big help.

I have a Motorola Radio in the Truck, and its has a really neat noise
canceling circuit in it.

And another noise reduction idea, would be a Clear Speech External
Speaker with DSP Noise Reduction. Yeahs its 200 dollars, but if ya want
to play ya gotto pay.

I know guys fight the noise coming from a noise fuel pump in the plastic
gas tank. I would wrap the plastic tank with wire, and add in a power
lead filter.



Just get a different truck. Then you won't have to deal with the
bass-ackwards electrical system, the characteristic cancer above the
fender wells, rebuilding the CV joints on the dual I-beams (a major
PITA), or that annoying and mysterious 'clunk' that sometimes appears
after 100k or so.




GooRu February 12th 07 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timothy Midkiff
The truck has a 2.3L with no p/s or ac. I don't think it's coming from
the ignition due to no change in the noise during acceleration. When the
ignition is turned to the on position you can here the electric fuel
pump come on and quite. I am quite shure of the pump being my problem.
My question is this. If I just replace the fuel pump would the new one
be quiet you think? I'm guessing that the fuel pump is originally the
one that came with the truck.

Tim,
JMO now, but sounds like u have a bad ground on your system... This will cause all sorts of AC noise in the electrical sys.. Try grounding your ant bracket, especially if its mounted on the chrome tool boxes.. It not the alluiminum thats the problem its the chrome plating.. You have to run a ground , Directly from the bracket to Ground on bed etc... Hope this was helpful... Good Dx'n

GooRu

Scott in Baltimore February 12th 07 06:56 AM

GR5000 Antennas
 
The best antenna is a Interceptor 10K from Jay!

http://www.a1antennas.com/

Timothy Midkiff February 12th 07 07:22 PM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
Yea, Thank you for the article on the noise problems. As well as the
opinions. I know from having both a S-10 a long time ago and owning a
Ranger now that the Ford is way worse on noise. The needle was running
on the quiet side of no less than a 5 ever. Now I have it down to 2
threw 2.5 when it's all quiet. Soon as this weather decides what its
going to do here in WV I'm going to try to get things done to quiet it
down further. I appreciate it. TY


DJboutit February 12th 07 07:26 PM

GR5000 Antennas
 
Enforcer Base by MR Coily is the best antenna its pricey at about $450
http://www.angelfire.com/psy/mrcoily/id10.htm



Steveo February 12th 07 10:09 PM

GR5000 Antennas
 
"DJboutit" wrote:
Enforcer Base by MR Coily is the best antenna its pricey at about $450
http://www.angelfire.com/psy/mrcoily/id10.htm

That looks like a competition mobile antenna.

As Scott said, here's the best 10/11M omni base antenna on the market
today.

Interceptor 10K
http://www.a1antennas.com/

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Scott in Baltimore February 14th 07 11:04 AM

GR5000 Antennas
 
DJboutit wrote:
Enforcer Base by MR Coily is the best antenna its pricey at about $450


Overpriced. A fool and his money are soon parted.


There is no way I want a coil at the base of my antenna. Coils choke
the current. Coils should be at the top of an antenna. Jay's antenna
has no power wasting coils in the base. On the contrary, Jay's
antenna transfers more power to the antenna then with lossy
matching methods, like a coil at the base of an antenna.

My mobile CB antenna is a Firestik KW-7. The coil is at the top.
I can talk anywhere I hear with two MRF455's. I do 120 watt peaks.
I get out just as far as I did with the 667, use less current and
don't wipe out people I can't hear with a 2 pill biased box.

Paul Johnson February 21st 07 05:22 AM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
Scott in Baltimore wrote:

Paul Johnson wrote:
Steveo wrote:

(Timothy Midkiff) wrote:
The truck has a 2.3L with no p/s or ac. I don't think it's coming from
the ignition due to no change in the noise during acceleration. When
the ignition is turned to the on position you can here the electric
fuel pump come on and quite. I am quite shure of the pump being my
problem. My question is this. If I just replace the fuel pump would the
new one be quiet you think? I'm guessing that the fuel pump is
originally the one that came with the truck.

IIRC Ford has had that problem almost forever since the advent of the
electric in-tank fuel-pump.


I'm kind of leaning towards bad ground. Run the CB's negative to
something
well-grounded like a bolt on the frame if possible. Did that with a 2001
Ford Ranger my roommate used to have and it got rid of the noise.


And connect the chassis to the frame to the battery...

Those ground straps and their connections go bad!


I'm not convinced either vehicle mentioned (mine or my former roommate's)
ever had a good ground to start with.

Another possibility if the truck turns out to have poor grounding in
general (such as my mid-90's Kia Sportage) is go with the best ground you
can reasonably get to and use something like the Ranger RCI 2950 and run
it with ANL/NB turned on and get good at reflexively adjusting the RF
gain.


Any sideband radio has better filters then an AM only radio.


I question that assertion. I had been running a detachable-face Midland job
that had sideband and that thing was noisy as all get-go on that.


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Telstar Electronics February 22nd 07 07:02 PM

CB noise in ford ranger
 
Try a .01mfd disc cap across the power leads at both ends of the Fuel pump
leads. If you got/get a copy of any ARRL handbook in your public library -
look for the section on mobile radios.


Unfortunately, the cap will do little without something to work
against. A choke would be a nice addition to this filter.

http://www.telstar-electronics.com/d...evelopment.htm



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