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Power Line Noise
Hello All:
I thought you all might like to hear how i got rid of some major power line noise. The local cb'ers, hams and I have always had severe power line noises. Any where from below the AM Broadcast Band into the VHF Hi Band. Calls to the power company went in vain. From all the kings men and horses. Well after one good call to the power company accusing them of purposely installing noisey power grid system, and having Aligns from the planet Cone Head work for them, I hung up in discuss. Saturday morning I woke up to the Rosters Call, at about 5 AM, the alarm clock was dead no lights no power! I turned on the scanner near the bed, yep no power! The house is a little cold but livable with a jacket. My emergency back up no **** flashlight is deader then flatten snails in the driveway. Oh good! I turn on my battery operated shortwave radio, runs off 115 VAC or D Cell Batteries. Nothing about anyone loosing power or any major power grid problems off the radio.... So I get the bright ideaer to drive around and see all who ain't got power. A few mins later I realize its just my street and all the rest of the streets have power to the tower. Looking to where my street high voltage lines hook up to the main high voltage wires down the street, I see the Circuit Breaker Coily looking thing dangling a wire about a foot long, indicating the circuit breakers blew open, both of them. Then I am thinking one of the step down transformers must have shorted or blown up, or something went real wrong, on my street. Or someone has a Dooms Day Linear and I don't know about it! On my old phone (doesn't need wall power to work) calling the power company. Then I notice the power company out there with a crew of guys working the power lines, I hang up not wanting to listen to the power company machine answering system any more. These guys removed and replaced 3 step down transformers, and added in a very large high voltage capacitor across the high voltage lines. As power was turned on about 10 AM, I turned on the radios, man what a clean NO noise reception. Usually hearing a S3 to S6 noise level, now the S meter sets on Zero. I could hear a electric fence in the background there somewhere. Stations from Los Angles where now heard in the clear. 160, 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 11 meters had no noise! Bitchen! The point off all this is, Its a good call to know the circuit your on, that is the high voltage run, the highest wires that feed the large pole transformers that step down the 14 KV VAC power to 220 VAC for house use. If you know how its laid out you can drive around and sample noise levels. As the other streets didn't have the noise, just my street. Just the one little system of high voltage run was noisy than all get out. But now is super quiet. Not real hard to make a map of the different high voltage circuits in a neighborhood. Jay in the Mojave |
Power Line Noise
Jay in the Mojave wrote:
Hello All: I thought you all might like to hear how i got rid of some major power line noise. snip for brevity Hello Jay: It's nice to have that noise gone out of your ears no doubt. What will you do with BPL? Is that really gonna happen? -- http://NewsReader.Com/ |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:28:30 -0700, Jay in the Mojave
wrote: Hello All: I thought you all might like to hear how i got rid of some major power line noise. congrats "one useless man is disgrace 2 become a law firm 3 or more become a congress" adams woger you are a Congress all in your own head http://kb9rqz.bravejournal.com/ and get ou the newly recovered KB9RQZ.blogspot.com as well G -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Steveo" wrote in message ... Jay in the Mojave wrote: Hello All: I thought you all might like to hear how i got rid of some major power line noise. snip for brevity Hello Jay: It's nice to have that noise gone out of your ears no doubt. What will you do with BPL? Is that really gonna happen? Yes. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:01:47 -0500, "BPL is Your Friend"
wrote: | |"Steveo" wrote in message ... | Jay in the Mojave wrote: | Hello All: | | I thought you all might like to hear how i got rid of some major power | line noise. | | | snip for brevity | | Hello Jay: | | It's nice to have that noise gone out of your ears no doubt. What will you | do with BPL? Is that really gonna happen? |Yes. |------------ You got to be kidding? james |
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"BPL is Your Friend" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message ... Jay in the Mojave wrote: Hello All: I thought you all might like to hear how i got rid of some major power line noise. snip for brevity Hello Jay: It's nice to have that noise gone out of your ears no doubt. What will you do with BPL? Is that really gonna happen? Yes. It won't be a problem for you, lloyd. -- http://NewsReader.Com/ |
Power Line Noise
Steveo wrote:
Jay in the Mojave wrote: Hello All: I thought you all might like to hear how i got rid of some major power line noise. snip for brevity Hello Jay: It's nice to have that noise gone out of your ears no doubt. What will you do with BPL? Is that really gonna happen? Hello Steveo: I don't really think so. Its ****ing in the wind technology. Its a add on goof ball scheme, that getting more attention then BPL has done good. Anytime you modify a system for something other than it was designed for your going to run into big problems. Right off the Bat the ARRL is measuring the RF Signal/Interference levels from BPL and even sueing the FCC over all this. Look at http:www.arrl.org for more details. A power grid system has a number of maintenance crew who keep it running. What are the equipment, installation, training, test equipment, maintenance costs? And they are going to compete in a home internet sever business, that get $9.98 a house? And what about the nut balls that are going to shoot out the BPL equipment, and then mistake a brand new transformer like I got, for BPL equipment? Oh man! What about near by interference from a ham or cb operator, you know some of the boys run pretty impressive steam. With new fiber optics and who know what else is coming that is new and will pass high speed electrons even faster that the Fiber Optics pass photons. Maybe even a wireless system will be put into use. I found it kind of funny reading some of the material on BPL, kind of like some of those guys all ready have their mind made up before its all up and running. Any new design must be tested and under real world conditions, like noisy transformers, lightening, drunks running into telephone poles, High Voltage leaking into their equipment, rain, snow high winds with ice, Ham Radio Mucho Power Inc types, and a bunch of other things. If the countries power grids are in bad shape I'd say that even makes things worst. Remember the power outage in NY City a while back. They will have state and federal authorities breathing down their necks with more power outages. I would list BPL, in with the Edsel, Probation, X wives, ****ing into the wind, flat spare tires, morse code learning tapes, AOL, Lead Paint, quick sand, trusting polications, 9th grade european history, losing your car keys, having nut cake hackers copy your computer data over BPL to buy them a new car, Ordering new LMR 400 coax and getting date code 1968 Radio Shack RG58C coax, buying that new linear off E-Bay and only measuring 125 watts out after the guy told you it would do 550 watts on his Mickey Mouse Dorsey CB'er guy wish watt meter, and much more. Jay in the Mojave |
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Jay in the Mojave wrote:
Steveo wrote: Jay in the Mojave wrote: Hello All: I thought you all might like to hear how i got rid of some major power line noise. snip for brevity Hello Jay: It's nice to have that noise gone out of your ears no doubt. What will you do with BPL? Is that really gonna happen? Hello Steveo: I don't really think so. Its ****ing in the wind technology. Its a add on goof ball scheme, that getting more attention then BPL has done good. Anytime you modify a system for something other than it was designed for your going to run into big problems. Right off the Bat the ARRL is measuring the RF Signal/Interference levels from BPL and even sueing the FCC over all this. Look at http:www.arrl.org for more details. A power grid system has a number of maintenance crew who keep it running. What are the equipment, installation, training, test equipment, maintenance costs? And they are going to compete in a home internet sever business, that get $9.98 a house? And what about the nut balls that are going to shoot out the BPL equipment, and then mistake a brand new transformer like I got, for BPL equipment? Oh man! What about near by interference from a ham or cb operator, you know some of the boys run pretty impressive steam. With new fiber optics and who know what else is coming that is new and will pass high speed electrons even faster that the Fiber Optics pass photons. Maybe even a wireless system will be put into use. I found it kind of funny reading some of the material on BPL, kind of like some of those guys all ready have their mind made up before its all up and running. Any new design must be tested and under real world conditions, like noisy transformers, lightening, drunks running into telephone poles, High Voltage leaking into their equipment, rain, snow high winds with ice, Ham Radio Mucho Power Inc types, and a bunch of other things. If the countries power grids are in bad shape I'd say that even makes things worst. Remember the power outage in NY City a while back. They will have state and federal authorities breathing down their necks with more power outages. I would list BPL, in with the Edsel, Probation, X wives, ****ing into the wind, flat spare tires, morse code learning tapes, AOL, Lead Paint, quick sand, trusting polications, 9th grade european history, losing your car keys, having nut cake hackers copy your computer data over BPL to buy them a new car, Ordering new LMR 400 coax and getting date code 1968 Radio Shack RG58C coax, buying that new linear off E-Bay and only measuring 125 watts out after the guy told you it would do 550 watts on his Mickey Mouse Dorsey CB'er guy wish watt meter, and much more. Jay in the Mojave Hello Jay Oh man you got long winded that time and it got better with every sentence/paragraph. I hope you're right about the flat spare tire BPL analogy. It boils down to how much cash can they pocket from it and to hell with the amateur radio enthusiast complaining about it. I understand it sounds like a bee hive in your ear. -- http://NewsReader.Com/ |
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Hello Steveo:
"Steveo" I understand it sounds like a bee hive in your ear. Look at: http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/ Theres all kinds of good stuff there on BPL Jay in the Mojave |
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Ok a hole lot more in here in the power line system noise issue.
A local ham that has a rather impressive antenna farm here just down the raod, and one street over from me, I have early morning coffee at the local due drop Inn with a few of the boys. So that Dx Frequencies, Ham radio and CB things can be hashed out. You would have to be there I guess to get the full jest. I asked him to listen in on all the ham bands and see if there was any less noise on the bands, since the the power company fixed my street bad power transformers. He called me up after coffee section, and invited me over for a listen in to 20, 15, and 10 meters. He has all these mono beams up on those bands. We could hear DX Stations rolling in and around 14.200 Mc, on his older Yasue FT1000 Radio, with no noise holding up the S-meter. But we did hear inbetween the stations way off lightening, and a different type of noise you hear when the band is kind of open. This was great to hear a noise free radio, and not just mine. So the power company fix really worked great! We listened in on 15, 10, and 11 meters very quiet, no power line noise. We now wanted the bands to open up, and let the skip condations and DX to run. Jay in the Mojave "Jay in the Mojave" wrote in message ... Hello Steveo: "Steveo" I understand it sounds like a bee hive in your ear. Look at: http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/ Theres all kinds of good stuff there on BPL Jay in the Mojave |
Power Line Noise
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:36:40 -0700, "Jay in the Mojave"
wrote: Ok a hole lot more in here in the power line system noise issue. A local ham that has a rather impressive antenna farm here just down the raod, and one street over from me, I have early morning coffee at the local due drop Inn with a few of the boys. So that Dx Frequencies, Ham radio and CB things can be hashed out. You would have to be there I guess to get the full jest. I asked him to listen in on all the ham bands and see if there was any less noise on the bands, since the the power company fixed my street bad power transformers. He called me up after coffee section, and invited me over for a listen in to 20, 15, and 10 meters. He has all these mono beams up on those bands. We could hear DX Stations rolling in and around 14.200 Mc, on his older Yasue FT1000 Radio, with no noise holding up the S-meter. But we did hear inbetween the stations way off lightening, and a different type of noise you hear when the band is kind of open. This was great to hear a noise free radio, and not just mine. So the power company fix really worked great! We listened in on 15, 10, and 11 meters very quiet, no power line noise. We now wanted the bands to open up, and let the skip condations and DX to run. Jay in the Mojave absolutely outstanding man truly congrats "one useless man is disgrace 2 become a law firm 3 or more become a congress" adams woger you are a Congress all in your own head http://kb9rqz.bravejournal.com/ and get ou the newly recovered KB9RQZ.blogspot.com as well G -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Power Line Noise
Jay in the Mojave wrote: Steveo wrote: Jay in the Mojave wrote: Hello All: I thought you all might like to hear how i got rid of some major power line noise. snip for brevity Hello Jay: It's nice to have that noise gone out of your ears no doubt. What will you do with BPL? Is that really gonna happen? Hello Steveo: I don't really think so. Its ****ing in the wind technology. Its a add on goof ball scheme, that getting more attention then BPL has done good. Anytime you modify a system for something other than it was designed for your going to run into big problems. Right off the Bat the ARRL is measuring the RF Signal/Interference levels from BPL and even sueing the FCC over all this. Look at http:www.arrl.org for more details. A power grid system has a number of maintenance crew who keep it running. What are the equipment, installation, training, test equipment, maintenance costs? And they are going to compete in a home internet sever business, that get $9.98 a house? And what about the nut balls that are going to shoot out the BPL equipment, and then mistake a brand new transformer like I got, for BPL equipment? Oh man! What about near by interference from a ham or cb operator, you know some of the boys run pretty impressive steam. With new fiber optics and who know what else is coming that is new and will pass high speed electrons even faster that the Fiber Optics pass photons. Maybe even a wireless system will be put into use. I doubt the speed of light will be passed. There is latentcy yes but nothing is faster. I found it kind of funny reading some of the material on BPL, kind of like some of those guys all ready have their mind made up before its all up and running. Any new design must be tested and under real world conditions, like noisy transformers, lightening, drunks running into telephone poles, High Voltage leaking into their equipment, rain, snow high winds with ice, Ham Radio Mucho Power Inc types, and a bunch of other things. If the countries power grids are in bad shape I'd say that even makes things worst. Remember the power outage in NY City a while back. They will have state and federal authorities breathing down their necks with more power outages. That power outage was caused by a bad line near Cleveland. I would list BPL, in with the Edsel, Probation, X wives, ****ing into the wind, flat spare tires, morse code learning tapes, AOL, Lead Paint, quick sand, trusting polications, 9th grade european history, losing your car keys, having nut cake hackers copy your computer data over BPL to buy them a new car, Ordering new LMR 400 coax and getting date code 1968 Radio Shack RG58C coax, buying that new linear off E-Bay and only measuring 125 watts out after the guy told you it would do 550 watts on his Mickey Mouse Dorsey CB'er guy wish watt meter, and much more. Jay in the Mojave |
Power Line Noise
"Jay in the Mojave" wrote:
Hello Steveo: "Steveo" I understand it sounds like a bee hive in your ear. Look at: http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/ Theres all kinds of good stuff there on BPL Jay in the Mojave I hope there's no money in it after the other provider competition. **** BPL. -- http://NewsReader.Com/ |
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Hello All:
Ok I got a few e-mails on this thread, asking for more info and such. The ARRL sells a exellent book called "The ARRL RFI Book" this book is quit a improvement to the first edition. See: http://www.arrl.org/catalog/6834/ More than likly sold at HRO and AES, and others. HRO is at http://www.hamradio.com/cgi-bin/uncg...MAX=150&OPT=on look at book number 116 AES is at: http://www.aesham.com/home.shtml Jay in the Mojave "Jay in the Mojave" wrote in message ... Hello All: I thought you all might like to hear how i got rid of some major power line noise. The local cb'ers, hams and I have always had severe power line noises. Any where from below the AM Broadcast Band into the VHF Hi Band. Calls to the power company went in vain. From all the kings men and horses. Well after one good call to the power company accusing them of purposely installing noisey power grid system, and having Aligns from the planet Cone Head work for them, I hung up in discuss. Saturday morning I woke up to the Rosters Call, at about 5 AM, the alarm clock was dead no lights no power! I turned on the scanner near the bed, yep no power! The house is a little cold but livable with a jacket. My emergency back up no **** flashlight is deader then flatten snails in the driveway. Oh good! I turn on my battery operated shortwave radio, runs off 115 VAC or D Cell Batteries. Nothing about anyone loosing power or any major power grid problems off the radio.... So I get the bright ideaer to drive around and see all who ain't got power. A few mins later I realize its just my street and all the rest of the streets have power to the tower. Looking to where my street high voltage lines hook up to the main high voltage wires down the street, I see the Circuit Breaker Coily looking thing dangling a wire about a foot long, indicating the circuit breakers blew open, both of them. Then I am thinking one of the step down transformers must have shorted or blown up, or something went real wrong, on my street. Or someone has a Dooms Day Linear and I don't know about it! On my old phone (doesn't need wall power to work) calling the power company. Then I notice the power company out there with a crew of guys working the power lines, I hang up not wanting to listen to the power company machine answering system any more. These guys removed and replaced 3 step down transformers, and added in a very large high voltage capacitor across the high voltage lines. As power was turned on about 10 AM, I turned on the radios, man what a clean NO noise reception. Usually hearing a S3 to S6 noise level, now the S meter sets on Zero. I could hear a electric fence in the background there somewhere. Stations from Los Angles where now heard in the clear. 160, 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 11 meters had no noise! Bitchen! The point off all this is, Its a good call to know the circuit your on, that is the high voltage run, the highest wires that feed the large pole transformers that step down the 14 KV VAC power to 220 VAC for house use. If you know how its laid out you can drive around and sample noise levels. As the other streets didn't have the noise, just my street. Just the one little system of high voltage run was noisy than all get out. But now is super quiet. Not real hard to make a map of the different high voltage circuits in a neighborhood. Jay in the Mojave |
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Steveo wrote:
Jay in the Mojave wrote: Steveo wrote: Jay in the Mojave wrote: Hello All: I thought you all might like to hear how i got rid of some major power line noise. snip for brevity Hello Jay: It's nice to have that noise gone out of your ears no doubt. What will you do with BPL? Is that really gonna happen? Hello Steveo: I don't really think so. Its ****ing in the wind technology. Its a add on goof ball scheme, that getting more attention then BPL has done good. Anytime you modify a system for something other than it was designed for your going to run into big problems. Right off the Bat the ARRL is measuring the RF Signal/Interference levels from BPL and even sueing the FCC over all this. Look at http:www.arrl.org for more details. A power grid system has a number of maintenance crew who keep it running. What are the equipment, installation, training, test equipment, maintenance costs? And they are going to compete in a home internet sever business, that get $9.98 a house? And what about the nut balls that are going to shoot out the BPL equipment, and then mistake a brand new transformer like I got, for BPL equipment? Oh man! What about near by interference from a ham or cb operator, you know some of the boys run pretty impressive steam. With new fiber optics and who know what else is coming that is new and will pass high speed electrons even faster that the Fiber Optics pass photons. Maybe even a wireless system will be put into use. I found it kind of funny reading some of the material on BPL, kind of like some of those guys all ready have their mind made up before its all up and running. Any new design must be tested and under real world conditions, like noisy transformers, lightening, drunks running into telephone poles, High Voltage leaking into their equipment, rain, snow high winds with ice, Ham Radio Mucho Power Inc types, and a bunch of other things. If the countries power grids are in bad shape I'd say that even makes things worst. Remember the power outage in NY City a while back. They will have state and federal authorities breathing down their necks with more power outages. I would list BPL, in with the Edsel, Probation, X wives, ****ing into the wind, flat spare tires, morse code learning tapes, AOL, Lead Paint, quick sand, trusting polications, 9th grade european history, losing your car keys, having nut cake hackers copy your computer data over BPL to buy them a new car, Ordering new LMR 400 coax and getting date code 1968 Radio Shack RG58C coax, buying that new linear off E-Bay and only measuring 125 watts out after the guy told you it would do 550 watts on his Mickey Mouse Dorsey CB'er guy wish watt meter, and much more. Jay in the Mojave Hello Jay Oh man you got long winded that time and it got better with every sentence/paragraph. I hope you're right about the flat spare tire BPL analogy. It boils down to how much cash can they pocket from it and to hell with the amateur radio enthusiast complaining about it. I understand it sounds like a bee hive in your ear. Hello Steveo: Look at http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/ Click on Description of BPL equipment and its characterstics Hole bunch of good stuff on BPl there. Jay in the Mojave |
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Jay in the Mojave wrote:
snip Hello Steveo: Look at http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/ Click on Description of BPL equipment and its characterstics Hole bunch of good stuff on BPl there. Jay in the Mojave Hi Jay, I don't see anything good about bpl, but I have cable so perhaps I'm not a good comparison to someone that only has electric lines someplace. I will try to *aim* some nasty **** at the bpl as much as I can if it comes anyplace near me. (i get the feeling i won't be the only one from what i hear on the air) |
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Yo Mamma wrote:
... BPL would work great, if the electric utility industry didn't seem to think maintenance was an option. As it stands now, most transmission and distribution providers are starving the maintenance departments to provide higher returns for the stockholders. Fine and dandy if you are waiting on a storm to come to you and provide write-offs to rebuild your infrastructure. Not so good if you want to provide good internet service. BPL is not a viable option on a large scale...with the state of the industry now. Your crystal ball seems broken ... http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/sho...leID=202400285 JS |
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"Yo Mamma" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message ... Jay in the Mojave wrote: snip Hello Steveo: Look at http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/ Click on Description of BPL equipment and its characterstics Hole bunch of good stuff on BPl there. Jay in the Mojave Hi Jay, I don't see anything good about bpl, but I have cable so perhaps I'm not a good comparison to someone that only has electric lines someplace. I will try to *aim* some nasty **** at the bpl as much as I can if it comes anyplace near me. (i get the feeling i won't be the only one from what i hear on the air) BPL would work great, if the electric utility industry didn't seem to think maintenance was an option. As it stands now, most transmission and distribution providers are starving the maintenance departments to provide higher returns for the stockholders. Fine and dandy if you are waiting on a storm to come to you and provide write-offs to rebuild your infrastructure. Not so good if you want to provide good internet service. BPL is not a viable option on a large scale...with the state of the industry now. Aim noise ask questions later. |
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Yo Mamma wrote:
... As well as does your ability to comprehend what continent I live on and am speaking about...not to mention that I work in the industry. Lots of things have been tried through the years that did not come to fruition. Some things do. A case in point...some said Europeans would not be able to understand the Internet. They were wrong. I will not be. Now we are stuck with Europeans spewing links with no understanding of what they mean. You must have worked an assembly line "in the industry." (Maybe just stood outside the door and panhandled for bottles ...) Go back to college and take an english class or two ... JS |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:50:47 -0700, John Smith
wrote: |Yo Mamma wrote: | | ... | BPL would work great, if the electric utility industry didn't seem to think | maintenance was an option. As it stands now, most transmission and | distribution providers are starving the maintenance departments to provide | higher returns for the stockholders. Fine and dandy if you are waiting on a | storm to come to you and provide write-offs to rebuild your infrastructure. | Not so good if you want to provide good internet service. BPL is not a | viable option on a large scale...with the state of the industry now. | |Your crystal ball seems broken ... | |http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/sho...leID=202400285 | |JS | |------------------ Just because there is a standard does not mean it will be a major player in the broadband business. ALl I gleen from this article is that there are now two competing proposals for a standard. Still BPL has major hurdles to overcome in that telcos like Verizon, as well as cable providers, are converting their distribution lines from copper to fiber. Fiber offers superior advantages over copper and even power lines for transmission of broadband data. The major advantage of BPL is that nearly 100% of homes in the US are already penetrated with power lines. Cable is at about 75% level and telcos are at about 95% level. That is what they are banking on that the power lines are already to the house. No added infrastructure in transmission lines has to be deployed. Only equiptment that is a rather significant cost factor in rolling out BPL. For me I would take fiber any day over BPL. james |
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wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:50:47 -0700, John Smith wrote: |Yo Mamma wrote: | | ... | BPL would work great, if the electric utility industry didn't seem to | think maintenance was an option. As it stands now, most transmission | and distribution providers are starving the maintenance departments to | provide higher returns for the stockholders. Fine and dandy if you are | waiting on a storm to come to you and provide write-offs to rebuild | your infrastructure. Not so good if you want to provide good internet | service. BPL is not a viable option on a large scale...with the state | of the industry now. | |Your crystal ball seems broken ... | |http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/sho...leID=202400285 | |JS | |------------------ Just because there is a standard does not mean it will be a major player in the broadband business. ALl I gleen from this article is that there are now two competing proposals for a standard. Still BPL has major hurdles to overcome in that telcos like Verizon, as well as cable providers, are converting their distribution lines from copper to fiber. Fiber offers superior advantages over copper and even power lines for transmission of broadband data. The major advantage of BPL is that nearly 100% of homes in the US are already penetrated with power lines. Cable is at about 75% level and telcos are at about 95% level. That is what they are banking on that the power lines are already to the house. No added infrastructure in transmission lines has to be deployed. Only equiptment that is a rather significant cost factor in rolling out BPL. For me I would take fiber any day over BPL. james Wasn't initially proposed as a broadband option for rural homes, homes without cable access? It seems like more than just that now. |
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On 11 Oct 2007 00:45:11 GMT, Steveo wrote:
wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:50:47 -0700, John Smith wrote: |Yo Mamma wrote: | | ... | BPL would work great, if the electric utility industry didn't seem to | think maintenance was an option. As it stands now, most transmission | and distribution providers are starving the maintenance departments to | provide higher returns for the stockholders. Fine and dandy if you are | waiting on a storm to come to you and provide write-offs to rebuild | your infrastructure. Not so good if you want to provide good internet | service. BPL is not a viable option on a large scale...with the state | of the industry now. | |Your crystal ball seems broken ... | |http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/sho...leID=202400285 | |JS | |------------------ Just because there is a standard does not mean it will be a major player in the broadband business. ALl I gleen from this article is that there are now two competing proposals for a standard. Still BPL has major hurdles to overcome in that telcos like Verizon, as well as cable providers, are converting their distribution lines from copper to fiber. Fiber offers superior advantages over copper and even power lines for transmission of broadband data. The major advantage of BPL is that nearly 100% of homes in the US are already penetrated with power lines. Cable is at about 75% level and telcos are at about 95% level. That is what they are banking on that the power lines are already to the house. No added infrastructure in transmission lines has to be deployed. Only equiptment that is a rather significant cost factor in rolling out BPL. For me I would take fiber any day over BPL. james Wasn't initially proposed as a broadband option for rural homes, homes without cable access? It seems like more than just that now. and tand that rural market seems doomed to not be vaible "one useless man is disgrace 2 become a law firm 3 or more become a congress" adams woger you are a Congress all in your own head http://kb9rqz.bravejournal.com/ altopia is never used by KB9RQZ nor is ever udsed on the usenet from anywhere but google posts from these sorucees are fakes and get ou the newly recovered KB9RQZ.blogspot.com as well G -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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John Smith wrote:
Yo Mamma wrote: ... As well as does your ability to comprehend what continent I live on and am speaking about...not to mention that I work in the industry. Lots of things have been tried through the years that did not come to fruition. Some things do. A case in point...some said Europeans would not be able to understand the Internet. They were wrong. I will not be. Now we are stuck with Europeans spewing links with no understanding of what they mean. You must have worked an assembly line "in the industry." (Maybe just stood outside the door and panhandled for bottles ...) Go back to college and take an english class or two ... JS Kind of funny how the spammers get pinned down with good technical facts, then resort to spelling errors. Jay in the Mojave |
Power Line Noise
On 11 Oct 2007 00:45:11 GMT, Steveo wrote:
wrote: | On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:50:47 -0700, John Smith | wrote: | | |Yo Mamma wrote: | | | | ... | | BPL would work great, if the electric utility industry didn't seem to | | think maintenance was an option. As it stands now, most transmission | | and distribution providers are starving the maintenance departments to | | provide higher returns for the stockholders. Fine and dandy if you are | | waiting on a storm to come to you and provide write-offs to rebuild | | your infrastructure. Not so good if you want to provide good internet | | service. BPL is not a viable option on a large scale...with the state | | of the industry now. | | | |Your crystal ball seems broken ... | | | |http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/sho...leID=202400285 | | | |JS | | | |------------------ | | Just because there is a standard does not mean it will be a major | player in the broadband business. ALl I gleen from this article is | that there are now two competing proposals for a standard. | | Still BPL has major hurdles to overcome in that telcos like Verizon, | as well as cable providers, are converting their distribution lines | from copper to fiber. Fiber offers superior advantages over copper and | even power lines for transmission of broadband data. | | The major advantage of BPL is that nearly 100% of homes in the US are | already penetrated with power lines. Cable is at about 75% level and | telcos are at about 95% level. That is what they are banking on that | the power lines are already to the house. No added infrastructure in | transmission lines has to be deployed. Only equiptment that is a | rather significant cost factor in rolling out BPL. | | For me I would take fiber any day over BPL. | | james | |Wasn't initially proposed as a broadband option for rural homes, homes |without cable access? It seems like more than just that now. | |---------------- Yes BPL was invisioned to provide broadband service to rural areas where cable would never be able to do so. As Verizon and cable companies roll out fiber across the nation, BPL will become less attractive. Overall usable bandwidth of fiber can realistically exceed that of BPL. In the long term fiber will be cheaper infrastructure than BPL could ever be and more reliable, especially in high wind areas. BPL does have its merrits but for long term viability, I do not see it here in the US. May be in emerging countries were the power line infrastructure is in place and the cost of fiber and/or telco copper wire infrastructure is not feasable. One such would be China. China has found that it is cheaper and more efficient to put in wireless phones systems than standard telco to rural areas. There power lines far exceed telco lines for broadband connections. james |
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