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build-it-yourself cb illegal?
From the posts here and in the other radio newsgroups such as the ham
and frs groups, I seen posts saying it was illegal to use a cb transmitter you built yourself. So does this mean it's illegal to use my Radio Shack CB kit that was sold in the 1970's and 1980's to transmit on the cb channels? I don't have that kit anymore though, or what was built with it. The posts here had me thinking it was illegal to use. Until I saw another post somewhere that made me realize it was probably a part 15 device. Which I think is completely legal to use on the 40 cb channels. If not, then those kits weren't legal even though Radio Shack sold them all over the country. Whether they were part 15 or full power, since they were completely legal at the time they were sold, not allowing them to be used on the legal 40 cb channels is a violation of the ex-post-facto laws of the U.S. Constitution, the supreme law of the land. I highly doubt that they were full power though. I think they were probably part 15. But then again, some people say it's not part 15 either unless it's been certified as part 15 by the FCC. Either the way, the kits were sold as being legal to use on "all 40 cb channels" in the U.S. Some of the older kits said on all 23 channels. If only I still had mine, which I don't anymore. So basically some of these licensed users are saying that people who built these cb kits in the 70's and 80's and were using them aren't allowed to use them anymore (even though they didn't build them today) even though prohibiting such use is a violation of the law. .. |
build-it-yourself cb illegal?
On Apr 16, 3:51*pm, wrote:
From the posts here and in the other radio newsgroups such as the ham and frs groups, I seen posts saying it was illegal to use a cb transmitter you built yourself. So does this mean it's illegal to use my Radio Shack CB kit that was sold in the 1970's and 1980's to transmit on the cb channels? I don't have that kit anymore though, or what was built with it. The posts here had me thinking it was illegal to use. the old kit built one are legal as i understand the matter grandfather Until I saw another post somewhere that made me realize it was probably a part 15 device. Which I think is completely legal to use on the 40 cb channels. If not, then those kits weren't legal even though Radio Shack sold them all over the country. Whether they were part 15 or full power, since they were completely legal at the time they were sold, not allowing them to be used on the legal 40 cb channels is a violation of the ex-post-facto laws of the U.S. Constitution, the supreme law of the land. I highly doubt that they were full power though. I think they were probably part 15. But then again, some people say it's not part 15 either unless it's been certified as part 15 by the FCC. Either the way, the kits were sold as being legal to use on "all 40 cb channels" in the U.S. Some of the older kits said on all 23 channels. If only I still had mine, which I don't anymore. So basically some of these licensed users are saying that people who built these cb kits in the 70's and 80's and were using them aren't allowed to use them anymore (even though they didn't build them today) even though prohibiting such use is a violation of the law. . a number of the older unit are legal but you can't build a new one |
build-it-yourself cb illegal?
On Apr 16, 5:56*pm, an_old_friend wrote:
On Apr 16, 3:51*pm, wrote: From the posts here and in the other radio newsgroups such as the ham and frs groups, I seen posts saying it was illegal to use a cb transmitter you built yourself. So does this mean it's illegal to use my Radio Shack CB kit that was sold in the 1970's and 1980's to transmit on the cb channels? I don't have that kit anymore though, or what was built with it. The posts here had me thinking it was illegal to use. the old kit built one are legal as i understand the matter grandfather Until I saw another post somewhere that made me realize it was probably a part 15 device. Which I think is completely legal to use on the 40 cb channels. If not, then those kits weren't legal even though Radio Shack sold them all over the country. Whether they were part 15 or full power, since they were completely legal at the time they were sold, not allowing them to be used on the legal 40 cb channels is a violation of the ex-post-facto laws of the U.S. Constitution, the supreme law of the land. I highly doubt that they were full power though. I think they were probably part 15. But then again, some people say it's not part 15 either unless it's been certified as part 15 by the FCC. Either the way, the kits were sold as being legal to use on "all 40 cb channels" in the U.S. Some of the older kits said on all 23 channels. If only I still had mine, which I don't anymore. So basically some of these licensed users are saying that people who built these cb kits in the 70's and 80's and were using them aren't allowed to use them anymore (even though they didn't build them today) even though prohibiting such use is a violation of the law. . a number of the older unit are legal but you can't build a new one- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This is just theortical since I don't have the kit anymore anyways, unless I come across one in a secondhand shop or something (highly doubtful), but what if I had an old kit from back then that was perfectly legal back then, but never started putting it together until today. Would it be legal to use or not? Would it be grandfathered or not? The radio built from it would only be being built recently. Even though the kit and parts to build it are both from back then when it was legal. With the instructions to build it from that kit (included in the kit) are also from back then. |
build-it-yourself cb illegal?
On Apr 16, 7:12*pm, wrote:
On Apr 16, 5:56*pm, an_old_friend wrote: On Apr 16, 3:51*pm, wrote: From the posts here and in the other radio newsgroups such as the ham and frs groups, I seen posts saying it was illegal to use a cb transmitter you built yourself. So does this mean it's illegal to use my Radio Shack CB kit that was sold in the 1970's and 1980's to transmit on the cb channels? I don't have that kit anymore though, or what was built with it. The posts here had me thinking it was illegal to use. the old kit built one are legal as i understand the matter grandfather Until I saw another post somewhere that made me realize it was probably a part 15 device. Which I think is completely legal to use on the 40 cb channels. If not, then those kits weren't legal even though Radio Shack sold them all over the country. Whether they were part 15 or full power, since they were completely legal at the time they were sold, not allowing them to be used on the legal 40 cb channels is a violation of the ex-post-facto laws of the U.S. Constitution, the supreme law of the land. I highly doubt that they were full power though. I think they were probably part 15. But then again, some people say it's not part 15 either unless it's been certified as part 15 by the FCC. Either the way, the kits were sold as being legal to use on "all 40 cb channels" in the U.S. Some of the older kits said on all 23 channels. If only I still had mine, which I don't anymore. So basically some of these licensed users are saying that people who built these cb kits in the 70's and 80's and were using them aren't allowed to use them anymore (even though they didn't build them today) even though prohibiting such use is a violation of the law. . a number of the older unit are legal but you can't build a new one- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This is just theortical since I don't have the kit anymore anyways, unless I come across one in a secondhand shop or something (highly doubtful), but what if I had an old kit from back then that was perfectly legal back then, but never started putting it together until today. Would it be legal to use or not? hmmm honestly I don't know it is is in the range that I would say you could get away with it since you could have refubished it recently likeanything it might be technicaly a bit beyond the pale Would it be grandfathered or not? The radio built from it would only be being built recently. Even though the kit and parts to build it are both from back then when it was legal. With the instructions to build it from that kit (included in the kit) are also from back then.- |
build-it-yourself cb illegal?
On Apr 16, 8:30*pm, an_old_friend wrote:
On Apr 16, 7:12*pm, wrote: On Apr 16, 5:56*pm, an_old_friend wrote: On Apr 16, 3:51*pm, wrote: From the posts here and in the other radio newsgroups such as the ham and frs groups, I seen posts saying it was illegal to use a cb transmitter you built yourself. So does this mean it's illegal to use my Radio Shack CB kit that was sold in the 1970's and 1980's to transmit on the cb channels? I don't have that kit anymore though, or what was built with it. The posts here had me thinking it was illegal to use. the old kit built one are legal as i understand the matter grandfather Until I saw another post somewhere that made me realize it was probably a part 15 device. Which I think is completely legal to use on the 40 cb channels. If not, then those kits weren't legal even though Radio Shack sold them all over the country. Whether they were part 15 or full power, since they were completely legal at the time they were sold, not allowing them to be used on the legal 40 cb channels is a violation of the ex-post-facto laws of the U.S. Constitution, the supreme law of the land. I highly doubt that they were full power though. I think they were probably part 15. But then again, some people say it's not part 15 either unless it's been certified as part 15 by the FCC. Either the way, the kits were sold as being legal to use on "all 40 cb channels" in the U.S. Some of the older kits said on all 23 channels. If only I still had mine, which I don't anymore. So basically some of these licensed users are saying that people who built these cb kits in the 70's and 80's and were using them aren't allowed to use them anymore (even though they didn't build them today) even though prohibiting such use is a violation of the law. . a number of the older unit are legal but you can't build a new one- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This is just theortical since I don't have the kit anymore anyways, unless I come across one in a secondhand shop or something (highly doubtful), but what if I had an old kit from back then that was perfectly legal back then, but never started putting it together until today. Would it be legal to use or not? hmmm honestly I don't know it is is in the range that I would say you could get away with it since you could have refubished it recently likeanything it might be technicaly a bit beyond the pale Would it be grandfathered or not? The radio built from it would only be being built recently. Even though the kit and parts to build it are both from back then when it was legal. With the instructions to build it from that kit (included in the kit) are also from back then.-- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think it would be legal since the kits were legal when sold. Otherwise, it would be the government violating the ex-post-facto provisions of the U.S. constitution, the whole reason grandfathering radios and other things came about in the first place. It wasn't just willy-nilly deciding what does and doesn't get to be grandfathered. Althoigh it seems like the FCC thinks it can today. Grandfathering came about because it would be a violation of the laws otherwwise. The government wasn't legally allowed to not grandfather older radios. Too many people today are forgetting how the laws came about. And the reasons for them. |
build-it-yourself cb illegal?
On Apr 16, 8:50*pm, wrote:
On Apr 16, 8:30*pm, an_old_friend wrote: On Apr 16, 7:12*pm, wrote: On Apr 16, 5:56*pm, an_old_friend wrote: On Apr 16, 3:51*pm, wrote: From the posts here and in the other radio newsgroups such as the ham and frs groups, I seen posts saying it was illegal to use a cb transmitter you built yourself. So does this mean it's illegal to use my Radio Shack CB kit that was sold in the 1970's and 1980's to transmit on the cb channels? I don't have that kit anymore though, or what was built with it. The posts here had me thinking it was illegal to use. the old kit built one are legal as i understand the matter grandfather Until I saw another post somewhere that made me realize it was probably a part 15 device. Which I think is completely legal to use on the 40 cb channels. If not, then those kits weren't legal even though Radio Shack sold them all over the country. Whether they were part 15 or full power, since they were completely legal at the time they were sold, not allowing them to be used on the legal 40 cb channels is a violation of the ex-post-facto laws of the U.S. Constitution, the supreme law of the land. I highly doubt that they were full power though. I think they were probably part 15. But then again, some people say it's not part 15 either unless it's been certified as part 15 by the FCC. Either the way, the kits were sold as being legal to use on "all 40 cb channels" in the U.S. Some of the older kits said on all 23 channels. If only I still had mine, which I don't anymore. So basically some of these licensed users are saying that people who built these cb kits in the 70's and 80's and were using them aren't allowed to use them anymore (even though they didn't build them today) even though prohibiting such use is a violation of the law. . a number of the older unit are legal but you can't build a new one- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This is just theortical since I don't have the kit anymore anyways, unless I come across one in a secondhand shop or something (highly doubtful), but what if I had an old kit from back then that was perfectly legal back then, but never started putting it together until today. Would it be legal to use or not? hmmm honestly I don't know it is is in the range that I would say you could get away with it since you could have refubished it recently likeanything it might be technicaly a bit beyond the pale Would it be grandfathered or not? The radio built from it would only be being built recently. Even though the kit and parts to build it are both from back then when it was legal. With the instructions to build it from that kit (included in the kit) are also from back then.-- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think it would be legal since the kits were legal when sold. was going to disagree with you but you catch it later Otherwise, it would be the government violating the ex-post-facto provisions of the U.S. constitution, the whole reason grandfathering radios and other things *came about in the first place. It wasn't just willy-nilly deciding what does and doesn't get to be grandfathered. *Althoigh it seems like the FCC thinks it can today. you do put your nail on the rub Grandfathering came about because it would be a violation of the laws otherwwise. The government wasn't legally allowed to not grandfather older radios. Too many people today are forgetting how the laws came about. And the reasons for them.- Hide god again I would like to call you a lair for that remark but you aint lying sad to say |
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build-it-yourself cb illegal?
On Apr 18, 7:47*am, james wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:51:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: |Whether they were part 15 or full power, since they were completely |legal at the time they were sold, not |allowing them to be used on the legal 40 cb channels is a violation of |the ex-post-facto laws of the |U.S. Constitution, the supreme law of the land. | |---------------------- Boy did you flunk Civics 102. The Supreme Law of the Land is the US Cde of Federal regulations. The Constitution is there as a guideline for making laws and determining whather laws violate or follow its intent. Then again intent is all based on interpretation. james not according to the constitution |
build-it-yourself cb illegal?
First off the Communications Act of 1934 empowers the FCC to regulate and determine standards for all transmitters used by the general public. So whether they grandfather one specific model or not is not a violation of any Law or the Constitution. During WW2 the US Congress suspended "ALL" none essential Communications traffic in the US. That included amature radio. Only Public safety, and broadcast radio were not affected. It took an act in 1947, if my memory serves me correctly, to reinstate the amature radio service. It's legal for them to do that during wartime, but not during peacetime. In 1976 the FCC changed the rules for Type Acceptance of CB radios. Any radio that met type acceptance prior to that date was allowed to be used but their sale was made illegal. As for your question, if it was a type accepted kit prior to 1976 and unassembled and you obtained in a sale on or before January of 1976 then it would be legal to build and use. If you obtained the kit not through a sale it also would be legal to build. In reality, today if you were find one and build it and it met these criteria: 1) caused no TVI to your neighbors 2) transmitted less the 5 watts output then for most part the FCC probably wont bother you. Although I doubt if there's any of those kits left, I do know that there are some people who can only afford to shop in secondhand shops. And might run across one today, although it's probably much more likely they would find an actual full power 23 chanel cb. Those old radios are good for nostalgia purposes. Their receivers lack today in comparision to even the cheapest of CB sets. I had an old Radio Shack Knight Kit CB radio back in the early 70's. The main complaint I had of it was selectivity. james yes. Those kits did lack sensitivity. And aren't as good as real cb radios today. And they probably weren't as good as real cb radios back then, either. The old broadcast AM radios have better sensitivity than today's radios on the AM band. Even the old AM/FM radios have better sensitivity on the AM band than today's AM/FM radios. Today's radios seem to have better sensitivity on the FM band than the older AM/FM radios do. At least, that's been my experience. Back to CB, the last time I looked, which was recently (2007), one of the Radio Shacks near here is selling a channel CB walkie-talkie. Which uses crystals the user is supposed to put in himself for the channels he wants to operate on. However, these crystals are easily switched around by any user to transmit out of band. Just by switching the transmit and recieve crystals around. It is a FCC-approved radio. However, the FCC rules also say it's not a FCC-approved radio. Even though there is an FCC approved notice either on a sticker on the radio or engraved into the radio itself, if I recall correctly. I believe it's engraved. Screwed up government at work once again. At least, that's been my experience. |
build-it-yourself cb illegal?
On Apr 18, 7:47*am, james wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:51:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: |Whether they were part 15 or full power, since they were completely |legal at the time they were sold, not |allowing them to be used on the legal 40 cb channels is a violation of |the ex-post-facto laws of the |U.S. Constitution, the supreme law of the land. | |---------------------- Boy did you flunk Civics 102. The Supreme Law of the Land is the US Cde of Federal regulations. The Constitution is there as a guideline for making laws and determining whather laws violate or follow its intent. Then again intent is all based on interpretation. james No, the "everything in the U.S. cconstitution is only interpretation" is promoted by extreme liberals who want to destroy the U.S. Constitution for their own purposes. You probably fell for that line, as so many people today do. When I was in school, decades ago, we were definitely taught that it is the supreme law of the land and not interpretation. Such as all the powers that the U.S. constitution does not list as being given to the federal government is reserved to the states. The first and second amendments, and the rest of them, are also law, not interpretation. Although the U.S. Supreme Court has the right to interpret the laws in how they think what it means.. But even in that remark, it was called "laws", not interpretation. However, the U.S. Supreme Court does not have the right to make laws, only the right to interpret what laws are already there. There IS a difference. |
build-it-yourself cb illegal?
In 1976 the FCC changed the rules for Type Acceptance of CB radios.
Any radio that met type acceptance prior to that date was allowed to be used but their sale was made illegal. yes, I remember the sale of 23 channels being made illegal. However, I'm still not sure that it was even legal for the FCC to do so. Although they did so, anyways. From what I learned in school, which was before that happened, it's illegal for the FCC to do so. Or the mandatory transition to digital tv (although it was a past Congress who decided to do that instead of the FCC) Or them busting the CB shops for selling 10 meter radios today they bbought before the new FCC rules prohibiting selling them went into effect. You can still legally get scanners wih cell phone coverage, if you can find one, as long as they were manufactured before a certain date. So the salee of those are still legal. So why not the sale of 23 channel CBs? I thought all analog tv had to be shut off next year, but last night, I seen the tv station run a crawl explaining thatonly full power tv stations have to switch, and explained that low power tv stations and tv translators are both allowed to continue broadcasting in analog after that date. We don't have any LPTV we can pick up over the air here, so over the air tv will effectively be gone from here, since indoor antennas, stationary roof antennas, roof antennas with rotors all didn't work to get clear digital tv reception. Digital tv reception didn't even work through the cable tv company even though they have the best reception equipment and location allowed around here. It still frequently breaks up into blocks with audio cutting out when it does so. Unwatchable. And neighbors with a lot better lot more expensive equipment than we can afford who also had digital tv capability couldn't get any watchable digital tv reception, even though there's several digital tv stations around here. The analog versions of those same stations are completely fine around here. And other people than just me also noticed the analog cable tv breaking up into blocks since the cable company picks up the cable tv stations' digitally and retransmits them as analog. Once all the full power broadcast stations switch over to digital, they'll be unwatchable even on analog cable tv from the digital signal breaking up at the cable tv companiy's reception point and retransmitting it over analog cable tv. From what I learned in school, obviously before it ever happened, the FCC's busting of the CB shops for selling today 10 meter radios they bought before the FCC changed the rules is completely illegal. If it's legal, then ham radios have to be certified by the FCC to legally be used on the ham bands. And hams say ham radios don't have to be certified to be used on the ham bands. But if those hams are correct, then the 10 meter radios are perfectly legal. however, the FCC says they aren't legal And if they are not legal, then ham radios do have to be certified by the FCC before they're allowed to be used on the ham bands. Which makes almost every ham radio that exists today completely illegal to use on the ham bands. Beccause according to what the FCC has been doing recently, it doesn't matter how old those radios are. According to the FCC rules, old ham radios are illegal since they're channelized radios which can easily be used on the cb band. |
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On Apr 18, 2:05*pm, wrote:
In 1976 the FCC changed the rules for Type Acceptance of CB radios. Any radio that met type acceptance prior to that date was allowed to be used but their sale was made illegal. yes, I remember the sale of 23 channels being made illegal. However, I'm still not sure that it was even legal for the FCC to do so. Although they did so, anyways. From what I learned in school, which was before that happened, it's illegal for the FCC to do so. Or the mandatory transition to digital tv (although it was a past Congress who decided to do that instead of the FCC) Or them busting the CB shops for selling 10 meter radios today they bbought before the new FCC rules prohibiting selling them went into effect. You can still legally get scanners wih cell phone coverage, if you can find one, as long as they were manufactured before a certain date. So the salee of those are still legal. So why not the sale of 23 channel CBs? I thought all analog tv had to be shut off next year, but last night, I seen the tv station run a crawl explaining thatonly full power tv stations have to switch, and *explained that low power tv stations and tv translators are both allowed to continue broadcasting in analog after that date. We don't have any LPTV we can pick up over the air here, so over the air tv will effectively be gone from here, since indoor antennas, stationary roof antennas, *roof antennas with rotors all didn't work to get clear digital tv reception. *Digital tv reception didn't even work through the cable tv company even though they have the best reception equipment and location allowed around here. It still frequently breaks up into blocks with audio cutting out when it does so. Unwatchable. And neighbors with a lot better lot more expensive equipment than we can afford who also had digital tv capability couldn't get any watchable digital tv reception, *even though there's several digital tv stations around here. The analog versions of those same stations are completely fine around here. And other people than just me also noticed the analog cable tv breaking up into blocks since the cable company picks up the cable tv stations' digitally and retransmits them as analog. Once all the full power broadcast stations switch over to digital, they'll be unwatchable even on analog cable tv from the digital signal breaking up at the cable tv companiy's reception point and retransmitting it over analog cable tv. From what I learned in school, obviously before it ever happened, the FCC's busting of the CB shops for selling today 10 meter radios they bought before the FCC changed the rules *is completely illegal. If it's legal, then ham radios have to be certified by the FCC to legally be used on the ham bands. And hams say ham radios don't have to be certified to be used on the ham bands. But if those hams are correct, then the 10 meter radios are perfectly legal. however, the FCC says they aren't legal And if they are not legal, then ham radios do have to be certified by the FCC before they're allowed to be used on the ham bands. Which makes almost every ham radio that exists today completely illegal to use on the ham bands. Beccause according to what the FCC has been doing recently, it doesn't matter how old those radios are. According to the FCC rules, old ham radios are illegal since they're channelized radios which can easily be used on the cb band. From the way I learned it, which was ven before the FCC prohibited the sale of 23 channel CB radios. The FCC is allowed to prohibit the sale of 23 channel cb radios and 10 meter radios But they're not allowed to prevent the sale of 23 channel cb radiosd and 10 meter radios if those radios were bought before the new FCC laws went into effect. If the FCC says "no 10 meter radios allowed for sale after january 1, 2005" they are not legally allowed to bust a shop for selling any 10 meter radio after that date if the shop had bought all of their 10 meter radios before that date. Only if the shop continued to buy those radios after January 1, 2005 The above dates are only examples. I don't know what real date was set, if any. I don't think any was in the case of 10 meter radios, just in the case of 23 channel cb radios). But as I recall, the 23 channel CBs were gone from the shops by the date the FCC said. What a waste throwing all of those good CB radios out. Off course, any company or store who tries to defend their legal rights in such cases ends up paying a lot of money in legal fees which they shouldn't have to in that case since they weren't breaking any laws anyway. The FCC claiming that it's breaking the law just goes to show that either 1. The FCC doesn't know the law. o 2. The FCC is purposely ignoring the law. Since it's clearly a violation of the ex-post-facto provisions of the U.S. Constitution. No one can legally be found guilty today or tomorrow for a crime they comitted yesterday or before that was not a crime yesterdasy or before, at the time it was comitted. As I understand it from what I read, the FCC has been busting and fining some places and people for mere "posession" of those radios even if the people bought them before their new rules defining them as "illegal" were made and went into effect. I don't own one anyways. their new rules defining them as illegal went into effect. |
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On Apr 18, 11:57*am, an_old_friend wrote:
On Apr 18, 7:47*am, james wrote: On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:51:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: |Whether they were part 15 or full power, since they were completely |legal at the time they were sold, not |allowing them to be used on the legal 40 cb channels is a violation of |the ex-post-facto laws of the |U.S. Constitution, the supreme law of the land. | |---------------------- Boy did you flunk Civics 102. The Supreme Law of the Land is the US Cde of Federal regulations. The Constitution is there as a guideline for making laws and determining whather laws violate or follow its intent. Then again intent is all based on interpretation. james not according to the constitution- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - correct. If the U.S. Constitution is only interpretation and not law, then the things about ex-post-facto in it are not law either which means you as U.S. citizens have no guarantee that you won't be put in jail tomorow for something that is a crime tomorrow but not a crime today when you commit it. Nor even have the right to not be put in jail tomorrow for doing somethinng today that is a crime tomorrow but not a crime today This means that if the FCC decides in 2011 to give thee 27 mhzCB band back to the ham operators and says that non-hams aren't allowed to transmit anywhere in what was the 27 mhz CB band, they can legally put you, a non-ham in jail in 2012 for transmitting on CB channel 19 in 2008 even if you never transmitted there after 2008. Think that can't happen? As recently as last year (2007), I seen some posts by some hams wanting and trying to get the FCC to give back the 27 mhz CB band that the CBers "stole" from them. And they would also be able to legally put you, a ham, in jail in 2008 for transmitting on the 11 meter band in 1955 with more power than is allowed to be transmitted on the 11 meter band in 2008. If the U.S. Constitution is law, which it is, and not interpretation, then you as U.S. citizens are guaranteed that you can't legally be put in jail or fined tomorrow for doing today something that is a crime tomorrow but not a crime today at the time you do it. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the U.S. |
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On Apr 18, 5:13*pm, wrote:
On Apr 18, 11:57*am, an_old_friend wrote: On Apr 18, 7:47*am, james wrote: On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:51:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: |Whether they were part 15 or full power, since they were completely |legal at the time they were sold, not |allowing them to be used on the legal 40 cb channels is a violation of |the ex-post-facto laws of the |U.S. Constitution, the supreme law of the land. | |---------------------- Boy did you flunk Civics 102. The Supreme Law of the Land is the US Cde of Federal regulations. The Constitution is there as a guideline for making laws and determining whather laws violate or follow its intent. Then again intent is all based on interpretation. james not according to the constitution- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - correct. If the U.S. Constitution is only interpretation and not law, then the things about ex-post-facto in it are not law either which means you as U.S. citizens have no guarantee that you won't be put in jail tomorow for something that is a crime tomorrow but not a crime today when you commit it. Nor even have the right to not be put in jail tomorrow for doing somethinng today that is a crime tomorrow but not a crime today This means that if the FCC decides in 2011 to give thee 27 mhzCB band back to the ham operators and says that non-hams aren't allowed to transmit anywhere in what was the 27 mhz CB band, they can legally put you, a non-ham in jail in 2012 for transmitting on CB channel 19 *in 2008 even if you never transmitted there after 2008. Think that can't happen? As recently as last year (2007), I seen some posts by some hams wanting and trying to get the FCC to give back the 27 mhz CB band that the CBers "stole" from them. And they would also be able to legally put you, a ham, in jail in 2008 for transmitting on the 11 meter band in 1955 with more power than is allowed to be transmitted on the 11 meter band in 2008. If the U.S. Constitution is law, which it is, and not interpretation, then you as U.S. citizens are guaranteed that you can't legally be put in jail or fined tomorrow for doing today something that is a crime tomorrow but not a crime today at the time you do it. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the U.S. *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Besides what was mentioned in this thread, this in my opinion also explains why beer advertising is still allowed on tv after cigarette advertising was no longer allowed. http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html |
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:05:01 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
|yes, I remember the sale of 23 channels being made illegal. | |However, I'm still not sure that it was even legal for the FCC to do |so. |------------------- Yes it was perfectly legal. The standards for type acceptance changed. Therefore, the older units no longer met type acceptance. james |
build-it-yourself cb illegal?
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:32:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
|On Apr 18, 5:13*pm, wrote: | On Apr 18, 11:57*am, an_old_friend wrote: | | | | | | On Apr 18, 7:47*am, james wrote: | | On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:51:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: | | |Whether they were part 15 or full power, since they were completely | |legal at the time they were sold, not | |allowing them to be used on the legal 40 cb channels is a violation of | |the ex-post-facto laws of the | |U.S. Constitution, the supreme law of the land. | | | |---------------------- | | Boy did you flunk Civics 102. | | The Supreme Law of the Land is the US Cde of Federal regulations. The | Constitution is there as a guideline for making laws and determining | whather laws violate or follow its intent. Then again intent is all | based on interpretation. | | james | | not according to the constitution- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | | correct. | | If the U.S. Constitution is only interpretation and not law, then the | things about ex-post-facto in it are not law either which means you as | U.S. citizens have no | guarantee that you won't be put in jail tomorow for something that is | a crime tomorrow but not a crime today when you commit it. | | Nor even have the right to not be put in jail tomorrow for doing | somethinng today that is a crime tomorrow but not a crime today | | This means that if the FCC decides in 2011 to give thee 27 mhzCB band | back to the ham operators and says that non-hams aren't allowed to | transmit anywhere | in what was the 27 mhz CB band, they can legally put you, a non-ham in | jail in 2012 for transmitting on CB channel 19 *in 2008 even if you | never transmitted there after 2008. | | Think that can't happen? As recently as last year (2007), I seen some | posts by some hams wanting and trying to get the FCC to give back the | 27 mhz CB band | that the CBers "stole" from them. | | And they would also be able to legally put you, a ham, in jail in 2008 | for transmitting on the 11 meter band in 1955 with more power than is | allowed to be transmitted on the | 11 meter band in 2008. | | If the U.S. Constitution is law, which it is, and not interpretation, | then you as U.S. citizens are guaranteed that you can't legally be put | in jail or fined tomorrow for | doing today something that is a crime tomorrow but not a crime today | at the time you do it. | | The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the U.S. | | *.- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | |Besides what was mentioned in this thread, this in my opinion also |explains why beer advertising is still allowed on tv after cigarette |advertising was no longer |allowed. | | | |http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html |--------------- Again you fail to see. The Constitution was setup in order to provide guidelines on how teh government must be ran. The Bill of Rights, the first ten amdendments are inalienable rights that Government can not take away. Thus no government shall pass Statutes and Regulations that remove the right spelled out in the Bill of Rights. james |
build-it-yourself cb illegal?
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:47:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
|There IS a difference. | |----------------------- Yes in your mind and limited understanding there is more than likely a difference. james |
build-it-yourself cb illegal?
"james" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:32:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote: |On Apr 18, 5:13 pm, wrote: | On Apr 18, 11:57 am, an_old_friend wrote: | | | | | | On Apr 18, 7:47 am, james wrote: | | On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:51:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: | | |Whether they were part 15 or full power, since they were completely | |legal at the time they were sold, not | |allowing them to be used on the legal 40 cb channels is a violation of | |the ex-post-facto laws of the | |U.S. Constitution, the supreme law of the land. | | | |---------------------- | | Boy did you flunk Civics 102. | | The Supreme Law of the Land is the US Cde of Federal regulations. The | Constitution is there as a guideline for making laws and determining | whather laws violate or follow its intent. Then again intent is all | based on interpretation. | | james | | not according to the constitution- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | | correct. | | If the U.S. Constitution is only interpretation and not law, then the | things about ex-post-facto in it are not law either which means you as | U.S. citizens have no | guarantee that you won't be put in jail tomorow for something that is | a crime tomorrow but not a crime today when you commit it. | | Nor even have the right to not be put in jail tomorrow for doing | somethinng today that is a crime tomorrow but not a crime today | | This means that if the FCC decides in 2011 to give thee 27 mhzCB band | back to the ham operators and says that non-hams aren't allowed to | transmit anywhere | in what was the 27 mhz CB band, they can legally put you, a non-ham in | jail in 2012 for transmitting on CB channel 19 in 2008 even if you | never transmitted there after 2008. | | Think that can't happen? As recently as last year (2007), I seen some | posts by some hams wanting and trying to get the FCC to give back the | 27 mhz CB band | that the CBers "stole" from them. | | And they would also be able to legally put you, a ham, in jail in 2008 | for transmitting on the 11 meter band in 1955 with more power than is | allowed to be transmitted on the | 11 meter band in 2008. | | If the U.S. Constitution is law, which it is, and not interpretation, | then you as U.S. citizens are guaranteed that you can't legally be put | in jail or fined tomorrow for | doing today something that is a crime tomorrow but not a crime today | at the time you do it. | | The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the U.S. | | .- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | |Besides what was mentioned in this thread, this in my opinion also |explains why beer advertising is still allowed on tv after cigarette |advertising was no longer |allowed. | | | |http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html |--------------- Again you fail to see. The Constitution was setup in order to provide guidelines on how teh government must be ran. The Bill of Rights, the first ten amdendments are inalienable rights that Government can not take away. Thus no government shall pass Statutes and Regulations that remove the right spelled out in the Bill of Rights. james Dubya Bush did so with an executive order. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rights...beuscorpus.htm |
build-it-yourself cb illegal?
I just came across a copy of the part 95 rules.
It is a FCC-approved CB radio that can operate on the "freeband" without any modifications at all. Even the part 95 rules say it's not a modification. Finally!!! A FCC-approved CB radio that can legally operate on both the 27 mhz CB band and the 10 meter ham band. Since there won't be any modifications made to it, I guess it might be time to go to Radio Shack. |
build-it-yourself cb illegal?
wrote in message ... I just came across a copy of the part 95 rules. It is a FCC-approved CB radio that can operate on the "freeband" without any modifications at all. Even the part 95 rules say it's not a modification. Finally!!! A FCC-approved CB radio that can legally operate on both the 27 mhz CB band and the 10 meter ham band. Since there won't be any modifications made to it, I guess it might be time to go to Radio Shack. 10m - Providing you have a valid HAM License. |
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