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Hey CBers Help Get rid of Morse Code Test and Requirement
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ROLDAIGNAULT wrote: From: Scott Unit 69 | PLEASE DO NOT | :.:\:\:/:/:.: | FEED THE TROLLS! | :=.' - Keith made a legitimate request to take action to eliminate the code testing. He provided the websites to do just that. If you happen to disagree with him on that issue, it doesn't make it a troll post. Keith wrote: as soon as possible. The first protest is August 1st 6 pm local time on 28.306 USB A troll is one who asks others to do something wrong. In this case, it is use of 10 meters without the proper class of license. The second part of his message is something that can be done. If you wish to use 10 meters in violation of your ticket, so be it, it's your NAL, pay it if you want. His message is half-troll, half good idea. I think we all just need to sit back and wait a few more months to see what happens. You would be better off complaining about BPL. If it happens, HF won't mean ****, CW or not. (Also CB, MW, TV 2 thru 6, 6 meters, VHF lo band and harmonics out the wazoo) |
wrote: A troll is one who asks others to do something wrong. In this case, it is use of 10 meters without the proper class of license. Could you please quote the part about people using 10 meters illegally???????????? If it wasn't someone using the name "Keith", someone also posting from newsguy was suggesting the use of 10 meters by techs in protest. Now you're gonna' tell me it's not the same guy, just because you're you. You may drag Frank into a ****ing contest, but I see right through your BS. Are you related to stewart (horseshoe7)? I can smell a troll a dialup away... Subject: ATTN: Tech Licensee USA Morse Code Freedom Day is August 1st Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:54:43 -0700 From: Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.cb Let the FCC know that they can no longer keep you from your right to use the ten meter band allocation if you are a technician licensee. The international requirement for morse code has been removed and there is no such thing as a technician plus license. You don't have to use your identity, but no code technicians need to finally speak out to the FCC they will no longer be oppressed by rules designed for the stone age of electronic technology. Get on the air at 6pm local time on August 1st or if the band is open any time to make contacts in the 28.300-28.500 MHz that is allocated to technicians for voice. Or if you have a computer you can use the allocated technician CW bands to send and receive morse code. Currently the FCC and ARRL want to drag this morse code requirement out for one or two years while they put BPL and other technology on the fast track. I will be on the air and I hope 10,000 or more no code technicians will join me. I guess Hollingsworth will have to require 10,000 people to turn in their CW proficiency certificate if YOU will join us. The morse code game is over and I'm not driving 55 when the speed limit is really 70 mph and the government hasn't changed the signs yet. Just go by the limitation of your technician license and don't go overboard, we want to show that just because we didn't pass some dinosaur morse code test that we are bad operators. Get on 28.306 USB at 6 PM local time to talk with other no code tech's that are protesting the FCC and ARRL stupidity. |
"Twistedhed" wrote in message ... Well, I certainly can't take issue with his approach. Massive Civil Disobedience on a wide scale can be extremely effective. Has anyone else thought about what this "protest" may actally lead to? Yes, fines, NAL's and me keying up legally with my legal limit amp every time some assclown who is not licensed keys up. Suppose a plethora of ops show up, unlicensed and unauthorized, both, to partake in the protest. Then they can do it again the next week, Then the week after, and the week after,,, Then you have an extension of the chicken band, and I can gurantee the FCC will not take kindly to unlicensed intrusions. They will not get them all but they sure will try to make an example out of those that do get caught. Bank on it, Riley Hollingsworth is well aware of what is going on. pretty soon, we can all be rolling onto ten meter as a place for more quality HF spectrum with no reservations and no licenses....with minimal enforcement...the way it ought be. Why not take the test and get the license " the way it out to be" the way everyone else did it you rather be a schelp and steal something that doesn't belong to you, according to the governemnt who's land you live on. |
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:53:15 -0400, Scott Unit 69
wrote: wrote: A troll is one who asks others to do something wrong. In this case, it is use of 10 meters without the proper class of license. Could you please quote the part about people using 10 meters illegally???????????? If it wasn't someone using the name "Keith", someone also posting from newsguy was suggesting the use of 10 meters by techs in protest. Now you're gonna' tell me it's not the same guy, just because you're you. You may drag Frank into a ****ing contest, but I see right through your BS. You responded to his original post calling it a troll post. The post is not a troll post at all. If you see it as a troll post then it is only in your imagination, so I will ask you again. Can you please QUOTE the part about people using 10 meters illegally????????? P.S. A quote is not imaginary. |
"Keith" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:53:15 -0400, Scott Unit 69 wrote: If it wasn't someone using the name "Keith", someone also posting from newsguy was suggesting the use of 10 meters by techs in protest. It is not illegal for a technician to transmit voice on 28.300 to 28.500 MHz. Has the tech passed the morse code test? There is no way to know since the FCC doesn't keep track of which techs pass the cw test and I don't need to supply that information to anyone. It is a great big loop hole and a great way to protest stupid radio rules. Even though the FCC does not maintain the info in their database, you will certainly have to be able to provide proof via the appropriate documentation that you do have the privileges should you ever receive an NAL from the FCC. That means that the burden of proof will lie on the Technicians to prove they have the privileges not on the FCC to prove that they don't. The FCC will most likely maintain that anyone who cannot provide that proof does not have the privileges. You may think you have a loophole but you don't. So you had better keep that CSCE or old Novice license or old Tech Plus license in a safe place. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
wrote in message ... You responded to his original post calling it a troll post. The post is not a troll post at all. If you see it as a troll post then it is only in your imagination, so I will ask you again. Can you please QUOTE the part about people using 10 meters illegally????????? P.S. A quote is not imaginary. Use your imagination and reread this part of his post. also where he calls on Cbers to help out. "A group to protest the requirement of morse code for properly licensed technician licensee. And to remove the morse code test from ham radio testing as soon as possible. The first protest is August 1st 6 pm local time on 28.306 USB " |
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:42:28 -0400, "IP Daily" spade#abc.com wrote:
wrote in message .. . You responded to his original post calling it a troll post. The post is not a troll post at all. If you see it as a troll post then it is only in your imagination, so I will ask you again. Can you please QUOTE the part about people using 10 meters illegally????????? P.S. A quote is not imaginary. Use your imagination and reread this part of his post. also where he calls on Cbers to help out. You have a VERY active imagination. He asked for " properly licensed " individuals to help out on Aug 1. The other method he described was for CBers and others to contact the FCC He did this by posting the message in rec.radio.cb "A group to protest the requirement of morse code for properly licensed technician licensee. And to remove the morse code test from ham radio testing as soon as possible. The first protest is August 1st 6 pm local time on 28.306 USB " |
Yes, fines, NAL's and me keying up legally with my legal limit amp every
time some assclown who is not licensed keys up. You would exceed 200 watts in a novice band portion? It's OK for you to break the laws you want, and attempt to interfere with other's, albeit illegal, communications by transmitting with 7.5 times greater power then allowed in the novice subband? What are you, some kind of keyclown? |
"Scott Unit 69" wrote in message ... Yes, fines, NAL's and me keying up legally with my legal limit amp every time some assclown who is not licensed keys up. You would exceed 200 watts in a novice band portion? It's OK for you to break the laws you want, and attempt to interfere with other's, albeit illegal, communications by transmitting with 7.5 times greater power then allowed in the novice subband? Did you read where I said I would key up legally , you assclown. No frequencie was specified either assclown. What are you, some kind of keyclown? No but your a assclown. |
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:23:45 -0700, Keith
wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:53:15 -0400, Scott Unit 69 wrote: If it wasn't someone using the name "Keith", someone also posting from newsguy was suggesting the use of 10 meters by techs in protest. It is not illegal for a technician to transmit voice on 28.300 to 28.500 MHz. Has the tech passed the morse code test? There is no way to know since the FCC doesn't keep track of which techs pass the cw test and I don't need to supply that information to anyone. Yes, there is a way to tell. If you passed Element 1 you were given a CSCE for it. Now that FCC no longer keeps track in their database of who has Element 1 credit and who doesn't, it is incumbent upon the licensee to retain that CSCE as proof that you passed a code test. If you're heard operating on HF and FCC asks you to prove that you have Element 1 credit and you are unable to do so, you're subject to enforcement action up to and including the loss of your license. It is a great big loop hole and a great way to protest stupid radio rules. No, it's a great way to lose your license. 73 DE John, KC2HMZ |
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:07:10 -0700, Keith
wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 22:41:54 -0400, "Spamhater" wrote: . you need a TECHNICIAN PLUS or higher license to get on 10 meters THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TECHNICIAN PLUS LICENSE IN THE FCC RULES OR REGULATIONS. IF YOU GO TAKE A TECH TEST YOU ARE A TECH. IF YOU PASS A 5 WPM TEST YOU ARE STILL A TECH. Ignorance is bliss. Then you must have a very blissful existence, Keith. Read on, and let the facts rid you of your ignorance as I show you numerous references to the Technician Plus license in the FCC rules. When you're done you can check to verify that I haven't falsified any of this by going to http://www.arrl.org/files/infoserv/rib/part97.txt and reading Part 97 for yourself - which you should have done in the first place so that you had your facts straight BEFORE you opened your mouth to change which foot was in it: §97.5 Station license grant required. snip (2) A club station license grant. A club station license grant may be held only by the person who is the license trustee designated by an officer of the club. The trustee must be a person who holds an Amateur Extra, Advanced, General, Technician Plus, or Technician operator license grant. The club must be composed of at least four persons and must have a name, a document of organization, management, and a primary purpose devoted to amateur service activities consistent with this part. §97.9 Operator license. (a) The classes of amateur operator license grants a Novice, Technician, Technician Plus (until such licenses expire, a Technician Class license granted before February 14, 1991, is considered a Technician Plus Class license), General, Advanced, and Amateur Extra. The person named in the operator license grant is authorized to be the control operator of an amateur station with the privileges authorized to the operator class specified on the license grant. (b) The person named in an operator license grant of Novice, Technician, Technician Plus, General or Advanced Class, who has properly submitted to the administering VEs a FCC Form 605 document requesting examination for an operator license grant of a higher class, and who holds a CSCE indicating that the person has completed the necessary examinations within the previous 365 days, is authorized to exercise the rights and privileges of the higher operator class until final disposition of the application or until 365 days following the passing of the examination, whichever comes first. §97.17 Application for new license grant. (a) Any qualified person is eligible to apply for a new operator/primary station, club station or military recreation station license grant. No new license grant will be issued for a Novice, Technician Plus, or Advanced Class operator/primary station or RACES station. snip §97.21 Application for a modified or renewed license. snip (3) May apply to the FCC for renewal of the license grant for another term in accordance with §1.913 of this chapter. Application for renewal of a Technician Plus Class operator/primary station license will be processed as an application for renewal of a Technician Class operator/primary station license. §97.119 Station identification. snip (f) When the control operator who is exercising the rights and privileges authorized by §97.9(b) of this Part, an indicator must be included after the call sign as follows: (1) For a control operator who has requested a license modification from Novice to Technician Class: KT; (2) For a control operator who has requested a license modification from Novice, Technician or Technician Plus Class to General Class: AG; (3) For a control operator who has requested a license modification from Novice, Technician, Technician Plus, General, or Advanced Class operator to Amateur Extra Class: AE. SUBPART C-SPECIAL OPERATIONS §97.201 Auxiliary station. (a) Any amateur station licensed to a holder of a Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced or Amateur Extra Class operator license may be an auxiliary station. A holder of a Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced or Amateur Extra Class operator license may be the control operator of an auxiliary station, subject to the privileges of the class of operator license held. §97.203 Beacon station. (a) Any amateur station licensed to a holder of a Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced or Amateur Extra Class operator license may be a beacon. A holder of a Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced or Amateur Extra Class operator license may be the control operator of a beacon, subject to the privileges of the class of operator license held. SUBPART D-TECHNICAL STANDARDS §97.301 Authorized frequency bands. The following transmitting frequency bands are available to an amateur station located within 50 km of the Earth's surface, within the specified ITU Region, and outside any area where the amateur service is regulated by any authority other than the FCC. (a) For a station having a control operator who has been granted a Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced, or Amateur Extra Class operator license or who holds a CEPT radio-amateur license or IARP of any class: snip §97.505 Element credit. (a) The administering VEs must give credit as specified below to an examinee holding any of the following license grants or license documents: (1) An unexpired (or expired but within the grace period for renewal) FCC-granted Advanced Class operator license grant: Elements 1, 2, and 3. (2) An unexpired (or expired but within the grace period for renewal) FCC-granted General Class operator license grant: Elements 1, 2, and 3. (3) An unexpired (or expired but within the grace period for renewal) FCC-granted Technician Plus Class operator (including a Technician Class operator license granted before February 14, 1991) license grant: Elements 1 and 2. §97.507 Preparing an examination. (a) Each telegraphy message and each written question set administered to an examinee must be prepared by a VE holding an Amateur Extra Class operator license. A telegraphy message or written question set may also be prepared for the following elements by a VE holding an operator license of the class indicated: (1) Element 3: Advanced Class operator. (2) Elements 1 and 2: Advanced, General, or Technician (including Technician Plus) Class operators. snip Go back to 11 meters, troll...and don't come back until you know what you're talking about. DE John, KC2HMZ |
"Twistedhed" wrote in message ... From: (Scott Unit 69) ROLDAIGNAULT wrote: From: Scott Unit 69 | PLEASE DO NOT | :.:\:\:/:/:.: | FEED THE TROLLS! | :=.' - Keith made a legitimate request to take action to eliminate the code testing. He provided the websites to do just that. If you happen to disagree with him on that issue, it doesn't make it a troll post. Keith wrote: as soon as possible. The first protest is August 1st 6 pm local time on 28.306 USB _ A troll is one who asks others to do something wrong. Yup,,that's certainly one of several definitions. In this case, it is use of 10 meters without the proper class of license. The second part of his message is something that can be done. If you wish to use 10 meters in violation of your ticket, so be it, it's your NAL, pay it if you want. His message is half-troll, half good idea. I think we all just need to sit back and wait a few more months to see what happens. You would be better off complaining about BPL. If it happens, HF won't mean ****, CW or not. (Also CB, MW, TV 2 thru 6, 6 meters, VHF lo band and harmonics out the wazoo) __ Well, I certainly can't take issue with his approach. Massive Civil Disobedience on a wide scale can be extremely effective. Has anyone else thought about what this "protest" may actally lead to? Suppose a plethora of ops show up, unlicensed and unauthorized, both, to partake in the protest. Then they can do it again the next week, Then the week after, and the week after,,,pretty soon, we can all be rolling onto ten meter as a place for more quality HF spectrum with no reservations and no licenses....with minimal enforcement...the way it ought be. Done told them nocodes over and over,,, watch they ask for,,,,,,,they just might get it. Some need to reach for that instant gratification, though, and it appears no matter how much noise they make, it ain't gonna happen. The code has it's purpose in life, and contrary to many nocodes belief, such is not to keep them down, but to add to and enhance their radio knowledge and capabilities. ------- Code also has a purpose, in that it will get through some band conditions that phone will not. Besides, it can be fun. 73 de Keith |
Hey MOPAR: IF we got rid of Sam Morse, then HOW would the hi tech YUPPIES
relieve stress by doing something low tech such as code? Could we welcome them to Channel 19 instead, OR would it give them MORE stress ? ! Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wrote in message ... Keith wrote: Face it the game is over, No code techs pick up your microphones and talk. Lmfao! -- GO# 40 -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
More Stress without Morse Stress on N8 ? !
Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wrote in message ... "Dave or Debby" wrote: Hey MOPAR: IF we got rid of Sam Morse, then HOW would the hi tech YUPPIES relieve stress by doing something low tech such as code? Could we welcome them to Channel 19 instead, OR would it give them MORE stress ? ! Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or Morse stress?! -- GO# 40 -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
Could we welcome
them to Channel 19 instead, OR would it give them MORE stress ? ! You listen to that sh!t? I can't stand the cussing, overmodulated scratchy audio or the echo for more then about 5 minutes. I stay on sideband. I won't have to worry about hearing you there, all the sideband radios were made in a communist country!!! |
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Channel 19 is invaluable when driving the big interstate roads for many
reasons..I can't begin to count the number of times I was able to bypass huge traffic jams by finding alternate routes. By the time one realizes there is an accident and traffic jam ahead, it could be way too late to exit and search for alternate routes and much time can be lost sitting in traffic jams. The drivers know where the smokeys are, the best coffee, food, cheap places to crash, gas prices and the best place to get gas. Toss in the deals some of the drivers offer over the radio (Brand New Palomar Blue Face 225s for 65 bucks, Down King Size Comforters for 40 bucks, and all kinds of goods and gadgets) and channel 19 is a far cry from being "sh*it" as it fills many voids. One man gathers what another man spills. Betcha 19 is around long after the hammie bands are confiscated. You must realize the difference on 19 from city, when I am, to country. Once you get out about 20 miles, 19 is a whole different ballgame. Here, it is used by the radio rambos, the CB equivalent of trolls. They all pop out at rush hour and prevent the drivers from passing information. They even think it's funny. 19 doesn't work here. |
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DX is running,,,,heard Southern MD a few minutes ago way down
low.....now listening on 38 LSB. I just hooked the 122/250 combo back up after removing it for the hamfest about 3:30. Our SSB net is at 8:30 tonight. |
I hope you don't get that musty smell that certain walkie-talkie
operators get, Scott. I'm sure -you- of all people won't. ;) I hit the rain room at least once a day. Fresh socks, shirt and underwear are important. Sometimes, pants are good for a day or two... |
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