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twistedhed December 28th 03 01:27 AM

Announcement to illegal amp makers
 
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.

FCC rule 2.815(b): After APR 27, 1978, no person shall manufacture,
sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for
sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of
selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any external radio
frequency amplifier or amplifier kit capable of operation on any
frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz.

Signed,

Your Masters and Owners, the AKC

Randy December 28th 03 01:41 AM


"twistedhed" wrote in message
m...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.


Kinda like having it known that you are a repeater jammer?



Steveo December 28th 03 03:20 AM

"Randy" wrote:
"twistedhed" wrote in message
m...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.


Kinda like having it known that you are a repeater jammer?

He's so in love with Twist, he took his handle. Pathetic loser.

Steveo December 28th 03 03:26 AM

(twistedhed) wrote:
You are being targeted for busts in 2004.

I'll run 3K if I choose. -YOU- sure as **** will -NEVER- have anything
to say about it, mouth breather.

Carry on, dip****.

twistedhed December 28th 03 06:15 AM

Steveo wrote in message ...
(twistedhed) wrote:
You are being targeted for busts in 2004.

I'll run 3K if I choose. -YOU- sure as **** will -NEVER- have anything
to say about it, mouth breather.

Carry on, dip****.


Yep, gotta have that power to attract your fellow faggots, I know how
it is with you gay keyclowns.

twistedhed December 28th 03 06:16 AM

"Randy" wrote in message ...
"twistedhed" wrote in message
m...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.


Kinda like having it known that you are a repeater jammer?


No, since that isn't true.
What it IS though is kinda like having it known that you are a
crackhead and a dick sucker.

Steveo December 28th 03 06:20 AM

(twistedhed) wrote:
"Randy" wrote in message
...
"twistedhed" wrote in message
m...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.


Kinda like having it known that you are a repeater jammer?


No, since that isn't true.
What it IS though is kinda like having it known that you are a
crackhead and a dick sucker.

You're a real jackass, faggot.

Steveo December 28th 03 06:22 AM

(twistedhed) wrote:
Steveo wrote in message
...
(twistedhed) wrote:
You are being targeted for busts in 2004.

I'll run 3K if I choose. -YOU- sure as **** will -NEVER- have anything
to say about it, mouth breather.

Carry on, dip****.


Yep, gotta have that power to attract your fellow faggots, I know how
it is with you gay keyclowns.

Heh, your jealosy is ugly, walkie talkie ****stick.

I'll burn down your signal, name the band.

Richard Cranium December 28th 03 01:58 PM

(twistedhed) wrote in message om...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.


Make certain to laugh when one of your ham friends goes down, too. We
might believe that you're unbiased if you do so. (that'll be the day!)

FCC rule 2.815(b): After APR 27, 1978, no person shall manufacture,
sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for
sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of
selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any external radio
frequency amplifier or amplifier kit capable of operation on any
frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz.

Signed,

Your Losers and Faggots, the AKC


Equipment in and of itself and mere possession of such equipment is
not illegal. Only certain uses of some equipment can be considered
illegal. No matter what you would like to believe.

I could have an entire house full of amplifiers and the FCC couldn't
touch them without presenting PROOF of illegal use. Read the CB rules,
dum@$$. If you know how to read, that is.

Richard Cranium December 28th 03 01:59 PM

(twistedhed) wrote in message . com...
Steveo wrote in message ...
(twistedhed) wrote:
You are being targeted for busts in 2004.

I'll run 3K if I choose. -YOU- sure as **** will -NEVER- have anything
to say about it, mouth breather.

Carry on, dip****.


Yep, gotta have that power to attract your fellow faggots, I know how
it is with you gay keyclowns.


You ought to know; you're the only faggot here!

Jerry Oxendine December 28th 03 07:25 PM


"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...
(twistedhed) wrote in message

om...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.


Make certain to laugh when one of your ham friends goes down, too. We
might believe that you're unbiased if you do so. (that'll be the day!)

FCC rule 2.815(b): After APR 27, 1978, no person shall manufacture,
sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for
sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of
selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any external radio
frequency amplifier or amplifier kit capable of operation on any
frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz.

Signed,

Your Losers and Faggots, the AKC


Equipment in and of itself and mere possession of such equipment is
not illegal. Only certain uses of some equipment can be considered
illegal. No matter what you would like to believe.

I could have an entire house full of amplifiers and the FCC couldn't
touch them without presenting PROOF of illegal use. Read the CB rules,




Yes, (I'm not part of the antis-) you can have lots of illegal amps and not
get cited. And you could "collect" them on a shelf to keep forever. If you
have not committed some *other* infraction, then it is a moot point. You
have to do something to get FCC's attention
to start with. Then the rules (Rule 10 and 11) apply and *could* cause you a
'rathuh sticky wicket, eh wot" as the old Brit aristrocrats used to say.
And the rule (and it has been quoted many times) states as follows:


RULE 10 - Power Output
{A} Your CB station transmitter power output must not exceed the
following values under any conditions:
AM [Amplitude Modulation] - 4 watts carrier power [CP]
SSB [Single Side-Band] - 12 watts peak envelope power [PEP]
{B} If you need more information about the power rule, see Part 95/
Subpart E.
{C} Use of a transmitter which has carrier [CP] or peak envelope power
[PEP]in excess of that authorized voids your authority to operate the
station.
RULE 11 - Linear Amplifiers
{A} You may not attach the following items (power amplifiers) to your
type-accepted CB transmitter in any way:
[1] External radio frequency [RF] power amplifiers, also called linear
amplifiers, or linears;
or
[2] Any other devices which, when used with a radio transmitter as a
signal source, are capable of amplifying the signal.
{B} There are no exceptions to this rule and use of a power amplifier
voids your authority to operate the station.
{C} The FCC will presume you have used a linear or other external [RF]
power amplifier if-
[1] It is in your possession or on your premises; and
[2] There is OTHER EVIDENCE that you have operated your CB station
with more power than allowed by CB Rule 10.
{D} Paragraph C above in this section does not apply if you hold a
license in another radio service (HAM, etc.) which allows you to operate an
external RF power amplifier.



So, you can see that it is Rule ll, sec 1 that could
bring about that "sticky wicket". By getting atten-
tion called to *some* other activities, those ampli-
fiers are now in FCC's headlights, so to speak, and
are in danger of being seized, or causing you a
fine. But, again, you are still right so long as you
don't call attention to those "illegal" radios/amps.
They could sit there forever----just as you said.

J

dum@$$. If you know how to read, that is.




twistedhed December 28th 03 10:46 PM

(Richard Cranium) wrote in message . com...
(twistedhed) wrote in message om...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.


Make certain to laugh when one of your ham friends goes down, too. We
might believe that you're unbiased if you do so. (that'll be the day!)

FCC rule 2.815(b): After APR 27, 1978, no person shall manufacture,
sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for
sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of
selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any external radio
frequency amplifier or amplifier kit capable of operation on any
frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz.

Signed,

Your Losers and Faggots, the AKC


Equipment in and of itself and mere possession of such equipment is
not illegal. Only certain uses of some equipment can be considered
illegal. No matter what you would like to believe.

I could have an entire house full of amplifiers and the FCC couldn't
touch them without presenting PROOF of illegal use. Read the CB rules,
dum@$$. If you know how to read, that is.


Wrong, fudgepacker. Ask the FCC. In their view, posession implies use.
Ask them, then shut the **** up and go back to the truckstop.

twistedhed December 28th 03 11:09 PM

Steveo wrote in message ...
(twistedhed) wrote:
"Randy" wrote in message
...
"twistedhed" wrote in message
m...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.


Kinda like having it known that you are a repeater jammer?


No, since that isn't true.
What it IS though is kinda like having it known that you are a
crackhead and a dick sucker.

You're a real jackass, faggot.


We know you wish it was true, because you worship our every word and
want to give us all head, but we are heterosexual. Cranus will let you
blow him though. he is faggot to the core.

Richard Cranium December 28th 03 11:43 PM

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message ...
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...
(twistedhed) wrote in message

om...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.


Make certain to laugh when one of your ham friends goes down, too. We
might believe that you're unbiased if you do so. (that'll be the day!)

FCC rule 2.815(b): After APR 27, 1978, no person shall manufacture,
sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for
sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of
selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any external radio
frequency amplifier or amplifier kit capable of operation on any
frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz.

Signed,

Your Losers and Faggots, the AKC


Equipment in and of itself and mere possession of such equipment is
not illegal. Only certain uses of some equipment can be considered
illegal. No matter what you would like to believe.

I could have an entire house full of amplifiers and the FCC couldn't
touch them without presenting PROOF of illegal use. Read the CB rules,




Yes, (I'm not part of the antis-) you can have lots of illegal amps and not
get cited. And you could "collect" them on a shelf to keep forever. If you
have not committed some *other* infraction, then it is a moot point. You
have to do something to get FCC's attention
to start with. Then the rules (Rule 10 and 11) apply and *could* cause you a
'rathuh sticky wicket, eh wot" as the old Brit aristrocrats used to say.
And the rule (and it has been quoted many times) states as follows:


RULE 10 - Power Output
{A} Your CB station transmitter power output must not exceed the
following values under any conditions:
AM [Amplitude Modulation] - 4 watts carrier power [CP]
SSB [Single Side-Band] - 12 watts peak envelope power [PEP]
{B} If you need more information about the power rule, see Part 95/
Subpart E.
{C} Use of a transmitter which has carrier [CP] or peak envelope power
[PEP]in excess of that authorized voids your authority to operate the
station.
RULE 11 - Linear Amplifiers
{A} You may not attach the following items (power amplifiers) to your
type-accepted CB transmitter in any way:
[1] External radio frequency [RF] power amplifiers, also called linear
amplifiers, or linears;
or
[2] Any other devices which, when used with a radio transmitter as a
signal source, are capable of amplifying the signal.
{B} There are no exceptions to this rule and use of a power amplifier
voids your authority to operate the station.
{C} The FCC will presume you have used a linear or other external [RF]
power amplifier if-
[1] It is in your possession or on your premises; and


Make that AND (all caps), to be correct as per FCC Rule 95.411(C)

That means there must be additional legal evidence, not simply
possession. Something that Georgie-girl and DouGay deliberately will
not understand.

[2] There is OTHER EVIDENCE that you have operated your CB station
with more power than allowed by CB Rule 10.
{D} Paragraph C above in this section does not apply if you hold a
license in another radio service (HAM, etc.) which allows you to operate an
external RF power amplifier.



So, you can see that it is Rule ll, sec 1 that could
bring about that "sticky wicket".


Not correct. BOTH sections have to be satisfied before any legal
infraction has been committed, not just one part. In fact, it's sec 2
that might be a "sticky wicket". Sec 1 has no teeth by itself.

By getting atten-
tion called to *some* other activities, those ampli-
fiers are now in FCC's headlights, so to speak, and
are in danger of being seized, or causing you a
fine. But, again, you are still right so long as you
don't call attention to those "illegal" radios/amps.
They could sit there forever----just as you said.

J


Yet you encouraged people to use amateur radios for their CB
operations just a while back, Jerry. Those radios put out way too much
power (100 watts PEP vs 12 watts PEP legal limit) and would cause even
more interference if people took your advice!

Lancer December 28th 03 11:55 PM

On 28 Dec 2003 14:46:01 -0800, (twistedhed)
wrote:

(Richard Cranium) wrote in message . com...
(twistedhed) wrote in message om...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.


Make certain to laugh when one of your ham friends goes down, too. We
might believe that you're unbiased if you do so. (that'll be the day!)

FCC rule 2.815(b): After APR 27, 1978, no person shall manufacture,
sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for
sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of
selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any external radio
frequency amplifier or amplifier kit capable of operation on any
frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz.

Signed,

Your Losers and Faggots, the AKC


Equipment in and of itself and mere possession of such equipment is
not illegal. Only certain uses of some equipment can be considered
illegal. No matter what you would like to believe.

I could have an entire house full of amplifiers and the FCC couldn't
touch them without presenting PROOF of illegal use. Read the CB rules,
dum@$$. If you know how to read, that is.


Wrong, fudgepacker. Ask the FCC. In their view, posession implies use.
Ask them, then shut the **** up and go back to the truckstop.


No, you ask the FCC, possession alone does NOT presume use. There has
to be OTHER EVIDENCE that you had operated wirh more power.
Get your facts straight, then shut the **** up, because you don't know
what your talking about.

Jerry Oxendine December 29th 03 02:04 AM


"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message

...
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...
(twistedhed) wrote in message

om...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.

Make certain to laugh when one of your ham friends goes down, too. We
might believe that you're unbiased if you do so. (that'll be the day!)

FCC rule 2.815(b): After APR 27, 1978, no person shall manufacture,
sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for
sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of
selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any external radio
frequency amplifier or amplifier kit capable of operation on any
frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz.

Signed,

Your Losers and Faggots, the AKC

Equipment in and of itself and mere possession of such equipment is
not illegal. Only certain uses of some equipment can be considered
illegal. No matter what you would like to believe.

I could have an entire house full of amplifiers and the FCC couldn't
touch them without presenting PROOF of illegal use. Read the CB rules,




Yes, (I'm not part of the antis-) you can have lots of illegal amps and

not
get cited. And you could "collect" them on a shelf to keep forever. If

you
have not committed some *other* infraction, then it is a moot point.

You
have to do something to get FCC's attention
to start with. Then the rules (Rule 10 and 11) apply and *could* cause

you a
'rathuh sticky wicket, eh wot" as the old Brit aristrocrats used to say.
And the rule (and it has been quoted many times) states as follows:


RULE 10 - Power Output
{A} Your CB station transmitter power output must not exceed the
following values under any conditions:
AM [Amplitude Modulation] - 4 watts carrier power [CP]
SSB [Single Side-Band] - 12 watts peak envelope power [PEP]
{B} If you need more information about the power rule, see Part

95/
Subpart E.
{C} Use of a transmitter which has carrier [CP] or peak envelope

power
[PEP]in excess of that authorized voids your authority to operate the
station.
RULE 11 - Linear Amplifiers
{A} You may not attach the following items (power amplifiers) to

your
type-accepted CB transmitter in any way:
[1] External radio frequency [RF] power amplifiers, also called

linear
amplifiers, or linears;
or
[2] Any other devices which, when used with a radio transmitter as

a
signal source, are capable of amplifying the signal.
{B} There are no exceptions to this rule and use of a power

amplifier
voids your authority to operate the station.
{C} The FCC will presume you have used a linear or other external

[RF]
power amplifier if-
[1] It is in your possession or on your premises; and


Make that AND (all caps), to be correct as per FCC Rule 95.411(C)

That means there must be additional legal evidence, not simply
possession. Something that Georgie-girl and DouGay deliberately will
not understand.

[2] There is OTHER EVIDENCE that you have operated your CB station
with more power than allowed by CB Rule 10.
{D} Paragraph C above in this section does not apply if you hold a
license in another radio service (HAM, etc.) which allows you to operate

an
external RF power amplifier.



So, you can see that it is Rule ll, sec 1 that could
bring about that "sticky wicket".


Not correct. BOTH sections have to be satisfied before any legal
infraction has been committed, not just one part. In fact, it's sec 2
that might be a "sticky wicket". Sec 1 has no teeth by itself.

By getting atten-
tion called to *some* other activities, those ampli-
fiers are now in FCC's headlights, so to speak, and
are in danger of being seized, or causing you a
fine. But, again, you are still right so long as you
don't call attention to those "illegal" radios/amps.
They could sit there forever----just as you said.

J


Yet you encouraged people to use amateur radios for their CB
operations just a while back, Jerry. Those radios put out way too much
power (100 watts PEP vs 12 watts PEP legal limit) and would cause even
more interference if people took your advice!




Would you point out where/when/how I encouraged the
use of Amateur equipment on CB? I simply don't recall
having done such--particularly since I never talk on CB
except very rare occasions. If you have the archival evidence, I would LOVE
to see it. I am not here to argue with you, just to set it straight and
will readily admit
it *IF* I said such a thing. Please provide the exact quote where I said
that.


The way I read the reg, again not to argue with you, there is nothing
illegal about having questionable (?) equipment
in one's possession. However, it states that if such equipment is found, it
will be assumed to have been used
in conjunction with your CB equipment. After all, FCC
doesn't go around looking for "illegal" equipment; as long
as it is not used (such as an amp), the question is moot.
How are they to know *if* you have such equipment? It
is not illegal until you USE it. Am I wrongly reading the
following section?

[1] It is in your possession or on your premises;

That, of course, is predicated on "OTHER" evidence which, I am thinking,
would be the use of a CB set with
an amplifier. If they have this "evidence". it would be in the form of DF,
spectral analysis, or other monitoring, in
which case, is the "other evidence" that, IMHO, is meant
by the additional paragraphs. Someone else have a better take on this?



Jerry



Jerry Oxendine December 29th 03 02:17 AM


"Lancer" wrote in message
...
On 28 Dec 2003 14:46:01 -0800, (twistedhed)
wrote:

(Richard Cranium) wrote in message

. com...
(twistedhed) wrote in message
om...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.

Make certain to laugh when one of your ham friends goes down, too. We
might believe that you're unbiased if you do so. (that'll be the day!)

FCC rule 2.815(b): After APR 27, 1978, no person shall manufacture,
sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for
sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of
selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any external radio
frequency amplifier or amplifier kit capable of operation on any
frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz.

Signed,

Your Losers and Faggots, the AKC

Equipment in and of itself and mere possession of such equipment is
not illegal. Only certain uses of some equipment can be considered
illegal. No matter what you would like to believe.

I could have an entire house full of amplifiers and the FCC couldn't
touch them without presenting PROOF of illegal use. Read the CB rules,
dum@$$. If you know how to read, that is.


Wrong, fudgepacker. Ask the FCC. In their view, posession implies use.
Ask them, then shut the snipback to the truckstop.


No, you ask the FCC, possession alone does NOT presume use. There has
to be OTHER EVIDENCE that you had operated wirh more power.
Get your facts straight, then shut the ------------



Right. Which seems to me to mean that when they have
measured the station with outside monitoring (spectral
analysis, etc) they already gotcha so to speak. They can certainly measure
your power from a distance, so that when they knock on your door and find an
amp, they
can "assume" that you are operating with excessive power. Now if an agent
came to your home without any
evidence (maybe as an acquantance or friend of a friend)
and saw a CB amp sitting on a shelf, then he couldn't cite
you for it because there is no "other" evidence that it is being used
illegally. That other evidence is usually gathered beforehand. Such an
agent *might* (I doubt it)
go back home and begin to monitor you--who knows?

Reasonable debate, not flames and filthy insults, is welcomed.

Jerry



jim December 29th 03 03:10 AM



Jerry Oxendine wrote:
"Lancer" wrote in message
...

On 28 Dec 2003 14:46:01 -0800, (twistedhed)
wrote:


(Richard Cranium) wrote in message


. com...

(twistedhed) wrote in message

om...

You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.

Make certain to laugh when one of your ham friends goes down, too. We
might believe that you're unbiased if you do so. (that'll be the day!)


FCC rule 2.815(b): After APR 27, 1978, no person shall manufacture,
sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for
sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of
selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any external radio
frequency amplifier or amplifier kit capable of operation on any
frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz.

Signed,

Your Losers and Faggots, the AKC

Equipment in and of itself and mere possession of such equipment is
not illegal. Only certain uses of some equipment can be considered
illegal. No matter what you would like to believe.

I could have an entire house full of amplifiers and the FCC couldn't
touch them without presenting PROOF of illegal use. Read the CB rules,
dum@$$. If you know how to read, that is.

Wrong, fudgepacker. Ask the FCC. In their view, posession implies use.
Ask them, then shut the snipback to the truckstop.


No, you ask the FCC, possession alone does NOT presume use. There has
to be OTHER EVIDENCE that you had operated wirh more power.
Get your facts straight, then shut the ------------




Right. Which seems to me to mean that when they have
measured the station with outside monitoring (spectral
analysis, etc) they already gotcha so to speak. They can certainly measure
your power from a distance, so that when they knock on your door and find an
amp, they
can "assume" that you are operating with excessive power. Now if an agent
came to your home without any
evidence (maybe as an acquantance or friend of a friend)
and saw a CB amp sitting on a shelf, then he couldn't cite
you for it because there is no "other" evidence that it is being used
illegally. That other evidence is usually gathered beforehand. Such an
agent *might* (I doubt it)
go back home and begin to monitor you--who knows?

Reasonable debate, not flames and filthy insults, is welcomed.

Jerry


thats a lot of ifs jerry. doesn't it sound bizarre when one talks about
'agents' monitoring? 1984 anyone???
seperately, this whole talk of trying to dictate 11 meter usage is fine
but unenforceable. listen to the nickel. does anyone really think u.s.
laws will make a difference? in the current climate where most of the
planet says stuff it to the u.s. 11 meters is the least of anyones
worries...


Richard Cranium December 29th 03 02:33 PM

(twistedhed) wrote in message . com...
Steveo wrote in message ...
(twistedhed) wrote:
"Randy" wrote in message
...
"twistedhed" wrote in message
m...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.


Kinda like having it known that you are a repeater jammer?

No, since that isn't true.
What it IS though is kinda like having it known that you are a
crackhead and a dick sucker.

You're a real jackass, faggot.


We know you wish it was true, because you worship our every word and
want to give us all head, but we are heterosexual. Cranus will let you
blow him though. he is faggot to the core.


Only Georgie-girl knows anything about that sort of stuff. It's
obvious to all who the faggot is, and he is Georgie-girl Busch WA3MOJ.

Lancer December 29th 03 02:53 PM

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:17:39 -0500, "Jerry Oxendine"
wrote:


"Lancer" wrote in message
.. .
On 28 Dec 2003 14:46:01 -0800, (twistedhed)
wrote:



Right. Which seems to me to mean that when they have
measured the station with outside monitoring (spectral
analysis, etc) they already gotcha so to speak. They can certainly measure
your power from a distance, so that when they knock on your door and find an
amp, they
can "assume" that you are operating with excessive power. Now if an agent
came to your home without any
evidence (maybe as an acquantance or friend of a friend)
and saw a CB amp sitting on a shelf, then he couldn't cite
you for it because there is no "other" evidence that it is being used
illegally. That other evidence is usually gathered beforehand. Such an
agent *might* (I doubt it)
go back home and begin to monitor you--who knows?

Reasonable debate, not flames and filthy insults, is welcomed.

Jerry


Sorry;
My response wasn't directed at you.

Richard Cranium December 30th 03 12:54 AM

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message . ..
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message

...
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...
(twistedhed) wrote in message

om...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.

Make certain to laugh when one of your ham friends goes down, too. We
might believe that you're unbiased if you do so. (that'll be the day!)

FCC rule 2.815(b): After APR 27, 1978, no person shall manufacture,
sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for
sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of
selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any external radio
frequency amplifier or amplifier kit capable of operation on any
frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz.

Signed,

Your Losers and Faggots, the AKC

Equipment in and of itself and mere possession of such equipment is
not illegal. Only certain uses of some equipment can be considered
illegal. No matter what you would like to believe.

I could have an entire house full of amplifiers and the FCC couldn't
touch them without presenting PROOF of illegal use. Read the CB rules,



Yes, (I'm not part of the antis-)


I have never equated you with the morons who call themselves "akc". I
may not completely believe that you are "unbaised", but you're head
and shoulders above those cockroaches.

you can have lots of illegal amps and
not
get cited. And you could "collect" them on a shelf to keep forever. If

you
have not committed some *other* infraction, then it is a moot point.

You
have to do something to get FCC's attention
to start with. Then the rules (Rule 10 and 11) apply and *could* cause

you a
'rathuh sticky wicket, eh wot" as the old Brit aristrocrats used to say.
And the rule (and it has been quoted many times) states as follows:


RULE 10 - Power Output
{A} Your CB station transmitter power output must not exceed the
following values under any conditions:
AM [Amplitude Modulation] - 4 watts carrier power [CP]
SSB [Single Side-Band] - 12 watts peak envelope power [PEP]
{B} If you need more information about the power rule, see Part

95/
Subpart E.
{C} Use of a transmitter which has carrier [CP] or peak envelope

power
[PEP]in excess of that authorized voids your authority to operate the
station.
RULE 11 - Linear Amplifiers
{A} You may not attach the following items (power amplifiers) to

your
type-accepted CB transmitter in any way:
[1] External radio frequency [RF] power amplifiers, also called

linear
amplifiers, or linears;
or
[2] Any other devices which, when used with a radio transmitter as

a
signal source, are capable of amplifying the signal.
{B} There are no exceptions to this rule and use of a power

amplifier
voids your authority to operate the station.
{C} The FCC will presume you have used a linear or other external

[RF]
power amplifier if-
[1] It is in your possession or on your premises; and


Make that AND (all caps), to be correct as per FCC Rule 95.411(C)

That means there must be additional legal evidence, not simply
possession. Something that Georgie-girl and DouGay deliberately will
not understand.

[2] There is OTHER EVIDENCE that you have operated your CB station
with more power than allowed by CB Rule 10.
{D} Paragraph C above in this section does not apply if you hold a
license in another radio service (HAM, etc.) which allows you to operate

an
external RF power amplifier.



So, you can see that it is Rule ll, sec 1 that could
bring about that "sticky wicket".


Not correct. BOTH sections have to be satisfied before any legal
infraction has been committed, not just one part. In fact, it's sec 2
that might be a "sticky wicket". Sec 1 has no teeth by itself.

By getting atten-
tion called to *some* other activities, those ampli-
fiers are now in FCC's headlights, so to speak, and
are in danger of being seized, or causing you a
fine. But, again, you are still right so long as you
don't call attention to those "illegal" radios/amps.
They could sit there forever----just as you said.

J


Yet you encouraged people to use amateur radios for their CB
operations just a while back, Jerry. Those radios put out way too much
power (100 watts PEP vs 12 watts PEP legal limit) and would cause even
more interference if people took your advice!




Would you point out where/when/how I encouraged the
use of Amateur equipment on CB? I simply don't recall
having done such--particularly since I never talk on CB
except very rare occasions. If you have the archival evidence, I would LOVE
to see it. I am not here to argue with you, just to set it straight and
will readily admit
it *IF* I said such a thing. Please provide the exact quote where I said
that.


I must confess that I haven't yet found it, but you did say something
to that effect. It's been a couple of months since that post.

Perhaps "encouraged" is too strong a word, even "recommended" might
be. IIRC, the thread was about either "splatterbox amps" or export
radios (both of which have always been illegal for use on CB, of
course) and you suggested (?) that folks use converted amateur radios;
perhaps with the best of intentions, figuring that ham radios have
better filtering than CBs, exports, and amps do. I made a comment at
the time (wondering aloud whether 100 watts PEP might not cause even
more interference than 12 watts PEP), but got zero response from
anybody.

I will continue searching and let you know what I find.


The way I read the reg, again not to argue with you, there is nothing
illegal about having questionable (?) equipment
in one's possession. However, it states that if such equipment is found, it
will be assumed to have been used
in conjunction with your CB equipment. After all, FCC
doesn't go around looking for "illegal" equipment; as long
as it is not used (such as an amp), the question is moot.
How are they to know *if* you have such equipment? It
is not illegal until you USE it. Am I wrongly reading the
following section?

[1] It is in your possession or on your premises;

That, of course, is predicated on "OTHER" evidence which, I am thinking,
would be the use of a CB set with
an amplifier. If they have this "evidence". it would be in the form of DF,
spectral analysis, or other monitoring, in
which case, is the "other evidence" that, IMHO, is meant
by the additional paragraphs. Someone else have a better take on this?



Jerry


Can't quibble with that. The FCC generally doesn't have the manpower
or the budget to send out "agents" to monitor anything but commercial
broadcast stations (which is one of the reasons why amateur radio is
allegedly [and ineffectively] "self policing"). But if they get
complaints, they will check into things.

Richard Cranium December 30th 03 01:00 AM

(twistedhed) wrote in message . com...
(Richard Cranium) wrote in message . com...
(twistedhed) wrote in message om...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.


Make certain to laugh when one of your ham friends goes down, too. We
might believe that you're unbiased if you do so. (that'll be the day!)

FCC rule 2.815(b): After APR 27, 1978, no person shall manufacture,
sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for
sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of
selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any external radio
frequency amplifier or amplifier kit capable of operation on any
frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz.

Signed,

Your Losers and Faggots, the AKC


Equipment in and of itself and mere possession of such equipment is
not illegal. Only certain uses of some equipment can be considered
illegal. No matter what you would like to believe.

I could have an entire house full of amplifiers and the FCC couldn't
touch them without presenting PROOF of illegal use. Read the CB rules,
dum@$$. If you know how to read, that is.


Wrong, fudgepacker. Ask the FCC. In their view, posession implies use.
Ask them, then shut the **** up and go back to the truckstop.


Wrong, faggot. As usual. And I quote from Part 95, Subpart D (CB
rules):

"95.411 (c) (1)
The FCC will presume you have used a linear or other external power
amplifier if-
(1) it is in your possession or on your premises; AND
(2) There is other evidence that you have operated your CB station
with more power than allowed by CB Rule 20."

Note the FCC's own use of "AND" and "other evidence". Simple
possession is not illegal.

Try reading it for yourself, if you know how to read (and comprehend).

You really should learn to open your mouth for something other than
changing feet!

But then, you do. At the truckstop. Ask any driver.

Steveo December 30th 03 01:07 AM

(Richard Cranium) wrote:
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message


-snipper-

I have never equated you with the morons who call themselves "akc". I
may not completely believe that you are "unbaised", but you're head
and shoulders above those cockroaches.

Jerry's a good guy, I agree. Sometimes we get carried away
with this crap, but Jer is a regular guy who isn't here
to harass.

Jerry Oxendine December 30th 03 02:21 AM


"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...


Richard,

I believe I DO remember the conversation ! (See there,
I told you I would admit it) and I *think* it had to do with
using the Galaxys and Connex's on the regular 40. (now
since I don't have the correct text, I think (?????) I was
trying to say that if you use the Galaxy and other export rigs within the 40
channels you would not be likely to run afoul of FCC in light of the
current emphasis on 10 Meter incursions. I don't even think the fed is even
concerned with the activity within the 40 channels so long as that
activity doesn't call attention to it. Usually it happens when a neighbor
complains..

OH well, whatever I said, I didn't mean to encourage
using ham equipment on the CB bands, etc etc. I hope
you can find that thread; I'd like to read it myself to see
what trouble I've got myself into! LOL!

73

Jerry



Steveo December 30th 03 02:24 AM

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote:
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...

Richard,

I believe I DO remember the conversation ! (See there,
I told you I would admit it) and I *think* it had to do with
using the Galaxys and Connex's on the regular 40. (now
since I don't have the correct text, I think (?????) I was
trying to say that if you use the Galaxy and other export rigs within the
40 channels you would not be likely to run afoul of FCC in light of the
current emphasis on 10 Meter incursions. I don't even think the fed is
even concerned with the activity within the 40 channels so long as that
activity doesn't call attention to it. Usually it happens when a
neighbor complains..

OH well, whatever I said, I didn't mean to encourage
using ham equipment on the CB bands, etc etc. I hope
you can find that thread; I'd like to read it myself to see
what trouble I've got myself into! LOL!

73

Jerry

An HF rig with a good ground and antenna makes less waves than a golden
screwdiver'd CB, any-day.

Jerry Oxendine December 30th 03 03:03 AM


"jim" wrote in message
...



thats a lot of ifs jerry. doesn't it sound bizarre when one talks about
'agents' monitoring? 1984 anyone???
seperately, this whole talk of trying to dictate 11 meter usage is fine
but unenforceable. listen to the nickel. does anyone really think u.s.
laws will make a difference? in the current climate where most of the
planet says stuff it to the u.s. 11 meters is the least of anyones
worries...


All I was trying to do was to get a correct interpretation of the US
regulations regarding spectrum management within its own territory.
Naturally, we cannot tell other
nations what to do, BUT *certain* issues can be negotiated thru treaties.
Essentially, it is 'you scratch
my back and I'll scratch your'n'. For example, some
little-known country wants grain from the US and that
country is jamming broadcast signals with a powerful
transmitter which messes up domestic stations. Whatcha
gonna do? You negotiate.

Agents monitor everyday--we just don't know it. It's been going on since the
FCC was created. One of the
radio services that has given them the most trouble has
been 11 Meter CB. What happens on "the nickel" can't
be regulated internationally by US law; common sense
would tell us that. But US law DOES apply to US citizens within Conus. If
our laws pertaining to radio, or
anything else for that matter, are unenforceable, then we
are in far more trouble than we know. What people don't
realize is that radio HAS to be regulated, and people have to have *some*
training in its use for it to be effective. All one has to do is look at 11
meters within the USA, not what happens outside, to see what a mess
it is. Regulation, licensing, and enforcement should never
have been done away with. Many of those who think the
regulations can't, wouldn't , shouldn't apply are the ones who truly can't
see the harm that can come to their OWN
use of radio, and, indeed, think we should just do away with any rules and
just talk anywhere we want to. Again
that is because they simply don't know. That is the same
atmosphere that existed in the early days before the Communications Act of
1934; i.e., it's been in that mess before.

Now back to the the rules we were discussing. The regulation we were
studying was the one about whether
one can be cited for having alleged illegal equipment in one's home in
conjunction with a CB-particularly ampli-
fiers. It says that (paraphrased) "if such equipment is found on one's
possession or on the premises, then it will
be presumed to have been used provided that OTHER evidence is found." To
me, that means that the "OTHER" evidence is prior monitoring, spectral
analysis, or other means of inspection) is grounds for warning, citation, or
fine as the case may be.

While "to you", Jim, 11 meters is of no concern, it has
caused some problems to other services. However, *some* operators are more
and more bringing attention to themselves by not respecting the boundaries,
rules, or
"fences" and operating where they will. Suffice it to say that, inspite of
those who scoff and say otherwise, there
are initiatives being considered--some Congressional,
some within FCC itself, some ARRL-sponsored, and some encouraged by
individuals--to curb the abuses brought on by the "unimportant" 11 Meter
issue. And
some of the people complaining are those OUTSIDE the
USA who are being interfered with. Eleven Meters is
not important because of its own constituency that WANTS it to remain
unimportant lest action be taken to
place sanctions upon it.

The rules ARE enforceable within the USA and I can tell
you that, thanks to the issue of 10 Meter intruders, there
are things I know of even as I write this. But let's not get
into a flame war and character asassinations. It is an emotional issue and
only time will tell what comes about.


Jerry



gw December 30th 03 06:59 PM

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message ...
"jim" wrote in message
...



thats a lot of ifs jerry. doesn't it sound bizarre when one talks about
'agents' monitoring? 1984 anyone???
seperately, this whole talk of trying to dictate 11 meter usage is fine
but unenforceable. listen to the nickel. does anyone really think u.s.
laws will make a difference? in the current climate where most of the
planet says stuff it to the u.s. 11 meters is the least of anyones
worries...


All I was trying to do was to get a correct interpretation of the US
regulations regarding spectrum management within its own territory.
Naturally, we cannot tell other
nations what to do, BUT *certain* issues can be negotiated thru treaties.
Essentially, it is 'you scratch
my back and I'll scratch your'n'. For example, some
little-known country wants grain from the US and that
country is jamming broadcast signals with a powerful
transmitter which messes up domestic stations. Whatcha
gonna do? You negotiate.

Agents monitor everyday--we just don't know it. It's been going on since the
FCC was created. One of the
radio services that has given them the most trouble has
been 11 Meter CB. What happens on "the nickel" can't
be regulated internationally by US law; common sense
would tell us that. But US law DOES apply to US citizens within Conus. If
our laws pertaining to radio, or
anything else for that matter, are unenforceable, then we
are in far more trouble than we know. What people don't
realize is that radio HAS to be regulated, and people have to have *some*
training in its use for it to be effective. All one has to do is look at 11
meters within the USA, not what happens outside, to see what a mess
it is. Regulation, licensing, and enforcement should never
have been done away with. Many of those who think the
regulations can't, wouldn't , shouldn't apply are the ones who truly can't
see the harm that can come to their OWN
use of radio, and, indeed, think we should just do away with any rules and
just talk anywhere we want to. Again
that is because they simply don't know. That is the same
atmosphere that existed in the early days before the Communications Act of
1934; i.e., it's been in that mess before.

Now back to the the rules we were discussing. The regulation we were
studying was the one about whether
one can be cited for having alleged illegal equipment in one's home in
conjunction with a CB-particularly ampli-
fiers. It says that (paraphrased) "if such equipment is found on one's
possession or on the premises, then it will
be presumed to have been used provided that OTHER evidence is found." To
me, that means that the "OTHER" evidence is prior monitoring, spectral
analysis, or other means of inspection) is grounds for warning, citation, or
fine as the case may be.

While "to you", Jim, 11 meters is of no concern, it has
caused some problems to other services. However, *some* operators are more
and more bringing attention to themselves by not respecting the boundaries,
rules, or
"fences" and operating where they will. Suffice it to say that, inspite of
those who scoff and say otherwise, there
are initiatives being considered--some Congressional,
some within FCC itself, some ARRL-sponsored, and some encouraged by
individuals--to curb the abuses brought on by the "unimportant" 11 Meter
issue. And
some of the people complaining are those OUTSIDE the
USA who are being interfered with. Eleven Meters is
not important because of its own constituency that WANTS it to remain
unimportant lest action be taken to
place sanctions upon it.

The rules ARE enforceable within the USA and I can tell
you that, thanks to the issue of 10 Meter intruders, there
are things I know of even as I write this. But let's not get
into a flame war and character asassinations. It is an emotional issue and
only time will tell what comes about.


Jerry


jerry didn't you used to be a truck driver when you were working? i
was just wondering because it does seem like you are always bagging on
truckers.....please explain....

Jerry Oxendine December 31st 03 02:25 AM


"gw" wrote in message
om...



Jerry


jerry didn't you used to be a truck driver when you were working? i
was just wondering because it does seem like you are always bagging on
truckers.....please explain....



Gladly!

Yes, I was a truck driver in the 70's for a private company that
manufactured filtering equipment for the
textile industry. I was laid off in 1976, decided not to
return, and eventually entered the railroad industry from
which I retired. It proved to be a good move for me.

WRT radio, I have been involved in radio since I was
10 years old. I was/am into several facets of radio and
got my license(s) at 16. Much of that experience was
in a structured environment--mostly military protocol--
and very little of that time was spend engaging in foolish-
ness. I got my first CB radio at 18 during the years when
there were callsigns, rules, and courteous operators. The
environment was very different around 1966-70. When
the Energy Crisis came along and CB erupted like a volcano, I was appalled
at the abandonment of the previous era's orderly, controlled way of
communicating
and was dismayed at the "outlaw" atmosphere that took its place. Therefore,
I did not install or use CB equip-ment in my own truck(s). By 1979, I had
moved away
from trucks and was fully engaged in the rail industry. I
also obtained my Amateur ticked in 1989 figuring that
since I already had much of the equipment in another legal service, I might
as well fully utilize it ! Please realize(inspite of the hopes to the
contrary)I neither even
picked up a CB mike, nor even listened to CB, much less
"interferred" with any communications whatsoever. Nor
would I ever interfere with truck drivers within the legal
boundaries of CB (or outside it for that matter for fear of
getting into trouble on my own). Only when I learned that
truck drivers (and others) were encroaching on 10 and
12 Meters, did I raise my periscope and take a peek.
These incursions beg the question, "OK, how long will it
be before 10/12 Meters are not enough and they then
begin using 17 Meters?" Certainly, this is not something
that would happen right away, but it could become an issue in the future.
Thus, I, along with many hams, began
to watch for these drivers and turn reports of what we
heard/saw. Many of them don't know that what they are
doing is illegal, and all that is needed is one gentle warning
from the Fed to cause them to stop. *Most* of them would quit it if they
knew they were intruding onto the
licensed ham bands. I have heard hams (when the band was open) actually talk
the drivers to warn that they weren't supposed to be there only to get told
to go "F**k
yourself" and other filthy things. Those hams that do that are actually
making it worse because they themselves would get a warning letter for
using AM on a band reserved for Morse and RTTY. I NEVER answer a call
from a driver; I only listen. I am not "bagging" on truckers. All they
have to do is not encroach onto bands
that they are not authorized. I know truckers work hard.
I know they are only trying to make a living. But they do not have to
"steal" frequencies to do that. They earned a
CDL, not a ham license (of course, they CAN do so and
many have!).

I know people don't believe me, but much of the things I
told you are coming true. FCC was, in effect, AWOL
WRT CB and Amateur Radio in years past.It is not
true now: witness the increasing instances of enforcement
actions (truckers, freebanders, and dealers like Pacetronics, Roper
Electronics, et al).

The solution is simple; just stay OFF bands and frequencies for which you
have no authorization. Have respect for that has been earned by others.
Nobody is
going to "bag" on anyone when they do that. I never
bother a trucker. Only when he keys up on 28 MHZ
does he trip my "radar". Otherwise, he won't hear from
me or most of the other hams that are being interferred with by those who
think they have a "rah't" to 'tawk on
this h'yar 10 meter reddio". Hehe.

Jerry



Sarge December 31st 03 02:41 AM


"Lancer" wrote in message
...
On 28 Dec 2003 14:46:01 -0800, (twistedhed)
wrote:

(Richard Cranium) wrote in message

. com...
(twistedhed) wrote in message
om...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.

Make certain to laugh when one of your ham friends goes down, too. We
might believe that you're unbiased if you do so. (that'll be the day!)

FCC rule 2.815(b): After APR 27, 1978, no person shall manufacture,
sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for
sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of
selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any external radio
frequency amplifier or amplifier kit capable of operation on any
frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz.

Signed,

Your Losers and Faggots, the AKC

Equipment in and of itself and mere possession of such equipment is
not illegal. Only certain uses of some equipment can be considered
illegal. No matter what you would like to believe.

I could have an entire house full of amplifiers and the FCC couldn't
touch them without presenting PROOF of illegal use. Read the CB rules,
dum@$$. If you know how to read, that is.


Wrong, fudgepacker. Ask the FCC. In their view, posession implies use.
Ask them, then shut the **** up and go back to the truckstop.


No, you ask the FCC, possession alone does NOT presume use. There has
to be OTHER EVIDENCE that you had operated wirh more power.
Get your facts straight, then shut the **** up, because you don't know
what your talking about.


If I might, the *other* evidence can be satisfied by the fact the amp is
inline with the radio and antenna.



Richard Cranium January 2nd 04 07:48 PM

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message ...
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...


Richard,

I believe I DO remember the conversation ! (See there,
I told you I would admit it) and I *think* it had to do with
using the Galaxys and Connex's on the regular 40. (now
since I don't have the correct text, I think (?????) I was
trying to say that if you use the Galaxy and other export rigs within the 40
channels you would not be likely to run afoul of FCC in light of the
current emphasis on 10 Meter incursions. I don't even think the fed is even
concerned with the activity within the 40 channels so long as that
activity doesn't call attention to it. Usually it happens when a neighbor
complains..

OH well, whatever I said, I didn't mean to encourage
using ham equipment on the CB bands, etc etc. I hope
you can find that thread; I'd like to read it myself to see
what trouble I've got myself into! LOL!

73

Jerry


It took some digging, but I finally located the thread. The message in
question was dated October 17, 2003.

And I may have overstated your comment; what you said was that you
had no objection to people using modified amateur radios on CB as long
as they stayed out of the ham bands , which is quite different from
"encouraging" people to use them. Mea culpa.

Steveo January 2nd 04 10:48 PM

(Richard Cranium) wrote:
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...


Richard,

I believe I DO remember the conversation ! (See there,
I told you I would admit it) and I *think* it had to do with
using the Galaxys and Connex's on the regular 40. (now
since I don't have the correct text, I think (?????) I was
trying to say that if you use the Galaxy and other export rigs within
the 40 channels you would not be likely to run afoul of FCC in light
of the current emphasis on 10 Meter incursions. I don't even think the
fed is even concerned with the activity within the 40 channels so long
as that activity doesn't call attention to it. Usually it happens when
a neighbor complains..

OH well, whatever I said, I didn't mean to encourage
using ham equipment on the CB bands, etc etc. I hope
you can find that thread; I'd like to read it myself to see
what trouble I've got myself into! LOL!

73

Jerry


It took some digging, but I finally located the thread. The message in
question was dated October 17, 2003.

And I may have overstated your comment; what you said was that you
had no objection to people using modified amateur radios on CB as long
as they stayed out of the ham bands , which is quite different from
"encouraging" people to use them. Mea culpa.

Jerry's hard to figure ($- David Allen Coe). He rips CBer's in
the policy group, but he's ok here at times.. fence sitter, Jer.

What's up with that, Jerry? ;-)

Jerry Oxendine January 2nd 04 11:49 PM

Again I may be wrong, but *most* of the time when I do
that it is in response to a troll like the one "Do hams tip".

And then it's to show how silly the stereotypes a "smelly" hams vs leaky
trailer and rusty ole Pontiacs with
twin 102" whips. I don't really mean to insult anybody.


Jerry


"Steveo" wrote in message
...
(Richard Cranium) wrote:
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
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"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
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Richard,

I believe I DO remember the conversation ! (See there,
I told you I would admit it) and I *think* it had to do with
using the Galaxys and Connex's on the regular 40. (now
since I don't have the correct text, I think (?????) I was
trying to say that if you use the Galaxy and other export rigs within
the 40 channels you would not be likely to run afoul of FCC in light
of the current emphasis on 10 Meter incursions. I don't even think the
fed is even concerned with the activity within the 40 channels so long
as that activity doesn't call attention to it. Usually it happens

when
a neighbor complains..

OH well, whatever I said, I didn't mean to encourage
using ham equipment on the CB bands, etc etc. I hope
you can find that thread; I'd like to read it myself to see
what trouble I've got myself into! LOL!

73

Jerry


It took some digging, but I finally located the thread. The message in
question was dated October 17, 2003.

And I may have overstated your comment; what you said was that you
had no objection to people using modified amateur radios on CB as long
as they stayed out of the ham bands , which is quite different from
"encouraging" people to use them. Mea culpa.

Jerry's hard to figure ($- David Allen Coe). He rips CBer's in
the policy group, but he's ok here at times.. fence sitter, Jer.

What's up with that, Jerry? ;-)




Steveo January 3rd 04 12:06 AM

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote:
Again I may be wrong, but *most* of the time when I do
that it is in response to a troll like the one "Do hams tip".

And then it's to show how silly the stereotypes a "smelly" hams vs
leaky trailer and rusty ole Pontiacs with
twin 102" whips. I don't really mean to insult anybody.

Jerry

"Steveo" wrote in message
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(Richard Cranium) wrote:
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...


Richard,

I believe I DO remember the conversation ! (See there,
I told you I would admit it) and I *think* it had to do with
using the Galaxys and Connex's on the regular 40. (now
since I don't have the correct text, I think (?????) I was
trying to say that if you use the Galaxy and other export rigs
within the 40 channels you would not be likely to run afoul of FCC
in light of the current emphasis on 10 Meter incursions. I don't
even think the fed is even concerned with the activity within the
40 channels so long as that activity doesn't call attention to it.
Usually it happens

when
a neighbor complains..

OH well, whatever I said, I didn't mean to encourage
using ham equipment on the CB bands, etc etc. I hope
you can find that thread; I'd like to read it myself to see
what trouble I've got myself into! LOL!

73

Jerry

It took some digging, but I finally located the thread. The message
in question was dated October 17, 2003.

And I may have overstated your comment; what you said was that you
had no objection to people using modified amateur radios on CB as
long as they stayed out of the ham bands , which is quite different
from "encouraging" people to use them. Mea culpa.

Jerry's hard to figure ($- David Allen Coe). He rips CBer's in
the policy group, but he's ok here at times.. fence sitter, Jer.

What's up with that, Jerry? ;-)


Again I may be wrong, but *most* of the time when I do
that it is in response to a troll like the one "Do hams tip".

I was speaking of your -chicken band, hahaha- references in
the ham groups. It's all good. ;)

gw January 3rd 04 04:20 AM

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message . ..
Again I may be wrong, but *most* of the time when I do
that it is in response to a troll like the one "Do hams tip".

And then it's to show how silly the stereotypes a "smelly" hams vs leaky
trailer and rusty ole Pontiacs with
twin 102" whips. I don't really mean to insult anybody.


Jerry


"Steveo" wrote in message
...
(Richard Cranium) wrote:
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...


Richard,

I believe I DO remember the conversation ! (See there,
I told you I would admit it) and I *think* it had to do with
using the Galaxys and Connex's on the regular 40. (now
since I don't have the correct text, I think (?????) I was
trying to say that if you use the Galaxy and other export rigs within
the 40 channels you would not be likely to run afoul of FCC in light
of the current emphasis on 10 Meter incursions. I don't even think the
fed is even concerned with the activity within the 40 channels so long
as that activity doesn't call attention to it. Usually it happens

when
a neighbor complains..

OH well, whatever I said, I didn't mean to encourage
using ham equipment on the CB bands, etc etc. I hope
you can find that thread; I'd like to read it myself to see
what trouble I've got myself into! LOL!

73

Jerry

It took some digging, but I finally located the thread. The message in
question was dated October 17, 2003.

And I may have overstated your comment; what you said was that you
had no objection to people using modified amateur radios on CB as long
as they stayed out of the ham bands , which is quite different from
"encouraging" people to use them. Mea culpa.

Jerry's hard to figure ($- David Allen Coe). He rips CBer's in
the policy group, but he's ok here at times.. fence sitter, Jer.

What's up with that, Jerry? ;-)



why bring david allen coe into this conversation??? leave homes out
of it....by the way jerry i went and saw cold mountain.....the movie
sucked and it was a waste of $8.00 but i did see where you get that
southern mode of speech that you like to mimick from time to time on
here......thinking i guess that somehow that is a putdown of
truckers........well who cares right??? but the only thing i learned
is that the way you try and be funny mimicking truck drivers talking
is nothing more than sounding like you hillbillys in the carolinas
......nothing more and nothing less.......do you think it would be
appropriate to , ah i believe the term you use is:
'snicker'.......right about now????

Steveo January 3rd 04 04:25 AM

(gw) wrote:
Jerry's hard to figure ($- David Allen Coe).

why bring david allen coe into this conversation??? leave homes out
of it.

You've never listened to -hard to figure- ? It's one of David's
better tunes.

gw January 3rd 04 03:06 PM

Steveo wrote in message ...
(gw) wrote:
Jerry's hard to figure ($- David Allen Coe).

why bring david allen coe into this conversation??? leave homes out
of it.

You've never listened to -hard to figure- ? It's one of David's
better tunes.


I never have listened to him that much....he always shows up drunk and
puts on a lousy show for big money.......to this day........same ole,
same ole.....however some people like that.......i learned a long time
ago about concerts.....waste of money.........

Steveo January 3rd 04 03:25 PM

(gw) wrote:
Steveo wrote in message
...
(gw) wrote:
Jerry's hard to figure ($- David Allen Coe).

why bring david allen coe into this conversation??? leave homes out
of it.

You've never listened to -hard to figure- ? It's one of David's
better tunes.


I never have listened to him that much....he always shows up drunk and
puts on a lousy show for big money.......to this day........same ole,
same ole.....however some people like that.......i learned a long time
ago about concerts.....waste of money.........

His x-rated stuff is hilarious!

Jerry Oxendine January 3rd 04 09:25 PM


"gw" wrote in message


but the only thing i learned
is that the way you try and be funny mimicking truck drivers talking
is nothing more than sounding like you hillbillys in the carolinas
.....nothing more and nothing less.......do you think it would be
appropriate to , ah i believe the term you use is:
'snicker'.......right about now????



Sure! Snicker away! As to the way the drivers talk, all you gotta do is
listen...........................


J



Jerry Oxendine January 4th 04 03:53 AM


"gw" wrote in message
om...

.....nothing more and nothing less.......do you think it would be
appropriate to , ah i believe the term you use is:
'snicker'.......right about now????






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