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ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:14:47 -0500, Lou wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 20:44:09 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: "Tom" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:30:46 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: Learning the code, and then not using it, is just plain DUMB. Dan/W4NTI No it isn't. The majority of Hams have no interest in CW. Like myself, we only learned it to get our license. Now, its time has passed. Then I feel sorry for you. Don't feel sorry for me. I have a beautiful home, with 2 rooms dedicated to radios. I have over a dozen radios and 6 antennas topside. I have no problem finding someone, somewhere to TALK to. You old-timers want to peck away like woodpeckers. Have fun. Much like Lou, I have a 2 car garage full of Radio Equipment, Antennas, Computers and other electronic stuff. The only one you need to feel sorry for is yourself and the other closed minded peckers. |
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:18:50 -0500, Lou wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 20:47:50 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: "Lou" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:34:39 -0500, Tom wrote: On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:30:46 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: Learning the code, and then not using it, is just plain DUMB. Dan/W4NTI No it isn't. The majority of Hams have no interest in CW. Like myself, we only learned it to get our license. Now, its time has passed. Exactly. Unfortunately the people that learned the code, including the "know-coders" that have no interest in CW, have a chip on their shoulder because they HAD to learn it. You must be from the 'me' generation. I learned Morse Code because it was a license requirement. It never occured to me to whine and bitch and hope the FCC would hear me. All you do is whine and bitch. Then guess what happened? I used it, and three months after I got my Novice I had a General. ANd then what did I do? I STILL operated CW. Actually those of you that automatically assume CW is just no fun at all are really missing a large part of the enjoyement of Ham Radio. Whatever turns you on. I learned because I had to. To me it's boring and you couldn't pay me to use it. Thankfully, in the near future others won't be forced to go through the silly hazing ritual code test, to get their license. AMEN Lou!! |
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:31:43 GMT, Jim Higgins wrote:
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:01:26 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote: "Lou" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 20:44:09 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: "Tom" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:30:46 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: Learning the code, and then not using it, is just plain DUMB. Dan/W4NTI No it isn't. The majority of Hams have no interest in CW. Like myself, we only learned it to get our license. Now, its time has passed. Then I feel sorry for you. Don't feel sorry for me. I have a beautiful home, with 2 rooms dedicated to radios. I have over a dozen radios and 6 antennas topside. I have no problem finding someone, somewhere to TALK to. You old-timers want to peck away like woodpeckers. Have fun. I am so proud of your life style. But that does not change a thing I have said. Bottom line is you are too lazy to learn the Morse code, thus you are intentionally shutting yourself out of a enjoyable part of Amateur Radio. And further show your ignorance, you state we are 'pecking away'. Wrong again. Dan/W4NTI Maybe enjoyable for you Dan, Others don't like it and feel that being forced into it is not right. If we are not forced to operate in CW mode, then why be forced to learn CW? |
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:13:43 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote: "Old School" wrote in message .. . You must be from the 'me' generation. I learned Morse Code because it was a license requirement. It never occured to me to whine and bitch and hope the FCC would hear me. Then guess what happened? I used it, and three months after I got my Novice I had a General. ANd then what did I do? I STILL operated CW. Actually those of you that automatically assume CW is just no fun at all are really missing a large part of the enjoyement of Ham Radio. I actually feel sorry for you. Dan/W4NTI Now that is a true and honest response Dan. That is what I like to hear. Even though I still believe morse shouldnt be a requirement in order to get to HF Amateur, I do believe that the ones who love CW should encourage its use and if there are those who want to learn, help them out. The problem alot of people have in there areas is, Without the ticket, they cant talk HF. Therefore discussing CW would be non existent for those. Most people dont do CW in the UHF/VHF bands even though there are a few, But not every city or county has CW users in those UHF/VHF bands. HF has the abillity to travel a greater distance than the UHF/VHF bands therefore increasing the readiness of CW and the ability to learn from others. I have offered to do cw training locally, I am available to help in any way I can. But what I usually get from this crowd is negative commentary, thus I respond in kind. Their loss. Dan/W4NTI It's is probably because no one takes the time to explain why they say what they do. Hey, I can't deny I won't dislike CW, I just have no use for it at this time and don't feel I should be forced to learn it in order to go to HF. If and when I get to HF and I hear a few stations keying-a-way on CW, I will be the first to admit that I am wondering what the hell are they talking about? Give me credit here, I am interested in it, And I do know one thing that I haven't seen anybody say that shows I do know something about it, You can't send your voice through the CW or FSK modes. 73 kf6foz |
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"Old School" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:13:43 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: "Old School" wrote in message .. . You must be from the 'me' generation. I learned Morse Code because it was a license requirement. It never occured to me to whine and bitch and hope the FCC would hear me. Then guess what happened? I used it, and three months after I got my Novice I had a General. ANd then what did I do? I STILL operated CW. Actually those of you that automatically assume CW is just no fun at all are really missing a large part of the enjoyement of Ham Radio. I actually feel sorry for you. Dan/W4NTI Now that is a true and honest response Dan. That is what I like to hear. Even though I still believe morse shouldnt be a requirement in order to get to HF Amateur, I do believe that the ones who love CW should encourage its use and if there are those who want to learn, help them out. The problem alot of people have in there areas is, Without the ticket, they cant talk HF. Therefore discussing CW would be non existent for those. Most people dont do CW in the UHF/VHF bands even though there are a few, But not every city or county has CW users in those UHF/VHF bands. HF has the abillity to travel a greater distance than the UHF/VHF bands therefore increasing the readiness of CW and the ability to learn from others. I have offered to do cw training locally, I am available to help in any way I can. But what I usually get from this crowd is negative commentary, thus I respond in kind. Their loss. Dan/W4NTI It's is probably because no one takes the time to explain why they say what they do. Hey, I can't deny I won't dislike CW, I just have no use for it at this time and don't feel I should be forced to learn it in order to go to HF. If and when I get to HF and I hear a few stations keying-a-way on CW, I will be the first to admit that I am wondering what the hell are they talking about? Give me credit here, I am interested in it, And I do know one thing that I haven't seen anybody say that shows I do know something about it, You can't send your voice through the CW or FSK modes. 73 kf6foz SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW ?????? Instead of bantering back and forth, you say you haven't heard any 'explainations'. So ask away. Dan/W4NTI |
"Old School" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:01:26 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: "Lou" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 20:44:09 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: "Tom" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:30:46 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: Learning the code, and then not using it, is just plain DUMB. Dan/W4NTI No it isn't. The majority of Hams have no interest in CW. Like myself, we only learned it to get our license. Now, its time has passed. Then I feel sorry for you. Don't feel sorry for me. I have a beautiful home, with 2 rooms dedicated to radios. I have over a dozen radios and 6 antennas topside. I have no problem finding someone, somewhere to TALK to. You old-timers want to peck away like woodpeckers. Have fun. I am so proud of your life style. But that does not change a thing I have said. Bottom line is you are too lazy to learn the Morse code, thus you are intentionally shutting yourself out of a enjoyable part of Amateur Radio. And further show your ignorance, you state we are 'pecking away'. Wrong again. Dan/W4NTI Maybe enjoyable for you Dan, Others don't like it and feel that being forced into it is not right. If we are not forced to operate in CW mode, then why be forced to learn CW? Then why are you not complaining about having to take a TEST on radio theory?? Or is that next on the dumbing down list ? Dan/W4NTI |
On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 00:40:51 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote: "Old School" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:01:26 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: "Lou" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 20:44:09 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: "Tom" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:30:46 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: Learning the code, and then not using it, is just plain DUMB. Dan/W4NTI No it isn't. The majority of Hams have no interest in CW. Like myself, we only learned it to get our license. Now, its time has passed. Then I feel sorry for you. Don't feel sorry for me. I have a beautiful home, with 2 rooms dedicated to radios. I have over a dozen radios and 6 antennas topside. I have no problem finding someone, somewhere to TALK to. You old-timers want to peck away like woodpeckers. Have fun. I am so proud of your life style. But that does not change a thing I have said. Bottom line is you are too lazy to learn the Morse code, thus you are intentionally shutting yourself out of a enjoyable part of Amateur Radio. And further show your ignorance, you state we are 'pecking away'. Wrong again. Dan/W4NTI Maybe enjoyable for you Dan, Others don't like it and feel that being forced into it is not right. If we are not forced to operate in CW mode, then why be forced to learn CW? Then why are you not complaining about having to take a TEST on radio theory?? Or is that next on the dumbing down list ? Dan/W4NTI What is wrong with radio theory? |
"Old School" wrote in message ... On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 00:40:51 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: "Old School" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:01:26 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: "Lou" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 20:44:09 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: "Tom" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:30:46 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote: Learning the code, and then not using it, is just plain DUMB. Dan/W4NTI No it isn't. The majority of Hams have no interest in CW. Like myself, we only learned it to get our license. Now, its time has passed. Then I feel sorry for you. Don't feel sorry for me. I have a beautiful home, with 2 rooms dedicated to radios. I have over a dozen radios and 6 antennas topside. I have no problem finding someone, somewhere to TALK to. You old-timers want to peck away like woodpeckers. Have fun. I am so proud of your life style. But that does not change a thing I have said. Bottom line is you are too lazy to learn the Morse code, thus you are intentionally shutting yourself out of a enjoyable part of Amateur Radio. And further show your ignorance, you state we are 'pecking away'. Wrong again. Dan/W4NTI Maybe enjoyable for you Dan, Others don't like it and feel that being forced into it is not right. If we are not forced to operate in CW mode, then why be forced to learn CW? Then why are you not complaining about having to take a TEST on radio theory?? Or is that next on the dumbing down list ? Dan/W4NTI What is wrong with radio theory? Nothing at all. I just want to see if Lou thinks removing the test is next. Dan/W4NTI |
Old School wrote: What is wrong with radio theory? Nothing, really. It's just that Steveo is either too dumb to learn it. So his presence in amateur radio dumbs it down for everyone. |
On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:11:04 GMT, Old School
wrote: snip Then why are you not complaining about having to take a TEST on radio theory?? Or is that next on the dumbing down list ? Dan/W4NTI What is wrong with radio theory? Nothing is wrong with it, but it is not needed to the depth or extent that is tested for. I can tune and operate any transceiver without knowing how to build it or repair it. I can build an antenna from a drawing use basic math and mechanical skills. Any knowledge more in depth than that would come from my needs and desires. In the meantime I would operate in full compliance and as cleanly as any amateur would be expected to operate. Now look at it from the point of someone that has no trouble copying code but stumbles on theory. The Morse code requirements have been dumbed down a lot over the years. When I was WN6MKE in 1967 or so I think I had to copy 13 WPM to get that license. I never did advance it for a variety of reasons. I can do Morse code. I can copy 15-20 wpm any day, for 20 odd years I did as much as 35-40 (down on paper and formatted), and 60-90 WPM in short mental "snapshots". That was when I was at my prime. I operated transmitters and receivers and was very good at it. I did not work on them, it was not my job. I was not even allowed to open the cases! But I have had lifelong poor mathematical/electronic theory skills. It just does not soak in. I am now a relatively new and not active yet Technician with code (K1JHE). I would like to have a general license but have not passed the theory test yet (in only two tries). When I look around, I see a lot of people with General licenses that easily passed the theory test and ground out a pass on the dumbed down 5 WPM code test. I don't feel good about them. They have a General license because it is easier to pass a dumbed down Morse code test than it is to pass a theory test that has not been dumbed down accordingly. I begrudge them that. What was the code requirement for a General class license in 1967? Why can't I get a dumbed down theory test that is commensurate with the dumbed down, 5 WPM, code requirement? Jack -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
"Jack Erbes" wrote in message ... What was the code requirement for a General class license in 1967? Why can't I get a dumbed down theory test that is commensurate with the dumbed down, 5 WPM, code requirement? Jack The code speed was 13WPM. Sent for 5 solid minutes. You had to copy 1 minute of 100percent copy to have passed. After you demonstrated your ability to send. This was in front of a FCC examiner, of course. The reason you can't get a dumbed down theory test as you indicated, is that the tests now are already dumbed down. So if you took the 1967 test, it would be harder. Dan/W4NTI |
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:54:16 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote: "Jack Erbes" wrote in message .. . What was the code requirement for a General class license in 1967? Why can't I get a dumbed down theory test that is commensurate with the dumbed down, 5 WPM, code requirement? Jack The code speed was 13WPM. Sent for 5 solid minutes. You had to copy 1 minute of 100percent copy to have passed. After you demonstrated your ability to send. This was in front of a FCC examiner, of course. And that's the way I took it. At the Federal Building in San Diego. The reason you can't get a dumbed down theory test as you indicated, is that the tests now are already dumbed down. So if you took the 1967 test, it would be harder. Damn! If I almost passed the '67 test and then had a near miss on the current test, that means I'm getting older and dumber, not older and smarter. That hurts. Thanks Dan, I guess I'll just have to do it the old fashioned way and keep boning up until I can pass the General test. I suck at theory and math but I am pretty good at deducing and/or memorizing answers for multiple choice questions. I can do it. Now I have to get a radio that works. I recently got a Yaesu 757-GX that has turned out to be DOA. But it was free to this point so I'll probably get it fixed if it is not too expensive. I might get on the air yet. In the mean time I'm enjoying reading some of the HAM news groups. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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