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Lancer February 12th 04 11:12 PM

On 12 Feb 2004 03:31:20 GMT, (Zeeeeeeee3) wrote:

I do not worry about a static discharge if the antenna is grounded. Hell, if
lightning its your house all you are going to worry about is your radio? I
am
thinking this is a good time to have the insurance paid up...


Is the static discharge unit only to protect the radio? I was under the
impression that it would also help prevent lightning strikes.
Thanks


No, it is what it says, for static discharge. It won't prevent
strikes. Disconnect all cables before they enter your house and
ground them.

Frank Gilliland February 12th 04 11:37 PM

In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:

From:
(Frank*Gilliland)
In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:
From:
(Zeeeeeeee3)
I do not worry about a static discharge if the antenna is grounded.
Hell, if lightning its your house all you are going to worry about is
your radio? I am
thinking this is a good time to have the insurance paid up...
_
(Is the static discharge unit only to protect the
radio? I was under the impression that it would also help prevent
lightning strikes. Thanks)



All bets are off with a lightning strike. No device can offer 100%
protection against a direct strike.



Unplugging the coax from the radio when not


in use comes pretty darn close.




No "device" can offer 100% protection against a direct lightning strike.



My goodness but you are predictable. First off, you have limited comprehension
of your limited vocabulary. From Webster's:

device -- n. 1. a thing devised; plan. 2. a scheme; trick. 3. a mechanical
contrivance; invention......

Second, disconnecting the coax from the radio is often done with a "device", or
haven't you heard of this new gizmo on the market called the 'switch'?

Third, your communication deficit is acting up again. Read the original post:
"....I was under the impression that it would also help prevent lightning
strikes." Unless you are from a different planet with some kind of wonderful new
technology that can actually change the weather at will, no "device" can prevent
lightning strikes, period.

Now go fly a kite, Dave.







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Zeeeeeeee3 February 13th 04 03:25 AM

No, it is what it says, for static discharge. It won't prevent
strikes. Disconnect all cables before they enter your house and
ground them.


Ok thanks. Follow-up question then.......why do I want to get rid of the
static? What if I don't?
Thanks

Landshark February 13th 04 02:11 PM


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
From: (Frank Gilliland)
In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:
From:
(Zeeeeeeee3)
I do not worry about a static discharge if the antenna is grounded.
Hell, if lightning its your house all you are going to worry about is
your radio? I am
thinking this is a good time to have the insurance paid up...
_
(Is the static discharge unit only to protect the
radio? I was under the impression that it would also help prevent
lightning strikes. Thanks)



All bets are off with a lightning strike. No device can offer 100%
protection against a direct strike.



Unplugging the coax from the radio when not


in use comes pretty darn close.




No "device" can offer 100% protection against a direct lightning strike.


Your both right, but you all forgot to
tell him to unplug the radio from the wall
too.

Landshark


--
Treat people as if they were what
they ought to be and you will help
them become what they are capable
of becoming.




Lancer February 13th 04 02:57 PM

On 13 Feb 2004 03:25:08 GMT, (Zeeeeeeee3) wrote:

No, it is what it says, for static discharge. It won't prevent
strikes. Disconnect all cables before they enter your house and
ground them.


Ok thanks. Follow-up question then.......why do I want to get rid of the
static? What if I don't?
Thanks


It might only take a static charge of a few hundred volts to damage
components in your radio. If you don't, that depends, most people
don't use them. Disconnect and ground your cables when storms are
heading your way.

Lancer February 13th 04 03:03 PM

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:11:40 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
From: (Frank Gilliland)
In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:
From:
(Zeeeeeeee3)
I do not worry about a static discharge if the antenna is grounded.
Hell, if lightning its your house all you are going to worry about is
your radio? I am
thinking this is a good time to have the insurance paid up...
_
(Is the static discharge unit only to protect the
radio? I was under the impression that it would also help prevent
lightning strikes. Thanks)



All bets are off with a lightning strike. No device can offer 100%
protection against a direct strike.



Unplugging the coax from the radio when not


in use comes pretty darn close.




No "device" can offer 100% protection against a direct lightning strike.


Your both right, but you all forgot to
tell him to unplug the radio from the wall
too.

Landshark


Not just his radio. My tower got hit last year, no damage to my
radios, they were disconnected and unplugged. I'm guessing due to an
induced charge in the wiring in my house, I lost 2 TV sets, 1
computer, my router and wireless access point. I now unplug just
about everything when storms are on the way.

Twistedhed February 13th 04 03:12 PM

LOL,,only your off-topic sidestep definitions don't apply in this case.
The original poster was referring to a device, as in "gadget", not a
"scheme",such as you presented in your desperate squirm for deflection.
In fact, all had no problem comprehending such, with the sole exception
of your self,,,...tsk tsk.,,and here you go again, the low self-esteem
and self-hatred you are forced to deal with, ****ing you off to no end,
manifesting in misdirected anger from your darkness. Such hostility for
no reason other than your personal problems.....that makes you a
.......lid.


Frank Gilliland February 13th 04 04:37 PM

In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:

LOL,,only your off-topic sidestep definitions don't apply in this case.
The original poster was referring to a device, as in "gadget", not a
"scheme",such as you presented in your desperate squirm for deflection.
In fact, all had no problem comprehending such, with the sole exception
of your self,,,...tsk tsk.,,and here you go again, the low self-esteem
and self-hatred you are forced to deal with, ****ing you off to no end,
manifesting in misdirected anger from your darkness. Such hostility for
no reason other than your personal problems.....that makes you a
......lid.



SOBR.







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w_tom February 13th 04 07:41 PM

The antenna requires an earth ground, first, as required by
National Electrical Code. That mounting rod should be
connected to an eight+ foot earth ground rod (available even
in Home Depot and Lowes). This required by NEC for human
safety, but also to protect transistors.

Incoming wire should enter building at the service entrance
so that a ground block (maybe $1 at Radio Shack or Home Depot)
connects 'less than 10 feet' to the building's single point
earth ground. Same earthing ground that also connects to AC
electric, telephone, and cable TV wire. Do not even think an
AC receptacle or water faucet will provide that necessary
earthing.

NEC requirements have changed since 1990 to require a
service entrance ground rod. You may need to install this
earth ground rod at the service entrance. Many homes don't
even have that much which is another reason why some homes
suffer household electronics damage.

Principles are demonstrated in this figure. Note an antenna
tower and building each have their own earth ground. Each is
earthed as if it were a separate structure. Every incoming
wire makes a connection to that earth ground. To make the
'system' work better, a ground wire interconnects the antenna
and building earth grounds:

http://services.erico.com/public/lib...es/tncr002.pdf

Static is irrelevant. A few hundred volts of static will
not damage any properly built radio. You could even static
shock your car radio antenna or a portable radio antenna
without damage. That would be as much as 18,000 volts - and
still no damage.

The earthing is required by NEC for human safety AND also
provides transistor safety. If lightning is provided a path
to earth ground via that exterior rod, then it too will not
seek earth ground, destructively, via your radio. Direct
strike lightning damage is that easily avoided.
Unfortunately, too many don't have necessary earthing, suffer
damage, and then declare nothing could have helped.
Generations of technical history say otherwise. Its all about
earthing - as even required by code.

Zeeeeeeee3 wrote:
Ok thanks. Follow-up question then.......why do I want to get rid
of the static? What if I don't?
Thanks


Lancer February 13th 04 08:43 PM

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:41:50 -0500, w_tom wrote:

The antenna requires an earth ground, first, as required by
National Electrical Code. That mounting rod should be
connected to an eight+ foot earth ground rod (available even
in Home Depot and Lowes). This required by NEC for human
safety, but also to protect transistors.


Where in the NEC code does it say that you need an earth ground to
protect transistors?


Incoming wire should enter building at the service entrance
so that a ground block (maybe $1 at Radio Shack or Home Depot)
connects 'less than 10 feet' to the building's single point
earth ground. Same earthing ground that also connects to AC
electric, telephone, and cable TV wire. Do not even think an
AC receptacle or water faucet will provide that necessary
earthing.

NEC requirements have changed since 1990 to require a
service entrance ground rod. You may need to install this
earth ground rod at the service entrance. Many homes don't
even have that much which is another reason why some homes
suffer household electronics damage.

Principles are demonstrated in this figure. Note an antenna
tower and building each have their own earth ground. Each is
earthed as if it were a separate structure. Every incoming
wire makes a connection to that earth ground. To make the
'system' work better, a ground wire interconnects the antenna
and building earth grounds:


What figure?

Do you work for erico?

http://services.erico.com/public/lib...es/tncr002.pdf


Whats this link? Have one that works?



Static is irrelevant. A few hundred volts of static will
not damage any properly built radio. You could even static
shock your car radio antenna or a portable radio antenna
without damage. That would be as much as 18,000 volts - and
still no damage.


Sorry, static is not irrelevant. You need to read up on static damage
before you make such foolish posts. Every electronics manufacturer in
the world takes great lengths to control static. When you talk about
static shocking your car radio antenna, or portable radio antenna
without damage, you need to look at other paths that the static
electricity would be taking. Would you allow me to connect your CB
antenna connection of your radio directly to an A.C. line? Thats only
115 volts.


The earthing is required by NEC for human safety AND also
provides transistor safety. If lightning is provided a path
to earth ground via that exterior rod, then it too will not
seek earth ground, destructively, via your radio. Direct
strike lightning damage is that easily avoided.
Unfortunately, too many don't have necessary earthing, suffer
damage, and then declare nothing could have helped.
Generations of technical history say otherwise. Its all about
earthing - as even required by code.


Last time I read, current seeks all and any paths to ground. Has that
changed? Direct strike lightning damage isn't as easy as earth
grounding your antenna. Hopefully no one else will believe your B.S.
that all you need to do is earth ground your antenna and electrical
entrance box unless you are willing to pay for any damage that they
receive following your instructions.


Zeeeeeeee3 wrote:
Ok thanks. Follow-up question then.......why do I want to get rid
of the static? What if I don't?
Thanks




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