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Help with my SWR/ set up
Hi
Here is what I just got, Cobra 29 LTD Classic that was bumped up a bit, a new Palomar Elite 300 amp (ebay) , Diesel (?) noise canceling mic and a Wilsom 5000 mag mount ant. I cant get the SWR down below 2.5. I ran a new 18' cable and a ground wire to the frame of the truck but ever time i key up the ANT light lights up on the radio. My questions a 1. How can I get the SWR down? 2. Is this a good combo? 3. on my amp it has a ON/OFF , HIGH, MED, LOW and a PRE-AMP on and off. What is with the PRE- AMP. Ok I know I will take a beating from some of you and that is part of the game but any help or any suggestions would be great. Thanks Rock |
you might be using cheap coax
(never use foam! foam diaelectric is actually the better coax. it's velocity factor is higher, less loss. ron |
Wow, there is alot more to this than I thought. I have alot to learn but now I
know where to start. Thanks |
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:30:11 GMT,
wrote in : you might be using cheap coax (never use foam! foam diaelectric is actually the better coax. it's velocity factor is higher, less loss. ron The velocity factor has nothing to do with performance, and the difference in loss is insignificant unless you plan on running several hundred feet. What -is- significant is that foam is easily ruined by mild heat, moderate bending or crimping, and humidity that gets trapped inside. Foam is a poor choice for mobile installations. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Ok im going to ground the radio and the amp tonight. starting with the antenna,
what should I replace the wilson mag mount with. I went with the mag mount due to parking in a car port. that way i could pop it off and set it in the bed of my truck. I wont lose any sleep over dumping the wilson but what shoud I get. I plan on upgrading every thing now but I would like to start with tha anyenna and then move on to radio. one thing at a time $$. It looks like I wasted money the first time around I would like to get it right this time. thank agan Rock by the way I was stationed in Miomar San Deigo and 29 palms. |
Here is what I just got, Cobra 29 LTD Classic that was bumped up a bit, a new
Palomar Elite 300 amp (ebay) , Diesel (?) noise canceling mic and a Wilsom 5000 mag mount ant. Most "tune-ups" involve stretching the coils that make up the low-pass filter. A watt meter reads all wattage, no matter what it's frequency. Now your amp and antenna reject the second harmonic and reflect it back to the radio. I cant get the SWR down below 2.5. I ran a new 18' cable and a ground wire to the frame of the truck but ever time i key up the ANT light lights up on the radio. My questions a 1. How can I get the SWR down? 2. Is this a good combo? 3. on my amp it has a ON/OFF , HIGH, MED, LOW and a PRE-AMP on and off. What is with the PRE- AMP. What you failed to mention was the SWR with the amp out of line. -Scott, with the KW-7 really mounted to the rear bumper, and a 1.5:1 SWR that TALKS. I still prefer resonance to perfect SWR! Oh yeah, 7 feet of coax...enough to make it from the box to the antenna mount. No crimped connectors here. 2x455 box fed by #6. |
On 19 Jul 2004 21:52:47 GMT, (ROCH USMC) wrote in
: Ok im going to ground the radio and the amp tonight. starting with the antenna, what should I replace the wilson mag mount with. I went with the mag mount due to parking in a car port. that way i could pop it off and set it in the bed of my truck. I wont lose any sleep over dumping the wilson but what shoud I get. I plan on upgrading every thing now but I would like to start with tha anyenna and then move on to radio. one thing at a time $$. If you have a roll-bar or utility rack you can weld a bracket at the top, then use just about any type of whip with a quick-disconnect mount. For top-mounted antennas I prefer center-loaded whips, but others like fiberglass and they work fine, too. Or, if you really want top-notch performance (in -both- Tx and Rx) you might try a full-sized 9' whip on the rear bumper and tie it down when not in use. I have a 9' whip mounted on the center of my roo-guard in the front and tied back so it doesn't catch on the brush. Anywayz, the 9' whip shouldn't cost you much more than $20-$30 for both the whip and mount. On the places where the antenna mount contacts the metal of the vehicle, make sure it's contacting clean, bare metal and makes a GOOD connection. For coax, get some RG-8 or better and avoid crimp connectors. If you have a soldering gun, learn to solder them yourself. It's ok to use up some coax to practice soldering these connectors because the results are worth the effort. It looks like I wasted money the first time around I would like to get it right this time. Nothing was wasted. It's always good to have a backup. Keep the old mag-mount for emergencies. thank agan Rock by the way I was stationed in Miomar San Deigo and 29 palms. Far out! I was in Stumps for C&E from late '81 to early '83! -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
"Scott in Baltimore" wrote:
Here is what I just got, Cobra 29 LTD Classic that was bumped up a bit, a new Palomar Elite 300 amp (ebay) , Diesel (?) noise canceling mic and a Wilsom 5000 mag mount ant. Most "tune-ups" involve stretching the coils that make up the low-pass filter. A watt meter reads all wattage, no matter what it's frequency. Now your amp and antenna reject the second harmonic and reflect it back to the radio. I cant get the SWR down below 2.5. I ran a new 18' cable and a ground wire to the frame of the truck but ever time i key up the ANT light lights up on the radio. My questions a 1. How can I get the SWR down? 2. Is this a good combo? 3. on my amp it has a ON/OFF , HIGH, MED, LOW and a PRE-AMP on and off. What is with the PRE- AMP. What you failed to mention was the SWR with the amp out of line. -Scott, with the KW-7 really mounted to the rear bumper, and a 1.5:1 SWR that TALKS. I still prefer resonance to perfect SWR! Oh yeah, 7 feet of coax...enough to make it from the box to the antenna mount. No crimped connectors here. 2x455 box fed by #6. Rock on! Steve with his Wilson 1000, two pill, and 2510 hard wired to the roof of his truck..all connections soldered all the way to the battery. Can't beat -good- hardware. |
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On 20 Jul 2004 01:29:58 GMT, Steveo
wrote in : snip Steve with his Wilson 1000, two pill, and 2510 hard wired to the roof of his truck..all connections soldered all the way to the battery. You soldered the power leads to the battery terminals and the antenna whip to the mount? Hard-core, dude! Can't beat -good- hardware. Frank droppin' the maul with his Johnson Messenger III, a dozen or so feet of RG-58, and 102" of stainless on the nose. ============= http://tinyurl.com/ytcah http://tinyurl.com/2yor7 http://tinyurl.com/2sapq (Twisty cast the first stone) ============= "...but I admitted I was wrong, Like a man! Something you and QRM have a problem with. You guys are wrong and you both know it and are both too small to admit it." "...but as usual, your best simpl isn;t good enough." "Athis is how proper communication wroks..." ---- Twistedhed ---- ============= -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:47:39 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in : snip ============= http://tinyurl.com/ytcah ......damnit, did it again. Taking the sig out from default..... -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 20 Jul 2004 01:29:58 GMT, Steveo wrote in : snip Steve with his Wilson 1000, two pill, and 2510 hard wired to the roof of his truck..all connections soldered all the way to the battery. You soldered the power leads to the battery terminals and the antenna whip to the mount? Hard-core, dude! I use outdoor romex! :) Can't beat -good- hardware. Frank droppin' the maul with his Johnson Messenger III, a dozen or so feet of RG-58, and 102" of stainless on the nose. Frank's got his groove on now! |
Frank Gilliland wrote:
.....damnit, did it again. Taking the sig out from default..... That's ok, my squelch took it out. |
On 20 Jul 2004 01:51:46 GMT, Steveo
wrote in : Frank droppin' the maul with his Johnson Messenger III, a dozen or so feet of RG-58, and 102" of stainless on the nose. Frank's got his groove on now! You know it! I actually caught some short skip driving home from the mountains last week. Some kid in Minneapolis running legal on a base. When skip is there, 2 watts is all you need! -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 20 Jul 2004 01:51:46 GMT, Steveo wrote in : Frank droppin' the maul with his Johnson Messenger III, a dozen or so feet of RG-58, and 102" of stainless on the nose. Frank's got his groove on now! You know it! I actually caught some short skip driving home from the mountains last week. Some kid in Minneapolis running legal on a base. When skip is there, 2 watts is all you need! That's all. You only need 20 hp or less to navigate too! |
On 20 Jul 2004 02:14:37 GMT, Steveo
wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Jul 2004 01:51:46 GMT, Steveo wrote in : Frank droppin' the maul with his Johnson Messenger III, a dozen or so feet of RG-58, and 102" of stainless on the nose. Frank's got his groove on now! You know it! I actually caught some short skip driving home from the mountains last week. Some kid in Minneapolis running legal on a base. When skip is there, 2 watts is all you need! That's all. You only need 20 hp or less to navigate too! ......hmmmm, let's see now..... 1 HP = 746 watts..... hey, this will be a 15kW paddle-wheeler! -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 20 Jul 2004 02:14:37 GMT, Steveo wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Jul 2004 01:51:46 GMT, Steveo wrote in : Frank droppin' the maul with his Johnson Messenger III, a dozen or so feet of RG-58, and 102" of stainless on the nose. Frank's got his groove on now! You know it! I actually caught some short skip driving home from the mountains last week. Some kid in Minneapolis running legal on a base. When skip is there, 2 watts is all you need! That's all. You only need 20 hp or less to navigate too! .....hmmmm, let's see now..... 1 HP = 746 watts..... hey, this will be a 15kW paddle-wheeler! hehe..you'll bring the chum up with RF..just stand-by with the net! Ever stand behind a led shield while fishin'!? |
On 20 Jul 2004 02:35:46 GMT, Steveo
wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Jul 2004 02:14:37 GMT, Steveo wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Jul 2004 01:51:46 GMT, Steveo wrote in : Frank droppin' the maul with his Johnson Messenger III, a dozen or so feet of RG-58, and 102" of stainless on the nose. Frank's got his groove on now! You know it! I actually caught some short skip driving home from the mountains last week. Some kid in Minneapolis running legal on a base. When skip is there, 2 watts is all you need! That's all. You only need 20 hp or less to navigate too! .....hmmmm, let's see now..... 1 HP = 746 watts..... hey, this will be a 15kW paddle-wheeler! hehe..you'll bring the chum up with RF..just stand-by with the net! Ever stand behind a led shield while fishin'!? No, but once I needed a flak jacket. Did you know that there is a 'right' way and a 'wrong' way to fish with hand grenades? -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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HAHHA,,,absolutely amazing,,this dude posts via aol early in the morning
wee hours when there are no other posts being made via AOL, but bypasses AOL and goes out of his way to sign up with google to make his post....and before the post can show up on most servers, Gilliland answers. Add to that the guy is getting rid of his Wilson because the first person he came across on usenet told him it was no good? The dude can change out and solder a coax connection but doesn't know how to set his swr and needed Frank to instruct him? HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA! Frank's self-esteem is the only thing taking a "beating". |
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 20 Jul 2004 02:35:46 GMT, Steveo wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Jul 2004 02:14:37 GMT, Steveo wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Jul 2004 01:51:46 GMT, Steveo wrote in : Frank droppin' the maul with his Johnson Messenger III, a dozen or so feet of RG-58, and 102" of stainless on the nose. Frank's got his groove on now! You know it! I actually caught some short skip driving home from the mountains last week. Some kid in Minneapolis running legal on a base. When skip is there, 2 watts is all you need! That's all. You only need 20 hp or less to navigate too! .....hmmmm, let's see now..... 1 HP = 746 watts..... hey, this will be a 15kW paddle-wheeler! hehe..you'll bring the chum up with RF..just stand-by with the net! Ever stand behind a led shield while fishin'!? No, but once I needed a flak jacket. Did you know that there is a 'right' way and a 'wrong' way to fish with hand grenades? Nope, somehow I missed that episode of Babe Winkleman. |
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:21:32 -0400,
(Nicolai Carpathia) tried desperately to walk and chew gum at the same time (post on-topic while trying to discredit me) by writing in : On 19 Jul 2004 05:01:36 GMT, (ROCH USMC) wrote in : *Hi *Here is what I just got, Cobra 29 LTD Classic that was bumped up a bit, a new Palomar Elite 300 amp (ebay) , Diesel (?) noise canceling mic and a Wilsom 5000 mag mount ant. I cant get the SWR down below 2.5. I ran a new 18' cable and a ground wire to the frame of the truck but ever time i key up the ANT light lights up on the radio. My questions a 1. How can I get the SWR down? Just three words: Grounding, grounding, and grounding. You need to ground the radio AND the amp AND the antenna. The antenna is already grounded. A Wilson mag mount needs no additional ground. A magnet isn't a any type of electrical connection at all. Some have been duped into thinking there's a capacitive coupling between the magnet and body through the paint, but fail to realize that the magnet itself prevents any capacitive coupling. That's why most mag-mounts come with 18' of coax yet frequently show high SWR. And unless the antenna is a dummy load, you can move the cable around and watch the SWR needle wander. Fact: Mag-mount antennas have ****-poor ground connections. By "grounding" I mean an "RF ground". At 27MHz, this means mounting the radio and amp directly to the chassis and/or using grounding straps that are no more than a few inches long. Only after your system is properly grounded can you address any other issues. Nonsense. One can mount the radio in a slide mount and to make it temporary or it can be mounted in a permanent manner. Nobody said it couldn't. A slide mount is fine if the receiver half is mounted to the chassis (or with a very short grounding strap). It can be mounted to the dash and a myriad of other places. Strip the plastic and vinyl from the dash, and behold... the chassis! The chassis also exists in a "myriad of other places". The radio does not need directly mounted to the chassis in order to provide proper grounding. In fact, this is less practical and not the manner of which the majority of cb installs are complete. It's very practical. It just takes a little extra effort. And those other issues can be many. Almost as many as there are ways in which to mount the radio other than mounted directly to the chassis. For example, your 'bumped' Cobra may have been 'bumped' by a moron; your Palomar may have a detuned input or output, a bad power transistor, or even worse it might be self-oscillating; you might be using cheap coax (never use foam!); you might have a bad antenna; etc. But regardless of the problem, it's always easier to troubleshoot if the system is properly grounded. *2. Is this a good combo? Not really. Sure it is. Palomar amps work quite well. When fed with the correct input levels. A radio that has been 'bumped' (which I assume to mean it has been tweaked for more power) may easily exceed the maximum input levels for the amp. Even 4 legal watts will overdrive most of the smaller amps. The makers of these cheap linears (that usually aren't very linear at all) don't tell you that the power rating is for -peak- power. LOL,,umm,,that's how amps are rated. You used the term linear, he called it an amp. Unless his Cobra is capable of FM, your point is moot. One that is familiar enough to add new coax to a Wilson is more than likely already aware of this. IOW, a 300-watt amp will do 300 watts PEP, which translates to a maximum of 75 watts RMS (AM carrier power). Push it any harder and you will get a bigger carrier, but you start clipping well below 100% modulation, splattering your signal across the spectrum. Watts are watts, regardless of how they are measured. Refer to them as RMS, PEP, or BIRD, as you have in the past...watts are watts. With many radios, the blue faced palomar 250 are will sing 100 watts all day long without bleeding and they are very cheap. A common misconception, hence the frequent and continuing occurances of RFI, and the increasing popularity of LP filters. You also appear to be incorrect pertaining to modulation, as there are many instances pertaining to cb, when one wishes to achieve loudest optimum modulation, a power mic is required. Many times, this can cause the bleed over to begin. Remove the power mic in many applications, and the bleed can often be removed. I don't expect you to follow, Frank, you're still smarting after having your head handed to you after making the stupid comment that fiberglass antennas can have nothing to do with bleed issues. CB radios have modulation limiters which prevent modulation from exceeding 100% (usually set for 90-97%). A power mic may clip and distort the audio, and if that happens just turn down the mic. But if the limiter has been disabled (as some monkey-techs like to do, one of their stupid "CB tricks"), the result is that the RF will start clipping and/or become unsymmetrical, both of which cause harmonics and 'splatter'. And overdriving an amp is ALSO a cause of harmonics, as I described before. Cheap CB amps like the Palomar are rated in watts PEP, even though they don't specify them as such. The way to tell is to look at the spec sheet of the power devices (transistors) and find out how those are rated, which is usually for PEP. That is the case for the Palomar in question. The difference is that AM is measured in RMS. With an AM radio that does 4 watts RMS (which is also the carrier power), it outputs 16 watts PEP at 100% modulation. So if your AM radio is driving your 300-watt amp to 300 watts carrier -without- modulation, the result is some big-time distortion because the amp is incapable of meeting the 1200 watts PEP requirement for an AM signal at 100% modulation. You should have had your Cobra 'dumped' instead of 'bumped'. That's a personal opinion coming from one who doesn't know any better and bases his technical advice on nothing but personal emotion. Slight peaking and tuning is perfectly acceptable when done by a competent technician. In fact, Many cb radios can use a tune-up alignment after being shipped. Most experienced ampheads have their radios 'detuned' for -lower- output power to prevent overdriving the amp. That's a fact, not my personal opinion. As for a mag-mount, personally, I wouldn't waste my money. Again, you don't know any better. Many of us have talked around the world on mag mounts, barefoot, on a regular basis. Mag-mounts are great solutions for temporary mounts, rental cars, quick disconnects, etc. Money spent on a Wilson is not wasted. It is to me because I don't need temporary mounts. If I want to remove the antenna I just unscrew it. And I don't rent vehicles, I buy them. But you have, Again, a perjorative personal opinion of yours. Lockheed Martin proved the efficiency of the Wilson in independent tests. You should check their test data and you may grasp why they are so popular and have legions of loyal customers,,,they make a tight product that delivers what they claim. Phen-fen had the support of independent tests and legions of loyal customers.... Firestone had the support of independent tests and legions of loyal customers.... Asbestos had the support of independent tests and legions of loyal customers.... DDT had the support of independent tests and legions of loyal customers....etc, etc, etc. so you should know that 18' of coax isn't a reliable substitute for the terrible grounding characteristics of mag-mount antennas. If you want real power you need a real antenna, not a glorified refrigerator magnet. "Real" is a relevant term. The Wilson will have no problem with the amplifier he is using. _ *3. on my amp it has a ON/OFF , HIGH, MED, LOW and a PRE-AMP on and off. * What is with the PRE- AMP. The pre-amp is used to amplify the received signal. They are mostly worthless because the usually much better than the S/N ratio of the pre-amps. IOW, they will just make the noise louder. However, they work great for older and low-end transceivers, and simple homebrew receivers. The pre-amps are worthless by no means. They work absolute wonders when the needle is flat with no noise for those extreme fringe stations. I've used a cheap pre-amp on a regular basis to talk to the east coast of Fl late at night,,,BAREFOOT. That's because you run a Tentec. Oh, and up North we have come up with a really cool invention that has been adopted by the vast majority of civilized society. It's called the "shoe". *Ok I know I will take a beating from some of you and that is part of the game but any help or any suggestions would be great. Here's your beating: If you want to play 'hammie', get a license. Running an amp isn't "playing hammie" to all, just to those anal retentive status starved individuals. If you can't afford a license (about the price of a happy-meal), or if the test is too difficult (even when you are allowed to memorize the questions and answers before the test), then at least get yourself a book on the subject and learn what you are doing. Seeing as he can solder and change out a coax on a Wilson, He never claimed to have done anything of the sort. Your communication deficit is acting up again, Twist. it appears he is learing what he is doing quite fine. If one wanted a hammie license, I am certain one would find that information if that is what they were seeking. With all the bull**** you have given this dude, he may run like hell from anything hammie related, merely because someone like yourself is advocating it, and he wouldn't be blamed for doing so. It's just the manner in which you come across to all those you can't understand. You're just jealous because I haven't given you a good beating for a while. Now go back to trollville and behave yourself until you are summoned for your next beating. ============= http://tinyurl.com/ytcah http://tinyurl.com/2yor7 http://tinyurl.com/2sapq (Twisty cast the first stone) ============= "...but I admitted I was wrong, Like a man! Something you and QRM have a problem with. You guys are wrong and you both know it and are both too small to admit it." "...but as usual, your best simpl isn;t good enough." "Athis is how proper communication wroks..." ---- Twistedhed ---- ============= -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:28:47 -0500, Daffy Duck
wrote in . com: On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:29:14 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) wrote: HAHHA,,,absolutely amazing,,this dude posts via aol early in the morning wee hours when there are no other posts being made via AOL, but bypasses AOL and goes out of his way to sign up with google to make his post....and before the post can show up on most servers, Gilliland answers. Add to that the guy is getting rid of his Wilson because the first person he came across on usenet told him it was no good? The dude can change out and solder a coax connection but doesn't know how to set his swr and needed Frank to instruct him? HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA! Frank's self-esteem is the only thing taking a "beating". your daffy, where did you see him post with google? In his mind. It's his communication deficit acting up again. ============= http://tinyurl.com/ytcah http://tinyurl.com/2yor7 http://tinyurl.com/2sapq (Twisty cast the first stone) ============= "...but I admitted I was wrong, Like a man! Something you and QRM have a problem with. You guys are wrong and you both know it and are both too small to admit it." "...but as usual, your best simpl isn;t good enough." "Athis is how proper communication wroks..." ---- Twistedhed ---- ============= -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:41:04 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) wrote in : From: (Frank=A0Gilliland) On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:40:20 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) wrote in : From: (Dave=A0Hall) On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:13:44 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) wrote: did write: Modulation was not part of the original discussion...Frank tosses it out to obfuscate his incorrect points. Modulation IS an integral part of any amplifier discussion. So is electricity, but it doesn't make it relevant to the original topic. Again Frank tossed it out to obfuscate his incorrect points and voodoo methodology. The topic pertaining to your latest whine-byte is whether the OT's Palomar is practical for use with his "bumped" Cobra. Again, so is electricity but you can't seem to focus on the topic which has nothing to do with modulation. Besides, Incorrect as usual,,,in fact, you're on a roll of being wrong lately, from your poor advice on a palomar to your pooor advice on a Wilson mag mount. Once again, the modulation factor has absolutely nothing to do with the original thread where you screwed up and made a bunch of technical errors. You always invoke a bunch of non-related junk (see your incompetent response to Lelnad) when you've been taught you are wrong. I qualified my disapproval with an explanation of how amps are frequently overdriven because of the operator's lack of understanding about the difference between carrier power and peak power, The only thing you "qualified" was your bias by making untrue statements based on nothing more than pure emotion and not facts. You ran from the topic and invoked your own when you found yourself surrounded by your own incompetence and then you began to menstruate all over yourself because you still can't figure out how to quote properly after all this time (with your fourth access to the group) and need blame others for your self-imposed limits. See Mr. Jimmie in the Carolinas for a quick education on flawless quoting, as blaming others for your mild retardations and massive communication deficit and incompetence at all you do has you beside yourself and quite frustrated. Rock on! It's interesting to note the point at which you snipped my post. Sure is,,,in fact, I did it right after you shared your inability to follow the thread by complaining and blaming me because you're too stupid to figure out how to quote properly after all this time with your anonymous newsreader. If you hadn't snipped it where you did ......you wouldn't be able to follow any of it....I understand, Frank, You need spoon fed and taught everything,,,,,which is why I "snipped" your mess where I did. In fact, there would have been no "snip" at all if you didn't start crying about your inability to operate your browser properly. I did it for you, Frank, as you are having problems beyond your normal comprehension, but it's fun to watch you come apart and get mad and blame everyone else when you are unable to make your feelings and communications effectively known to those you address. |
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:22:23 -0400,
(Nicolai Carpathia) once again confused himself and demonstrated his ignorance of the fundamental quoting protocol on Usenet by spewing: From: (Frank*Gilliland) On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:41:04 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) wrote in : From: (Frank*Gilliland) On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:40:20 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) wrote in : From: (Dave*Hall) On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:13:44 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) wrote: did write: Modulation was not part of the original discussion...Frank tosses it out to obfuscate his incorrect points. Modulation IS an integral part of any amplifier discussion. So is electricity, but it doesn't make it relevant to the original topic. Again Frank tossed it out to obfuscate his incorrect points and voodoo methodology. The topic pertaining to your latest whine-byte is whether the OT's Palomar is practical for use with his "bumped" Cobra. Again, so is electricity but you can't seem to focus on the topic which has nothing to do with modulation. Besides, Incorrect as usual,,,in fact, you're on a roll of being wrong lately, from your poor advice on a palomar to your pooor advice on a Wilson mag mount. Once again, the modulation factor has absolutely nothing to do with the original thread where you screwed up and made a bunch of technical errors. You always invoke a bunch of non-related junk (see your incompetent response to Lelnad) when you've been taught you are wrong. I qualified my disapproval with an explanation of how amps are frequently overdriven because of the operator's lack of understanding about the difference between carrier power and peak power, The only thing you "qualified" was your bias by making untrue statements based on nothing more than pure emotion and not facts. You ran from the topic and invoked your own when you found yourself surrounded by your own incompetence and then you began to menstruate all over yourself because you still can't figure out how to quote properly after all this time (with your fourth access to the group) and need blame others for your self-imposed limits. See Mr. Jimmie in the Carolinas for a quick education on flawless quoting, as blaming others for your mild retardations and massive communication deficit and incompetence at all you do has you beside yourself and quite frustrated. Rock on! It's interesting to note the point at which you snipped my post. Sure is,,,in fact, I did it right after you shared your inability to follow the thread by complaining and blaming me because you're too stupid to figure out how to quote properly after all this time with your anonymous newsreader. If you hadn't snipped it where you did .....you wouldn't be able to follow any of it....I understand, Frank, You need spoon fed and taught everything,,,,,which is why I "snipped" your mess where I did. In fact, there would have been no "snip" at all if you didn't start crying about your inability to operate your browser properly. I did it for you, Frank, as you are having problems beyond your normal comprehension, but it's fun to watch you come apart and get mad and blame everyone else when you are unable to make your feelings and communications effectively known to those you address. Well, at least you didn't reply to yourself this time. So have you been able to find gainfull employment so your mommy doesn't have to hold down two jobs? Oh, and if that military group really exists (that is, if it exists somewhere other than in your imagination), try logging in and getting someone to explain to you how enlistments work..... hmmmm, now -there's- a thought...... how about joining the US military, Twist? Heck, you can get a job -and- learn how to live responsibly. Of course in order to get in you'll have to lie about your age...... and your employment history, your criminal history, your problems with mental health, and then come up with an excuse for being on welfare because of your "disability"...... ok, forget I even suggested the idea. After all, you would never survive boot camp with your lack of discipline and attitude against authority, not to mention being physically out of shape because of your sedentary lifestyle (I don't think that trolling Usenet and freebanding are on the AMA's list of recommended activities for healthy living). And since you couldn't even finish junior college, you can't qualify for too many job openings in the civilian sector, can you? So maybe you really -do- need to be supported by your mommy and welfare.... maybe you really -are- disabled!!! ============= http://tinyurl.com/ytcah http://tinyurl.com/2yor7 http://tinyurl.com/2sapq (Twisty cast the first stone) ============= "...but I admitted I was wrong, Like a man! Something you and QRM have a problem with. You guys are wrong and you both know it and are both too small to admit it." "...but as usual, your best simpl isn;t good enough." "Athis is how proper communication wroks..." ---- Twistedhed ---- ============= -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:22:23 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) once again confused himself and demonstrated his ignorance of the fundamental quoting protocol on Usenet by spewing: From: (Frank=A0Gilliland) On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:41:04 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) wrote in : From: (Frank=A0Gilliland) On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:40:20 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) wrote in : From: (Dave=A0Hall) On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:13:44 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) wrote: did write: Modulation was not part of the original discussion...Frank tosses it out to obfuscate his incorrect points. Modulation IS an integral part of any amplifier discussion. So is electricity, but it doesn't make it relevant to the original topic. Again Frank tossed it out to obfuscate his incorrect points and voodoo methodology. The topic pertaining to your latest whine-byte is whether the OT's Palomar is practical for use with his "bumped" Cobra. Again, so is electricity but you can't seem to focus on the topic which has nothing to do with modulation. Besides, Incorrect as usual,,,in fact, you're on a roll of being wrong lately, from your poor advice on a palomar to your pooor advice on a Wilson mag mount. Once again, the modulation factor has absolutely nothing to do with the original thread where you screwed up and made a bunch of technical errors. You always invoke a bunch of non-related junk (see your incompetent response to Lelnad) when you've been taught you are wrong. I qualified my disapproval with an explanation of how amps are frequently overdriven because of the operator's lack of understanding about the difference between carrier power and peak power, The only thing you "qualified" was your bias by making untrue statements based on nothing more than pure emotion and not facts. You ran from the topic and invoked your own when you found yourself surrounded by your own incompetence and then you began to menstruate all over yourself because you still can't figure out how to quote properly after all this time (with your fourth access to the group) and need blame others for your self-imposed limits. See Mr. Jimmie in the Carolinas for a quick education on flawless quoting, as blaming others for your mild retardations and massive communication deficit and incompetence at all you do has you beside yourself and quite frustrated. Rock on! It's interesting to note the point at which you snipped my post. Sure is,,,in fact, I did it right after you shared your inability to follow the thread by complaining and blaming me because you're too stupid to figure out how to quote properly after all this time with your anonymous newsreader. If you hadn't snipped it where you did .....you wouldn't be able to follow any of it....I understand, Frank, You need spoon fed and taught everything,,,,,which is why I "snipped" your mess where I did. In fact, there would have been no "snip" at all if you didn't start crying about your inability to operate your browser properly. I did it for you, Frank, as you are having problems beyond your normal comprehension, but it's fun to watch you come apart and get mad and blame everyone else when you are unable to make your feelings and communications effectively known to those you address. Well, at least you didn't reply to yourself this time. I don't share your communication deficits, mild retardations, and personal ticks. So have you been able to find gainfull employment so your mommy doesn't have to hold down two jobs? Oh, and if that military group really exists (that is, if it exists somewhere other than in your imagination), try logging in and getting someone to explain to you how enlistments work..... hmmmm, now -there's- a thought...... how about joining the US military, Twist? Heck, you can get a job -and- learn how to live responsibly. Of course in order to get in you'll have to lie about your age...... and your employment history, your criminal history, your problems with mental health, and then come up with an excuse for being on welfare because of your "disability"...... ok, forget I even suggested the idea. After all, you would never survive boot camp with your lack of discipline and attitude against authority, not to mention being physically out of shape because of your sedentary lifestyle (I don't think that trolling Usenet and freebanding are on the AMA's list of recommended activities for healthy living). And since you couldn't even finish junior college, you can't qualify for too many job openings in the civilian sector, can you? So maybe you really -do- need to be supported by your mommy and welfare.... maybe you really -are- disabled!!! What an emotional wreck you have become, Frank. You are unable to contain yourself in any exchange with myself. Your emotions are too strong and you have not managed how to exercise self control. The world understands the anger you direct towards those that educate you on matters relating to real world applications of radio, but your insistence on remaining ignorant is your right. Lelnad even tried to school you on what's right and you began insulting him when you finally managed to grasp that he was right and you were wrong. You're an emotional train wreck, Frank. Feeling threatened to the point you resort to insult directed to all who dare ever disagree with your self-limiting ignorance is your problem, not anyone elses. You have extremely low self-esteem. Your radio knowledge has been shown to be fluff. |
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:48:09 -0400,
(Nicolai Carpathia) wrote in : snip What an emotional wreck you have become, Frank. You are unable to contain yourself in any exchange with myself. Your emotions are too strong and you have not managed how to exercise self control. The world understands the anger you direct towards those that educate you on matters relating to real world applications of radio, but your insistence on remaining ignorant is your right. Lelnad even tried to school you on what's right and you began insulting him when you finally managed to grasp that he was right and you were wrong. Since you have ironically chosen to defend Leland, I'll offer you the task of explaining Leland's opinion that the inductive reactance and effective resistance of a capacitor are 'unnecessary complications'. You're an emotional train wreck, Frank. Feeling threatened to the point you resort to insult directed to all who dare ever disagree with your self-limiting ignorance is your problem, not anyone elses. You have extremely low self-esteem. Your radio knowledge has been shown to be fluff. Insulting my intelligence doesn't push my buttons, Twist. The archives are available on Google for anyone to read. If anyone is so bored as to sample posts by both of us over the years they would quickly realize the source of your animosity towards me. Maybe it's time you make another appointment with your imaginary shrink. Hmmmm...., he wouldn't be the same person that runs your imaginary military group, would he? Or is he one (or more) of your imaginary DX contacts, like maybe that "Emperor of a foreign country" or "American head of state in Sri Lanka"? LOL!!! ============= http://tinyurl.com/ytcah http://tinyurl.com/2yor7 http://tinyurl.com/2sapq (Twisty cast the first stone) ============= "...but I admitted I was wrong, Like a man! Something you and QRM have a problem with. You guys are wrong and you both know it and are both too small to admit it." "...but as usual, your best simpl isn;t good enough." "Athis is how proper communication wroks..." ---- Twistedhed ---- ============= -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:48:09 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) wrote in : snip What an emotional wreck you have become, Frank. You are unable to contain yourself in any exchange with myself. Your emotions are too strong and you have not managed how to exercise self control. The world understands the anger you direct towards those that educate you on matters relating to real world applications of radio, but your insistence on remaining ignorant is your right. Lelnad even tried to school you on what's right and you began insulting him when you finally managed to grasp that he was right and you were wrong. Since you have ironically chosen to defend Leland, I'll offer you the task of explaining Leland's opinion that the inductive reactance and effective resistance of a capacitor are 'unnecessary complications'. You can't even comprehend there IS no irony except to those who are emotionally screwed up, not unlike yourself, so there is no possible manner of you explaining that of which you can't comprehend. - You're an emotional train wreck, Frank. Feeling threatened to the point you resort to insult directed to all who dare ever disagree with your self-limiting ignorance is your problem, not anyone elses. You have extremely low self-esteem. Your radio knowledge has been shown to be fluff. Insulting my intelligence doesn't push my buttons, Twist. Insult is your impotence, Frank, no one elses. In fact, you initiate such insultive behavior in all your juvenile posts when you disagree with someone. Most recently you insulted Lelnad for daring to correct your technical incompetence. He insulted you in no way whatsoever, but that didn;t stop your low self-esteem from hurling insults at him, concerning his education and radio knowledge JUST because you had a differing opinion on subject matter than he. You're a loser, Frank. And you know it. The archives are available on Google for anyone to read. If anyone is so bored as to sample posts by both of us over the years they would quickly realize the source of your animosity towards me. No one has ever accused me of such except yourself. In fact, many have noted that you have anger problems and insult all those who disagree with you on any and all matters. Also, many have also noted you no longer have a choice in your obsession concerning myself, as you have no self-control and your mouth always engages prior to your brain. Same pattern, you get your clock cleaned by someone who puts your radio knowledege to shame and you come apart like a quivering mass of jello. Couple this with your sickness concerning the obsession of posting identities, off-topic rants, blaming others for your incompetent quoting skills, ignorance concerning the Wilson brand and Palomars, and as you said, those bored enough to read any of your incompetent scribble and attacks throughout the years realize who holds animosity. A perfect example is you insulting Lelnad instead of explaining yourself. Your emotions get the best of you and you always toss an insult to those that correct your ignorance. You are unable to separate your personal emotions from any discussion you engage and the outcome is always the same,,,a junior high level emotional response from one who never learned how to demonstrate self-control or proper commnicative skill. But you go on and continue to tell the world how I'm responsible for your ongoing incompetence because for the first time ever, you are partially correct concerning your blaming of me for your failures in life, as I do a fantastic job of illustrating your double talk and bull****..its why you can't get past or over yourself. Maybe it's time you make another appointment with your imaginary shrink. Hmmmm...., he wouldn't be the same person that runs your imaginary military group, would he? Or is he one (or more) of your imaginary DX contacts, like maybe that "Emperor of a foreign country" or "American head of state in Sri Lanka"? LOL!!! You can't even figure out who you are talking to the majority of the time. You have accused me of being no less that 13 different people (according to google you continue to invoke). Couple this with your incompetence, lies you were caught in, and insult you toss to all who recognize your retardations in the radio world and it is of little wonder you always have a poor attitude and disposition. Have a good weekend, Frank, and try not to insult all those who have greater radio knowledge than yourself. You can't comprehend it, but when these people correct you in your radio ignorance, its not personal, so there is no need for you to begin insulting these folks educations and their personal lives. Such behavior says more about you than anyone else, but then again, that is something you can never comprehend. |
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:46:01 -0400, (Twistedhed)
wrote in : From: (Frank*Gilliland) On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:48:09 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) wrote in : snip What an emotional wreck you have become, Frank. You are unable to contain yourself in any exchange with myself. Your emotions are too strong and you have not managed how to exercise self control. The world understands the anger you direct towards those that educate you on matters relating to real world applications of radio, but your insistence on remaining ignorant is your right. Lelnad even tried to school you on what's right and you began insulting him when you finally managed to grasp that he was right and you were wrong. Since you have ironically chosen to defend Leland, I'll offer you the task of explaining Leland's opinion that the inductive reactance and effective resistance of a capacitor are 'unnecessary complications'. You can't even comprehend there IS no irony except to those who are emotionally screwed up, not unlike yourself, so there is no possible manner of you explaining that of which you can't comprehend. Try anyway. You're an emotional train wreck, Frank. Feeling threatened to the point you resort to insult directed to all who dare ever disagree with your self-limiting ignorance is your problem, not anyone elses. You have extremely low self-esteem. Your radio knowledge has been shown to be fluff. Insulting my intelligence doesn't push my buttons, Twist. Insult is your impotence, Frank, no one elses. In fact, you initiate such insultive behavior in all your juvenile posts when you disagree with someone. Most recently you insulted Lelnad for daring to correct your technical incompetence. He insulted you in no way whatsoever, but that didn;t stop your low self-esteem from hurling insults at him, concerning his education and radio knowledge JUST because you had a differing opinion on subject matter than he. You're a loser, Frank. And you know it. Loser or not, I'm still the only person that has actually measured the ground impedance of a mag-mount. The archives are available on Google for anyone to read. If anyone is so bored as to sample posts by both of us over the years they would quickly realize the source of your animosity towards me. No one has ever accused me of such except yourself. In fact, many have noted that you have anger problems and insult all those who disagree with you on any and all matters. Also, many have also noted you no longer have a choice in your obsession concerning myself, as you have no self-control and your mouth always engages prior to your brain. Same pattern, you get your clock cleaned by someone who puts your radio knowledege to shame and you come apart like a quivering mass of jello. Couple this with your sickness concerning the obsession of posting identities, off-topic rants, blaming others for your incompetent quoting skills, ignorance concerning the Wilson brand and Palomars, and as you said, those bored enough to read any of your incompetent scribble and attacks throughout the years realize who holds animosity. A perfect example is you insulting Lelnad instead of explaining yourself. Your emotions get the best of you and you always toss an insult to those that correct your ignorance. You are unable to separate your personal emotions from any discussion you engage and the outcome is always the same,,,a junior high level emotional response from one who never learned how to demonstrate self-control or proper commnicative skill. But you go on and continue to tell the world how I'm responsible for your ongoing incompetence because for the first time ever, you are partially correct concerning your blaming of me for your failures in life, as I do a fantastic job of illustrating your double talk and bull****..its why you can't get past or over yourself. Geez, you are more long-winded than Milton. Maybe it's time you make another appointment with your imaginary shrink. Hmmmm...., he wouldn't be the same person that runs your imaginary military group, would he? Or is he one (or more) of your imaginary DX contacts, like maybe that "Emperor of a foreign country" or "American head of state in Sri Lanka"? LOL!!! You can't even figure out who you are talking to the majority of the time. You have accused me of being no less that 13 different people (according to google you continue to invoke). Couple this with your incompetence, lies you were caught in, and insult you toss to all who recognize your retardations in the radio world and it is of little wonder you always have a poor attitude and disposition. Have a good weekend, Frank, and try not to insult all those who have greater radio knowledge than yourself. You can't comprehend it, but when these people correct you in your radio ignorance, its not personal, so there is no need for you to begin insulting these folks educations and their personal lives. Such behavior says more about you than anyone else, but then again, that is something you can never comprehend. Like I said before, the google archives are available for all to read. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:46:01 -0400, (Twistedhed) wrote in : From: (Frank=A0Gilliland) On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:48:09 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) wrote in : snip What an emotional wreck you have become, Frank. You are unable to contain yourself in any exchange with myself. Your emotions are too strong and you have not managed how to exercise self control. The world understands the anger you direct towards those that educate you on matters relating to real world applications of radio, but your insistence on remaining ignorant is your right. Lelnad even tried to school you on what's right and you began insulting him when you finally managed to grasp that he was right and you were wrong. Since you have ironically chosen to defend Leland, See, in your self-limiting mind, emotions rule your roost. There is nothing ironic about pointing out that you have chosen to insult him for attempting to correct you and explain his approach. I'll offer you the task of explaining Leland's opinion that the inductive reactance and effective resistance of a capacitor are 'unnecessary complications'. You can't even comprehend there IS no irony except to those who are emotionally screwed up, not unlike yourself, so there is no possible manner of you explaining that of which you can't comprehend. Try anyway. Certainly. The task you offered has nothing at all to do with you unfairly turning to undeserved insult in all your debate. You have certainly since checked your behavior at the door with your latter exchanges with him after I pointed out your unprovoked insult. Regardless what exchanges I had with Leland, I know what a Master's degree encompasses. He is an engineer. You're a TV repairman and your name could be Walter Mitty. |
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:35:04 -0400, (Twistedhed)
wrote in : From: (Frank*Gilliland) On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:46:01 -0400, (Twistedhed) wrote in : From: (Frank*Gilliland) On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:48:09 -0400, (Nicolai Carpathia) wrote in : snip What an emotional wreck you have become, Frank. You are unable to contain yourself in any exchange with myself. Your emotions are too strong and you have not managed how to exercise self control. The world understands the anger you direct towards those that educate you on matters relating to real world applications of radio, but your insistence on remaining ignorant is your right. Lelnad even tried to school you on what's right and you began insulting him when you finally managed to grasp that he was right and you were wrong. Since you have ironically chosen to defend Leland, See, in your self-limiting mind, emotions rule your roost. There is nothing ironic about pointing out that you have chosen to insult him for attempting to correct you and explain his approach. Only an idiot would post for years with a browser that trims the quoting prefix characters. But hey, if you prefer to profess your ignorance by replying to old quotes (sometimes even your own) then by all means do so. I'll offer you the task of explaining Leland's opinion that the inductive reactance and effective resistance of a capacitor are 'unnecessary complications'. You can't even comprehend there IS no irony except to those who are emotionally screwed up, not unlike yourself, so there is no possible manner of you explaining that of which you can't comprehend. Try anyway. Certainly. The task you offered has nothing at all to do with you unfairly turning to undeserved insult in all your debate. You have certainly since checked your behavior at the door with your latter exchanges with him after I pointed out your unprovoked insult. Regardless what exchanges I had with Leland, I know what a Master's degree encompasses. He is an engineer. You're a TV repairman and your name could be Walter Mitty. Your concern about my discussions with Leland are touching. Now go back to watching the late-night movie. ============= http://tinyurl.com/ytcah http://tinyurl.com/2yor7 http://tinyurl.com/2sapq (Twisty cast the first stone) ============= "...but I admitted I was wrong, Like a man! Something you and QRM have a problem with. You guys are wrong and you both know it and are both too small to admit it." "...but as usual, your best simpl isn;t good enough." "Athis is how proper communication wroks..." ---- Twistedhed ---- ============= -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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