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Bust The Fako Dealers!
I agree it's high time to bust the non type accepted radio dealers. CB
is most fun when using real CB stuff. Any idiot can run high power to clobber a channel. Whats wrong with using 4 watts and a nice antenna? I'm not a ham. I am a CB'er. There's nothing wrong with enjoying this hobby. Lets just do it the right way. Here's a few places that deal in 10 meter radios and amps for 11 meters. I don't know what we the law abiding CB community can do about it. The sooner the FCC does their job the better for all of us. Then maybe the fools that scream "AUDIO" and cuss and foul up the channels will be gone ! 73'3 Tony http://www.copper.com/ http://wholesalecbradio.com/ http://www.gijoesradioelectronics.com/ http://www.geocities.com/macscbshop/CB_Equipment.html http://www.bellscb.com/ http://www.rrcom.com/welcome.html P.S......we should also do business with those honest dealers that DON't sell modified radios and amps. Here's a couple. http://www.universal-radio.com/ http://www.alfenterprises.com/ |
"Gulf Coast Tony" wrote in message
om... I agree it's high time to bust the non type accepted radio dealers. CB is most fun when using real CB stuff. Any idiot can run high power to clobber a channel. Whats wrong with using 4 watts and a nice antenna? I'm not a ham. I am a CB'er. There's nothing wrong with enjoying this hobby. Lets just do it the right way. Here's a few places that deal in 10 meter radios and amps for 11 meters. I don't know what we the law abiding CB community can do about it. The sooner the FCC does their job the better for all of us. Then maybe the fools that scream "AUDIO" and cuss and foul up the channels will be gone ! 73'3 Tony http://www.copper.com/ http://wholesalecbradio.com/ http://www.gijoesradioelectronics.com/ http://www.geocities.com/macscbshop/CB_Equipment.html http://www.bellscb.com/ http://www.rrcom.com/welcome.html P.S......we should also do business with those honest dealers that DON't sell modified radios and amps. Here's a couple. http://www.universal-radio.com/ http://www.alfenterprises.com/ That won't stop the people from cussing and keying down to jamb channels, fools are fools regardless of the equipment, that's the same as saying there would be no murders if we outlaw guns. Sometimes 4 watts is not enough. When I go mudding in my truck, sometimes I'm in places with no cell service and kicking on the amp saves me from walking 10 miles if I break down or get stuck. I also like to shoot skip on sideband and the best place for that is the freebands. You can run illegally and still be responsible about it. I do everything I can to make sure I am not coming over phone lines and bleeding on several channels. I don't use junk export radios, I use low pass filters and I check my equipment with a scope. I don't run power unless I really need to. BTW, Copper no longer sells amps. |
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:41:08 -0600, "DR. Death"
wrote in : "Gulf Coast Tony" wrote in message . com... I agree it's high time to bust the non type accepted radio dealers. CB is most fun when using real CB stuff. Any idiot can run high power to clobber a channel. Whats wrong with using 4 watts and a nice antenna? I'm not a ham. I am a CB'er. There's nothing wrong with enjoying this hobby. Lets just do it the right way. Here's a few places that deal in 10 meter radios and amps for 11 meters. I don't know what we the law abiding CB community can do about it. The sooner the FCC does their job the better for all of us. Then maybe the fools that scream "AUDIO" and cuss and foul up the channels will be gone ! 73'3 Tony http://www.copper.com/ http://wholesalecbradio.com/ http://www.gijoesradioelectronics.com/ http://www.geocities.com/macscbshop/CB_Equipment.html http://www.bellscb.com/ http://www.rrcom.com/welcome.html P.S......we should also do business with those honest dealers that DON't sell modified radios and amps. Here's a couple. http://www.universal-radio.com/ http://www.alfenterprises.com/ That won't stop the people from cussing and keying down to jamb channels, fools are fools regardless of the equipment, that's the same as saying there would be no murders if we outlaw guns. Yes, assholes will be assholes regardless of the equipment that's available. The problems started just after the Citizen's Band was created, and they aren't going away anytime soon. But that's no excuse to add to the problems with more amps. Sometimes 4 watts is not enough. When I go mudding in my truck, sometimes I'm in places with no cell service and kicking on the amp saves me from walking 10 miles if I break down or get stuck. Get a 3-watt cellphone. I have a Uniden SMS-316TSD in my truck and it works great. Coverage is almost 100% (that is unless you are going deep into the Bitterroots, in which case it pays to get a satellite phone). And 4 watts on Ch. 9 will reach 10 miles without a problem if you have a decent antenna because there is very little noise on the channel. So I don't see your reasons as justification for an amp. I also like to shoot skip on sideband and the best place for that is the freebands. The best place for that is the ham bands. You can run illegally and still be responsible about it. That's an old and tired excuse. You can't violate the law and be responsible at the same time -- it's an oxymoron. Think about it: "You can spit on the sidewalk and still be responsible about it." "You can speed in the freeway and still be responsible about it." "You can burglarize a house and still be responsible about it." "You can murder someone with a gun and still be responsible about it." (and before you condemn me for that last analogy, remember that it's the same analogy -you- used earlier in -your- post). It just doesn't wash. I do everything I can to make sure I am not coming over phone lines and bleeding on several channels. I don't use junk export radios, I use low pass filters and I check my equipment with a scope. I don't run power unless I really need to. BTW, Copper no longer sells amps. It's not just about RFI. It's also about the hogging of a channel by a single dork with an amp. If you increase your power enough to double your range, you are cutting off the channel over an area that could accomodate at least six other people. Double your range again and you cut off 36 -more- potential users. The numbers rise exponentially, and so does the frustration of legal "mud-ducks" trying to talk to someone just down the road. Using an amp is not just illegal; it's rude, inconsiderate, and it's not how the CB band was intended to be used. If you can't resist the temptation to play hammie then get a license and work the ham bands. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
... On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:41:08 -0600, "DR. Death" wrote in : "Gulf Coast Tony" wrote in message . com... I agree it's high time to bust the non type accepted radio dealers. CB is most fun when using real CB stuff. Any idiot can run high power to clobber a channel. Whats wrong with using 4 watts and a nice antenna? I'm not a ham. I am a CB'er. There's nothing wrong with enjoying this hobby. Lets just do it the right way. Here's a few places that deal in 10 meter radios and amps for 11 meters. I don't know what we the law abiding CB community can do about it. The sooner the FCC does their job the better for all of us. Then maybe the fools that scream "AUDIO" and cuss and foul up the channels will be gone ! 73'3 Tony http://www.copper.com/ http://wholesalecbradio.com/ http://www.gijoesradioelectronics.com/ http://www.geocities.com/macscbshop/CB_Equipment.html http://www.bellscb.com/ http://www.rrcom.com/welcome.html P.S......we should also do business with those honest dealers that DON't sell modified radios and amps. Here's a couple. http://www.universal-radio.com/ http://www.alfenterprises.com/ That won't stop the people from cussing and keying down to jamb channels, fools are fools regardless of the equipment, that's the same as saying there would be no murders if we outlaw guns. Yes, assholes will be assholes regardless of the equipment that's available. The problems started just after the Citizen's Band was created, and they aren't going away anytime soon. But that's no excuse to add to the problems with more amps. I never stated we should add more amps. Sometimes 4 watts is not enough. When I go mudding in my truck, sometimes I'm in places with no cell service and kicking on the amp saves me from walking 10 miles if I break down or get stuck. Get a 3-watt cellphone. I have a Uniden SMS-316TSD in my truck and it works great. Coverage is almost 100% (that is unless you are going deep into the Bitterroots, in which case it pays to get a satellite phone). There are many places in my neck of the woods where a 3 watt cell phone still won't work. And 4 watts on Ch. 9 will reach 10 miles without a problem if you have a decent antenna because there is very little noise on the channel. So I don't see your reasons as justification for an amp. Channel 10 is our local channel in this area. A lot of the locals with clipped limiters and amps can bleed enough that from 10 miles 4 watts won't always get me help, particularly when I'm in a river bottom surrounded by bluffs. I also like to shoot skip on sideband and the best place for that is the freebands. The best place for that is the ham bands. If your a ham which I am not. If the FCC would have allocated part of the C.B. band to SSB only, maybe the freband would be less attractive. You can run illegally and still be responsible about it. That's an old and tired excuse. You can't violate the law and be responsible at the same time -- it's an oxymoron. Think about it: "You can spit on the sidewalk and still be responsible about it." "You can speed in the freeway and still be responsible about it." When my 3 year old grandson drank a bottle of furniture polish, I felt fully justified exceeding the speed limit to get him to the hospital. I didn't cut anyone off or force them off the road to do so. I consider that a responsible breaking of the law. "You can burglarize a house and still be responsible about it." "You can murder someone with a gun and still be responsible about it." (and before you condemn me for that last analogy, remember that it's the same analogy -you- used earlier in -your- post). NO, I stated that eliminating guns would not stop murder. People were killing each other long before firearms were invented. I simply used that anology to point out that eliminating amps would not stop foolish behavior on the C.B. It just doesn't wash. I do everything I can to make sure I am not coming over phone lines and bleeding on several channels. I don't use junk export radios, I use low pass filters and I check my equipment with a scope. I don't run power unless I really need to. BTW, Copper no longer sells amps. It's not just about RFI. It's also about the hogging of a channel by a single dork with an amp. If you increase your power enough to double your range, you are cutting off the channel over an area that could accomodate at least six other people. Double your range again and you cut off 36 -more- potential users. The numbers rise exponentially, and so does the frustration of legal "mud-ducks" trying to talk to someone just down the road. If I am stranded I'm sure that the C.B. community would understand that I had to break into the regular chit chit long enough to get assistance. I rarely use an amp for AM regular 40. I do sometimes use it on freebands to shoot some skip on SSB. If they were legal mud-ducks, what are they doing on the freebands? Using an amp is not just illegal; it's rude, inconsiderate, and it's not how the CB band was intended to be used. If you can't resist the temptation to play hammie then get a license and work the ham bands. I don't consider it rude to use an amp to get help. If more hams were to educate C.B.ers on the benifits of becoming a ham instead of treating us like we are the spawn of Satan, maybe I would get my ham ticket. Most of the hams that I have met have been quite rude and I don't wish to waste my time and money on a hobby I don't think I would enjoy. You do not sound as if you enjoy C.B., maybe you should get your ham ticket so that you can associate with your own kind. |
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:58:04 -0600, "DR. Death"
wrote in : "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:41:08 -0600, "DR. Death" wrote in : "Gulf Coast Tony" wrote in message . com... I agree it's high time to bust the non type accepted radio dealers. CB is most fun when using real CB stuff. Any idiot can run high power to clobber a channel. Whats wrong with using 4 watts and a nice antenna? I'm not a ham. I am a CB'er. There's nothing wrong with enjoying this hobby. Lets just do it the right way. Here's a few places that deal in 10 meter radios and amps for 11 meters. I don't know what we the law abiding CB community can do about it. The sooner the FCC does their job the better for all of us. Then maybe the fools that scream "AUDIO" and cuss and foul up the channels will be gone ! 73'3 Tony http://www.copper.com/ http://wholesalecbradio.com/ http://www.gijoesradioelectronics.com/ http://www.geocities.com/macscbshop/CB_Equipment.html http://www.bellscb.com/ http://www.rrcom.com/welcome.html P.S......we should also do business with those honest dealers that DON't sell modified radios and amps. Here's a couple. http://www.universal-radio.com/ http://www.alfenterprises.com/ That won't stop the people from cussing and keying down to jamb channels, fools are fools regardless of the equipment, that's the same as saying there would be no murders if we outlaw guns. Yes, assholes will be assholes regardless of the equipment that's available. The problems started just after the Citizen's Band was created, and they aren't going away anytime soon. But that's no excuse to add to the problems with more amps. I never stated we should add more amps. You were defending the sale of illegal radio equipment which, if I'm not mistaken, includes amps. The fact is that if there were fewer amps there would be fewer idiots using them. Same with guns. But guns are legal while CB amps are not. Neither are modified and 'export' radios. But legal or not, the same rule applies -- the fewer that are in circulation the fewer that will be in use. Sometimes 4 watts is not enough. When I go mudding in my truck, sometimes I'm in places with no cell service and kicking on the amp saves me from walking 10 miles if I break down or get stuck. Get a 3-watt cellphone. I have a Uniden SMS-316TSD in my truck and it works great. Coverage is almost 100% (that is unless you are going deep into the Bitterroots, in which case it pays to get a satellite phone). There are many places in my neck of the woods where a 3 watt cell phone still won't work. I don't know if where you live is anything like the Rockies or the Cascades, but you don't have to walk far to find a spot that will work even with a handheld cellphone. In the deep woods, CB seems to be more reliable than cellphones anyway -- you can usually raise a logging camp or ranger post no matter where you are. But if you plan to go into such remote places where normal services don't work, it's your responsibility to anticipate an emergency and provide for legal communications. And 4 watts on Ch. 9 will reach 10 miles without a problem if you have a decent antenna because there is very little noise on the channel. So I don't see your reasons as justification for an amp. Channel 10 is our local channel in this area. A lot of the locals with clipped limiters and amps can bleed enough that from 10 miles 4 watts won't always get me help, particularly when I'm in a river bottom surrounded by bluffs. If you are getting that much interference in a radio dead-zone then it isn't much of a radio dead-zone, is it? And if the other end of your comm can't seperate your fundamental from all the QRM then just how 'remote' is this place? Doesn't seem that remote to me. It sounds like you are just making excuses. I also like to shoot skip on sideband and the best place for that is the freebands. The best place for that is the ham bands. If your a ham which I am not. If the FCC would have allocated part of the C.B. band to SSB only, maybe the freband would be less attractive. It's not hard to get a license. It's been done by hundreds of thousands -- maybe millions -- of people around the world. And the upper portion of the legal 40 is mostly used for SSB. The FCC didn't declare this rule, but neither did they declare Ch. 9 as the emergency channel. In fact, Ch. 9 used the be the 'calling' channel while other channels were used for emergencies in different zones. It wasn't until about 1970 that Ch. 9 was universally adopted by the CB community as the emergency channel. Anyway, it doesn't take a declaration from the FCC to work SSB anywhere on the legal 40. What the FCC -has- declared is that operation outside the legal 40 -- i.e, the so-called 'freeband' -- is illegal. The 'freeband' is attractive because many people want a license-free ham band. They want the benefits without the responsibility or the effort. It's that simple. You can run illegally and still be responsible about it. That's an old and tired excuse. You can't violate the law and be responsible at the same time -- it's an oxymoron. Think about it: "You can spit on the sidewalk and still be responsible about it." "You can speed in the freeway and still be responsible about it." When my 3 year old grandson drank a bottle of furniture polish, I felt fully justified exceeding the speed limit to get him to the hospital. I didn't cut anyone off or force them off the road to do so. I consider that a responsible breaking of the law. Ambulances (and other emergency vehicles) have lights, sirens and reflective paints to provide a measure of safety while they drive faster than the speed limit, and sometimes even those measures don't work. So what makes you think you were being responsible by speeding to the hospital without such measures? You endangered the life of your son, yourself, and other people on the road. You took a chance with other people's lives and you got lucky. That's not being responsible. If you had called for emergency assistance they probably would have sent out paramedics that could have treated your son at the scene, and arrived faster than you made it to the hospital. Of course I expect your next excuse is that you live in a remote location that takes too long for emergency vehicles to respond, or that there's no place for a helicopter to land near your home, or some crap like that. But those are just excuses. The fact is that 911 can provide specific info over the phone on whatever poison you have laying around your house, and provide instructions that can render immediate aid. And because many poisons work fast, that information not only saves lives but prevents excessive injury when the poison is non-fatal. Now THAT would have been the responsible thing to do instead of speeding to the hospital. Unfortunately, most people don't think about those things until it's too late. "You can burglarize a house and still be responsible about it." "You can murder someone with a gun and still be responsible about it." (and before you condemn me for that last analogy, remember that it's the same analogy -you- used earlier in -your- post). NO, I stated that eliminating guns would not stop murder. People were killing each other long before firearms were invented. I simply used that anology to point out that eliminating amps would not stop foolish behavior on the C.B. Don't backpedal -- you equated illegal radio equipment with guns so I did the same. You claimed that you violate laws responsibly, an excuse that anyone can see is hogwash when using -your own- analogy. Don't you understand that 'law' is a method of enforcing responsibility? Basically, law -is- responsibility in a written form. The only way to 'responsibly violate' a law is if there is a more important (and legally justifiable) responsibility. Rushing your son to the hospital would have been such an example if there were no better alternatives. Regardless, 'freebanding' hardly compares with a medical emergency. It just doesn't wash. And it still doesn't wash. I do everything I can to make sure I am not coming over phone lines and bleeding on several channels. I don't use junk export radios, I use low pass filters and I check my equipment with a scope. I don't run power unless I really need to. BTW, Copper no longer sells amps. It's not just about RFI. It's also about the hogging of a channel by a single dork with an amp. If you increase your power enough to double your range, you are cutting off the channel over an area that could accomodate at least six other people. Double your range again and you cut off 36 -more- potential users. The numbers rise exponentially, and so does the frustration of legal "mud-ducks" trying to talk to someone just down the road. If I am stranded I'm sure that the C.B. community would understand that I had to break into the regular chit chit long enough to get assistance. I rarely use an amp for AM regular 40. I do sometimes use it on freebands to shoot some skip on SSB. If they were legal mud-ducks, what are they doing on the freebands? I was talking about amps, but we can talk about the 'freeband', too. For example, the word 'freeband' is a misnomer. It is not 'free'. That part of the spectrum has been allocated. Part of it is a buffer zone above Ch. 40, and the rest is allocated for private and government services. Freebanders use those freqs because they claim not to hear any activity, which is a logical fallacy -- if freebanders are using those freqs then it's impossible -not- to hear activity. The next excuse is that none of the activity heard is from -licensed- users, which is another fallacy because those freqs are licensed to be used (or not used) as the licensed "mud-ducks" see fit. IOW, just because you don't hear any licensed activity doesn't mean the freqs have been abandoned. If that were the case, 121.5MHz would be a very popular 'freeband' freq. Using an amp is not just illegal; it's rude, inconsiderate, and it's not how the CB band was intended to be used. If you can't resist the temptation to play hammie then get a license and work the ham bands. I don't consider it rude to use an amp to get help. And that's another favorite excuse. The FCC determined that use of illegal equipment for emergencies is only justified if there is no other means available AND the emergency could not have been anticipated and prepared for by other means. IOW, if you know you are going into the deep woods where a cell phone won't work and a legal CB won't work, it is your responsibility (yes, I said 'responsibility') to anticipate the possibility of an emergency and have a plan for legal communications. This was decided in response to a petition by someone trying to void the 155 mile rule by using the same excuse. The FCC didn't buy it, and I don't either. Cell phones cover most of the US. Satellite phones work darn near anywhere except in caves. Ham radio is available from 160m through microwaves, and they even have their own satellite repeaters. There is no valid reason to plan on using illegal radio operation for emergencies when better and legal alternatives exist. If more hams were to educate C.B.ers on the benifits of becoming a ham instead of treating us like we are the spawn of Satan, maybe I would get my ham ticket. Most of the hams that I have met have been quite rude and I don't wish to waste my time and money on a hobby I don't think I would enjoy. Not all hams are rude. On the contrary, most hams that I have met are quite agreeable. They are people, just like everyone else. And I don't know why you wouldn't like ham radio when that is basically what you are doing already on the 'freeband'. The only difference is that you would be doing it legally. Does that take the fun out of it for you? You do not sound as if you enjoy C.B., maybe you should get your ham ticket so that you can associate with your own kind. I do enjoy CB. And it's because I enjoy it that I hate to see it get messed up by idiots with amps, as well as get a worse reputation because of 'freebanders' calling themselves CBers -- CB is legal; freebanding is radio piracy and is a violation of federal law. I'm not a ham, and I don't want a ham license because there is nothing in that service that interests me. If ARRL-of-Borg ever convince the FCC to assimilate the 1750m band, maybe then I'll think about getting a ham license. Until then I'm just a responsible and legal CBer. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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And the upper portion of the legal 40 is mostly used for SSB. Have you listened to how much AM traffic is on there lately, Frank? There was a time when that was true, but that was long ago. -- http://NewsReader.Com 30GB/Month |
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... And 4 watts on Ch. 9 will reach 10 miles without a problem if you have a decent antenna because there is very little noise on the channel. So I don't see your reasons as justification for an amp. No noise on channel 9!?!?!? Have you listened to ch9 lately? Seems that ch 9 lately has been the telemundo of CB!!!!! Is this Mexico's calling channel? Chad |
Frank Gilliland wrote:
The 'freeband' is attractive because many people want a license-free ham band. Nah,,that's not it. Many folks are not even of the US, let alone aware what we consider a "ham band". They want the benefits without the responsibility or the effort. Compared to WHAT? The only benefit gained by freebanding is more dx than regular cb, and at other times, less crowded than cb 1-40. Cb has always had less responsibility than hammie radio and stereotyping those who gravitate toward it as folks wanting less responsibility is way overthinking why folks play with cb. Folks play with cb for a mess of reasons, but not wanting "responsibility" has more than likely, not ever been a decision of one when purchasing a radio. And no effort at all is required to change the dial. |
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:05:21 -0600, "Chad Wahls"
wrote in : "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message .. . And 4 watts on Ch. 9 will reach 10 miles without a problem if you have a decent antenna because there is very little noise on the channel. So I don't see your reasons as justification for an amp. No noise on channel 9!?!?!? Have you listened to ch9 lately? Seems that ch 9 lately has been the telemundo of CB!!!!! Is this Mexico's calling channel? Chad I monitor Ch. 9. It's pretty quiet around my parts. Since it's noisy where you are, how does the noise compare with the rest of the band? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
... On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:58:04 -0600, "DR. Death" wrote in : "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:41:08 -0600, "DR. Death" wrote in : "Gulf Coast Tony" wrote in message . com... I agree it's high time to bust the non type accepted radio dealers. CB is most fun when using real CB stuff. Any idiot can run high power to clobber a channel. Whats wrong with using 4 watts and a nice antenna? I'm not a ham. I am a CB'er. There's nothing wrong with enjoying this hobby. Lets just do it the right way. Here's a few places that deal in 10 meter radios and amps for 11 meters. I don't know what we the law abiding CB community can do about it. The sooner the FCC does their job the better for all of us. Then maybe the fools that scream "AUDIO" and cuss and foul up the channels will be gone ! 73'3 Tony http://www.copper.com/ http://wholesalecbradio.com/ http://www.gijoesradioelectronics.com/ http://www.geocities.com/macscbshop/CB_Equipment.html http://www.bellscb.com/ http://www.rrcom.com/welcome.html P.S......we should also do business with those honest dealers that DON't sell modified radios and amps. Here's a couple. http://www.universal-radio.com/ http://www.alfenterprises.com/ That won't stop the people from cussing and keying down to jamb channels, fools are fools regardless of the equipment, that's the same as saying there would be no murders if we outlaw guns. Yes, assholes will be assholes regardless of the equipment that's available. The problems started just after the Citizen's Band was created, and they aren't going away anytime soon. But that's no excuse to add to the problems with more amps. I never stated we should add more amps. You were defending the sale of illegal radio equipment which, if I'm not mistaken, includes amps. The fact is that if there were fewer amps there would be fewer idiots using them. Same with guns. But guns are legal while CB amps are not. Neither are modified and 'export' radios. But legal or not, the same rule applies -- the fewer that are in circulation the fewer that will be in use. Where did I state in this post that I defended the sale of exports or amps? I stated that eliminating amps would not eliminate fools on C.B. Sometimes 4 watts is not enough. When I go mudding in my truck, sometimes I'm in places with no cell service and kicking on the amp saves me from walking 10 miles if I break down or get stuck. Get a 3-watt cellphone. I have a Uniden SMS-316TSD in my truck and it works great. Coverage is almost 100% (that is unless you are going deep into the Bitterroots, in which case it pays to get a satellite phone). There are many places in my neck of the woods where a 3 watt cell phone still won't work. I don't know if where you live is anything like the Rockies or the Cascades, but you don't have to walk far to find a spot that will work even with a handheld cellphone. In the deep woods, CB seems to be more reliable than cellphones anyway -- you can usually raise a logging camp or ranger post no matter where you are. But if you plan to go into such remote places where normal services don't work, it's your responsibility to anticipate an emergency and provide for legal communications. In a perfect world, yes. But I guess you carry every part that fits your vehicle when you leave the house. And 4 watts on Ch. 9 will reach 10 miles without a problem if you have a decent antenna because there is very little noise on the channel. So I don't see your reasons as justification for an amp. Channel 10 is our local channel in this area. A lot of the locals with clipped limiters and amps can bleed enough that from 10 miles 4 watts won't always get me help, particularly when I'm in a river bottom surrounded by bluffs. If you are getting that much interference in a radio dead-zone then it isn't much of a radio dead-zone, is it? And if the other end of your comm can't seperate your fundamental from all the QRM then just how 'remote' is this place? Doesn't seem that remote to me. It sounds like you are just making excuses. Your more than welcome to go fishing, hunting, 4 wheeling with me and bring your cell. It might be usefull for telling time but useless to talk on in some places that I frequent. You obviously live in an area with great cell coverage. I do not. You are looking for excuses to argue. I also like to shoot skip on sideband and the best place for that is the freebands. The best place for that is the ham bands. If your a ham which I am not. If the FCC would have allocated part of the C.B. band to SSB only, maybe the freband would be less attractive. It's not hard to get a license. It's been done by hundreds of thousands -- maybe millions -- of people around the world. I never stated that it was hard. I have looked at the sample test questions and have no doubt I can pass. And the upper portion of the legal 40 is mostly used for SSB. The FCC didn't declare this rule, but neither did they declare Ch. 9 as the emergency channel. In fact, Ch. 9 used the be the 'calling' channel while other channels were used for emergencies in different zones. It wasn't until about 1970 that Ch. 9 was universally adopted by the CB community as the emergency channel. Anyway, it doesn't take a declaration from the FCC to work SSB anywhere on the legal 40. What the FCC -has- declared is that operation outside the legal 40 -- i.e, the so-called 'freeband' -- is illegal. I have used the upper 40 on SSB. But found that many people talk AM on those freqs. which makes it hard to use SSB for DXing. You can wave the illegal flag all you want, I will still use the freeband. The 'freeband' is attractive because many people want a license-free ham band. They want the benefits without the responsibility or the effort. It's that simple. You can run illegally and still be responsible about it. That's an old and tired excuse. You can't violate the law and be responsible at the same time -- it's an oxymoron. Think about it: "You can spit on the sidewalk and still be responsible about it." "You can speed in the freeway and still be responsible about it." When my 3 year old grandson drank a bottle of furniture polish, I felt fully justified exceeding the speed limit to get him to the hospital. I didn't cut anyone off or force them off the road to do so. I consider that a responsible breaking of the law. Ambulances (and other emergency vehicles) have lights, sirens and reflective paints to provide a measure of safety while they drive faster than the speed limit, and sometimes even those measures don't work. So what makes you think you were being responsible by speeding to the hospital without such measures? You endangered the life of your son, yourself, and other people on the road. You took a chance with other people's lives and you got lucky. That's not being responsible. You can wait on the ambulance if you choose. I live in a rural area and by the time the ambulance arives I can already be in the ER. I just hope you are never in this situation. Or maybe you just don't care enough about your family to expidite them to the hospital. If you had called for emergency assistance they probably would have sent out paramedics that could have treated your son at the scene, and arrived faster than you made it to the hospital. Of course I expect your next excuse is that you live in a remote location that takes too long for emergency vehicles to respond, or that there's no place for a helicopter to land near your home, or some crap like that. But those are just excuses. The fact is that 911 can provide specific info over the phone on whatever poison you have laying around your house, and provide instructions that can render immediate aid. And because many poisons work fast, that information not only saves lives but prevents excessive injury when the poison is non-fatal. Now THAT would have been the responsible thing to do instead of speeding to the hospital. Yes a chopper could land in the field behind my house. The chopper happens to be 40 miles from here. Again I can already be in the ER. Unfortunately, most people don't think about those things until it's too late. And some people wait for EMS and they are too late. "You can burglarize a house and still be responsible about it." "You can murder someone with a gun and still be responsible about it." (and before you condemn me for that last analogy, remember that it's the same analogy -you- used earlier in -your- post). NO, I stated that eliminating guns would not stop murder. People were killing each other long before firearms were invented. I simply used that anology to point out that eliminating amps would not stop foolish behavior on the C.B. Don't backpedal -- you equated illegal radio equipment with guns so I did the same. You claimed that you violate laws responsibly, an excuse that anyone can see is hogwash when using -your own- analogy. Don't you understand that 'law' is a method of enforcing responsibility? Basically, law -is- responsibility in a written form. The only way to 'responsibly violate' a law is if there is a more important (and legally justifiable) responsibility. Rushing your son to the hospital would have been such an example if there were no better alternatives. Regardless, 'freebanding' hardly compares with a medical emergency. Never stated that freebanding equals a med emergency. You missed my point entirely. I could try to explain it again, but you only see things in black and white. It just doesn't wash. And it still doesn't wash. I do everything I can to make sure I am not coming over phone lines and bleeding on several channels. I don't use junk export radios, I use low pass filters and I check my equipment with a scope. I don't run power unless I really need to. BTW, Copper no longer sells amps. It's not just about RFI. It's also about the hogging of a channel by a single dork with an amp. If you increase your power enough to double your range, you are cutting off the channel over an area that could accomodate at least six other people. Double your range again and you cut off 36 -more- potential users. The numbers rise exponentially, and so does the frustration of legal "mud-ducks" trying to talk to someone just down the road. If I am stranded I'm sure that the C.B. community would understand that I had to break into the regular chit chit long enough to get assistance. I rarely use an amp for AM regular 40. I do sometimes use it on freebands to shoot some skip on SSB. If they were legal mud-ducks, what are they doing on the freebands? I was talking about amps, but we can talk about the 'freeband', too. For example, the word 'freeband' is a misnomer. It is not 'free'. That part of the spectrum has been allocated. Part of it is a buffer zone above Ch. 40, and the rest is allocated for private and government services. Freebanders use those freqs because they claim not to hear any activity, which is a logical fallacy -- if freebanders are using those freqs then it's impossible -not- to hear activity. The next excuse is that none of the activity heard is from -licensed- users, which is another fallacy because those freqs are licensed to be used (or not used) as the licensed "mud-ducks" see fit. IOW, just because you don't hear any licensed activity doesn't mean the freqs have been abandoned. If that were the case, 121.5MHz would be a very popular 'freeband' freq. Never stated that they were abandoned. I know who has legal access to the freebands. And it is not licensed mud-ducks. Using an amp is not just illegal; it's rude, inconsiderate, and it's not how the CB band was intended to be used. If you can't resist the temptation to play hammie then get a license and work the ham bands. I don't consider it rude to use an amp to get help. And that's another favorite excuse. The FCC determined that use of illegal equipment for emergencies is only justified if there is no other means available AND the emergency could not have been anticipated and prepared for by other means. IOW, if you know you are going into the deep woods where a cell phone won't work and a legal CB won't work, it is your responsibility (yes, I said 'responsibility') to anticipate the possibility of an emergency and have a plan for legal communications. This was decided in response to a petition by someone trying to void the 155 mile rule by using the same excuse. The FCC didn't buy it, and I don't either. Cell phones cover most of the US. Satellite phones work darn near anywhere except in caves. Ham radio is available from 160m through microwaves, and they even have their own satellite repeaters. There is no valid reason to plan on using illegal radio operation for emergencies when better and legal alternatives exist. How much do you pay a month for your satt phone Frank? Must be nice to have that much money to burn. If more hams were to educate C.B.ers on the benifits of becoming a ham instead of treating us like we are the spawn of Satan, maybe I would get my ham ticket. Most of the hams that I have met have been quite rude and I don't wish to waste my time and money on a hobby I don't think I would enjoy. Not all hams are rude. On the contrary, most hams that I have met are quite agreeable. They are people, just like everyone else. And I don't know why you wouldn't like ham radio when that is basically what you are doing already on the 'freeband'. The only difference is that you would be doing it legally. Does that take the fun out of it for you? No it doesn't. It may very well be fun. In fact there are a lot of good things I would like about ham radio, mostly the tech side. I didn't state all hams are bad, just the ones I have talked to, they tend to treat C.B.ers as second class citizens and I won't be a part of that. You do not sound as if you enjoy C.B., maybe you should get your ham ticket so that you can associate with your own kind. I do enjoy CB. And it's because I enjoy it that I hate to see it get messed up by idiots with amps, as well as get a worse reputation because of 'freebanders' calling themselves CBers -- CB is legal; freebanding is radio piracy and is a violation of federal law. I'm not a ham, and I don't want a ham license because there is nothing in that service that interests me. If ARRL-of-Borg ever convince the FCC to assimilate the 1750m band, maybe then I'll think about getting a ham license. Until then I'm just a responsible and legal CBer. Good for you. I'll stick to freebanding. |
"DR. Death" wrote in message ... "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:58:04 -0600, "DR. Death" wrote in : "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:41:08 -0600, "DR. Death" wrote in : "Gulf Coast Tony" wrote in message . com... I agree it's high time to bust the non type accepted radio dealers. CB is most fun when using real CB stuff. Any idiot can run high power to clobber a channel. Whats wrong with using 4 watts and a nice antenna? I'm not a ham. I am a CB'er. There's nothing wrong with enjoying this hobby. Lets just do it the right way. Here's a few places that deal in 10 meter radios and amps for 11 meters. I don't know what we the law abiding CB community can do about it. The sooner the FCC does their job the better for all of us. Then maybe the fools that scream "AUDIO" and cuss and foul up the channels will be gone ! 73'3 Tony http://www.copper.com/ http://wholesalecbradio.com/ http://www.gijoesradioelectronics.com/ http://www.geocities.com/macscbshop/CB_Equipment.html http://www.bellscb.com/ http://www.rrcom.com/welcome.html P.S......we should also do business with those honest dealers that DON't sell modified radios and amps. Here's a couple. http://www.universal-radio.com/ http://www.alfenterprises.com/ That won't stop the people from cussing and keying down to jamb channels, fools are fools regardless of the equipment, that's the same as saying there would be no murders if we outlaw guns. Yes, assholes will be assholes regardless of the equipment that's available. The problems started just after the Citizen's Band was created, and they aren't going away anytime soon. But that's no excuse to add to the problems with more amps. I never stated we should add more amps. You were defending the sale of illegal radio equipment which, if I'm not mistaken, includes amps. The fact is that if there were fewer amps there would be fewer idiots using them. Same with guns. But guns are legal while CB amps are not. Neither are modified and 'export' radios. But legal or not, the same rule applies -- the fewer that are in circulation the fewer that will be in use. Where did I state in this post that I defended the sale of exports or amps? I stated that eliminating amps would not eliminate fools on C.B. Sometimes 4 watts is not enough. When I go mudding in my truck, sometimes I'm in places with no cell service and kicking on the amp saves me from walking 10 miles if I break down or get stuck. Get a 3-watt cellphone. I have a Uniden SMS-316TSD in my truck and it works great. Coverage is almost 100% (that is unless you are going deep into the Bitterroots, in which case it pays to get a satellite phone). There are many places in my neck of the woods where a 3 watt cell phone still won't work. I don't know if where you live is anything like the Rockies or the Cascades, but you don't have to walk far to find a spot that will work even with a handheld cellphone. In the deep woods, CB seems to be more reliable than cellphones anyway -- you can usually raise a logging camp or ranger post no matter where you are. But if you plan to go into such remote places where normal services don't work, it's your responsibility to anticipate an emergency and provide for legal communications. In a perfect world, yes. But I guess you carry every part that fits your vehicle when you leave the house. And 4 watts on Ch. 9 will reach 10 miles without a problem if you have a decent antenna because there is very little noise on the channel. So I don't see your reasons as justification for an amp. Channel 10 is our local channel in this area. A lot of the locals with clipped limiters and amps can bleed enough that from 10 miles 4 watts won't always get me help, particularly when I'm in a river bottom surrounded by bluffs. If you are getting that much interference in a radio dead-zone then it isn't much of a radio dead-zone, is it? And if the other end of your comm can't seperate your fundamental from all the QRM then just how 'remote' is this place? Doesn't seem that remote to me. It sounds like you are just making excuses. Your more than welcome to go fishing, hunting, 4 wheeling with me and bring your cell. It might be usefull for telling time but useless to talk on in some places that I frequent. You obviously live in an area with great cell coverage. I do not. You are looking for excuses to argue. I also like to shoot skip on sideband and the best place for that is the freebands. The best place for that is the ham bands. If your a ham which I am not. If the FCC would have allocated part of the C.B. band to SSB only, maybe the freband would be less attractive. It's not hard to get a license. It's been done by hundreds of thousands -- maybe millions -- of people around the world. I never stated that it was hard. I have looked at the sample test questions and have no doubt I can pass. And the upper portion of the legal 40 is mostly used for SSB. The FCC didn't declare this rule, but neither did they declare Ch. 9 as the emergency channel. In fact, Ch. 9 used the be the 'calling' channel while other channels were used for emergencies in different zones. It wasn't until about 1970 that Ch. 9 was universally adopted by the CB community as the emergency channel. Anyway, it doesn't take a declaration from the FCC to work SSB anywhere on the legal 40. What the FCC -has- declared is that operation outside the legal 40 -- i.e, the so-called 'freeband' -- is illegal. I have used the upper 40 on SSB. But found that many people talk AM on those freqs. which makes it hard to use SSB for DXing. You can wave the illegal flag all you want, I will still use the freeband. The 'freeband' is attractive because many people want a license-free ham band. They want the benefits without the responsibility or the effort. It's that simple. You can run illegally and still be responsible about it. That's an old and tired excuse. You can't violate the law and be responsible at the same time -- it's an oxymoron. Think about it: "You can spit on the sidewalk and still be responsible about it." "You can speed in the freeway and still be responsible about it." When my 3 year old grandson drank a bottle of furniture polish, I felt fully justified exceeding the speed limit to get him to the hospital. I didn't cut anyone off or force them off the road to do so. I consider that a responsible breaking of the law. Ambulances (and other emergency vehicles) have lights, sirens and reflective paints to provide a measure of safety while they drive faster than the speed limit, and sometimes even those measures don't work. So what makes you think you were being responsible by speeding to the hospital without such measures? You endangered the life of your son, yourself, and other people on the road. You took a chance with other people's lives and you got lucky. That's not being responsible. You can wait on the ambulance if you choose. I live in a rural area and by the time the ambulance arives I can already be in the ER. I just hope you are never in this situation. Or maybe you just don't care enough about your family to expidite them to the hospital. If you had called for emergency assistance they probably would have sent out paramedics that could have treated your son at the scene, and arrived faster than you made it to the hospital. Of course I expect your next excuse is that you live in a remote location that takes too long for emergency vehicles to respond, or that there's no place for a helicopter to land near your home, or some crap like that. But those are just excuses. The fact is that 911 can provide specific info over the phone on whatever poison you have laying around your house, and provide instructions that can render immediate aid. And because many poisons work fast, that information not only saves lives but prevents excessive injury when the poison is non-fatal. Now THAT would have been the responsible thing to do instead of speeding to the hospital. Yes a chopper could land in the field behind my house. The chopper happens to be 40 miles from here. Again I can already be in the ER. Unfortunately, most people don't think about those things until it's too late. And some people wait for EMS and they are too late. "You can burglarize a house and still be responsible about it." "You can murder someone with a gun and still be responsible about it." (and before you condemn me for that last analogy, remember that it's the same analogy -you- used earlier in -your- post). NO, I stated that eliminating guns would not stop murder. People were killing each other long before firearms were invented. I simply used that anology to point out that eliminating amps would not stop foolish behavior on the C.B. Don't backpedal -- you equated illegal radio equipment with guns so I did the same. You claimed that you violate laws responsibly, an excuse that anyone can see is hogwash when using -your own- analogy. Don't you understand that 'law' is a method of enforcing responsibility? Basically, law -is- responsibility in a written form. The only way to 'responsibly violate' a law is if there is a more important (and legally justifiable) responsibility. Rushing your son to the hospital would have been such an example if there were no better alternatives. Regardless, 'freebanding' hardly compares with a medical emergency. Never stated that freebanding equals a med emergency. You missed my point entirely. I could try to explain it again, but you only see things in black and white. It just doesn't wash. And it still doesn't wash. I do everything I can to make sure I am not coming over phone lines and bleeding on several channels. I don't use junk export radios, I use low pass filters and I check my equipment with a scope. I don't run power unless I really need to. BTW, Copper no longer sells amps. It's not just about RFI. It's also about the hogging of a channel by a single dork with an amp. If you increase your power enough to double your range, you are cutting off the channel over an area that could accomodate at least six other people. Double your range again and you cut off 36 -more- potential users. The numbers rise exponentially, and so does the frustration of legal "mud-ducks" trying to talk to someone just down the road. If I am stranded I'm sure that the C.B. community would understand that I had to break into the regular chit chit long enough to get assistance. I rarely use an amp for AM regular 40. I do sometimes use it on freebands to shoot some skip on SSB. If they were legal mud-ducks, what are they doing on the freebands? I was talking about amps, but we can talk about the 'freeband', too. For example, the word 'freeband' is a misnomer. It is not 'free'. That part of the spectrum has been allocated. Part of it is a buffer zone above Ch. 40, and the rest is allocated for private and government services. Freebanders use those freqs because they claim not to hear any activity, which is a logical fallacy -- if freebanders are using those freqs then it's impossible -not- to hear activity. The next excuse is that none of the activity heard is from -licensed- users, which is another fallacy because those freqs are licensed to be used (or not used) as the licensed "mud-ducks" see fit. IOW, just because you don't hear any licensed activity doesn't mean the freqs have been abandoned. If that were the case, 121.5MHz would be a very popular 'freeband' freq. Never stated that they were abandoned. I know who has legal access to the freebands. And it is not licensed mud-ducks. Using an amp is not just illegal; it's rude, inconsiderate, and it's not how the CB band was intended to be used. If you can't resist the temptation to play hammie then get a license and work the ham bands. I don't consider it rude to use an amp to get help. And that's another favorite excuse. The FCC determined that use of illegal equipment for emergencies is only justified if there is no other means available AND the emergency could not have been anticipated and prepared for by other means. IOW, if you know you are going into the deep woods where a cell phone won't work and a legal CB won't work, it is your responsibility (yes, I said 'responsibility') to anticipate the possibility of an emergency and have a plan for legal communications. This was decided in response to a petition by someone trying to void the 155 mile rule by using the same excuse. The FCC didn't buy it, and I don't either. Cell phones cover most of the US. Satellite phones work darn near anywhere except in caves. Ham radio is available from 160m through microwaves, and they even have their own satellite repeaters. There is no valid reason to plan on using illegal radio operation for emergencies when better and legal alternatives exist. How much do you pay a month for your satt phone Frank? Must be nice to have that much money to burn. If more hams were to educate C.B.ers on the benifits of becoming a ham instead of treating us like we are the spawn of Satan, maybe I would get my ham ticket. Most of the hams that I have met have been quite rude and I don't wish to waste my time and money on a hobby I don't think I would enjoy. Not all hams are rude. On the contrary, most hams that I have met are quite agreeable. They are people, just like everyone else. And I don't know why you wouldn't like ham radio when that is basically what you are doing already on the 'freeband'. The only difference is that you would be doing it legally. Does that take the fun out of it for you? No it doesn't. It may very well be fun. In fact there are a lot of good things I would like about ham radio, mostly the tech side. I didn't state all hams are bad, just the ones I have talked to, they tend to treat C.B.ers as second class citizens and I won't be a part of that. I'm sorry I razzed you about St. Louis. :-) |
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message ... "DR. Death" wrote in message ... "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:58:04 -0600, "DR. Death" wrote in : "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:41:08 -0600, "DR. Death" wrote in : "Gulf Coast Tony" wrote in message . com... I agree it's high time to bust the non type accepted radio dealers. CB is most fun when using real CB stuff. Any idiot can run high power to clobber a channel. Whats wrong with using 4 watts and a nice antenna? I'm not a ham. I am a CB'er. There's nothing wrong with enjoying this hobby. Lets just do it the right way. Here's a few places that deal in 10 meter radios and amps for 11 meters. I don't know what we the law abiding CB community can do about it. The sooner the FCC does their job the better for all of us. Then maybe the fools that scream "AUDIO" and cuss and foul up the channels will be gone ! 73'3 Tony http://www.copper.com/ http://wholesalecbradio.com/ http://www.gijoesradioelectronics.com/ http://www.geocities.com/macscbshop/CB_Equipment.html http://www.bellscb.com/ http://www.rrcom.com/welcome.html P.S......we should also do business with those honest dealers that DON't sell modified radios and amps. Here's a couple. http://www.universal-radio.com/ http://www.alfenterprises.com/ That won't stop the people from cussing and keying down to jamb channels, fools are fools regardless of the equipment, that's the same as saying there would be no murders if we outlaw guns. Yes, assholes will be assholes regardless of the equipment that's available. The problems started just after the Citizen's Band was created, and they aren't going away anytime soon. But that's no excuse to add to the problems with more amps. I never stated we should add more amps. You were defending the sale of illegal radio equipment which, if I'm not mistaken, includes amps. The fact is that if there were fewer amps there would be fewer idiots using them. Same with guns. But guns are legal while CB amps are not. Neither are modified and 'export' radios. But legal or not, the same rule applies -- the fewer that are in circulation the fewer that will be in use. Where did I state in this post that I defended the sale of exports or amps? I stated that eliminating amps would not eliminate fools on C.B. Sometimes 4 watts is not enough. When I go mudding in my truck, sometimes I'm in places with no cell service and kicking on the amp saves me from walking 10 miles if I break down or get stuck. Get a 3-watt cellphone. I have a Uniden SMS-316TSD in my truck and it works great. Coverage is almost 100% (that is unless you are going deep into the Bitterroots, in which case it pays to get a satellite phone). There are many places in my neck of the woods where a 3 watt cell phone still won't work. I don't know if where you live is anything like the Rockies or the Cascades, but you don't have to walk far to find a spot that will work even with a handheld cellphone. In the deep woods, CB seems to be more reliable than cellphones anyway -- you can usually raise a logging camp or ranger post no matter where you are. But if you plan to go into such remote places where normal services don't work, it's your responsibility to anticipate an emergency and provide for legal communications. In a perfect world, yes. But I guess you carry every part that fits your vehicle when you leave the house. And 4 watts on Ch. 9 will reach 10 miles without a problem if you have a decent antenna because there is very little noise on the channel. So I don't see your reasons as justification for an amp. Channel 10 is our local channel in this area. A lot of the locals with clipped limiters and amps can bleed enough that from 10 miles 4 watts won't always get me help, particularly when I'm in a river bottom surrounded by bluffs. If you are getting that much interference in a radio dead-zone then it isn't much of a radio dead-zone, is it? And if the other end of your comm can't seperate your fundamental from all the QRM then just how 'remote' is this place? Doesn't seem that remote to me. It sounds like you are just making excuses. Your more than welcome to go fishing, hunting, 4 wheeling with me and bring your cell. It might be usefull for telling time but useless to talk on in some places that I frequent. You obviously live in an area with great cell coverage. I do not. You are looking for excuses to argue. I also like to shoot skip on sideband and the best place for that is the freebands. The best place for that is the ham bands. If your a ham which I am not. If the FCC would have allocated part of the C.B. band to SSB only, maybe the freband would be less attractive. It's not hard to get a license. It's been done by hundreds of thousands -- maybe millions -- of people around the world. I never stated that it was hard. I have looked at the sample test questions and have no doubt I can pass. And the upper portion of the legal 40 is mostly used for SSB. The FCC didn't declare this rule, but neither did they declare Ch. 9 as the emergency channel. In fact, Ch. 9 used the be the 'calling' channel while other channels were used for emergencies in different zones. It wasn't until about 1970 that Ch. 9 was universally adopted by the CB community as the emergency channel. Anyway, it doesn't take a declaration from the FCC to work SSB anywhere on the legal 40. What the FCC -has- declared is that operation outside the legal 40 -- i.e, the so-called 'freeband' -- is illegal. I have used the upper 40 on SSB. But found that many people talk AM on those freqs. which makes it hard to use SSB for DXing. You can wave the illegal flag all you want, I will still use the freeband. The 'freeband' is attractive because many people want a license-free ham band. They want the benefits without the responsibility or the effort. It's that simple. You can run illegally and still be responsible about it. That's an old and tired excuse. You can't violate the law and be responsible at the same time -- it's an oxymoron. Think about it: "You can spit on the sidewalk and still be responsible about it." "You can speed in the freeway and still be responsible about it." When my 3 year old grandson drank a bottle of furniture polish, I felt fully justified exceeding the speed limit to get him to the hospital. I didn't cut anyone off or force them off the road to do so. I consider that a responsible breaking of the law. Ambulances (and other emergency vehicles) have lights, sirens and reflective paints to provide a measure of safety while they drive faster than the speed limit, and sometimes even those measures don't work. So what makes you think you were being responsible by speeding to the hospital without such measures? You endangered the life of your son, yourself, and other people on the road. You took a chance with other people's lives and you got lucky. That's not being responsible. You can wait on the ambulance if you choose. I live in a rural area and by the time the ambulance arives I can already be in the ER. I just hope you are never in this situation. Or maybe you just don't care enough about your family to expidite them to the hospital. If you had called for emergency assistance they probably would have sent out paramedics that could have treated your son at the scene, and arrived faster than you made it to the hospital. Of course I expect your next excuse is that you live in a remote location that takes too long for emergency vehicles to respond, or that there's no place for a helicopter to land near your home, or some crap like that. But those are just excuses. The fact is that 911 can provide specific info over the phone on whatever poison you have laying around your house, and provide instructions that can render immediate aid. And because many poisons work fast, that information not only saves lives but prevents excessive injury when the poison is non-fatal. Now THAT would have been the responsible thing to do instead of speeding to the hospital. Yes a chopper could land in the field behind my house. The chopper happens to be 40 miles from here. Again I can already be in the ER. Unfortunately, most people don't think about those things until it's too late. And some people wait for EMS and they are too late. "You can burglarize a house and still be responsible about it." "You can murder someone with a gun and still be responsible about it." (and before you condemn me for that last analogy, remember that it's the same analogy -you- used earlier in -your- post). NO, I stated that eliminating guns would not stop murder. People were killing each other long before firearms were invented. I simply used that anology to point out that eliminating amps would not stop foolish behavior on the C.B. Don't backpedal -- you equated illegal radio equipment with guns so I did the same. You claimed that you violate laws responsibly, an excuse that anyone can see is hogwash when using -your own- analogy. Don't you understand that 'law' is a method of enforcing responsibility? Basically, law -is- responsibility in a written form. The only way to 'responsibly violate' a law is if there is a more important (and legally justifiable) responsibility. Rushing your son to the hospital would have been such an example if there were no better alternatives. Regardless, 'freebanding' hardly compares with a medical emergency. Never stated that freebanding equals a med emergency. You missed my point entirely. I could try to explain it again, but you only see things in black and white. It just doesn't wash. And it still doesn't wash. I do everything I can to make sure I am not coming over phone lines and bleeding on several channels. I don't use junk export radios, I use low pass filters and I check my equipment with a scope. I don't run power unless I really need to. BTW, Copper no longer sells amps. It's not just about RFI. It's also about the hogging of a channel by a single dork with an amp. If you increase your power enough to double your range, you are cutting off the channel over an area that could accomodate at least six other people. Double your range again and you cut off 36 -more- potential users. The numbers rise exponentially, and so does the frustration of legal "mud-ducks" trying to talk to someone just down the road. If I am stranded I'm sure that the C.B. community would understand that I had to break into the regular chit chit long enough to get assistance. I rarely use an amp for AM regular 40. I do sometimes use it on freebands to shoot some skip on SSB. If they were legal mud-ducks, what are they doing on the freebands? I was talking about amps, but we can talk about the 'freeband', too. For example, the word 'freeband' is a misnomer. It is not 'free'. That part of the spectrum has been allocated. Part of it is a buffer zone above Ch. 40, and the rest is allocated for private and government services. Freebanders use those freqs because they claim not to hear any activity, which is a logical fallacy -- if freebanders are using those freqs then it's impossible -not- to hear activity. The next excuse is that none of the activity heard is from -licensed- users, which is another fallacy because those freqs are licensed to be used (or not used) as the licensed "mud-ducks" see fit. IOW, just because you don't hear any licensed activity doesn't mean the freqs have been abandoned. If that were the case, 121.5MHz would be a very popular 'freeband' freq. Never stated that they were abandoned. I know who has legal access to the freebands. And it is not licensed mud-ducks. Using an amp is not just illegal; it's rude, inconsiderate, and it's not how the CB band was intended to be used. If you can't resist the temptation to play hammie then get a license and work the ham bands. I don't consider it rude to use an amp to get help. And that's another favorite excuse. The FCC determined that use of illegal equipment for emergencies is only justified if there is no other means available AND the emergency could not have been anticipated and prepared for by other means. IOW, if you know you are going into the deep woods where a cell phone won't work and a legal CB won't work, it is your responsibility (yes, I said 'responsibility') to anticipate the possibility of an emergency and have a plan for legal communications. This was decided in response to a petition by someone trying to void the 155 mile rule by using the same excuse. The FCC didn't buy it, and I don't either. Cell phones cover most of the US. Satellite phones work darn near anywhere except in caves. Ham radio is available from 160m through microwaves, and they even have their own satellite repeaters. There is no valid reason to plan on using illegal radio operation for emergencies when better and legal alternatives exist. How much do you pay a month for your satt phone Frank? Must be nice to have that much money to burn. If more hams were to educate C.B.ers on the benifits of becoming a ham instead of treating us like we are the spawn of Satan, maybe I would get my ham ticket. Most of the hams that I have met have been quite rude and I don't wish to waste my time and money on a hobby I don't think I would enjoy. Not all hams are rude. On the contrary, most hams that I have met are quite agreeable. They are people, just like everyone else. And I don't know why you wouldn't like ham radio when that is basically what you are doing already on the 'freeband'. The only difference is that you would be doing it legally. Does that take the fun out of it for you? No it doesn't. It may very well be fun. In fact there are a lot of good things I would like about ham radio, mostly the tech side. I didn't state all hams are bad, just the ones I have talked to, they tend to treat C.B.ers as second class citizens and I won't be a part of that. I'm sorry I razzed you about St. Louis. :-) LOL that's quite allright. Don't think I wouldn't be gloating if we won. |
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:50:06 -0600, "DR. Death"
wrote in : snip I never stated we should add more amps. You were defending the sale of illegal radio equipment which, if I'm not mistaken, includes amps. The fact is that if there were fewer amps there would be fewer idiots using them. Same with guns. But guns are legal while CB amps are not. Neither are modified and 'export' radios. But legal or not, the same rule applies -- the fewer that are in circulation the fewer that will be in use. Where did I state in this post that I defended the sale of exports or amps? I stated that eliminating amps would not eliminate fools on C.B. Your statement was in opposition to the OP who suggested that the sale of illegal equipment should be curbed. To me that sounds like you are defending the sale of those items. snip I don't know if where you live is anything like the Rockies or the Cascades, but you don't have to walk far to find a spot that will work even with a handheld cellphone. In the deep woods, CB seems to be more reliable than cellphones anyway -- you can usually raise a logging camp or ranger post no matter where you are. But if you plan to go into such remote places where normal services don't work, it's your responsibility to anticipate an emergency and provide for legal communications. In a perfect world, yes. But I guess you carry every part that fits your vehicle when you leave the house. .....huh? The law isn't perfect and neither are people. But that's not a valid excuse to violate the law. Yet you go one step further and justify the expense and effort of illegal operation as a forethought towards an emergency situation. Well, if emergency communications is important enough to demand that much thought and effort, illegal operation is probably the -worst- choice. As I stated before, there are other methods that are both better and legal, and not suprisingly enough they require less effort and expense than illegal operation. Add to that the practical uselessness of the freeband as an emergency communications channel -- it's no better than CB in that communication with emergency services is, at best, a bucket-brigade. You can get direct comm to emergency services using satellite and cell phones, and even using ham radio via skip or satellite. This saves not only time (which can be critical in an emergency situation), but also prevents the miscommunication that usually accompanies "human repeaters" (you played that 'pass-the-message' game in grade school, didn't you?). snip If you are getting that much interference in a radio dead-zone then it isn't much of a radio dead-zone, is it? And if the other end of your comm can't seperate your fundamental from all the QRM then just how 'remote' is this place? Doesn't seem that remote to me. It sounds like you are just making excuses. Your more than welcome to go fishing, hunting, 4 wheeling with me and bring your cell. It might be usefull for telling time but useless to talk on in some places that I frequent. You obviously live in an area with great cell coverage. I do not. You are looking for excuses to argue. On the contrary, it is -you- that is making excuses to run illegally. If you are in a radio dead-zone then how does your signal get out at all? It won't. I live in Spokane, WA. I have worked with a couple logging companies in both the Cascades and Rockies (which is why I mentioned those two mountain ranges previously). You can bet that there are places where comm sucks. There are large areas where there is no cell phone coverage, at least not officially. But at those altitudes, all you need to do is climb up to a peak with a 3-watt phone and you can easily hit a cell tower 50 miles away. If you don't believe me, take note of a recent incident on Mt. Rainier where a climber was rescued after contacting a hunter 40 miles away with his FRS. And if you are in a canyon or deep valley, it doesn't matter how much power you run, there's nothing you can do on radio unless you have VLF or satellite. I also like to shoot skip on sideband and the best place for that is the freebands. The best place for that is the ham bands. If your a ham which I am not. If the FCC would have allocated part of the C.B. band to SSB only, maybe the freband would be less attractive. It's not hard to get a license. It's been done by hundreds of thousands -- maybe millions -- of people around the world. I never stated that it was hard. I never stated you did. I have looked at the sample test questions and have no doubt I can pass. And the upper portion of the legal 40 is mostly used for SSB. The FCC didn't declare this rule, but neither did they declare Ch. 9 as the emergency channel. In fact, Ch. 9 used the be the 'calling' channel while other channels were used for emergencies in different zones. It wasn't until about 1970 that Ch. 9 was universally adopted by the CB community as the emergency channel. Anyway, it doesn't take a declaration from the FCC to work SSB anywhere on the legal 40. What the FCC -has- declared is that operation outside the legal 40 -- i.e, the so-called 'freeband' -- is illegal. I have used the upper 40 on SSB. But found that many people talk AM on those freqs. which makes it hard to use SSB for DXing. In case you hadn't noticed, the ham bands have much more spectrum and MUCH better DX conditions. Seems to me that ham DX would be much easier than freebanding. You can wave the illegal flag all you want, I will still use the freeband. That pretty much sums up your argument -- you'll do it because you want to. No valid reasons, no legal justification, and no regard for better alternatives. It all boils down to the fact that you want the benefits without the license. Am I wrong? If I am then at least provide a -legitimate- reason for violating the law because your other excuses are bogus. snip Ambulances (and other emergency vehicles) have lights, sirens and reflective paints to provide a measure of safety while they drive faster than the speed limit, and sometimes even those measures don't work. So what makes you think you were being responsible by speeding to the hospital without such measures? You endangered the life of your son, yourself, and other people on the road. You took a chance with other people's lives and you got lucky. That's not being responsible. You can wait on the ambulance if you choose. I live in a rural area and by the time the ambulance arives I can already be in the ER. I just hope you are never in this situation. Or maybe you just don't care enough about your family to expidite them to the hospital. ......uh, yeah. right. You live xx miles from the hospital. If you leave your home at the same time the ambulance leaves the hospital, and you are both driving the same speed, you each get to your destination at about the same time. But in the process you have risked the lives of your son, yourself and others on the road by your urgent driving, you have further endangered your son because he may not have been in a condition stable enough to transport, and while you were driving to the hospital you could have been administering first aid from directions given by professionals over the phone. You can make any excuse you want, you can try the what-if-it-was-your-kid sympathy trip, you can plead the concerned-father routine, and you can even justify your actions by the fact that you were lucky and nobody got hurt. But the fact is it would have been better to stay home talking with 911 and wait for emergency services to arrive. If you had called for emergency assistance they probably would have sent out paramedics that could have treated your son at the scene, and arrived faster than you made it to the hospital. Of course I expect your next excuse is that you live in a remote location that takes too long for emergency vehicles to respond, or that there's no place for a helicopter to land near your home, or some crap like that. But those are just excuses. The fact is that 911 can provide specific info over the phone on whatever poison you have laying around your house, and provide instructions that can render immediate aid. And because many poisons work fast, that information not only saves lives but prevents excessive injury when the poison is non-fatal. Now THAT would have been the responsible thing to do instead of speeding to the hospital. Yes a chopper could land in the field behind my house. The chopper happens to be 40 miles from here. Again I can already be in the ER. Unfortunately, most people don't think about those things until it's too late. And some people wait for EMS and they are too late. You are starting to sound like my grandma did when she talked about seatbelts. She came up with every excuse in the book until it finally boiled down to something like, "What if the car catches fire and I can't undo my seatbelt because I'm unconscious?" Even my 80 yo granny finally figured out that she was just making excuses because she simply didn't want to wear a seatbelt. If my grandma can figure it out, why can't you? "You can burglarize a house and still be responsible about it." "You can murder someone with a gun and still be responsible about it." (and before you condemn me for that last analogy, remember that it's the same analogy -you- used earlier in -your- post). NO, I stated that eliminating guns would not stop murder. People were killing each other long before firearms were invented. I simply used that anology to point out that eliminating amps would not stop foolish behavior on the C.B. Don't backpedal -- you equated illegal radio equipment with guns so I did the same. You claimed that you violate laws responsibly, an excuse that anyone can see is hogwash when using -your own- analogy. Don't you understand that 'law' is a method of enforcing responsibility? Basically, law -is- responsibility in a written form. The only way to 'responsibly violate' a law is if there is a more important (and legally justifiable) responsibility. Rushing your son to the hospital would have been such an example if there were no better alternatives. Regardless, 'freebanding' hardly compares with a medical emergency. Never stated that freebanding equals a med emergency. You used the example of a medical emergency to justify your violation of the law, and with respect to both speeding -and- amps. You missed my point entirely. I could try to explain it again, but you only see things in black and white. No, I see things logically. And I see you making excuses instead of valid arguments. I'm still waiting for a justifiable reason for using amps and/or freebanding. Do you have one or not? snip ..... IOW, just because you don't hear any licensed activity doesn't mean the freqs have been abandoned. If that were the case, 121.5MHz would be a very popular 'freeband' freq. Never stated that they were abandoned. I know who has legal access to the freebands. And it is not licensed mud-ducks. Do you want a list? snip .... There is no valid reason to plan on using illegal radio operation for emergencies when better and legal alternatives exist. How much do you pay a month for your satt phone Frank? Must be nice to have that much money to burn. I don't. I rent one when I need it. They don't cost that much to rent when you are only going out for a week or so at a time. And the expense is well worth the security, as I have found out more than once. But ham radio has it's own satellites which don't cost a penny, and the equipment isn't any more expensive than one of those 'export' radios or a big amp. Also, in the past few years I have been playing with LF and VLF. For example, the 1750m (lowfer) band is license-free, and one watt will give you -reliable- comm for 30+ miles in -any- terrain -- even better in the winter months (-despite- all the band noise). And it's suprisingly cheap, comparable in cost to a legal CB radio setup. So -that- excuse doesn't wash, either. If more hams were to educate C.B.ers on the benifits of becoming a ham instead of treating us like we are the spawn of Satan, maybe I would get my ham ticket. Most of the hams that I have met have been quite rude and I don't wish to waste my time and money on a hobby I don't think I would enjoy. Not all hams are rude. On the contrary, most hams that I have met are quite agreeable. They are people, just like everyone else. And I don't know why you wouldn't like ham radio when that is basically what you are doing already on the 'freeband'. The only difference is that you would be doing it legally. Does that take the fun out of it for you? No it doesn't. It may very well be fun. In fact there are a lot of good things I would like about ham radio, mostly the tech side. I didn't state all hams are bad, just the ones I have talked to, they tend to treat C.B.ers as second class citizens and I won't be a part of that. I don't believe that attitude is required under Part 97. You might check anyway just to be sure. Regardless, do you really think that they should embrace you when you basically **** in their faces by blatantly disregarding the reasons they got their licenses? If you do then you are, at best, naive. You do not sound as if you enjoy C.B., maybe you should get your ham ticket so that you can associate with your own kind. I do enjoy CB. And it's because I enjoy it that I hate to see it get messed up by idiots with amps, as well as get a worse reputation because of 'freebanders' calling themselves CBers -- CB is legal; freebanding is radio piracy and is a violation of federal law. I'm not a ham, and I don't want a ham license because there is nothing in that service that interests me. If ARRL-of-Borg ever convince the FCC to assimilate the 1750m band, maybe then I'll think about getting a ham license. Until then I'm just a responsible and legal CBer. Good for you. I'll stick to freebanding. I have no doubt you will. After all, you have invoked just about every excuse ever used to defend it. I expected more from you on the amp issue, but that's ok -- maybe next time. Anyway, I thank you for yet another opportunity to debunk the standard lineup of lame excuses that freebanders use to violate federal law. 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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... snip If you are getting that much interference in a radio dead-zone then it isn't much of a radio dead-zone, is it? And if the other end of your comm can't seperate your fundamental from all the QRM then just how 'remote' is this place? Doesn't seem that remote to me. It sounds like you are just making excuses. Your more than welcome to go fishing, hunting, 4 wheeling with me and bring your cell. It might be usefull for telling time but useless to talk on in some places that I frequent. You obviously live in an area with great cell coverage. I do not. You are looking for excuses to argue. On the contrary, it is -you- that is making excuses to run illegally. If you are in a radio dead-zone then how does your signal get out at all? It won't. I live in Spokane, WA. I have worked with a couple logging companies in both the Cascades and Rockies (which is why I mentioned those two mountain ranges previously). You can bet that there are places where comm sucks. There are large areas where there is no cell phone coverage, at least not officially. But at those altitudes, all you need to do is climb up to a peak with a 3-watt phone and you can easily hit a cell tower 50 miles away. If you don't believe me, take note of a recent incident on Mt. Rainier where a climber was rescued after contacting a hunter 40 miles away with his FRS. And if you are in a canyon or deep valley, it doesn't matter how much power you run, there's nothing you can do on radio unless you have VLF or satellite. Well Frank, you know I off road a lot, and there are times where both Ham & cb freqs will work, with a little extra help and cells don't work worth the powder to blow them up. I was at a Bronco event in Ariz, we were between canyon walls, doing some serious rock crawling, one rig was trying to traverse the 6.5" rock wall. Well he broke his spring perch, nobody had a portable welder on them. Got on the radio, his rig was stock, another person had a rig with a 100 watts, fired it up, got a hold a someone a couple miles away. He wheeled in and welded up the spring perch. We could've hiked up to a point and got a cell signal, but back at the camp, cell signals were non existent, so the radio came to work better. Now I too am also fast becoming a believer in sat phones, almost anywhere you can get a signal, just like the sat radio (XM) which I subscribed too now. Landshark -- That does suck..sometimes you're the windshield..sometimes you're the bug. |
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:26:25 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote in : "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message .. . snip If you are getting that much interference in a radio dead-zone then it isn't much of a radio dead-zone, is it? And if the other end of your comm can't seperate your fundamental from all the QRM then just how 'remote' is this place? Doesn't seem that remote to me. It sounds like you are just making excuses. Your more than welcome to go fishing, hunting, 4 wheeling with me and bring your cell. It might be usefull for telling time but useless to talk on in some places that I frequent. You obviously live in an area with great cell coverage. I do not. You are looking for excuses to argue. On the contrary, it is -you- that is making excuses to run illegally. If you are in a radio dead-zone then how does your signal get out at all? It won't. I live in Spokane, WA. I have worked with a couple logging companies in both the Cascades and Rockies (which is why I mentioned those two mountain ranges previously). You can bet that there are places where comm sucks. There are large areas where there is no cell phone coverage, at least not officially. But at those altitudes, all you need to do is climb up to a peak with a 3-watt phone and you can easily hit a cell tower 50 miles away. If you don't believe me, take note of a recent incident on Mt. Rainier where a climber was rescued after contacting a hunter 40 miles away with his FRS. And if you are in a canyon or deep valley, it doesn't matter how much power you run, there's nothing you can do on radio unless you have VLF or satellite. Well Frank, you know I off road a lot, and there are times where both Ham & cb freqs will work, with a little extra help and cells don't work worth the powder to blow them up. I found that digital phones are far more fussy than their old analog predecessors. And some services just plain suck for coverage. I was at a Bronco event in Ariz, we were between canyon walls, doing some serious rock crawling, one rig was trying to traverse the 6.5" rock wall. Well he broke his spring perch, nobody had a portable welder on them. Got on the radio, his rig was stock, another person had a rig with a 100 watts, fired it up, got a hold a someone a couple miles away. Well now you have been reading this group long enough to know that there could be a multitude of reasons why that is. I might be inclined to believe that terrain was a factor if I knew that the stock radio was working properly and had a good..... hold the phone: he busted his suspension on a 6.5" rock wall? What were these rigs -- RC cars? He wheeled in and welded up the spring perch. We could've hiked up to a point and got a cell signal, but back at the camp, cell signals were non existent, so the radio came to work better. Now I too am also fast becoming a believer in sat phones, almost anywhere you can get a signal, just like the sat radio (XM) which I subscribed too now. I don't have much interest in XM -- takes the fun out of long trips. I actually enjoy fiddling with the radio, finding local stations and hearing what's going on in the town I'm passing through. But I'm rapidly losing interest in that, too, now that most of the stations are controlled by the broadcast monopolies and sound pretty much the same. Just curious, can you get AM local advisory stations with an XM radio? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
"DR. Death" wrote in message
... "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... Not all hams are rude. On the contrary, most hams that I have met are quite agreeable. They are people, just like everyone else. And I don't know why you wouldn't like ham radio when that is basically what you are doing already on the 'freeband'. The only difference is that you would be doing it legally. Does that take the fun out of it for you? No it doesn't. It may very well be fun. In fact there are a lot of good things I would like about ham radio, mostly the tech side. I didn't state all hams are bad, just the ones I have talked to, they tend to treat C.B.ers as second class citizens and I won't be a part of that. S o your going to let a few hams who look down on cbers stop you from getting a license? ,,you give up too easy is the real problem I think. |
"Landshark" wrote:
Well he broke his spring perch, nobody had a portable welder on them. Got on the radio, his rig was stock, another person had a rig with a 100 watts, fired it up, got a hold a someone a couple miles away. WoW, I thought you were gonna say he used his amp to weld it. Ha! |
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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... I don't have much interest in XM -- takes the fun out of long trips. I actually enjoy fiddling with the radio, finding local stations and hearing what's going on in the town I'm passing through. But I'm rapidly losing interest in that, too, now that most of the stations are controlled by the broadcast monopolies and sound pretty much the same. Just curious, can you get AM local advisory stations with an XM radio? I love my XM, Keep in mind your radio still works! You don't get AM advisories but you CAN tune over to AM. XM has also instituted an emergency channel for times when things get bad. CH 247. They did volcano coverage, etc. I want to see what they do when the tornado belt gets rolling! If you only listen to talk radio XM is not for you but to listen to music, COMEDY (yes!), or anything else it's the best $10 a month I spend! Chad |
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:05:21 -0600, "Chad Wahls" wrote in : "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message . .. And 4 watts on Ch. 9 will reach 10 miles without a problem if you have a decent antenna because there is very little noise on the channel. So I don't see your reasons as justification for an amp. No noise on channel 9!?!?!? Have you listened to ch9 lately? Seems that ch 9 lately has been the telemundo of CB!!!!! Is this Mexico's calling channel? Chad I monitor Ch. 9. It's pretty quiet around my parts. Since it's noisy where you are, how does the noise compare with the rest of the band? I'm on really flat land, first off, we're talkin' REALLY FLAT, that may make a difference. I usually get pelted by the normal ch6, ch11 everything else is fairly quiet down there except 19, which is obvious. I started monotoring ch 9 on the bench while doing repairs, I stopped when I could not listen to music because the spanish gibberish and swearing was too much for the squelch to keep it down for effective safety monotoring. Same thing happened in the pickup with just a 3' Firestik and the former cheapo cobra, so I know it's not my "amazing" base antenna :) Dunno, maybe I'm just in the right spot, where are you located Frank? I'm in Central Illinois. Pretty far away from Mexico or other spanish speaking countries. Chad |
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:26:25 GMT, "Landshark" wrote in : "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message . .. snip If you are getting that much interference in a radio dead-zone then it isn't much of a radio dead-zone, is it? And if the other end of your comm can't seperate your fundamental from all the QRM then just how 'remote' is this place? Doesn't seem that remote to me. It sounds like you are just making excuses. Your more than welcome to go fishing, hunting, 4 wheeling with me and bring your cell. It might be usefull for telling time but useless to talk on in some places that I frequent. You obviously live in an area with great cell coverage. I do not. You are looking for excuses to argue. On the contrary, it is -you- that is making excuses to run illegally. If you are in a radio dead-zone then how does your signal get out at all? It won't. I live in Spokane, WA. I have worked with a couple logging companies in both the Cascades and Rockies (which is why I mentioned those two mountain ranges previously). You can bet that there are places where comm sucks. There are large areas where there is no cell phone coverage, at least not officially. But at those altitudes, all you need to do is climb up to a peak with a 3-watt phone and you can easily hit a cell tower 50 miles away. If you don't believe me, take note of a recent incident on Mt. Rainier where a climber was rescued after contacting a hunter 40 miles away with his FRS. And if you are in a canyon or deep valley, it doesn't matter how much power you run, there's nothing you can do on radio unless you have VLF or satellite. Well Frank, you know I off road a lot, and there are times where both Ham & cb freqs will work, with a little extra help and cells don't work worth the powder to blow them up. I found that digital phones are far more fussy than their old analog predecessors. And some services just plain suck for coverage. I was at a Bronco event in Ariz, we were between canyon walls, doing some serious rock crawling, one rig was trying to traverse the 6.5" rock wall. Well he broke his spring perch, nobody had a portable welder on them. Got on the radio, his rig was stock, another person had a rig with a 100 watts, fired it up, got a hold a someone a couple miles away. Well now you have been reading this group long enough to know that there could be a multitude of reasons why that is. I might be inclined to believe that terrain was a factor if I knew that the stock radio was working properly and had a good..... hold the phone: he busted his suspension on a 6.5" rock wall? What were these rigs -- RC cars? No, bad typing, 6.5'. 2 rigs out of 5 made it up without being winched. Only one rig got the most damage ( the one with broken perch's). Well one rig had a cobra radio, can't remember the model with a 102". It was working fine in my opinion, got out good to the camp most of the time when at altitude. The other radio's seemed to work ok, I remember when we went ahead and were on top of the trail, we heard them just fine. He wheeled in and welded up the spring perch. We could've hiked up to a point and got a cell signal, but back at the camp, cell signals were non existent, so the radio came to work better. Now I too am also fast becoming a believer in sat phones, almost anywhere you can get a signal, just like the sat radio (XM) which I subscribed too now. I don't have much interest in XM -- takes the fun out of long trips. I actually enjoy fiddling with the radio, finding local stations and hearing what's going on in the town I'm passing through. But I'm rapidly losing interest in that, too, now that most of the stations are controlled by the broadcast monopolies and sound pretty much the same. Just curious, can you get AM local advisory stations with an XM radio? On my Pioneer, XM is like the Aux mode, so you can switch between regular & XM with a push of the button. As for "local", it depends on which station your listening too at the time ;) Landshark -- Treat people as if they were what they ought to be and you will help them become what they are capable of becoming. |
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:15:34 -0600, "Chad Wahls"
wrote in : snip I'm on really flat land, first off, we're talkin' REALLY FLAT, that may make a difference. I usually get pelted by the normal ch6, ch11 everything else is fairly quiet down there except 19, which is obvious. I started monotoring ch 9 on the bench while doing repairs, I stopped when I could not listen to music because the spanish gibberish and swearing was too much for the squelch to keep it down for effective safety monotoring. Same thing happened in the pickup with just a 3' Firestik and the former cheapo cobra, so I know it's not my "amazing" base antenna :) Dunno, maybe I'm just in the right spot, where are you located Frank? I'm in Central Illinois. Pretty far away from Mexico or other spanish speaking countries. I'm in the Columbia Basin. Pretty quiet, although we do get skip from California and Mexico from time to time. Occasionally Alberta, too. The east coast comes in low and steady, but nothing from the midwest. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:15:34 -0600, "Chad Wahls"
wrote in : snip I'm on really flat land, first off, we're talkin' REALLY FLAT, that may make a difference. I usually get pelted by the normal ch6, ch11 everything else is fairly quiet down there except 19, which is obvious. I started monotoring ch 9 on the bench while doing repairs, I stopped when I could not listen to music because the spanish gibberish and swearing was too much for the squelch to keep it down for effective safety monotoring. Same thing happened in the pickup with just a 3' Firestik and the former cheapo cobra, so I know it's not my "amazing" base antenna :) Dunno, maybe I'm just in the right spot, where are you located Frank? I'm in Central Illinois. Pretty far away from Mexico or other spanish speaking countries. I'm in the Columbia Basin. Pretty quiet, although we do get skip from California and Mexico from time to time. Occasionally Alberta, too. The east coast comes in low and steady, but nothing from the midwest. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:11:34 -0500, (Twistedhed) wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote: The 'freeband' is attractive because many people want a license-free ham band. Nah,,that's not it. Many folks are not even of the US, let alone aware what we consider a "ham band". They want the benefits without the responsibility or the effort. Compared to WHAT? Ham radio. The only benefit gained by freebanding is more dx than regular cb, and at other times, less crowded than cb 1-40. Cb has always had less responsibility than hammie radio and stereotyping those who gravitate toward it as folks wanting less responsibility is way overthinking why folks play with cb. Folks play with cb for a mess of reasons, but not wanting "responsibility" has more than likely, not ever been a decision of one when purchasing a radio. I was referring to freebanding, not CB. You are correct, people are attracted to CB for a variety of reasons, only one of which is the licence-free aspect. But again, the CB is not the freeband, and the latter is used mostly by those who want to play hammie without the responsibility or accountability of a license. I don't believe that. I wasn't even aware of hammie radio when I started swapping crystals and going in between freqs. And again, many freebanders are not of the US origin and have no concept of hammie radio, let alone opinion of or attempts to imitate it. I have no problem stereotyping -freebanders- into that category, which is what I did. Yea, but it's not even close to being valid. The freeband has its share of hammies from here and abroad. _ And no effort at all is required to change the dial. Or to turn up the squelch. HF dx chasers need it wide open,,,the freeband takes all comers, good and bad, which mostly happens to be polite and courteous users. There is more bleed and discontent to be found on cb AM than the freeband. ----=3D=3D Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News=3D=3D---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---=3D |
"I Am Not George" wrote in message
m... "DR. Death" wrote in message ... "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... Not all hams are rude. On the contrary, most hams that I have met are quite agreeable. They are people, just like everyone else. And I don't know why you wouldn't like ham radio when that is basically what you are doing already on the 'freeband'. The only difference is that you would be doing it legally. Does that take the fun out of it for you? No it doesn't. It may very well be fun. In fact there are a lot of good things I would like about ham radio, mostly the tech side. I didn't state all hams are bad, just the ones I have talked to, they tend to treat C.B.ers as second class citizens and I won't be a part of that. S o your going to let a few hams who look down on cbers stop you from getting a license? ,,you give up too easy is the real problem I think. Give up? When did I start? I have been a C.B.er for 30+ years. I can count on 1 hand the number of hams that have not slammed me for being a C.B.er. I won't turn my back on a hobby I love and join the ranks of those that feel they were gifted by God with their ham ticket. |
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... .... I can count on 1 hand the number of hams that have not slammed me for being a C.B.er. zackly I won't turn my back on a hobby I love and join the ranks of those that feel they were gifted by God with their ham ticket. zackly -Dr.X |
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"I Am Not George" wrote in message
. .. "Dr.X" wrote "DR. Death" wrote in message ... ... I can count on 1 hand the number of hams that have not slammed me for being a C.B.er. zackly I won't turn my back on a hobby I love and join the ranks of those that feel they were gifted by God with their ham ticket. zackly -Dr.X did they slam you before or after you told them you operated out of band and would never give that up Is it my news reader or is it that you don't know how to participate in a news group discussion? It seems that your replies end up in odd places. The thread is thata-way --- Anywayz, I find that most hams that look down on CB'rs don't wait to find out what set of frequencies the CBr prefers. I was told I was CB trash back when I first keyed a radio at the age of 12. The ham never even knew me. He just happend to be next door wroking (10m I'll guess) when my freind and I hung a 1/4 wave whip out my 2nd floor window, switched to channel 14 said "breaker". He was a dick back then, if he's still alive he's probably a dick today, and if he's a troll, he's probably trolling this group being a dick right now. Who knows, maybe if it weren't for so many dicks like him, there'd be more licensed hams. -Dr.X |
"Dr.X" wrote:
"I Am Not George" wrote in message . .. "Dr.X" wrote "DR. Death" wrote in message ... ... I can count on 1 hand the number of hams that have not slammed me for being a C.B.er. zackly I won't turn my back on a hobby I love and join the ranks of those that feel they were gifted by God with their ham ticket. zackly -Dr.X did they slam you before or after you told them you operated out of band and would never give that up Is it my news reader or is it that you don't know how to participate in a news group discussion? It seems that your replies end up in odd places. The thread is thata-way --- He's google ****ed. :) |
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
... On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:50:06 -0600, "DR. Death" wrote in : snip I never stated we should add more amps. You were defending the sale of illegal radio equipment which, if I'm not mistaken, includes amps. The fact is that if there were fewer amps there would be fewer idiots using them. Same with guns. But guns are legal while CB amps are not. Neither are modified and 'export' radios. But legal or not, the same rule applies -- the fewer that are in circulation the fewer that will be in use. Where did I state in this post that I defended the sale of exports or amps? I stated that eliminating amps would not eliminate fools on C.B. Your statement was in opposition to the OP who suggested that the sale of illegal equipment should be curbed. To me that sounds like you are defending the sale of those items. Your opinion, but NOT what I said. snip I don't know if where you live is anything like the Rockies or the Cascades, but you don't have to walk far to find a spot that will work even with a handheld cellphone. In the deep woods, CB seems to be more reliable than cellphones anyway -- you can usually raise a logging camp or ranger post no matter where you are. But if you plan to go into such remote places where normal services don't work, it's your responsibility to anticipate an emergency and provide for legal communications. In a perfect world, yes. But I guess you carry every part that fits your vehicle when you leave the house. ....huh? The law isn't perfect and neither are people. But that's not a valid excuse to violate the law. Yet you go one step further and justify the expense and effort of illegal operation as a forethought towards an emergency situation. Well, if emergency communications is important enough to demand that much thought and effort, What thought and effort or expense? Thought? No cell service I'll pick up the mike. Effort? Look at cell phone then turn knob on and key mike. Expense? I already own the equipment, some of it is over 15 years old. Your putting too much thought and effort into trolling me for an arguement. illegal operation is probably the -worst- choice. As I stated before, there are other methods that are both better and legal, and not suprisingly enough they require less effort and expense than illegal operation. Add to that the practical uselessness of the freeband as an emergency communications channel -- it's no better than CB in that communication with emergency services is, at best, a bucket-brigade. I never stated I used the freeband for emergancy use. I use the freeband for DXing. I use channel 10 to raise the locals for an emergancy. Can you not read or are you seeing things that are not there. You are clearly confused. You can get direct comm to emergency services using satellite and cell phones, and even using ham radio via skip or satellite. This saves not only time (which can be critical in an emergency situation), but also prevents the miscommunication that usually accompanies "human repeaters" (you played that 'pass-the-message' game in grade school, didn't you?). No, it saves time by raising the locals who can make a quick phone call for me. Using your method of ham skip is outright stupid. Contrary to your delusion, I was a good student. No I did not pass notes. snip If you are getting that much interference in a radio dead-zone then it isn't much of a radio dead-zone, is it? And if the other end of your comm can't seperate your fundamental from all the QRM then just how 'remote' is this place? Doesn't seem that remote to me. It sounds like you are just making excuses. Your more than welcome to go fishing, hunting, 4 wheeling with me and bring your cell. It might be usefull for telling time but useless to talk on in some places that I frequent. You obviously live in an area with great cell coverage. I do not. You are looking for excuses to argue. On the contrary, it is -you- that is making excuses to run illegally. If you are in a radio dead-zone then how does your signal get out at all? It won't. You stated it was a dead zone, not me. I stated that there was no cell service. How many times do I need to repeat this before you grasp the concept? I live in Spokane, WA. I have worked with a couple logging companies in both the Cascades and Rockies (which is why I mentioned those two mountain ranges previously). You can bet that there are places where comm sucks. There are large areas where there is no cell phone coverage, at least not officially. But at those altitudes, all you need to do is climb up to a peak with a 3-watt phone and you can easily hit a cell tower 50 miles away. If you don't believe me, take note of a recent incident on Mt. Rainier where a climber was rescued after contacting a hunter 40 miles away with his FRS. And if you are in a canyon or deep valley, it doesn't matter how much power you run, there's nothing you can do on radio unless you have VLF or satellite. Funny how I can still get out on CB but not a cell. Your "nothing you can do" theory doesn't wash. I also like to shoot skip on sideband and the best place for that is the freebands. The best place for that is the ham bands. If your a ham which I am not. If the FCC would have allocated part of the C.B. band to SSB only, maybe the freband would be less attractive. It's not hard to get a license. It's been done by hundreds of thousands -- maybe millions -- of people around the world. I never stated that it was hard. I never stated you did. Yes you did. Quote " It's not hard to get a license. It's been done by hundreds of thousands -- maybe millions -- of people around the world." Maybe you should read what you post. I have looked at the sample test questions and have no doubt I can pass. And the upper portion of the legal 40 is mostly used for SSB. The FCC didn't declare this rule, but neither did they declare Ch. 9 as the emergency channel. In fact, Ch. 9 used the be the 'calling' channel while other channels were used for emergencies in different zones. It wasn't until about 1970 that Ch. 9 was universally adopted by the CB community as the emergency channel. Anyway, it doesn't take a declaration from the FCC to work SSB anywhere on the legal 40. What the FCC -has- declared is that operation outside the legal 40 -- i.e, the so-called 'freeband' -- is illegal. I have used the upper 40 on SSB. But found that many people talk AM on those freqs. which makes it hard to use SSB for DXing. In case you hadn't noticed, the ham bands have much more spectrum and MUCH better DX conditions. Seems to me that ham DX would be much easier than freebanding. Even easier to pick up the phone and call, but where is the fun or challange in that? You can wave the illegal flag all you want, I will still use the freeband. That pretty much sums up your argument -- you'll do it because you want to. No valid reasons, no legal justification, and no regard for better alternatives. It all boils down to the fact that you want the benefits without the license. Am I wrong? If I am then at least provide a -legitimate- reason for violating the law because your other excuses are bogus. This wasn't about legal justification, I merely pointed out that you can be responsible about it. Example...I don't say AUDIO at 1kw. I don't cuss. I don't keydown and lock the channel. I don't cause problems on my neighbors TV by using a filter. You missed the spirit of my post by a country mile. The original post I responded to claimed amp owners were all doing these things, I merely pointed out that not all amp owners are keyclowns. You were the one that decided I had some legal justification. I don't. I do feel a moral obligation to make sure my iliegal activity affects nobady but me. When I rushed my grandson to the hospital it was not a legal justification, it was a moral justification. You only see things in black and white and read more into my post that what I type. snip Ambulances (and other emergency vehicles) have lights, sirens and reflective paints to provide a measure of safety while they drive faster than the speed limit, and sometimes even those measures don't work. So what makes you think you were being responsible by speeding to the hospital without such measures? You endangered the life of your son, yourself, and other people on the road. You took a chance with other people's lives and you got lucky. That's not being responsible. You can wait on the ambulance if you choose. I live in a rural area and by the time the ambulance arives I can already be in the ER. I just hope you are never in this situation. Or maybe you just don't care enough about your family to expidite them to the hospital. .....uh, yeah. right. You live xx miles from the hospital. If you leave your home at the same time the ambulance leaves the hospital, and you are both driving the same speed, you each get to your destination at about the same time. But in the process you have risked the lives of your son, yourself and others on the road by your urgent driving, you have further endangered your son because he may not have been in a condition stable enough to transport, and while you were driving to the hospital you could have been administering first aid from directions given by professionals over the phone. You can make any excuse you want, you can try the what-if-it-was-your-kid sympathy trip, you can plead the concerned-father routine, and you can even justify your actions by the fact that you were lucky and nobody got hurt. But the fact is it would have been better to stay home talking with 911 and wait for emergency services to arrive. Let's see....call 911 then they radio EMS who then gets in ambulance at hospital and drives to my house OR grab kid, jump in car and go. Your right Frank, your way is much faster....NOT I risked only the lives of me and my grandson by driving 10 mph over the limit on a county road withh little traffic. The road was designed for 70mph back in the 60s, it now has a 55mph limit, I drove 65mph. But on this issue I could care less what you think, this was my grandson and I would do it again. You sit and wait if you want, I choose to act. If you had called for emergency assistance they probably would have sent out paramedics that could have treated your son at the scene, and arrived faster than you made it to the hospital. Of course I expect your next excuse is that you live in a remote location that takes too long for emergency vehicles to respond, or that there's no place for a helicopter to land near your home, or some crap like that. But those are just excuses. The fact is that 911 can provide specific info over the phone on whatever poison you have laying around your house, and provide instructions that can render immediate aid. And because many poisons work fast, that information not only saves lives but prevents excessive injury when the poison is non-fatal. Now THAT would have been the responsible thing to do instead of speeding to the hospital. Yes a chopper could land in the field behind my house. The chopper happens to be 40 miles from here. Again I can already be in the ER. Unfortunately, most people don't think about those things until it's too late. And some people wait for EMS and they are too late. You are starting to sound like my grandma did when she talked about seatbelts. She came up with every excuse in the book until it finally boiled down to something like, "What if the car catches fire and I can't undo my seatbelt because I'm unconscious?" Even my 80 yo granny finally figured out that she was just making excuses because she simply didn't want to wear a seatbelt. If my grandma can figure it out, why can't you? I wear my seatbelt and those that ride with me wear them. You are reading things into my post again. "You can burglarize a house and still be responsible about it." "You can murder someone with a gun and still be responsible about it." (and before you condemn me for that last analogy, remember that it's the same analogy -you- used earlier in -your- post). NO, I stated that eliminating guns would not stop murder. People were killing each other long before firearms were invented. I simply used that anology to point out that eliminating amps would not stop foolish behavior on the C.B. Don't backpedal -- you equated illegal radio equipment with guns so I did the same. You claimed that you violate laws responsibly, an excuse that anyone can see is hogwash when using -your own- analogy. Don't you understand that 'law' is a method of enforcing responsibility? Basically, law -is- responsibility in a written form. The only way to 'responsibly violate' a law is if there is a more important (and legally justifiable) responsibility. Rushing your son to the hospital would have been such an example if there were no better alternatives. Regardless, 'freebanding' hardly compares with a medical emergency. Never stated that freebanding equals a med emergency. You used the example of a medical emergency to justify your violation of the law, and with respect to both speeding -and- amps. Moraly justify the speeding? Yes I did. I did not use a medical emergancy to justify amps. Again you read that in your own mind. I will state again that I used my amp to get assistance when my vehicle was stuck and I feel moraly justified. I also use it sometimes on the freebands to shoot DX, I did not try to justify that, I merely pointed out that I did so without cussing, causing interference, jamming the channel, ect..... You missed my point entirely. I could try to explain it again, but you only see things in black and white. No, I see things logically. And I see you making excuses instead of valid arguments. I'm still waiting for a justifiable reason for using amps and/or freebanding. Do you have one or not? No, you are trolling for arguements as evidenced in previous posts, some directed at me. Your logic is fouled as you claimed my posting times were consistant with alcohalism. snip ..... IOW, just because you don't hear any licensed activity doesn't mean the freqs have been abandoned. If that were the case, 121.5MHz would be a very popular 'freeband' freq. Never stated that they were abandoned. I know who has legal access to the freebands. And it is not licensed mud-ducks. Do you want a list? I have a list. I guess we have differant definitions of what a mud-duck is. Unless you are talking about overseas mud-ducks with whom I shoot skip. I certainly don't consider government radio users mud-ducks. snip .... There is no valid reason to plan on using illegal radio operation for emergencies when better and legal alternatives exist. How much do you pay a month for your satt phone Frank? Must be nice to have that much money to burn. I don't. I rent one when I need it. They don't cost that much to rent when you are only going out for a week or so at a time. And the expense is well worth the security, as I have found out more than once. But ham radio has it's own satellites which don't cost a penny, and the equipment isn't any more expensive than one of those 'export' radios or a big amp. Also, in the past few years I have been playing with LF and VLF. For example, the 1750m (lowfer) band is license-free, and one watt will give you -reliable- comm for 30+ miles in -any- terrain -- even better in the winter months (-despite- all the band noise). And it's suprisingly cheap, comparable in cost to a legal CB radio setup. So -that- excuse doesn't wash, either. Sure it does, hardly anyone in my area uses 1750m. Channel 10 always has somebody stading by. If more hams were to educate C.B.ers on the benifits of becoming a ham instead of treating us like we are the spawn of Satan, maybe I would get my ham ticket. Most of the hams that I have met have been quite rude and I don't wish to waste my time and money on a hobby I don't think I would enjoy. Not all hams are rude. On the contrary, most hams that I have met are quite agreeable. They are people, just like everyone else. And I don't know why you wouldn't like ham radio when that is basically what you are doing already on the 'freeband'. The only difference is that you would be doing it legally. Does that take the fun out of it for you? No it doesn't. It may very well be fun. In fact there are a lot of good things I would like about ham radio, mostly the tech side. I didn't state all hams are bad, just the ones I have talked to, they tend to treat C.B.ers as second class citizens and I won't be a part of that. I don't believe that attitude is required under Part 97. You might check anyway just to be sure. Regardless, do you really think that they should embrace you when you basically **** in their faces by blatantly disregarding the reasons they got their licenses? If you do then you are, at best, naive. When did I "**** in their faces by blatantly disregarding the reasons they got their licenses"? You do not sound as if you enjoy C.B., maybe you should get your ham ticket so that you can associate with your own kind. I do enjoy CB. And it's because I enjoy it that I hate to see it get messed up by idiots with amps, as well as get a worse reputation because of 'freebanders' calling themselves CBers -- CB is legal; freebanding is radio piracy and is a violation of federal law. I'm not a ham, and I don't want a ham license because there is nothing in that service that interests me. If ARRL-of-Borg ever convince the FCC to assimilate the 1750m band, maybe then I'll think about getting a ham license. Until then I'm just a responsible and legal CBer. Good for you. I'll stick to freebanding. I have no doubt you will. After all, you have invoked just about every excuse ever used to defend it. I expected more from you on the amp issue, but that's ok -- maybe next time. Anyway, I thank you for yet another opportunity to debunk the standard lineup of lame excuses that freebanders use to violate federal law. If you should ever go legit and get your license, drop me an email and I'll send you plans to build one damn fine amp! No thanks, the internet is full of them. |
"I Am Not George" wrote in message
. .. "Dr.X" wrote "DR. Death" wrote in message ... ... I can count on 1 hand the number of hams that have not slammed me for being a C.B.er. zackly I won't turn my back on a hobby I love and join the ranks of those that feel they were gifted by God with their ham ticket. zackly -Dr.X did they slam you before or after you told them you operated out of band and would never give that up This was without the knowledge of my freebanding activities. |
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:20:36 -0600, "DR. Death"
wrote in : snip Your statement was in opposition to the OP who suggested that the sale of illegal equipment should be curbed. To me that sounds like you are defending the sale of those items. Your opinion, but NOT what I said. So you -weren't- defending the sale of illegal equipment? snip I don't know if where you live is anything like the Rockies or the Cascades, but you don't have to walk far to find a spot that will work even with a handheld cellphone. In the deep woods, CB seems to be more reliable than cellphones anyway -- you can usually raise a logging camp or ranger post no matter where you are. But if you plan to go into such remote places where normal services don't work, it's your responsibility to anticipate an emergency and provide for legal communications. In a perfect world, yes. But I guess you carry every part that fits your vehicle when you leave the house. ....huh? The law isn't perfect and neither are people. But that's not a valid excuse to violate the law. Yet you go one step further and justify the expense and effort of illegal operation as a forethought towards an emergency situation. Well, if emergency communications is important enough to demand that much thought and effort, What thought and effort or expense? Thought? No cell service I'll pick up the mike. Effort? Look at cell phone then turn knob on and key mike. Expense? I already own the equipment, some of it is over 15 years old. Your putting too much thought and effort into trolling me for an arguement. Ok, so you have an excuse for every point except one: there are places that an amped CB won't get out. But I don't suppose you go to those places, do you? illegal operation is probably the -worst- choice. As I stated before, there are other methods that are both better and legal, and not suprisingly enough they require less effort and expense than illegal operation. Add to that the practical uselessness of the freeband as an emergency communications channel -- it's no better than CB in that communication with emergency services is, at best, a bucket-brigade. I never stated I used the freeband for emergancy use. You never said you didn't. Now we know what you did and didn't say. I use the freeband for DXing. I use channel 10 to raise the locals for an emergancy. Can you not read or are you seeing things that are not there. You are clearly confused. You -did- say that you justify the amp for the possibility of an emergency. Doesn't matter, the point applies to the legal 40 as well as the freeband, amp or not -- there is no direct contact with emergency services. CB requires that someone is actually listening, is willing to help (and not planning to take advantage of an emergency situation), and has the means to relay your comm or directly contact emergency services. You can't deny the fact that it's much easier and better to directly contact the emergency services yourself. You can get direct comm to emergency services using satellite and cell phones, and even using ham radio via skip or satellite. This saves not only time (which can be critical in an emergency situation), but also prevents the miscommunication that usually accompanies "human repeaters" (you played that 'pass-the-message' game in grade school, didn't you?). No, it saves time by raising the locals who can make a quick phone call for me. Using your method of ham skip is outright stupid. You knock skip and ignore the other possibilities. Sat comm is, without a doubt, the best method of radio communication as far as coverage is concerned. Contrary to your delusion, I was a good student. No I did not pass notes. My reference was to a game that's played by the class: Everyone sits in a circle and one person is given a message. He passes that message to the next person by whispering it in his ear. The message is passed around the circle in the same manner. When it finally gets back to the original person, the message is usually so distorted that it has nothing at all to do with the original message (and sometimes it doesn't make any sense at all!). You never did that? Anyway, that's the problem with bucket-brigade communication. snip On the contrary, it is -you- that is making excuses to run illegally. If you are in a radio dead-zone then how does your signal get out at all? It won't. You stated it was a dead zone, not me. I stated that there was no cell service. How many times do I need to repeat this before you grasp the concept? You stated that, where there is no cell-phone coverage, you need an amp to get out. You also stated that there was too much noise to run legal power. So my question was where all this noise is coming from. If it isn't a radio dead-zone then that would explain the QRM. But what you -haven't- explained is why such a remote location has all that noise. After all, if there are that many people in the area there is bound to be cell-phone coverage, too. The only way you can be in a cell-phone coverage area and not have service is if you are in a radio dead-zone. And if that's the case, you shouldn't be getting all this QRM. IOW, you are making excuses using improbable situations. I live in Spokane, WA. I have worked with a couple logging companies in both the Cascades and Rockies (which is why I mentioned those two mountain ranges previously). You can bet that there are places where comm sucks. There are large areas where there is no cell phone coverage, at least not officially. But at those altitudes, all you need to do is climb up to a peak with a 3-watt phone and you can easily hit a cell tower 50 miles away. If you don't believe me, take note of a recent incident on Mt. Rainier where a climber was rescued after contacting a hunter 40 miles away with his FRS. And if you are in a canyon or deep valley, it doesn't matter how much power you run, there's nothing you can do on radio unless you have VLF or satellite. Funny how I can still get out on CB but not a cell. Your "nothing you can do" theory doesn't wash. Maybe it would help if you described this "location" a bit better. Like, what part of the country are you talking about? And why is it so difficult to hike up the hill to get LOS to a cell tower? snip It's not hard to get a license. It's been done by hundreds of thousands -- maybe millions -- of people around the world. I never stated that it was hard. I never stated you did. Yes you did. Quote " It's not hard to get a license. It's been done by hundreds of thousands -- maybe millions -- of people around the world." Maybe you should read what you post. Maybe you should learn to read. I'll repeat myself with a bit more clarity: I never stated that you claimed getting a license was hard. snip In case you hadn't noticed, the ham bands have much more spectrum and MUCH better DX conditions. Seems to me that ham DX would be much easier than freebanding. Even easier to pick up the phone and call, but where is the fun or challange in that? So you freeband for the fun and challenge of it? You think that you can't be challenged working DX on the ham bands? Or that it can't be fun? And isn't it -more- of a challenge to work DX on the legal 40? With legal power? After all, that was your reason for working the freeband, right? Or is that -too- much of a challenge? Damn, dude, you flip-flop almost as much as Bush claimed Kerry flip-flopped! Now if you are looking for a -real- challenge, try the LOWFER band. You can wave the illegal flag all you want, I will still use the freeband. That pretty much sums up your argument -- you'll do it because you want to. No valid reasons, no legal justification, and no regard for better alternatives. It all boils down to the fact that you want the benefits without the license. Am I wrong? If I am then at least provide a -legitimate- reason for violating the law because your other excuses are bogus. This wasn't about legal justification, I merely pointed out that you can be responsible about it. And you are wrong. You can choose to -believe- that you are right but intentionally breaking the law is still irresponsible. In fact, that's pretty much the definition of lawbreaking. So unless you can provide a legal justification for breaking the law, this conversation is over. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
... On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:20:36 -0600, "DR. Death" wrote in : snip Your statement was in opposition to the OP who suggested that the sale of illegal equipment should be curbed. To me that sounds like you are defending the sale of those items. Your opinion, but NOT what I said. So you -weren't- defending the sale of illegal equipment? No, I don't care if illegal equipment is sold or not. My original post was to point out that amps don't cause people to act as fools on CB, fools are fools regardless of the equipment. I don't own an export radio and could care less about them. I prefer my old Cobra 148 to any export on the market today. snip I don't know if where you live is anything like the Rockies or the Cascades, but you don't have to walk far to find a spot that will work even with a handheld cellphone. In the deep woods, CB seems to be more reliable than cellphones anyway -- you can usually raise a logging camp or ranger post no matter where you are. But if you plan to go into such remote places where normal services don't work, it's your responsibility to anticipate an emergency and provide for legal communications. In a perfect world, yes. But I guess you carry every part that fits your vehicle when you leave the house. ....huh? The law isn't perfect and neither are people. But that's not a valid excuse to violate the law. Yet you go one step further and justify the expense and effort of illegal operation as a forethought towards an emergency situation. Well, if emergency communications is important enough to demand that much thought and effort, What thought and effort or expense? Thought? No cell service I'll pick up the mike. Effort? Look at cell phone then turn knob on and key mike. Expense? I already own the equipment, some of it is over 15 years old. Your putting too much thought and effort into trolling me for an arguement. Ok, so you have an excuse for every point except one: there are places that an amped CB won't get out. But I don't suppose you go to those places, do you? Never said that, there are places that I can't get out even with an amp. At this point I walk until I get cell service or thumb a ride. illegal operation is probably the -worst- choice. As I stated before, there are other methods that are both better and legal, and not suprisingly enough they require less effort and expense than illegal operation. Add to that the practical uselessness of the freeband as an emergency communications channel -- it's no better than CB in that communication with emergency services is, at best, a bucket-brigade. I never stated I used the freeband for emergancy use. You never said you didn't. Now we know what you did and didn't say. Glad I could clarify that point. I use the freeband for DXing. I use channel 10 to raise the locals for an emergancy. Can you not read or are you seeing things that are not there. You are clearly confused. You -did- say that you justify the amp for the possibility of an emergency. Doesn't matter, the point applies to the legal 40 as well as the freeband, amp or not -- there is no direct contact with emergency services. CB requires that someone is actually listening, is willing to help (and not planning to take advantage of an emergency situation), and has the means to relay your comm or directly contact emergency services. You can't deny the fact that it's much easier and better to directly contact the emergency services yourself. There is usually someone on channel 10 that I can raise, but it's not always a given. I prefer to use my cell, if not possible then the CB is my next choice. Yes it is easier to contact emergency services in some cases, in other cases it is not. Each situation is differant. It's not a perfect world. You can get direct comm to emergency services using satellite and cell phones, and even using ham radio via skip or satellite. This saves not only time (which can be critical in an emergency situation), but also prevents the miscommunication that usually accompanies "human repeaters" (you played that 'pass-the-message' game in grade school, didn't you?). No, it saves time by raising the locals who can make a quick phone call for me. Using your method of ham skip is outright stupid. You knock skip and ignore the other possibilities. Sat comm is, without a doubt, the best method of radio communication as far as coverage is concerned. I have never explored the possibility of a satt phone before. I know that owning them is expensive. I was unaware that you could rent one for a weekend. I will have to check local availability on that one. Contrary to your delusion, I was a good student. No I did not pass notes. My reference was to a game that's played by the class: Everyone sits in a circle and one person is given a message. He passes that message to the next person by whispering it in his ear. The message is passed around the circle in the same manner. When it finally gets back to the original person, the message is usually so distorted that it has nothing at all to do with the original message (and sometimes it doesn't make any sense at all!). You never did that? Anyway, that's the problem with bucket-brigade communication. I misunderstood that comment. I thought you ment passing notes as in 'Sally likes you, do you like her". Now that you pointed this out I see now why this thread has lasted as long as it has. snip On the contrary, it is -you- that is making excuses to run illegally. If you are in a radio dead-zone then how does your signal get out at all? It won't. You stated it was a dead zone, not me. I stated that there was no cell service. How many times do I need to repeat this before you grasp the concept? You stated that, where there is no cell-phone coverage, you need an amp to get out. You also stated that there was too much noise to run legal power. So my question was where all this noise is coming from. If it isn't a radio dead-zone then that would explain the QRM. But what you -haven't- explained is why such a remote location has all that noise. After all, if there are that many people in the area there is bound to be cell-phone coverage, too. The only way you can be in a cell-phone coverage area and not have service is if you are in a radio dead-zone. And if that's the case, you shouldn't be getting all this QRM. IOW, you are making excuses using improbable situations. I meant noise on their end, the people in town. I can hear fine, but when you have a dozen locals talking and I'm 10 miles out they can not hear me sometimes on channel 9 or 10 due to noise level or bleed over . I live in Spokane, WA. I have worked with a couple logging companies in both the Cascades and Rockies (which is why I mentioned those two mountain ranges previously). You can bet that there are places where comm sucks. There are large areas where there is no cell phone coverage, at least not officially. But at those altitudes, all you need to do is climb up to a peak with a 3-watt phone and you can easily hit a cell tower 50 miles away. If you don't believe me, take note of a recent incident on Mt. Rainier where a climber was rescued after contacting a hunter 40 miles away with his FRS. And if you are in a canyon or deep valley, it doesn't matter how much power you run, there's nothing you can do on radio unless you have VLF or satellite. Funny how I can still get out on CB but not a cell. Your "nothing you can do" theory doesn't wash. Maybe it would help if you described this "location" a bit better. Like, what part of the country are you talking about? And why is it so difficult to hike up the hill to get LOS to a cell tower? Cell service is spotty around here, they are still adding towers. Hopefully this won't be a problem in the future. Let me also add that when I bought my house 8 years ago SBC tried to deny me a private line and wanted to stick me with a 4 party line with limited calling. At this time I cannot get DSL and it looks as if it may be a long time before I do. snip It's not hard to get a license. It's been done by hundreds of thousands -- maybe millions -- of people around the world. I never stated that it was hard. I never stated you did. Yes you did. Quote " It's not hard to get a license. It's been done by hundreds of thousands -- maybe millions -- of people around the world." Maybe you should read what you post. Maybe you should learn to read. I'll repeat myself with a bit more clarity: I never stated that you claimed getting a license was hard. I will concede that point as it goes back to your pass the note theory. snip In case you hadn't noticed, the ham bands have much more spectrum and MUCH better DX conditions. Seems to me that ham DX would be much easier than freebanding. Even easier to pick up the phone and call, but where is the fun or challange in that? So you freeband for the fun and challenge of it? You think that you can't be challenged working DX on the ham bands? Or that it can't be fun? And isn't it -more- of a challenge to work DX on the legal 40? With legal power? After all, that was your reason for working the freeband, right? Or is that -too- much of a challenge? Damn, dude, you flip-flop almost as much as Bush claimed Kerry flip-flopped! I like to work DX on SSB and have already tackled that point in a previous post. Now if you are looking for a -real- challenge, try the LOWFER band. You can wave the illegal flag all you want, I will still use the freeband. That pretty much sums up your argument -- you'll do it because you want to. No valid reasons, no legal justification, and no regard for better alternatives. It all boils down to the fact that you want the benefits without the license. Am I wrong? If I am then at least provide a -legitimate- reason for violating the law because your other excuses are bogus. This wasn't about legal justification, I merely pointed out that you can be responsible about it. And you are wrong. You can choose to -believe- that you are right but intentionally breaking the law is still irresponsible. In fact, that's pretty much the definition of lawbreaking. So unless you can provide a legal justification for breaking the law, this conversation is over. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
On 17 Dec 2004 11:59:44 -0800, "HarryHydro"
wrote in .com: snip Hi Guys! I have a transmitter running on (about) 180kc. It's transmitting Morse. I programmed a PIC processor 12C509. It's going all the time, but it doesn't have a good antenna yet, or a good ground, which is VERY important. If you're around central Jersey, maybe you can hear it! Harry Forget the ground and try this instead: http://www.icehouse.net/wirenut/lf_coax.gif http://www.icehouse.net/wirenut/rad04.txt Post your beacon code and I'll listen for it as soon as the snow falls. -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- |
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