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Frank Gilliland January 12th 05 09:06 PM

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:43:33 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:51:39 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:52:58 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :

snip

BTW, there are apparently 1800 overvotes in King County, which makes a
legitimate case for contesting the election.


This is all you have to write. If there is sufficient evidence of
fraud then there should be changes made ana new election conducted,
with stricter oversight to prevent the same thing from happening
again.



If there is sufficient evidence of fraud (and at this point that
appears to be the case) then there -should- be changes made. But as
far as a new election, why bother when Rossi doesn't even want the
job?


Now I could support his case except if that was the only issue. But
it's not. One problem I have is when Rossi made his 'non-concession'
speech he claimed that he didn't want or need the job. So I don't see
the point for the state to spend millions of dollars so Rossi can get
another chance at a job he doesn't even want.

Also, Gregoire has conducted herself professionally; during the hand
recount she stated publically that she would accept the result
regardless of the victor.

OTOH, after the hand recount Rossi has been making an ass of himself
just like Gore did in 2000. Even worse -- when he was in the lead by a
mere 42 votes he held a victory party, took a Carribean cruise, then
came back and announced his transistion team -- without a single
complaint about the legitimacy of the results. Now that he's losing by
a slightly larger margin, legitimacy is his primary reason for
demanding a second election. And when Gregoire went to court to get
legitimate votes counted, Rossi whined that the election should not be
decided by the courts, yet that's exactly what he's trying to do now
and for the very same reason.

So circumstances are a little different here than in Ohio. I'll fully
support voting reform in this state, but I won't support a hypocrite
governor. Hell, even Kerry had the decency to stand down in order to
preserve the integrity of the office and his party -- Rossi is just
being a crybaby a-la Gore.


It sounds like you are letting your personal feeling WRT Rossi cloud
your objective conclusion that the vote was tainted. It is irrelevant
how any one candidate behaved. What is relevant is that there is a
good chance that the person who "won" the election, may not have been
the people's true choice. We won't know that unless those
discrepancies are resolved.



If that's the case then Gore should be in office, not Bush. And while
I may not like Bush, I -really- don't like the idea of Gore taking the
helm after watching his tantrums during the 2000 election. Same deal
with Rossi. And yes, that's just my opinion.




Dave Hall January 13th 05 12:09 PM

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:06:43 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:43:33 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:51:39 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:52:58 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :

snip

BTW, there are apparently 1800 overvotes in King County, which makes a
legitimate case for contesting the election.


This is all you have to write. If there is sufficient evidence of
fraud then there should be changes made ana new election conducted,
with stricter oversight to prevent the same thing from happening
again.



If there is sufficient evidence of fraud (and at this point that
appears to be the case) then there -should- be changes made. But as
far as a new election, why bother when Rossi doesn't even want the
job?


Are you sure his statement that "he doesn't want the job" was not
simply an effort (albeit a feeble one) to project the air that he was
not as interested as he truly was/is?


Now I could support his case except if that was the only issue. But
it's not. One problem I have is when Rossi made his 'non-concession'
speech he claimed that he didn't want or need the job. So I don't see
the point for the state to spend millions of dollars so Rossi can get
another chance at a job he doesn't even want.

Also, Gregoire has conducted herself professionally; during the hand
recount she stated publically that she would accept the result
regardless of the victor.

OTOH, after the hand recount Rossi has been making an ass of himself
just like Gore did in 2000. Even worse -- when he was in the lead by a
mere 42 votes he held a victory party, took a Carribean cruise, then
came back and announced his transistion team -- without a single
complaint about the legitimacy of the results. Now that he's losing by
a slightly larger margin, legitimacy is his primary reason for
demanding a second election. And when Gregoire went to court to get
legitimate votes counted, Rossi whined that the election should not be
decided by the courts, yet that's exactly what he's trying to do now
and for the very same reason.

So circumstances are a little different here than in Ohio. I'll fully
support voting reform in this state, but I won't support a hypocrite
governor. Hell, even Kerry had the decency to stand down in order to
preserve the integrity of the office and his party -- Rossi is just
being a crybaby a-la Gore.


It sounds like you are letting your personal feeling WRT Rossi cloud
your objective conclusion that the vote was tainted. It is irrelevant
how any one candidate behaved. What is relevant is that there is a
good chance that the person who "won" the election, may not have been
the people's true choice. We won't know that unless those
discrepancies are resolved.



If that's the case then Gore should be in office, not Bush.


How do you figure? Bush won all the recounts, both official and
unofficial.

And while
I may not like Bush, I -really- don't like the idea of Gore taking the
helm after watching his tantrums during the 2000 election. Same deal
with Rossi. And yes, that's just my opinion.


I can respect that. But if you are truly interested in reducing or
eliminating fraud, you should be demanding further investigation and a
new election, on principle alone.

Dave
"Sandbagger"


Frank Gilliland January 13th 05 01:02 PM

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:09:16 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:06:43 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:43:33 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:51:39 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:52:58 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in :

snip

BTW, there are apparently 1800 overvotes in King County, which makes a
legitimate case for contesting the election.

This is all you have to write. If there is sufficient evidence of
fraud then there should be changes made ana new election conducted,
with stricter oversight to prevent the same thing from happening
again.



If there is sufficient evidence of fraud (and at this point that
appears to be the case) then there -should- be changes made. But as
far as a new election, why bother when Rossi doesn't even want the
job?


Are you sure his statement that "he doesn't want the job" was not
simply an effort (albeit a feeble one) to project the air that he was
not as interested as he truly was/is?



Even worse -- if he -does- want the job then he was lying to the
public when he said he didn't.


Now I could support his case except if that was the only issue. But
it's not. One problem I have is when Rossi made his 'non-concession'
speech he claimed that he didn't want or need the job. So I don't see
the point for the state to spend millions of dollars so Rossi can get
another chance at a job he doesn't even want.

Also, Gregoire has conducted herself professionally; during the hand
recount she stated publically that she would accept the result
regardless of the victor.

OTOH, after the hand recount Rossi has been making an ass of himself
just like Gore did in 2000. Even worse -- when he was in the lead by a
mere 42 votes he held a victory party, took a Carribean cruise, then
came back and announced his transistion team -- without a single
complaint about the legitimacy of the results. Now that he's losing by
a slightly larger margin, legitimacy is his primary reason for
demanding a second election. And when Gregoire went to court to get
legitimate votes counted, Rossi whined that the election should not be
decided by the courts, yet that's exactly what he's trying to do now
and for the very same reason.

So circumstances are a little different here than in Ohio. I'll fully
support voting reform in this state, but I won't support a hypocrite
governor. Hell, even Kerry had the decency to stand down in order to
preserve the integrity of the office and his party -- Rossi is just
being a crybaby a-la Gore.

It sounds like you are letting your personal feeling WRT Rossi cloud
your objective conclusion that the vote was tainted. It is irrelevant
how any one candidate behaved. What is relevant is that there is a
good chance that the person who "won" the election, may not have been
the people's true choice. We won't know that unless those
discrepancies are resolved.



If that's the case then Gore should be in office, not Bush.


How do you figure? Bush won all the recounts, both official and
unofficial.



I don't think so, Dave. You'll have to hit Twisty up for the facts
about that considering it was his state, not mine.


And while
I may not like Bush, I -really- don't like the idea of Gore taking the
helm after watching his tantrums during the 2000 election. Same deal
with Rossi. And yes, that's just my opinion.


I can respect that. But if you are truly interested in reducing or
eliminating fraud, you should be demanding further investigation and a
new election, on principle alone.



In Gregoire's speech yesterday (swearing-in ceremony), the first topic
she raised was the election. She has already set up an independent
panel to investigate the election process and it's faults, and their
report is to be used as the foundation for statewide election reform.
By the time she finished her speech she had broken the ranks of the
Republicans (who began the ceremony holding a childish demonstration
of passive-agression) and many were applauding her plans. If she
succeeds in the next few years I wouldn't be suprised to see her make
a run for the White House -- and win.





Twistedhed January 13th 05 02:43 PM

N#CVJ wrote:
Uh... Nooooo. Splatter is the result of a dirty


transmitter,


Bleed,,splatter,,,,you're wrong, ya' know..a dirty transmitter is but
ONE example.............once again you incorrectly claimed that skip
does not affect splatter, when it most certainly does.


Twistedhed January 13th 05 05:03 PM

Lancer wrote:
OK, but I agreed with that. I said that DX helps the splatter by this:
If he's in Florida talking on a bone stock radio, I won't hear him in
Los Angeles. Now, if he decides to fire up an amp, I still won't hear
him in LA.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Now skip rolls in, I can here him without an amp
and with an amp, but on the adjacent channel, where the noise was zero,
I now have a ton of signals, so the skip didn't help those signals
"bounce into" LA? of course it did. Now the adjacent channel has more
"splatter" than before, skip didn't help enhance the noise level on my
end?
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0La ndshark

Ok, skip increased his signal that you hear.



Exactly,,it "affected it", which is exactly what I and Shark maintained,
to which some took issue with.


and skip also increased his splatter that you


hear.



Again,,,another example of skip affecting the splatter, Touche.


But


The relation between his signal and his


splatter doesn't change.



Skip affects splatter.


Dave Hall January 13th 05 06:35 PM

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:43:23 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

N#CVJ wrote:
Uh... Nooooo. Splatter is the result of a dirty


transmitter,


Bleed,,splatter,,,,you're wrong, ya' know..a dirty transmitter is but
ONE example.............once again you incorrectly claimed that skip
does not affect splatter, when it most certainly does.


It does not affect the amount of splatter a single signal has on it.

You really should stick to what it is you're actually good at
(Chumming perhaps?) and leave the discussion of RF theory to those of
us who DO know what we're talking about.

Dave
"Sandbagger"


Lancer January 13th 05 06:39 PM

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:03:43 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

Lancer wrote:
OK, but I agreed with that. I said that DX helps the splatter by this:
If he's in Florida talking on a bone stock radio, I won't hear him in
Los Angeles. Now, if he decides to fire up an amp, I still won't hear
him in LA.
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Now skip rolls in, I can here him without an amp
and with an amp, but on the adjacent channel, where the noise was zero,
I now have a ton of signals, so the skip didn't help those signals
"bounce into" LA? of course it did. Now the adjacent channel has more
"splatter" than before, skip didn't help enhance the noise level on my
end?
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Landshark

Ok, skip increased his signal that you hear.



Exactly,,it "affected it", which is exactly what I and Shark maintained,
to which some took issue with.


and skip also increased his splatter that you


hear.



Again,,,another example of skip affecting the splatter, Touche.


Quit clipping my posts apart to fit your needs. I was trying to point
out to Shark that skip will progate the original signal and the
splatter equally.


But


The relation between his signal and his


splatter doesn't change.



Skip affects splatter.


No more than the original part of his signal...

Do you think that skip effects the splatter component of his signal
more that the desirable part of his signal?

and it does not effect the realtionship between the two.

If the splatter components are at a 10% level compared to the level of
his signal, then with skip they will still be at that level.

Touche...


Dave Hall January 14th 05 01:17 PM

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:39:07 GMT, Lancer wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:03:43 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

Lancer wrote:
OK, but I agreed with that. I said that DX helps the splatter by this:
If he's in Florida talking on a bone stock radio, I won't hear him in
Los Angeles. Now, if he decides to fire up an amp, I still won't hear
him in LA.
********Now skip rolls in, I can here him without an amp
and with an amp, but on the adjacent channel, where the noise was zero,
I now have a ton of signals, so the skip didn't help those signals
"bounce into" LA? of course it did. Now the adjacent channel has more
"splatter" than before, skip didn't help enhance the noise level on my
end?
****************Landshark

Ok, skip increased his signal that you hear.



Exactly,,it "affected it", which is exactly what I and Shark maintained,
to which some took issue with.


and skip also increased his splatter that you


hear.



Again,,,another example of skip affecting the splatter, Touche.


Quit clipping my posts apart to fit your needs.


That's exactly what he does. He destroys the original context to make
it look like you said something that you didn't.

He's either a clever troll or a someone who is totally devoid of
comprehension abilities.


I was trying to point
out to Shark that skip will progate the original signal and the
splatter equally.


Anyone with average intelligence understands this. But I guess some
seem to need the exact literal finite details colored in or they grasp
the wrong meaning.


But


The relation between his signal and his


splatter doesn't change.



Skip affects splatter.


No more than the original part of his signal...

Do you think that skip effects the splatter component of his signal
more that the desirable part of his signal?

and it does not effect the realtionship between the two.


Right! The relationship between the fundamental signal and the
splatter components present will not change with the variation of the
DX conditions. They move together harmoniously.

Dave
"Sandbagger"

Twistedhed January 14th 05 03:42 PM

NCVJ wrote:
Yes, you are correct, the DX enables distant


splatter boxes to be heard in you local area



Twistedhed January 14th 05 03:42 PM

N3CVJ wrote:
Yes, you are correct, the DX enables distant


splatter boxes to be heard in you local area


No one was talking about extra power or illegal power,,try and remain
focused, Davie.


Twistedhed January 14th 05 03:51 PM

N3CVJ wrote:
A small sampling of examples illustrating your cognitive and
interpretive skills:

What do you consider a good price?


What do you consider a great price?


What do you consider lightning protection?


What do consider a bad swr?


What do you consider legal power?


Just what do you consider tolerance?


What do you consider injuy?


What do you consider a channel?


What do you consider work?


What do you consider proper drive?


What do you consider old?


What do you consider a fact?


What do you consider nice?


What do you consider a positive contribution?


Assuming these are quotes of mine (and


considering you recent past penchant for


confusing another's quote for one of mine, it's


probable that they're not),





Its your fault you can't remember your lies and what you posted.

Twist: "Still have the Phelps, Dave?"

N3CVJ: "WHAT Phelps? I wish I HAD a Stationmaster"


Delving into the archives, you made many posts about having a Phelps
Stationmaster only a few short years ago. Now,,any normally educated
hammie in the world would remember his base stations and antennas, even
as a child. The fact that you had no clue what I referred is roof
positive you lie. A pattern here is you rambling incoherent, being shown
you are wrong, often with your own words, and watching you scramble like
a monkey to "explain away" to the world, just what you really meant.


your overly


simplistic and literal translations fail to account
for the reality that those questions are all


relative or subjective, depending on the


writer's perspective and point of reference. But
I'd guess those concepts are beyond your


reasoning ability.


Dave


"Sandbagger"


N3CVJ


To be fair, your guesses are steeped in ignorance and the refusal to
learn.
Whether your difficulties originate with confusion concerning subjective
or "relative", no one else on the group shares such a dilemma of not
grasping what everyone else means.
Only you seem to suffer with interpretive skills when others use
simplistic terms.
After all, only you express great difficulty interpreting each writer's
perspective, which is why you have to ask everyone what they mean when
they use extremely simplistic terms...your interpretive and
communicative skills are shot and not one other person in the group
suffers from the "reasoning ability" you invoke responsible for your
behavior not comprehending all the writers "perspective" and "point of
reference". Everyone else understands what everyone else means with such
simple terms as ilustrated above..only you have the underlying issues.


Twistedhed January 14th 05 03:57 PM

From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:43:23 -0500,
(Twistedhed)
wrote:
N#CVJ wrote:
Uh... Nooooo. Splatter is the result of a dirty


transmitter,

Bleed,,splatter,,,,you're wrong, ya' know..a dirty transmitter is but
ONE example.............once again you incorrectly claimed that skip
does not affect splatter, when it most certainly does.

It does not affect the amount of splatter a


single signal has on it.



Skip affects splatter in he manner that if the skip isn't running, you
won't hear the splatter from a distant station across the country.

You really should stick to what it is you're


actually good at



Shoot, Davie,,I'm excellent at hanging you out to dry,,,your default
mode (making personal insults when you disagree) in your incredible
posting history removes any doubt.


(Chumming perhaps?) and leave the


discussion of RF theory to those of us who DO
know what we're talking about.


Dave


"Sandbagger"


N3CVJ


Which would be fine, except your self-professed knowledge has proved
just the opposite. You are an extra class hammie who maintains roger
beeps are illegal and that doing over 70 mph makes one a federal
criminal, illustrating you have no freakin' clue *what* you talk about,
but that never stops you from sticking your foot in your mouth and
telegraphing such learned ignorance.


Twistedhed January 14th 05 04:06 PM

From: (Lancer)
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:03:43 -0500,
(Twistedhed)
wrote:
Lancer wrote:
OK, but I agreed with that. I said that DX helps the splatter by this:
If he's in Florida talking on a bone stock radio, I won't hear him in
Los Angeles. Now, if he decides to fire up an amp, I still won't hear
him in LA.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0No w skip rolls in, I can
here him without an amp and with an amp, but on the adjacent channel,
where the noise was zero, I now have a ton of signals, so the skip
didn't help those signals "bounce into" LA? of course it did. Now the
adjacent channel has more "splatter" than before, skip didn't help
enhance the noise level on my end?
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C 2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Landshark
Ok, skip increased his signal that you hear.
Exactly,,it "affected it", which is exactly what I and Shark maintained,
to which some took issue with.
_
and skip also increased his splatter that you
hear.
_
Again,,,another example of skip affecting the splatter, Touche.

Quit clipping my posts apart to fit your needs.



Deal,,,IF you quit attempting to qualify exactly what I said by adding
components and additional words when I never said anything of the sort,
I'll stop snipping your posted parts that don't apply to anything I
said.

I was trying to point out to Shark that skip will


progate the original signal and the splatter


equally.


But


The relation between his signal and his


splatter doesn't change.


Skip affects splatter.

No more than the original part of his signal...



Skip affects splatter.

Do you think that skip effects the splatter


component of his signal more that the


desirable part of his signal?


And it does not effect the realtionship between
the two.


The mere acknolwedgement of an existing relationship between skip and
splatter is proof positive once again of the ONLY thing I
said,,,,,,,,"Skip affects splatter".


If the splatter components are at a 10% level


compared to the level of his signal, then with


skip they will still be at that level.


Touche...



You can make all the comments you want about what you want and
clarifications, as they sure as hell don't apply to anything I said,,I
emntioned nothing abotu levels, relationships, splatter boxes, etc,,,
Now,,,once again,,, here is the bottom line from your post...

Ok, skip increased his signal that you hear.


and skip also increased his splatter that you


hear.


,,let's see that again,,, just to make absolutely certain you aer saying
what I said originally..

skip increased his signal that you hear,,,


and lastly,,


and skip also increases his splatter that you


hear.


What's the problem? Adding additional clarifications like
"relationship", "splatter boxes",etc...has nothing to do with my
original statement or its context,,,the words were not mine. All I said
is exactly what you repeated above, Trying to invoke terms like
"relationship" *after* the fact when I NEVER mentioned such terms,
changes the dynamics and context of what I claimed,,,,the exact same
thing you claimed above.


Twistedhed January 14th 05 04:17 PM

Lancer wrote:
I don't quite understand why this is so hard for


him to understand.


Im not the having the difficulties you imagine,,you expressed that by
introducing new terms and concepts to what I said with each post you
made,,,,first you invoked that the "relationship " doesn't change,,,I
never said it did,,yet, you are attempting to qualify what I said with
words I never used.
Again,,your mere acknowledgement that such a relationship exists
(between skip and splatter) confirms exactly what I originally said,
void of the terms you and Davie tried invoking.

If you have a station with a certain amount of


splatter on it. Move it a 1,000 miles away, you


can now hear him with skip.



If the station was local and you move it 1000 miles away and the skip
ain't running, you will hear nothing. Note that you are now resorting to
hypothetical situations with the word "if" and I used your example only
because you mentioned it.
Try this: The original disagreement was nothing of what you now are
speaking. Davie said skip had no affect on splatter, so this not only
automatically discounts any local splatter or bleed in the context of
the discussion, but you acknowledged a direct relationship between skip
and splatter, regardless how you wish to define it.


The components of his signal haven't


changed. Add another 100 stations with


splatter, and his original components of his


signal still haven't changed..






Im not the having difficulties,,you expressed that by introducing new
terms and concepts to what I said with each post you made,,,,first you
said the "relationship doesn't change",,,I never said it did,,,you're
beginning to enter terms I never used, and take issue with them
yourself..first it was how the "relationship" betweent the two didn't
change, now it's "components". How bizarre.


Twistedhed January 14th 05 04:28 PM

From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:39:07 GMT, Lancer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:03:43 -0500,
(Twistedhed)
wrote:
Lancer wrote:
OK, but I agreed with that. I said that DX helps the splatter by this:
If he's in Florida talking on a bone stock radio, I won't hear him in
Los Angeles. Now, if he decides to fire up an amp, I still won't hear
him in LA.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Now skip rolls in, I can here him without an amp
and with an amp, but on the adjacent channel, where the noise was zero,
I now have a ton of signals, so the skip didn't help those signals
"bounce into" LA? of course it did. Now the adjacent channel has more
"splatter" than before, skip didn't help enhance the noise level on my
end?
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0La ndshark

Ok, skip increased his signal that you hear.


Exactly,,it "affected it", which is exactly what I and Shark maintained,
to which some took issue with.

and skip also increased his splatter that you


hear.


Again,,,another example of skip affecting the splatter, Touche.

Quit clipping my posts apart to fit your needs.


(That's exactly what he does. He destroys the

original context to make it look like you said

something that you didn't)



Now now Davie,,,,you are once again permitting your lack of personal
control over your emotions dictate your topics again...your lack of
education conerning communication etiquette and skill always manifests
in your posts when you disagree with someone. You never learned how to
debate and attack the topic or subject,,you attack the
poster.....illustrative of your ignorance.
Just for the record, he most certainly ackowldged the realtionship
between skip and splatter.

He's either a clever troll or a someone who is


totally devoid of comprehension abilities.



LOL,,you are the one needing to ask everyone else what they mean when
they use sixth grade terminology on a repeat and ongoing basis.

(I was trying to point

out to Shark that skip will progate the original

signal and the splatter equally.)


Funny,,,,here you are trying to make a point that you apparently think
Shark took issue with,,,,he didn;t,,and neither did I.

Anyone with average intelligence understands
this. But I guess some seem to need the exact
literal finite details colored in or they grasp the


wrong meaning.




Expressed superbly by the illustration of your posting history littered
with redundant questions of "What did you mean by...".
Only you have this difficulty and your posting history shows such,
Projecting your character flaws onto another won't make it so.

But


The relation between his signal and his


splatter doesn't change.


Skip affects splatter.

(No more than the original part of his signal...

Do you think that skip effects the splatter

component of his signal more that the

desirable part of his signal?

and it does not effect the realtionship between

the two.)

Right! The relationship between the


fundamental signal and the splatter


components present will not change with the


variation of the DX conditions. They move


together harmoniously.



Try and get lucid again, if you can muster the courage, Once again, you
aer talking to yourself. No one made such a claim that splatter changes
dx conditions, which is why you taking issue with yourself is such a
gift.


Dave


"Sandbagger"


N3CVJ



Lancer January 14th 05 04:35 PM

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:06:29 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

From:
(Lancer)
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:03:43 -0500,
(Twistedhed)
wrote:
Lancer wrote:
OK, but I agreed with that. I said that DX helps the splatter by this:
If he's in Florida talking on a bone stock radio, I won't hear him in
Los Angeles. Now, if he decides to fire up an amp, I still won't hear
him in LA.
ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*Now skip rolls in, I can
here him without an amp and with an amp, but on the adjacent channel,
where the noise was zero, I now have a ton of signals, so the skip
didn't help those signals "bounce into" LA? of course it did. Now the
adjacent channel has more "splatter" than before, skip didn't help
enhance the noise level on my end?
ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*à ‚Â*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*Landshark
Ok, skip increased his signal that you hear.
Exactly,,it "affected it", which is exactly what I and Shark maintained,
to which some took issue with.
_
and skip also increased his splatter that you
hear.
_
Again,,,another example of skip affecting the splatter, Touche.

Quit clipping my posts apart to fit your needs.



Deal,,,IF you quit attempting to qualify exactly what I said by adding
components and additional words when I never said anything of the sort,
I'll stop snipping your posted parts that don't apply to anything I
said.

I was trying to point out to Shark that skip will


progate the original signal and the splatter


equally.


But


The relation between his signal and his


splatter doesn't change.


Skip affects splatter.

No more than the original part of his signal...



Skip affects splatter.

Do you think that skip effects the splatter


component of his signal more that the


desirable part of his signal?


And it does not effect the realtionship between
the two.


The mere acknolwedgement of an existing relationship between skip and
splatter is proof positive once again of the ONLY thing I
said,,,,,,,,"Skip affects splatter".


If the splatter components are at a 10% level


compared to the level of his signal, then with


skip they will still be at that level.


Touche...



You can make all the comments you want about what you want and
clarifications, as they sure as hell don't apply to anything I said,,I
emntioned nothing abotu levels, relationships, splatter boxes, etc,,,
Now,,,once again,,, here is the bottom line from your post...

Ok, skip increased his signal that you hear.


and skip also increased his splatter that you


hear.


,,let's see that again,,, just to make absolutely certain you aer saying
what I said originally..

skip increased his signal that you hear,,,


and lastly,,


and skip also increases his splatter that you


hear.


What's the problem? Adding additional clarifications like
"relationship", "splatter boxes",etc...has nothing to do with my
original statement or its context,,,the words were not mine. All I said
is exactly what you repeated above, Trying to invoke terms like
"relationship" *after* the fact when I NEVER mentioned such terms,
changes the dynamics and context of what I claimed,,,,the exact same
thing you claimed above.


Forget it Twist, all you want to do is make damn sure that Dave never
proves you wrong. If you want to keep twisting stuff around to make
yourself look better, feel free. But ya know what? Dave proved you
wrong this time.

Have a nice day...

Steveo January 14th 05 04:43 PM

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WTF is that, Twist!? :D

Twistedhed January 14th 05 04:47 PM

N3CVJ wrote:
At this point, it's best to just leave it go.


Agreed,,the Phelps issue is haunting you almost as bad as your
self-professed skills and knowledge regarding your status as an extra
that a roger beep is illegal and going over 70 MPH makes one a federal
criminal.

Guys like Landshark, understand what the


topic is and will understand a good


explanation.




That's almost as rich as what follows, as Shark and I said the exact
same thing concerning DX. You arr suffering a great deal on this
aubject.

N3CVJ, in all his self-projecting glory wrote:
Twist, on the other hand, gets


hung up on certain overly literal semantics,



Now that is rich, especially in light of the fact that your posting
history is littered with expressed difficulties getting hung up over
semantics.....

N3CVJ wrote:
What do you consider a good price?


What do you consider a great price?


What do you consider lightning protection?


What do consider a bad swr?


What do you consider legal power?


Just what do you consider tolerance?


What do you consider injury?


What do you consider a channel?


What do you consider work?


What do you consider proper drive?


What do you consider old?


What do you consider a fact?


What do you consider nice?


What do you consider a positive contribution?



Man,,I looove Fridays! Have a great weekend, davie, and try not to
permit me to lord over your thoughts and actions in my absence...unless,
of course, it's to take more of my scholarly posts and have them
interpreted to you by one of these educated colleagues of which you
speak.


Twistedhed January 14th 05 04:59 PM

Lancer wrote:
Forget it Twist, all you want




You say "forget it", but go on to add your 2 cents....

to do is make


damn sure that Dave never proves you wrong.


No such animal. I can care less who posts what. If it's wrong, I will
say so, regardles who it is. Try not letting who posts what cloud your
judgement over *what* is posted.


If you want to keep twisting stuff around to


make yourself look better, feel free.



Only you *and* N3CVJ tried adding words to my claim that were never said
by me...THAT is twisting.

But ya know what? Dave proved you wrong


this time.


Have a nice day...


And that's the beauty of usenet...diagreeing without getting personal.
Try and explain that to the one who "proved wrong" my claim that "Skip
affects splatter". Whether you can admit or not, that was my claim, cut
and dry.



Twistedhed January 14th 05 05:02 PM

From: (Steveo)
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WTF is that, Twist!? :D
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You mean you don't know? Email me,,,webtv is foolproof when quoting
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Dave Hall January 14th 05 05:38 PM

On 14 Jan 2005 16:43:30 GMT, Steveo
wrote:

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WTF is that, Twist!? :D


He's "tagging" posts again........

Dave
"Sandbagger"


Dave Hall January 14th 05 05:41 PM

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:42:55 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

N3CVJ wrote:
Yes, you are correct, the DX enables distant


splatter boxes to be heard in you local area


No one was talking about extra power or illegal power,,


I was. That was the original point of this whole thread.


try and remain
focused, Davie.



You should follow your own advice.

Dave
"Sandbagger"


Dave Hall January 14th 05 05:46 PM

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:47:49 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

N3CVJ wrote:
At this point, it's best to just leave it go.


Agreed,,the Phelps issue is haunting you almost as bad as your
self-professed skills and knowledge regarding your status as an extra
that a roger beep is illegal and going over 70 MPH makes one a federal
criminal.


You brain is short-circuiting again. You're starting to babble....


Guys like Landshark, understand what the
topic is and will understand a good
explanation.


That's almost as rich as what follows, as Shark and I said the exact
same thing concerning DX. You arr suffering a great deal on this
aubject.


No, not exactly. But at least when the proper context was explained.
Lanshark acknowledged such. While you continue to defend and twist
words.


Dave
"Sandbagger"

Dave Hall January 14th 05 05:55 PM

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:51:19 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:


simplistic and literal translations fail to account
for the reality that those questions are all
relative or subjective, depending on the
writer's perspective and point of reference. But
I'd guess those concepts are beyond your
reasoning ability.


To be fair, your guesses are steeped in ignorance and the refusal to
learn.


Quite the contrary, in order for one to learn, one must learn to ask
the proper questions.


Only you seem to suffer with interpretive skills when others use
simplistic terms.


But the difference is, that I ask for clarification as to the specific
point that someone is making, while you assume what they are trying to
say, and are usually wrong.


After all, only you express great difficulty interpreting each writer's
perspective, which is why you have to ask everyone what they mean when
they use extremely simplistic terms


Simplistic does not preclude the sense of subjectivity that the term
may refer.

But you don't understand that. To you everything is black or white.

Dave
"Sandbagger"

Dave Hall January 14th 05 05:58 PM

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:57:17 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:
that doing over 70 mph makes one a federal
criminal,


Not that I care or anything, but to avoid further embarrassment at
once again confusing me with another, I'd suggest you recheck your
obsession with personal searches. I never made that claim.

Dave
"Sandbagger"

Lancer January 14th 05 06:01 PM

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:02:18 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

From:
(Steveo)
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WTF is that, Twist!? :D
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Steveo January 14th 05 06:03 PM

Lancer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:02:18 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

From:
(Steveo)
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WTF is that, Twist!? :D _

ÂÂÂ*ÂÂYou mean you don't know? Email me,,,webtv is foolproof
when quoting certain posters and only certain usenet access services
leave such marks. Call it internet fingerprints.

Like this?

Is  Chinese for Lancer? :)

Lancer January 14th 05 06:05 PM

On 14 Jan 2005 18:03:40 GMT, Steveo
wrote:

Lancer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:02:18 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

From:
(Steveo)
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WTF is that, Twist!? :D _

ÂÂÂÂ*ÂÂYou mean you don't know? Email me,,,webtv is foolproof
when quoting certain posters and only certain usenet access services
leave such marks. Call it internet fingerprints.

Like this?

Is  Chinese for Lancer? :)


Not working today Steve?

Lancer January 14th 05 06:06 PM

On 14 Jan 2005 18:03:40 GMT, Steveo
wrote:

Lancer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:02:18 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

From:
(Steveo)
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WTF is that, Twist!? :D _

ÂÂÂÂ*ÂÂYou mean you don't know? Email me,,,webtv is foolproof
when quoting certain posters and only certain usenet access services
leave such marks. Call it internet fingerprints.

Like this?

Is  Chinese for Lancer? :)


I don't think so, Chinese have all those wacked out characters..

Where one letter means a word..


Steveo January 14th 05 06:11 PM

Lancer wrote:
On 14 Jan 2005 18:03:40 GMT, Steveo
wrote:

Lancer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:02:18 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

From:
(Steveo)
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usenet access services leave such marks. Call it internet
fingerprints.

Like this?

Is  Chinese for Lancer? :)


Not working today Steve?

Working in the office.

Lancer January 14th 05 06:14 PM

On 14 Jan 2005 18:11:33 GMT, Steveo
wrote:

Lancer wrote:
On 14 Jan 2005 18:03:40 GMT, Steveo
wrote:

Lancer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:02:18 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

From:
(Steveo)
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fingerprints.

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Is  Chinese for Lancer? :)


Not working today Steve?

Working in the office.


Bad day for working in the office here, nice and sunny..supposed to
get cold this weekend...

Steveo January 14th 05 06:23 PM

Lancer wrote:
Not working today Steve?

Working in the office.


Bad day for working in the office here, nice and sunny..supposed to
get cold this weekend...

More strange weather up here..67 degrees yesterday 20 today, with a
brisk wind chill..brrrrr Good day to be inside!

Landshark January 15th 05 03:27 PM


"Steveo" wrote in message
...
Lancer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:02:18 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

From:
(Steveo)
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WTF is that, Twist!? :D _

Ãfâ?sÃ, Ãfâ?sÃ,You mean you don't know? Email me,,,webtv is foolproof
when quoting certain posters and only certain usenet access services
leave such marks. Call it internet fingerprints.

Like this?

Is Ãfâ?sÃ, Chinese for Lancer? :)


It's "code" ;) LOL!!

Landshark


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Landshark January 15th 05 03:27 PM


"Steveo" wrote in message
...
Lancer wrote:
Not working today Steve?

Working in the office.


Bad day for working in the office here, nice and sunny..supposed to
get cold this weekend...

More strange weather up here..67 degrees yesterday 20 today, with a
brisk wind chill..brrrrr Good day to be inside!


Finally stopped raining & snowing, but still cold
for this time of the year.

Landshark


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Steveo January 15th 05 03:49 PM

"Landshark" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
More strange weather up here..67 degrees yesterday 20 today, with a
brisk wind chill..brrrrr Good day to be inside!


Finally stopped raining & snowing, but still cold
for this time of the year.

Landshark

Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow! :D

Steveo January 15th 05 03:50 PM

"Landshark" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
...
Lancer wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:02:18 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote:

From:
(Steveo)
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Ãfâ?sÃ, Ãfâ?sÃ,You mean you don't know? Email me,,,webtv is foolproof
when quoting certain posters and only certain usenet access services
leave such marks. Call it internet fingerprints.

Like this?

Is Ãfâ?sÃ, Chinese for Lancer? :)


It's "code" ;) LOL!!

Landshark

Usenet code..what's next!?

Steveo January 15th 05 03:56 PM

Lancer wrote:
On 15 Jan 2005 15:49:54 GMT, Steveo
wrote:

"Landshark" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
More strange weather up here..67 degrees yesterday 20 today, with a
brisk wind chill..brrrrr Good day to be inside!

Finally stopped raining & snowing, but still cold
for this time of the year.

Landshark

Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow! :D


Wish it would do that down here.. I'm tired of looking at a brown
lawn..

Same here, the floods washed all the snow away..

Steveo January 16th 05 10:48 AM

tomz wrote:
What improvements would you like to have done to your CB?
Would you want more range?
Would you want more privacy?
Would you want exclusive use channels?

I WOULD INSTALL A ****** FILTER TO KEEP THE CHIMP-NIGS OFF.


Bush is the AntiChrist!! January 16th 05 02:25 PM

Steveo wrote:

tomz wrote:

What improvements would you like to have done to your CB?
Would you want more range?
Would you want more privacy?
Would you want exclusive use channels?


I WOULD INSTALL A ****** FILTER TO KEEP THE CHIMP-NIGS OFF.


A good start would be for you to stop posting on anything but your
natural newsgroup.

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Landshark January 17th 05 12:26 AM


"Steveo" wrote in message
...
Lancer wrote:
On 15 Jan 2005 15:49:54 GMT, Steveo
wrote:

"Landshark" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
More strange weather up here..67 degrees yesterday 20 today, with a
brisk wind chill..brrrrr Good day to be inside!

Finally stopped raining & snowing, but still cold
for this time of the year.

Landshark

Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow! :D


Wish it would do that down here.. I'm tired of looking at a brown
lawn..

Same here, the floods washed all the snow away..


A little fog this morning, but bright & sunny
in the afternoon. Wife & kids doing yard work, while
I'm getting dinner ready and prepping the hot tub for
this evening.

Landshark


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