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wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote: Yeah, but it's only a partial crock of ****. The rain gutters or wire or whatever are only half the dipole so the house wiring will become the other active half and they will radiate. He grounds his tuner to a ground rod, but also his coax to the radio will tie him in to the service ground of the residence. Why would his coax tie him to the service ground? Radio antenna connector to radio chassis ground. Radio chassis ground to radio power plug. Radio power plug to wall outlet. Wall outlet to service ground. What if he's using a power supply and mobile radio? |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:42:07 GMT, wrote:
I'm not a hater dude, but I *was* right about you running an amp and a keyclown radio i.e. 2510 or a Lincoln. No you weren't. It's pretty well known that a 10 watt output will be slightly better than a 4 watt output. It may be low level keyclowning, but it's keyclowning all the same. Link please. I want to know the requirements for keyclowning. Please provide evidence. This NG supplies all the evidence anyone needs, look at people like steveo and tnom, they are keyclowns, they run out of band and illegal power. Then if it's that simple, stop beating around the bush. Provide the sources. FYI, all I own right now for a base, is a newer 4 watt handheld, and the CB my father gave me in 1983, which can't be modded. And the only reason I have an amp in the car, is because I drive for a living, and drive in and out of mountains, and sometimes can't reach a damn trucker 1/2 mile away. And since I can get all over the world with that amp, there is no reason to get another one. I still dont understand what you feel is wrong with a regular CB base station antenna on your roof. Is it too simple for you? Well, it's damn ugly. I don't care. But my wife and neighbors might give a ****. And since I just don't want to deal with that. Sure but it's going to get really ugly when you go to ham. There will be cables everywhere, all kinds of electronic junk in the house, wires in the trees, plus you will get a really fat stomach, BO, and start complaining about your health on the air. No, I will keep it simple. Most setups I see have tons of equipment that is not even being used. So the only way to get a mulitband ham antenna is a multiband dipole (as far as I know). If I run the coax once into the woods, than I can use it when I go to ham. Then google multiband ham antennas and see that running 150 ft of coax underground is not the way to do it. Not what I heard. I heard that is totally dependent on the frequencies you transmit at. Some will have high loss, some will be negilgible. And this link here, at eham.net, shows many people running even farther runs than I do. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/858 Vinnie S. |
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:29:55 GMT, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote: Yeah, but it's only a partial crock of ****. The rain gutters or wire or whatever are only half the dipole so the house wiring will become the other active half and they will radiate. He grounds his tuner to a ground rod, but also his coax to the radio will tie him in to the service ground of the residence. Why would his coax tie him to the service ground? Radio antenna connector to radio chassis ground. Radio chassis ground to radio power plug. Radio power plug to wall outlet. Wall outlet to service ground. Mobile radio with a power supply. Power supply has a transformer, which isolates it it from direct connection. The PS is an old RS unit which does not have a ground on it's plug. So in essence, you're wrong. Vinnie S. sigh. Look at a schematic sometime. The PS transformer ain't isolating *anything* from ground, dude. |
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:43:16 GMT, "U Know Who" wrote:
You could use a ground mounted vertical. In that case, you'll be all set with the buried coax. I see a tree that should work well. I will take a measure to it. The ground is rather wet there, so I think grounding it there will be ideal. Vinnie S. |
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Sure but it's going to get really ugly when you go to ham. There will be cables everywhere, all kinds of electronic junk in the house, wires in the trees, plus you will get a really fat stomach, BO, and start complaining about your health on the air. Like this: http://n8wwm.4t.com/photo.html hehe |
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:52:09 GMT, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:29:55 GMT, wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote: Yeah, but it's only a partial crock of ****. The rain gutters or wire or whatever are only half the dipole so the house wiring will become the other active half and they will radiate. He grounds his tuner to a ground rod, but also his coax to the radio will tie him in to the service ground of the residence. Why would his coax tie him to the service ground? Radio antenna connector to radio chassis ground. Radio chassis ground to radio power plug. Radio power plug to wall outlet. Wall outlet to service ground. Mobile radio with a power supply. Power supply has a transformer, which isolates it it from direct connection. The PS is an old RS unit which does not have a ground on it's plug. So in essence, you're wrong. Vinnie S. sigh. Look at a schematic sometime. The PS transformer ain't isolating *anything* from ground, dude. Actually, I did that before I posted, to be sure. The transformer is not connected to ground. I will gladly take a picture and email it to you if you want. There is no ground plug on the AC plug. I am not going to get into name calling with you. I will appreciate your help if you try to help me. But if you want to belittle me, then let the others try and help me. Vinnie S. |
wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:29:55 GMT, wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote: Yeah, but it's only a partial crock of ****. The rain gutters or wire or whatever are only half the dipole so the house wiring will become the other active half and they will radiate. He grounds his tuner to a ground rod, but also his coax to the radio will tie him in to the service ground of the residence. Why would his coax tie him to the service ground? Radio antenna connector to radio chassis ground. Radio chassis ground to radio power plug. Radio power plug to wall outlet. Wall outlet to service ground. Mobile radio with a power supply. Power supply has a transformer, which isolates it it from direct connection. The PS is an old RS unit which does not have a ground on it's plug. So in essence, you're wrong. Vinnie S. sigh. Look at a schematic sometime. The PS transformer ain't isolating *anything* from ground, dude. On a 2 wire system, the case has to be isolated. On a 3 wire system, the case is tied to ground, and not the neutral. Can YOU read a schematic? |
On 14 Jan 2005 23:55:15 GMT, Steveo wrote:
wrote: Sure but it's going to get really ugly when you go to ham. There will be cables everywhere, all kinds of electronic junk in the house, wires in the trees, plus you will get a really fat stomach, BO, and start complaining about your health on the air. Like this: http://n8wwm.4t.com/photo.html hehe Who is that? That dude live pretty close to his neighbors. I only have one close neighbor, about 100 feet away. My other neighbors are about 300 or more feet away. BTW moped, do you have my new email? I can email it to you. Vinnie S. |
"Steveo" wrote in message ... wrote: Sure but it's going to get really ugly when you go to ham. There will be cables everywhere, all kinds of electronic junk in the house, wires in the trees, plus you will get a really fat stomach, BO, and start complaining about your health on the air. Like this: http://n8wwm.4t.com/photo.html hehe Nah, that's just plain nasty. |
"Vinnie S." wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:43:16 GMT, "U Know Who" wrote: You could use a ground mounted vertical. In that case, you'll be all set with the buried coax. I see a tree that should work well. I will take a measure to it. The ground is rather wet there, so I think grounding it there will be ideal. Vinnie S. The ground mounted vertical I was talking about would be a multi-band, trapped vertical. |
Vinnie S. wrote:
On 14 Jan 2005 23:55:15 GMT, Steveo wrote: wrote: Sure but it's going to get really ugly when you go to ham. There will be cables everywhere, all kinds of electronic junk in the house, wires in the trees, plus you will get a really fat stomach, BO, and start complaining about your health on the air. Like this: http://n8wwm.4t.com/photo.html hehe Who is that? That dude live pretty close to his neighbors. I only have one close neighbor, about 100 feet away. My other neighbors are about 300 or more feet away. BTW moped, do you have my new email? I can email it to you. Vinnie S. I don't think I do, send it. |
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"Steveo" wrote in message ... wrote: Sure but it's going to get really ugly when you go to ham. There will be cables everywhere, all kinds of electronic junk in the house, wires in the trees, plus you will get a really fat stomach, BO, and start complaining about your health on the air. Like this: http://n8wwm.4t.com/photo.html hehe Nah, that's just plain nasty. Yea..exterme case of fugly. |
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:52:09 GMT, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:29:55 GMT, wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote: Yeah, but it's only a partial crock of ****. The rain gutters or wire or whatever are only half the dipole so the house wiring will become the other active half and they will radiate. He grounds his tuner to a ground rod, but also his coax to the radio will tie him in to the service ground of the residence. Why would his coax tie him to the service ground? Radio antenna connector to radio chassis ground. Radio chassis ground to radio power plug. Radio power plug to wall outlet. Wall outlet to service ground. Mobile radio with a power supply. Power supply has a transformer, which isolates it it from direct connection. The PS is an old RS unit which does not have a ground on it's plug. So in essence, you're wrong. Vinnie S. sigh. Look at a schematic sometime. The PS transformer ain't isolating *anything* from ground, dude. Actually, I did that before I posted, to be sure. The transformer is not connected to ground. I will gladly take a picture and email it to you if you want. There is no ground plug on the AC plug. OK, since your radio is not connected to service ground, stick a fork into one hole of your wall outlet, the hot side. Hang on and grab your radio chassis with the other hand. Let me know how it goes. I am not going to get into name calling with you. I will appreciate your help if you try to help me. But if you want to belittle me, then let the others try and help me. I am trying to save you from wearing size 50 pants, having body odor and complaining about your medical problems on 75 meters. Just get a base station cb antenna, plug it in and forget it. |
This NG supplies all the evidence anyone needs, look at people like steveo and tnom, they are keyclowns, they run out of band and illegal power. The only legit thing that is evident in this group is that your postings are always based on your false assumptions. You don't have a clue as to who I am or what I do. Your assertion that I run out of band with illegal power is false and it only further supports that fact that you continue to be clueless. tnom |
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:52:09 GMT, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:29:55 GMT, wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:40:56 GMT, wrote: Yeah, but it's only a partial crock of ****. The rain gutters or wire or whatever are only half the dipole so the house wiring will become the other active half and they will radiate. He grounds his tuner to a ground rod, but also his coax to the radio will tie him in to the service ground of the residence. Why would his coax tie him to the service ground? Radio antenna connector to radio chassis ground. Radio chassis ground to radio power plug. Radio power plug to wall outlet. Wall outlet to service ground. Mobile radio with a power supply. Power supply has a transformer, which isolates it it from direct connection. The PS is an old RS unit which does not have a ground on it's plug. So in essence, you're wrong. Vinnie S. sigh. Look at a schematic sometime. The PS transformer ain't isolating *anything* from ground, dude. Anything? Are you sure about that? OK you got me on a technicalty. Next look for any words misspelled. |
"Vinnie S." wrote in message ... Hi. If I want to talk abrefoot and run a dipole for 27 MHz in my attic, I noticed there are numerous versions. The vertical is out for obvious reasons. So there are inverted and horizontal. Is there any version I am better off using barefoot? Vinnie S. If you don't want to mess with punching a few holes in your roof, then go with a tower. You'd only need 5 10 foot sections at the most. Rohn 25 towers are simple and quick to put together. You can find used ones dirt cheap at practically any "ham fest". With such a small base, 18" or so, setting the tower in a cement filled hole is a snap. You could even use a foldup section with it. We've lifted 40ft upright with no trouble. Under 60 feet, you don't even need guy wires. But one set at 40 ft might not be a bad idea. Set it up next to the house and you don't need to worry about trenching the coax. If you go the tree route, and trench the coax, put it in conduit or even some pvc pipe. And for 150 feet, I'd use Rg8, not 58. |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:16:05 -0600, "Richard" wrote:
If you go the tree route, and trench the coax, put it in conduit or even some pvc pipe. And for 150 feet, I'd use Rg8, not 58. This is the route I am going to go long term, because I want to go ham eventually. In the meantime, I will stick something like a Firestik in the attc with some wires to form a ground plain. And no, I am not hooking up an amp. And if I was, I would tell you I would. I already have one in my car. I am not getting one for my house. Vinnie S. |
"Vinnie S." wrote in message ... This is the route I am going to go long term, because I want to go ham eventually. In the meantime, I will stick something like a Firestik in the attc with some wires to form a ground plain. And no, I am not hooking up an amp. Check the following link out. The idea looks interesting. They're not cheap but it looks like want you want; small - no ground plane required - low profile. They have several models available, Ham bands and one for 11m CB too. http://www.wimo.de/anteh_e.htm -- Leland C. Scott KC8LDO Wireless Network Mobile computing on the go brought to you by Micro$oft |
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:40:52 -0500, Vinnie S.
wrote in : snip If the wire will work just as good, I wil do that. It will work fine. Just make sure all the wires have a good connection to the shield of the coax. snip I wouldn't even mess with running a coax out that far. It's just not worth the effort. You would be better off using what you have around the house. Got a flagpole? No. And I can't put one in front of my house, because the septic drain field is there. Septic fields have very low ground resistance and make for great outdoor antennas. They are also an ideal place to sink a couple ground rods for lightning protection..... something you shouldn't ignore even with an indoor antenna. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Vinnie S. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:24:20 GMT, Lancer wrote: Maybe we should go over there and build one for him? Judging the posts by you 3, no thanks. Let's put this up, Mr Enzo! http://www.qsl.net/k7hg/Images/antenna.jpg |
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wrote: Vinnie S. wrote in : On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:03:02 -0500, wrote: This NG supplies all the evidence anyone needs, look at people like steveo and tnom, they are keyclowns, they run out of band and illegal power. The only legit thing that is evident in this group is that your postings are always based on your false assumptions. You don't have a clue as to who I am or what I do. Your assertion that I run out of band with illegal power is false and it only further supports that fact that you continue to be clueless. tnom I have noticed he always makes calims, and then wants everyone else to prove it for him. Vinnie S. I guess English isn't your first language you hypocrite assclown. Cement shoes is the lingo Enzo speaks. |
Lancer wrote:
On 15 Jan 2005 15:48:00 GMT, Steveo wrote: Vinnie S. wrote: On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:24:20 GMT, Lancer wrote: Maybe we should go over there and build one for him? Judging the posts by you 3, no thanks. Let's put this up, Mr Enzo! http://www.qsl.net/k7hg/Images/antenna.jpg Now could you hide that in an attic? It comes with its own attic! |
Lancer wrote:
On 15 Jan 2005 15:56:06 GMT, Steveo wrote: Lancer wrote: On 15 Jan 2005 15:48:00 GMT, Steveo wrote: Vinnie S. wrote: On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:24:20 GMT, Lancer wrote: Maybe we should go over there and build one for him? Judging the posts by you 3, no thanks. Let's put this up, Mr Enzo! http://www.qsl.net/k7hg/Images/antenna.jpg Now could you hide that in an attic? It comes with its own attic! Wouldn't work, Vinnie's neighbors would notice a new attic on his house.. LOL! Damn busy bodies! |
Lancer wrote:
On 15 Jan 2005 16:08:37 GMT, Steveo wrote: Lancer wrote: On 15 Jan 2005 15:56:06 GMT, Steveo wrote: Lancer wrote: On 15 Jan 2005 15:48:00 GMT, Steveo wrote: Vinnie S. wrote: On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:24:20 GMT, Lancer wrote: Maybe we should go over there and build one for him? Judging the posts by you 3, no thanks. Let's put this up, Mr Enzo! http://www.qsl.net/k7hg/Images/antenna.jpg Now could you hide that in an attic? It comes with its own attic! Wouldn't work, Vinnie's neighbors would notice a new attic on his house.. LOL! Damn busy bodies! No crap, you figure if you lived on a ranch the neighbors would be busy looking at your horses.. I live in a ranch style home..no neighbors. So are you stuck inside again today? Well it's 7 degrees in the wind, a little chilly for kite flying. I'm doing some equipment research on the net..spring really ain't that far away. Are you stuck inside? |
Lancer wrote:
Seen Fat Albert yet? No, but I liked that toon when I was a youngin'. |
Lancer wrote:
On 15 Jan 2005 16:32:58 GMT, Steveo wrote: Lancer wrote: Seen Fat Albert yet? No, but I liked that toon when I was a youngin'. You would like the movie then... its based on the cartoon show.. Hey Hey Hey!! Who plays FA? |
On 15 Jan 2005 15:48:00 GMT, Steveo wrote:
Vinnie S. wrote: On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:24:20 GMT, Lancer wrote: Maybe we should go over there and build one for him? Judging the posts by you 3, no thanks. Let's put this up, Mr Enzo! http://www.qsl.net/k7hg/Images/antenna.jpg I can build a house around those. Vinnie S. |
Vinnie S. wrote:
On 15 Jan 2005 15:48:00 GMT, Steveo wrote: Vinnie S. wrote: On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:24:20 GMT, Lancer wrote: Maybe we should go over there and build one for him? Judging the posts by you 3, no thanks. Let's put this up, Mr Enzo! http://www.qsl.net/k7hg/Images/antenna.jpg I can build a house around those. Vinnie S. Just call the house your shack..invite the neighbors over for a beer and an x-ray! |
On 15 Jan 2005 16:43:21 GMT, Steveo
wrote: Lancer wrote: On 15 Jan 2005 16:32:58 GMT, Steveo wrote: Lancer wrote: Seen Fat Albert yet? No, but I liked that toon when I was a youngin'. You would like the movie then... its based on the cartoon show.. Hey Hey Hey!! Who plays FA? Kenan Thompson, never heard of him before.. He does a good job.. Its a trip through Cosby's gang getting old... |
On 15 Jan 2005 16:55:26 GMT, Steveo
wrote: Vinnie S. wrote: On 15 Jan 2005 15:48:00 GMT, Steveo wrote: Vinnie S. wrote: On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:24:20 GMT, Lancer wrote: Maybe we should go over there and build one for him? Judging the posts by you 3, no thanks. Let's put this up, Mr Enzo! http://www.qsl.net/k7hg/Images/antenna.jpg I can build a house around those. Vinnie S. Just call the house your shack..invite the neighbors over for a beer and an x-ray! That used to really **** my mom off when I called my radio/bedroom my shack.. |
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