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There is no "freeband". It will cost you $13K if Uncle Charlie finds you. Thus it's not free, so there's no freeband.... :-) Really, what can you do illegally on 27.567MHz that you, if you have a General or Extra class ham license, can do legally in the 10 meter ham band? |
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson
wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:55:28 -0500, Len pooped out: It will cost you $13K if Uncle Charlie finds you. Thus it's not free, so there's no freeband.... :-) Really, what can you do illegally on 27.567MHz that you, if you have a General or Extra class ham license, can do legally in the 10 meter ham band? Odds of getting caught and fined? Miniscule. Riiiiiight. Go ahead and keep at it then, it's just a matter of time. They ARE going after people... I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses... |
Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by
comparison to legal Ham bands privileges..... -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Live Blues Music www.492acousticblues.com "Ham Guy" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:55:28 -0500, Len pooped out: It will cost you $13K if Uncle Charlie finds you. Thus it's not free, so there's no freeband.... :-) Really, what can you do illegally on 27.567MHz that you, if you have a General or Extra class ham license, can do legally in the 10 meter ham band? Odds of getting caught and fined? Miniscule. Riiiiiight. Go ahead and keep at it then, it's just a matter of time. They ARE going after people... I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses... |
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:14:14 -0500, Ham Guy wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:55:28 -0500, Len pooped out: It will cost you $13K if Uncle Charlie finds you. Thus it's not free, so there's no freeband.... :-) Really, what can you do illegally on 27.567MHz that you, if you have a General or Extra class ham license, can do legally in the 10 meter ham band? Odds of getting caught and fined? Miniscule. Riiiiiight. Go ahead and keep at it then, it's just a matter of time. They ARE going after people... I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses... Quite a few according to many of the more recent FCC enforcement actions. It would seem that the FCC is more likely to pop a licensed ham for operating out of their assigned bands, than they are in popping an unlicensed radio pirate. If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be detrimental. The reason freebanding is as rampant as it is is that the FCC is simply not affecting all that many people. The chances of getting popped are very slim, and they usually give you a warning first, which gives you a chance to pull the plug. Freebanding is a violation of federal radio law, but without effective enforcement, that earns very little respect among those who pursue it. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:32:57 -0600, "Charlie"
wrote: Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by comparison to legal Ham bands privileges..... Assuming freebanders have ham licenses. Most don't. Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands. If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal. From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to make that "rare" contact. That doesn't make it right, but it does explain why. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:11:35 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in : On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:32:57 -0600, "Charlie" wrote: Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by comparison to legal Ham bands privileges..... Assuming freebanders have ham licenses. Most don't. Post your source, Dave. Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands. If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal. Even if it means illegal operation. From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to make that "rare" contact. That doesn't make it right, but it does explain why. You are clueless, Dave. 11 meters can be wide open when 10 and 12 meters are totally dead. That's the nature of the band and that part of the spectrum. And that's one big reason why many hams operate illegally on the CB. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:14:14 -0500, Ham Guy wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson wrote: I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses... Dave responds with: Quite a few according to many of the more recent FCC enforcement actions. It would seem that the FCC is more likely to pop a licensed ham for operating out of their assigned bands, than they are in popping an unlicensed radio pirate. If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be detrimental. The reason freebanding is as rampant as it is is that the FCC is simply not affecting all that many people. The chances of getting popped are very slim, and they usually give you a warning first, which gives you a chance to pull the plug. Freebanding is a violation of federal radio law, but without effective enforcement, that earns very little respect among those who pursue it. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Dave, you type this above, then type this 4 minutes later. Make up your mind: Assuming freebanders have ham licenses. Most don't. Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands. If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal. From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to make that "rare" contact. That doesn't make it right, but it does explain why. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Landshark -- Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen. |
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:21:16 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:11:35 -0500, Dave Hall wrote in : On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:32:57 -0600, "Charlie" wrote: Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by comparison to legal Ham bands privileges..... Assuming freebanders have ham licenses. Most don't. Post your source, Dave. Common sense, and statistical probability. At the time CB was at it's biggest peak, the number of licensed CB'ers outnumbered hams by nearly 10:1. With that many CB'ers it stands to reason that the greatest source of freeband activity comes from CB. Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands. If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal. Even if it means illegal operation. Shameful but true. Even some hams have a tough time obeying the rules these days. From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to make that "rare" contact. That doesn't make it right, but it does explain why. You are clueless, Dave. 11 meters can be wide open when 10 and 12 meters are totally dead. That's the nature of the band and that part of the spectrum. And that's one big reason why many hams operate illegally on the CB. Pure B.S. Frank. There is no way that 11 meters can be "wide open" and 10 meters not be equally open. They're only 1 Mhz apart, so propagation characteristics are virtually the same. Even if you try to use the MUF argument, then how would that explain 12 meters? Surely you aren't going to argue, just for the sake of arguing, that the conditions on 27.555 are all that much different than what's on 28.005? What IS different though are the amount of operators present. The old; "If a tree fell in the woods and no one was there, did it really make a noise" analogy holds here. If the 10 meter band was wide open but no one was using it, were the conditions really different? The plain truth is that 12 meters is a lightly used ham band. 10 meters is pretty much only active when the sunspot cycle is high, and people look there for DX. Otherwise hams tend to flock to 15 meters and lower to make their DX contacts. If a sporadic band opening happens on 10 meters, most would miss it. But with millions of CBers flooding the legal channels, you have an instant beacon that tells when the band is opening. Just listen to the noise level rise. Is your zeal to argue with me overriding the illogic of your position? Besides, I though you had a new job? Isn't it time you got to work? Dave "Sandbagger" |
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:11:22 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in : On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:21:16 -0800, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:11:35 -0500, Dave Hall wrote in : On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:32:57 -0600, "Charlie" wrote: Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by comparison to legal Ham bands privileges..... Assuming freebanders have ham licenses. Most don't. Post your source, Dave. Common sense, and statistical probability. IOW, you are just guessing. At the time CB was at it's biggest peak, the number of licensed CB'ers outnumbered hams by nearly 10:1. Post your source, Dave. Or are you guessing about that, too? With that many CB'ers it stands to reason that the greatest source of freeband activity comes from CB. Pure conjecture. Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands. If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal. Even if it means illegal operation. Shameful but true. Even some hams have a tough time obeying the rules these days. From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to make that "rare" contact. That doesn't make it right, but it does explain why. You are clueless, Dave. 11 meters can be wide open when 10 and 12 meters are totally dead. That's the nature of the band and that part of the spectrum. And that's one big reason why many hams operate illegally on the CB. Pure B.S. Frank. There is no way that 11 meters can be "wide open" and 10 meters not be equally open. They're only 1 Mhz apart, so propagation characteristics are virtually the same. Despite your claim that it can't happen, it does. Even if you try to use the MUF argument, then how would that explain 12 meters? Surely you aren't going to argue, just for the sake of arguing, that the conditions on 27.555 are all that much different than what's on 28.005? Maybe you should take this from the scientific perspective: Make the observations and -then- formulate your theory on how and why such things occur. What IS different though are the amount of operators present. The old; "If a tree fell in the woods and no one was there, did it really make a noise" analogy holds here. If the 10 meter band was wide open but no one was using it, were the conditions really different? You're hopeless, Dave. The "analogy" you poorly quoted is an exercise in existentialism, not radio-wave propogation. The plain truth is that 12 meters is a lightly used ham band. 10 meters is pretty much only active when the sunspot cycle is high, and people look there for DX. Otherwise hams tend to flock to 15 meters and lower to make their DX contacts. Maybe that's what happens in your neck of the woods (where trees fall without making a sound). If a sporadic band opening happens on 10 meters, most would miss it. But with millions of CBers flooding the legal channels, you have an instant beacon that tells when the band is opening. Just listen to the noise level rise. Is your zeal to argue with me overriding the illogic of your position? Is your zeal to argue with me overriding the fact that you never noticed how sometimes half the CB is dead while the other half is skipping like a kid playing hopscotch? Besides, I though you had a new job? Isn't it time you got to work? I have the day off. Isn't it time you got a job? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Ham Guy wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:55:28 -0500, Len pooped out: It will cost you $13K if Uncle Charlie finds you. Thus it's not free, so there's no freeband.... :-) Really, what can you do illegally on 27.567MHz that you, if you have a General or Extra class ham license, can do legally in the 10 meter ham band? Odds of getting caught and fined? Miniscule. Riiiiiight. Go ahead and keep at it then, it's just a matter of time. They ARE going after people... I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses... I know of three within 15 miles of me. -- http://NewsReader.Com 30 GB/Month |
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:11:35 -0500, Dave Hall wrote in : On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:32:57 -0600, "Charlie" wrote: Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by comparison to legal Ham bands privileges..... Assuming freebanders have ham licenses. Most don't. Post your source, Dave. Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands. If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal. Even if it means illegal operation. From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to make that "rare" contact. That doesn't make it right, but it does explain why. You are clueless, Dave. 11 meters can be wide open when 10 and 12 meters are totally dead. That's the nature of the band and that part of the spectrum. And that's one big reason why many hams operate illegally on the CB. The hams I know use the freeband for local talk as much or more than for DX. They do if for fun. -- http://NewsReader.Com 30 GB/Month |
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Dave Hall wrote: | Quite a few according to many of the more recent FCC enforcement | actions. It would seem that the FCC is more likely to pop a licensed | ham for operating out of their assigned bands, than they are in | popping an unlicensed radio pirate. It's probably because it's a lot easier to track down -- after all, if the licensed ham is properly IDing himself, it's trivial for anybody who listens to look up that call sign and find that his ham class doesn't let him transmit there. | If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be | detrimental. Freebanders don't generally ID themselves at all. To actually track one down would be a lot harder. -- Doug McLaren, Life is short and hard, like a bodybuilding elf. So save the planet and kill yourself. |
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Charlie wrote:
Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by comparison to legal Ham bands privileges..... And getting caught can cost them their ham license. |
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
Charlie wrote: Those with any sense do not do "free banding" since it is limited by comparison to legal Ham bands privileges..... And getting caught can cost them their ham license. So can being struck by lightning. :P -- http://NewsReader.Com 30 GB/Month |
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:57:19 -0800, Justín Käse
wrote: In posted on Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:14:14 -0500, Ham Guy wrote: But having a ham license gives freebanders access to equipment that normally would not be available to unlicensed individuals. Some retailers will not sell gear to unlicensed persons, nor will some hamfests award prizes to those who hold no license, offering an equivalent cash value instead. Where does that idyllic situation exist? Many "Ham" shops will sell anything to anyone, if cash is flashed, regardless of whether they hold an appropriate license for its use. AES in Wickliffe, OH did this for a while in the late 1980s, but they may have discontinued the practice. There was also a hamfest in Pittsburgh that had a license requirement to claim any radio prizes. If you didn't have a license, you got cash. |
Ham Guy wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:57:19 -0800, Justín Käse wrote: In posted on Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:14:14 -0500, Ham Guy wrote: But having a ham license gives freebanders access to equipment that normally would not be available to unlicensed individuals. Some retailers will not sell gear to unlicensed persons, nor will some hamfests award prizes to those who hold no license, offering an equivalent cash value instead. Where does that idyllic situation exist? Many "Ham" shops will sell anything to anyone, if cash is flashed, regardless of whether they hold an appropriate license for its use. AES in Wickliffe, OH did this for a while in the late 1980s, but they may have discontinued the practice. There was also a hamfest in Pittsburgh that had a license requirement to claim any radio prizes. If you didn't have a license, you got cash. They'll take a check or credit card too. It's not at all difficult to buy whatever you desire, license or not. -- http://NewsReader.Com 30 GB/Month |
They'll take a check or credit card too. It's not at all difficult to buy whatever you desire, license or not. AFAIK, there's no rule requiring a license to BUY equipment. There are rules about using it though..... |
I doubt if the hams who freeband are dumb enough to use their calls there (but you never know). But I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they are "recognized" there by other people who turn them in. Some might ID by mistake out of habit before they realize that they are out of band..... WOuld it be illegal to use my callsign as my "cb handle" on CB using legal CB equipment? Or would I be using my ham license out of band? Not that anyone would really care, but.... | If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be | detrimental. Freebanders don't generally ID themselves at all. To actually track one down would be a lot harder. Yes, I agree. It just seems funny that the latest freeband bust seem to be hams running out of band over unlicensed operation. I've heard second hand of hams, bored of regular ham bands, doing "freeband" for a change of pace. |
robert casey wrote:
They'll take a check or credit card too. It's not at all difficult to buy whatever you desire, license or not. AFAIK, there's no rule requiring a license to BUY equipment. There are rules about using it though..... Yes sir, as it should be. -- http://NewsReader.Com 30 GB/Month |
robert casey wrote:
-snip- WOuld it be illegal to use my callsign as my "cb handle" on CB using legal CB equipment? pace. Nope. -- http://NewsReader.Com 30 GB/Month |
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:41:11 GMT, robert casey
wrote: They'll take a check or credit card too. It's not at all difficult to buy whatever you desire, license or not. AFAIK, there's no rule requiring a license to BUY equipment. There are rules about using it though..... You are correct, there is no such written rule. However some merchants take it upon themselves to enforce this "rule". IMHO, if they make enough money that they can afford to turn away potential customers, more power to them. Most ham stores though, aren't exactly busting at the seems with buyers...... Dave "Sandbagger" |
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:46:47 GMT, robert casey
wrote: I doubt if the hams who freeband are dumb enough to use their calls there (but you never know). But I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they are "recognized" there by other people who turn them in. Some might ID by mistake out of habit before they realize that they are out of band..... That could happen. I've caught myself almost doing it a few times. WOuld it be illegal to use my callsign as my "cb handle" on CB using legal CB equipment? Or would I be using my ham license out of band? Not that anyone would really care, but.... If you are running legal CB gear on legal CB channels, you certainly can use a ham call as a "handle". Why someone would is another question. | If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be | detrimental. Freebanders don't generally ID themselves at all. To actually track one down would be a lot harder. Yes, I agree. It just seems funny that the latest freeband bust seem to be hams running out of band over unlicensed operation. I've heard second hand of hams, bored of regular ham bands, doing "freeband" for a change of pace. Many hams used to be CB'ers/Freebanders, and like to "return to the roost" once in a while. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
Many hams used to be CB'ers/Freebanders, and like to "return to the roost" once in a while. I got my start in radio with a legal CB radio back in 1976. Then got a ham license and never went back. If I wanted to "freeband" I can legally use the 10 meter band as a ham for the same operations. But with the sunspots out, I can use 20 or lower just as legally. |
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:42:08 GMT, robert casey
wrote: Many hams used to be CB'ers/Freebanders, and like to "return to the roost" once in a while. I got my start in radio with a legal CB radio back in 1976. Then got a ham license and never went back. If I wanted to "freeband" I can legally use the 10 meter band as a ham for the same operations. But with the sunspots out, I can use 20 or lower just as legally. Certainly. I agree. But some people do things differently. When 10/11 meters opens up, there is often only a handful of hams on 10, but there are hundreds (or more) people on 11 meters. The DX potential is better. I don't condone it, but I do understand it. Dave "Sandbagger" |
ah ha ha how true but i have seen so call hams(proffesional no code techs)
gater on cb so they can use profanity.they seem to like the idea they can GET AWAY with it...ah ha ha 73, ``THE REAL HAM`` -- My Family Website-- http://mysite.verizon.net/res868sp/t...ily/index.html My Amatuer Radio Website-- http://www.qsl.net/kb9ygd/index.html http://dx.qsl.net/logs ---Search My Logbook |
Dave Hall wrote:
Any ham who works H.F. knows that conditions vary between the bands. If DX is the name of the game, those who are rabid about it, will seek out whatever avenues exist to achieve that goal. From a propagation standpoint, there is little difference in conditions between 10, 11 and 12 meters. But there are far more operators on 11 meters at any given time, so there are more chances to make that "rare" contact. Gee, I could use a contact in North Dakota to finish off my "Worked All States" award. Think I could use a freeband QSL card? ;-) |
Landshark wrote:
"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:14:14 -0500, Ham Guy wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson wrote: I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses... Dave responds with: Quite a few according to many of the more recent FCC enforcement actions. It would seem that the FCC is more likely to pop a licensed ham for operating out of their assigned bands, than they are in popping an unlicensed radio pirate. If you are going to freeband, having a ham license may actually be detrimental. The reason freebanding is as rampant as it is is that the FCC is simply not affecting all that many people. The chances of getting popped are very slim, and they usually give you a warning first, which gives you a chance to pull the plug. Freebanding is a violation of federal radio law, but without effective enforcement, that earns very little respect among those who pursue it. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Dave, you type this above, then type this 4 minutes later. Make up your mind Yes, Dave, make up your mind. You are going to lose friends among the freebanders if you say anything is wrong with it. |
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Proposal: Make 11 meters available to to HAMs as secondary use. Power
restricted to 100 Watts. Then the HAMs can have QSOs with CBers. -Scott ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Steveo wrote:
Ham Guy wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:02:00 GMT, Assneck Johnson wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:55:28 -0500, Len pooped out: It will cost you $13K if Uncle Charlie finds you. Thus it's not free, so there's no freeband.... :-) Really, what can you do illegally on 27.567MHz that you, if you have a General or Extra class ham license, can do legally in the 10 meter ham band? Odds of getting caught and fined? Miniscule. Riiiiiight. Go ahead and keep at it then, it's just a matter of time. They ARE going after people... I wonder how many freebanders have ham licenses... I know of three within 15 miles of me. -- http://NewsReader.Com 30 GB/Month what are there callsigns? or do they have to hide like you? |
Scott Slack wrote:
Proposal: Make 11 meters available to to HAMs as secondary use. Power restricted to 100 Watts. Then the HAMs can have QSOs with CBers. -Scott Why would hams want to operate on 11 meters and talk to cbers? |
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
Scott Slack wrote: Proposal: Make 11 meters available to to HAMs as secondary use. Power restricted to 100 Watts. Then the HAMs can have QSOs with CBers. -Scott Why would hams want to operate on 11 meters and talk to cbers? Is that a valid email addy JJ, or are you using a valid domain without permission? |
Proposal: Make 11 meters available to to HAMs as secondary use. Power
restricted to 100 Watts. Why restrict Hams to what would be QRP level on that band? g QRP is defined as 5 watts or less. Then the HAMs can have QSOs with CBers. We already can, QSL? I have a CB in my vehicle. A stock TRC-451 with an Astatic 636-L and a 2x455 box that talks as far as I can hear with a full size antenna. I also have a 2 meter and sometimes 440 as well. I left the CB in because it was already there and when you want to find out why traffic stopped, there's nothing like 19, for a minute or two. With almost total lack of any enforcement there, who's to know, or care if Hams do that now? Only Riley will know... |
Steveo wrote:
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: Scott Slack wrote: Proposal: Make 11 meters available to to HAMs as secondary use. Power restricted to 100 Watts. Then the HAMs can have QSOs with CBers. -Scott Why would hams want to operate on 11 meters and talk to cbers? Is that a valid email addy JJ, or are you using a valid domain without permission? Switch noted.. are you getting this snow in Denver too JJ? |
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