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I've been granted an FCC license for a GMRS radio (ZA category), which I use
in my business, and found on their website that my call sign is... WQCTxxx. It is a seven character combination or capital letters and digits. What does it mean and how can I use it? My "radio" is a small handheld walkie-talkie with 4W max power output. Where is the call number in there? Shall I use it when I talk to my counterpart: "Hello, this is WQCTxxx, please, report to me?" Is it all to it? Like a caller ID only in the air? Is there a set of rules describing the proper use of it? Thanks |
On Sat, 28 May 2005 02:48:16 -0400, ALEXB wrote:
I've been granted an FCC license for a GMRS radio (ZA category), which I use in my business, and found on their website that my call sign is... WQCTxxx. It is a seven character combination or capital letters and digits. What does it mean and how can I use it? My "radio" is a small handheld walkie-talkie with 4W max power output. Where is the call number in there? It is the 4-letter 3-digit sequence assigned to you by the FCC. This is listed in the box labeled "Call Sign" on the middle left side of the "Radio Station Authorization" form you got from the FCC in the mail. Shall I use it when I talk to my counterpart: "Hello, this is WQCTxxx, please, report to me?" Is it all to it? Like a caller ID only in the air? 95.119 Station identification. (a) Except as provided in paragraph (e), every GMRS station must transmit a station identification: (1) Following the transmission of communications or a series of communications; and (2) Every 15 minutes during a long transmission. (b) The station identification is the call sign assigned to the GMRS station or system. (c) A unit number may be included after the call sign in the identification. (d) The station identification must be transmitted in: (1) Voice in the English language; or (2) International Morse code telegraphy. (e) A station need not identify its transmissions if it automatically retransmits communications from another station which are properly identified. Is there a set of rules describing the proper use of it? Try this URL: http://www.provide.net/~prsg/part95ae.htm Enjoy the GMRS radio service. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
"ALEXB" wrote in
: I've been granted an FCC license for a GMRS radio (ZA category), which I use in my business, and found on their website that my call sign is... WQCTxxx. It is a seven character combination or capital letters and digits. What does it mean and how can I use it? My "radio" is a small handheld walkie-talkie with 4W max power output. Where is the call number in there? Shall I use it when I talk to my counterpart: "Hello, this is WQCTxxx, please, report to me?" Is it all to it? Like a caller ID only in the air? Is there a set of rules describing the proper use of it? Sorry to tell you.... You wasted your money. GMRS use for businesses are prohibited. You used to be able to license for a business, but the rules have subsequently changed. Only those who have a grandfathered license from back when it was legal can do so. See regulation below: 95.5 License eligibility. (a) An individual (one man or one woman) is eligible to obtain, renew and have modified a GMRS system license if that individual is 18 years of age or older and is not a representative of a foreign government. (b) A non-individual (an entity other than an individual) is ineligible to obtain a new GMRS system license or make a major modification to an existing GMRS system license. (c) A GMRS system licensed to a non-individual before July 31, 1987, is eligible to renew that licenses and all subsequent licenses based upon it if: (1) The non-individual is a partnership and each partner is 18 years of age or older; a corporation; an association; a state, territorial, or local government unit; or a legal entity; (2) The non-individual is not a foreign government; a representative of a foreign government; or a federal government agency; and (3) The licensee has not been granted a major modification to its GMRS system. The GMRS crowd hangs out on another newsgroup, alt.radio.family FCC regs can be found he http://www.provide.net/~prsg/part95ae.htm Oficial GMRS FCC website is he http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/per...generalmobile/ -- John L. Wilkerson Jr. GMRS Consumer information website: http://www.geocities.com/johnlwilker....net/gmrs.html |
"ALEXB" wrote in
: I've been granted an FCC license for a GMRS radio (ZA category), which I use in my business, and found on their website that my call sign is... WQCTxxx. It is a seven character combination or capital letters and digits. Your email bounced... I was going to send you more information. |
"General Mobile Radio Service |nformation" wrote in message ... "ALEXB" wrote in : I've been granted an FCC license for a GMRS radio (ZA category), which I use in my business, and found on their website that my call sign is... WQCTxxx. It is a seven character combination or capital letters and digits. What does it mean and how can I use it? My "radio" is a small handheld walkie-talkie with 4W max power output. Where is the call number in there? Shall I use it when I talk to my counterpart: "Hello, this is WQCTxxx, please, report to me?" Is it all to it? Like a caller ID only in the air? Is there a set of rules describing the proper use of it? Sorry to tell you.... You wasted your money. GMRS use for businesses are prohibited. You used to be able to license for a business, but the rules have subsequently changed. Only those who have a grandfathered license from back when it was legal can do so. See regulation below: 95.5 License eligibility. (a) An individual (one man or one woman) is eligible to obtain, renew and have modified a GMRS system license if that individual is 18 years of age or older and is not a representative of a foreign government. (b) A non-individual (an entity other than an individual) is ineligible to obtain a new GMRS system license or make a major modification to an existing GMRS system license. (c) A GMRS system licensed to a non-individual before July 31, 1987, is eligible to renew that licenses and all subsequent licenses based upon it if: (1) The non-individual is a partnership and each partner is 18 years of age or older; a corporation; an association; a state, territorial, or local government unit; or a legal entity; (2) The non-individual is not a foreign government; a representative of a foreign government; or a federal government agency; and (3) The licensee has not been granted a major modification to its GMRS system. The GMRS crowd hangs out on another newsgroup, alt.radio.family FCC regs can be found he http://www.provide.net/~prsg/part95ae.htm Oficial GMRS FCC website is he http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/per...generalmobile/ -- John L. Wilkerson Jr. GMRS Consumer information website: http://www.geocities.com/johnlwilker....net/gmrs.html Thanks for telling me that but I think I am fine. I am not incorporated. I have one employee. I applied as an individual. I filled out an application on their website at www.wireless.fcc.gov/usl/ and I do not remember if they asked me about my business name. Anyway, I used my office address as I recall. It is too confusing for me to understand in all its entirety since I have too many other things to worry about. Let me ask you another question. For my counterpart to use their GMRS I have to get a second license (Yes/No)--I guess the answer is yes? That second license can be had as if it is attached to my existing account which now has the first license on it that is discussed here (Yes/No)? I don't really need a crowd to join. You, guys, are giving me almost more than I need to orient myself to the wireless world:) Thanks. |
"General Mobile Radio Service |nformation" wrote in message ... "ALEXB" wrote in : I've been granted an FCC license for a GMRS radio (ZA category), which I use in my business, and found on their website that my call sign is... WQCTxxx. It is a seven character combination or capital letters and digits. Your email bounced... I was going to send you more information. Yes, I am fed up with people harvesting my email address and sending junk. Until a legislation is enacted to protect Internet users I will remain anonymous. I just entered your email address in my safe list of my hotmail account and you can send it to Please, remove "333" before mailing. It is for protection. I really appreciate your help. Thank you very much. Happy Memorial weekend everyone. Sorry. |
Hello Alexb:
I listen in on a bunch on vhf and uhf Frequencies on my scanner. Most GMRS and the commercial channels hardly any one uses call signs, except for a few hams that are using modified UHF radios to talk on the GMRS and FRS channels, they slip up and give their ham call sign, hehehehe When call signs are used they mostly get it wrong or leave out letters or numbers kind of funny. Or a foreign accent adds to the "What was that they said" If the general public was held for call sign accuracy we would all be in jail. So I wouldn't loose any sleep over it. We had a local vhf channel that at one time had Berts Pizza and a few delivery cars, a cement truck company, a school, and a fire fighting outfit showed on the same channel during a forest fire. No body used call signs, but it was very entertaining. We call it the "E" channel, hehehehehehehhehe Jay in the Mojave ALEXB wrote: I've been granted an FCC license for a GMRS radio (ZA category), which I use in my business, and found on their website that my call sign is... WQCTxxx. It is a seven character combination or capital letters and digits. What does it mean and how can I use it? My "radio" is a small handheld walkie-talkie with 4W max power output. Where is the call number in there? Shall I use it when I talk to my counterpart: "Hello, this is WQCTxxx, please, report to me?" Is it all to it? Like a caller ID only in the air? Is there a set of rules describing the proper use of it? Thanks |
"Jay in the Mojave" wrote in message ... Hello Alexb: I listen in on a bunch on vhf and uhf Frequencies on my scanner. Most GMRS and the commercial channels hardly any one uses call signs, except for a few hams that are using modified UHF radios to talk on the GMRS and FRS channels, they slip up and give their ham call sign, hehehehe When call signs are used they mostly get it wrong or leave out letters or numbers kind of funny. Or a foreign accent adds to the "What was that they said" If the general public was held for call sign accuracy we would all be in jail. So I wouldn't loose any sleep over it. That's what I thought too. Common sense pictured me a similar image or reality. Just wanted to find out what other people's experience is with it. Aside from what you just said which is valuable, I want to point out that my communications, I hate to say it, are encrypted. That small GMRS has 15 or so codes and multiplied by the number of channels I can use (from the top of my head from the 12th up since I transmit at "high power" of 4W) makes it unlikely that somebody would instantly tune in. How in the world would I make a fool of myself blubbering that gibberish? There is nothing especially 'secret' about what I talk about. It is all about stocks, like, "sell 500 GOOG right now" or "do you want me to bring you a sandwich?" but I still do not want people with scanners like you hear it. I actually use the telephone line most of the time but need a back up system since once in a while the phones do fail. How do you go about listening to encrypted conversations, I am curious? You know I have a full respect for the law but I would hate to be ridiculous. We had a local vhf channel that at one time had Berts Pizza and a few delivery cars, a cement truck company, a school, and a fire fighting outfit showed on the same channel during a forest fire. No body used call signs, but it was very entertaining. We call it the "E" channel, hehehehehehehhehe Jay in the Mojave ALEXB wrote: I've been granted an FCC license for a GMRS radio (ZA category), which I use in my business, and found on their website that my call sign is... WQCTxxx. It is a seven character combination or capital letters and digits. What does it mean and how can I use it? My "radio" is a small handheld walkie-talkie with 4W max power output. Where is the call number in there? Shall I use it when I talk to my counterpart: "Hello, this is WQCTxxx, please, report to me?" Is it all to it? Like a caller ID only in the air? Is there a set of rules describing the proper use of it? Thanks |
On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:06:44 -0400, alexb wrote:
Aside from what you just said which is valuable, I want to point out that my communications, I hate to say it, are encrypted. That small GMRS has 15 or so codes and multiplied by the number of channels I can use (from the top of my head from the 12th I would take what he said about call sign usage with a grain of salt. It's no different than somebody telling you it's OK to do 20 over on the highway because they never saw a cop. Yeah you might get away with it for a long time, but sooner or later you'll get nailed. Also consider you're trying to use it for business, that gives the licensed users an extra incentive to report you. Now for your comment above, if your talking about those so-called "privacy codes", forget it. They don't encrypt anything. What they're for is to keep other radios from opening up the squelch for every transmission on that channel except for the one using that code. That way you don't have to be bothered listening to transmission you're not interested in. Anybody with a scanner can still hear everything you say. One more thing, if you read the rules about station ID it states clearly that you must ID either in English or Mose Code on the GMRS channels. That basically ends any sort of encrypted transmission on GMRS. You may find FRS radios using "voice inversion" scrambling, but then again you have to have all matching radios typically from the same manufacture and most people who are serious monitors have ways to unscramble the signal anyway, either using hardware or some software based technique using a computer sound card. The best rule to observe is assume that somebody can hear you regardless of what kind of transmission you make scrambled, or in the clear. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO WPYJ972 |
On Sat, 28 May 2005 08:12:38 -0400, ALEXB wrote:
Yes, I am fed up with people harvesting my email address and sending junk. Until a legislation is enacted to protect Internet users I will remain anonymous. They have but it doesn't seem to be doing much good as of now. You're not as anonymous as you may think. Your home IP shows in the headers. If you have a way to turn it off I would advise doing so unless you don't care or can't as many people find out. Also you should turn off your Ping (Echo) response too unless you need it on. Sometimes I turn mine on when I'm doing some testing or network configuration modifications. At least you don't seem to have any ports hanging open. I did a quick port scan of your system so if you have any logging enabled my port scanning it'll show up there so don't worry about it. ------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 08:12:38 -0400 From: "ALEXB" Lines: 28 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 07:14:01 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.40.200.77 Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb Path: local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!new s.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail References: Subject: FCC license X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: X-DMCA-Complaints-To: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 X-Priority: 3 X-Trace: sv3-lEStMSy0m78LOK5D0y9rxiC5oMgZZ8PW8tR8EdFTJtkKWFi4JH 09qYxEyUyJgDZZEJ0e9W3iM6fJTJm!QorZ1PCHhzWQ/jr+fkCe2kSTBfAGku8SAvZ33Z4TLcSUruQaD/p776+UU3Uf0yU8D5dq/LEGN3Gw!caM= Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.radio.cb:398351 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain --------------------------------------------------------------------- [Querying whois.arin.net] [whois.arin.net] Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. JUMPSTART-1 (NET-68-32-0-0-1) 68.32.0.0 - 68.63.255.255 Comcast Cable Communications, Inc MICHIGAN-A-1 (NET-68-40-0-0-1) 68.40.0.0 - 68.41.255.255 # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-05-27 19:10 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. While that may not do much good for finding your E-mail address it gives them a start. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
"ALEXB" wrote in
: Thanks for telling me that but I think I am fine. I am not incorporated. I have one employee. I applied as an individual. I filled out an application on their website at www.wireless.fcc.gov/usl/ and I do not remember if they asked me about my business name. Anyway, I used my office address as I recall. It is too confusing for me to understand in all its entirety since I have too many other things to worry about. Regardless, you still cannot use GMRS to conduct business. GMRS is strictly for families and non-business groups. Once you ID with your callsign as required, you open yourself up to being reported. Nonetheless, I applaud you for getting a license :) That is great :) Let me ask you another question. For my counterpart to use their GMRS I have to get a second license (Yes/No)--I guess the answer is yes? Yes. The regs only permit family members to utilize the same license/callsign. That second license can be had as if it is attached to my existing account which now has the first license on it that is discussed here (Yes/No)? Nope. The other person must apply on their own name and such. They'll beed their own FRN and all that. I don't really need a crowd to join. You, guys, are giving me almost more than I need to orient myself to the wireless world:) Even so, a lot of useful information can be had. You'll also get a great deal of good advice. |
Hello Alexb:
Yeah I wouldn't give the call sign thing too much concern especially with low low power and hand held operation. But I would ID if any one asked. Highly unlikely. And even more unlikely in areas that are not heavily populated. I don't think the codes your talking about are encrypted your signal. I believe those are digital squelch codes that allow the other radio to open its squelch. So scanner radios will be able to hear the conversation. I am sure you can talk around the subject that you are framilur with. I buy scanners at yard sales for something different to listen to. And just listen to what ever they have programed in, or what ever crystal channels are in the scanner. We have a local Tow Truck company here that talks around everything. Except when Marge gets hammered on Friday afternoons hehehehehehe. I haven't a clue how to listen to encrypted signals?!?!?!?!? sorry. Why would you want to? Just a bunch of guys saying Ten-4 and 2180 to headquarters. Jay in the Mojave alexb wrote: "Jay in the Mojave" wrote in message ... Hello Alexb: I listen in on a bunch on vhf and uhf Frequencies on my scanner. Most GMRS and the commercial channels hardly any one uses call signs, except for a few hams that are using modified UHF radios to talk on the GMRS and FRS channels, they slip up and give their ham call sign, hehehehe When call signs are used they mostly get it wrong or leave out letters or numbers kind of funny. Or a foreign accent adds to the "What was that they said" If the general public was held for call sign accuracy we would all be in jail. So I wouldn't loose any sleep over it. That's what I thought too. Common sense pictured me a similar image or reality. Just wanted to find out what other people's experience is with it. Aside from what you just said which is valuable, I want to point out that my communications, I hate to say it, are encrypted. That small GMRS has 15 or so codes and multiplied by the number of channels I can use (from the top of my head from the 12th up since I transmit at "high power" of 4W) makes it unlikely that somebody would instantly tune in. How in the world would I make a fool of myself blubbering that gibberish? There is nothing especially 'secret' about what I talk about. It is all about stocks, like, "sell 500 GOOG right now" or "do you want me to bring you a sandwich?" but I still do not want people with scanners like you hear it. I actually use the telephone line most of the time but need a back up system since once in a while the phones do fail. How do you go about listening to encrypted conversations, I am curious? You know I have a full respect for the law but I would hate to be ridiculous. We had a local vhf channel that at one time had Berts Pizza and a few delivery cars, a cement truck company, a school, and a fire fighting outfit showed on the same channel during a forest fire. No body used call signs, but it was very entertaining. We call it the "E" channel, hehehehehehehhehe Jay in the Mojave ALEXB wrote: I've been granted an FCC license for a GMRS radio (ZA category), which I use in my business, and found on their website that my call sign is... WQCTxxx. It is a seven character combination or capital letters and digits. What does it mean and how can I use it? My "radio" is a small handheld walkie-talkie with 4W max power output. Where is the call number in there? Shall I use it when I talk to my counterpart: "Hello, this is WQCTxxx, please, report to me?" Is it all to it? Like a caller ID only in the air? Is there a set of rules describing the proper use of it? Thanks |
"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message ... On Sat, 28 May 2005 08:12:38 -0400, ALEXB wrote: Yes, I am fed up with people harvesting my email address and sending junk. Until a legislation is enacted to protect Internet users I will remain anonymous. They have but it doesn't seem to be doing much good as of now. You're not as anonymous as you may think. Your home IP shows in the headers. If you have a way to turn it off I would advise doing so unless you don't care or can't as many people find out. Also you should turn off your Ping (Echo) response too unless you need it on. Sometimes I turn mine on when I'm doing some testing or network configuration modifications. At least you don't seem to have any ports hanging open. I did a quick port scan of your system so if you have any logging enabled my port scanning it'll show up there so don't worry about it. ------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 08:12:38 -0400 From: "ALEXB" Lines: 28 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 07:14:01 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.40.200.77 Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb Path: local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!new s.comcast.com.POSTED!not-f or-mail References: Subject: FCC license X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: X-DMCA-Complaints-To: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 X-Priority: 3 X-Trace: sv3-lEStMSy0m78LOK5D0y9rxiC5oMgZZ8PW8tR8EdFTJtkKWFi4JH 09qYxEyUyJgDZZEJ0e9W3i M6fJTJm!QorZ1PCHhzWQ/jr+fkCe2kSTBfAGku8SAvZ33Z4TLcSUruQaD/p776+UU3Uf0yU8D5dq /LEGN3Gw!caM= Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.radio.cb:398351 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain --------------------------------------------------------------------- [Querying whois.arin.net] [whois.arin.net] Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. JUMPSTART-1 (NET-68-32-0-0-1) 68.32.0.0 - 68.63.255.255 Comcast Cable Communications, Inc MICHIGAN-A-1 (NET-68-40-0-0-1) 68.40.0.0 - 68.41.255.255 # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-05-27 19:10 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. While that may not do much good for finding your E-mail address it gives them a start. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO Thanks a lot, much appreciated. I have a ZoneAlarm. It probably guards the ports jealously, I assume. I will take care of IP address shielding in the coming days since I am getting a static one next week. |
"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message ... On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:06:44 -0400, alexb wrote: Aside from what you just said which is valuable, I want to point out that my communications, I hate to say it, are encrypted. That small GMRS has 15 or so codes and multiplied by the number of channels I can use (from the top of my head from the 12th I would take what he said about call sign usage with a grain of salt. It's no different than somebody telling you it's OK to do 20 over on the highway because they never saw a cop. Yeah you might get away with it for a long time, but sooner or later you'll get nailed. Also consider you're trying to use it for business, that gives the licensed users an extra incentive to report you. Now for your comment above, if your talking about those so-called "privacy codes", forget it. They don't encrypt anything. What they're for is to keep other radios from opening up the squelch for every transmission on that channel except for the one using that code. That way you don't have to be bothered listening to transmission you're not interested in. Anybody with a scanner can still hear everything you say. One more thing, if you read the rules about station ID it states clearly that you must ID either in English or Mose Code on the GMRS channels. That basically ends any sort of encrypted transmission on GMRS. You may find FRS radios using "voice inversion" scrambling, but then again you have to have all matching radios typically from the same manufacture and most people who are serious monitors have ways to unscramble the signal anyway, either using hardware or some software based technique using a computer sound card. The best rule to observe is assume that somebody can hear you regardless of what kind of transmission you make scrambled, or in the clear. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO WPYJ972 Thanks, Do I have to get a second license for the second walkie-talkie that works vis-a-vie of mine? I am not paranoid about encrypting. There is basically nothing I need to hide. I just do not want to broadcast what I am doing unnecessarily across town. When I talk to people I know I am very open about it. All I want to do is to take MINIMAL precautions with minimal cost involved. Thanks. |
"Jay in the Mojave" wrote in message ... Hello Alexb: Yeah I wouldn't give the call sign thing too much concern especially with low low power and hand held operation. But I would ID if any one asked. Highly unlikely. And even more unlikely in areas that are not heavily populated. I don't think the codes your talking about are encrypted your signal. I believe those are digital squelch codes that allow the other radio to open its squelch. So scanner radios will be able to hear the conversation. I am sure you can talk around the subject that you are framilur with. I buy scanners at yard sales for something different to listen to. And just listen to what ever they have programed in, or what ever crystal channels are in the scanner. We have a local Tow Truck company here that talks around everything. Except when Marge gets hammered on Friday afternoons hehehehehehe. I haven't a clue how to listen to encrypted signals?!?!?!?!? sorry. Why would you want to? Just a bunch of guys saying Ten-4 and 2180 to headquarters. Jay in the Mojave Thank you. |
"General Mobile Radio Service |nformation" wrote in message ... "ALEXB" wrote in : Thanks for telling me that but I think I am fine. I am not incorporated. I have one employee. I applied as an individual. I filled out an application on their website at www.wireless.fcc.gov/usl/ and I do not remember if they asked me about my business name. Anyway, I used my office address as I recall. It is too confusing for me to understand in all its entirety since I have too many other things to worry about. Regardless, you still cannot use GMRS to conduct business. GMRS is strictly for families and non-business groups. Once you ID with your callsign as required, you open yourself up to being reported. Nonetheless, I applaud you for getting a license :) That is great :) Let me ask you another question. For my counterpart to use their GMRS I have to get a second license (Yes/No)--I guess the answer is yes? Yes. The regs only permit family members to utilize the same license/callsign. That second license can be had as if it is attached to my existing account which now has the first license on it that is discussed here (Yes/No)? Nope. The other person must apply on their own name and such. They'll beed their own FRN and all that. Very interesting. Thanks. You've saved me lots of time. I don't really need a crowd to join. You, guys, are giving me almost more than I need to orient myself to the wireless world:) Even so, a lot of useful information can be had. You'll also get a great deal of good advice. |
On Sat, 28 May 2005 20:56:38 -0400, ALEXB wrote:
Thanks, Do I have to get a second license for the second walkie-talkie that works vis-a-vie of mine? In general no. The license you have should cover all the radios in use and under your control. For example if it was for a family it would cover all the members in the house hold. I am not paranoid about encrypting. There is basically nothing I need to hide. I just do not want to broadcast what I am doing unnecessarily across town. When I talk to people I know I am very open about it. All I want to do is to take MINIMAL precautions with minimal cost involved. Well just keep in mind anything you say on the air is going to have many "ears" hearing you. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
On Sat, 28 May 2005 20:48:56 -0400, ALEXB wrote:
Thanks a lot, much appreciated. I have a ZoneAlarm. It probably guards the ports jealously, I assume. It seems to be doing the job. Any kind of firewall is better than none. You do need to turn off your Ping (ICMP Echo) response however if you don't need it. I was getting Pings back from your IP. Many network programs won't even bother doing anything if they don't detect a host at the given IP address. It helps to keep your system from being "molested" on the Internet. Some people however deliberately leave their system open a bit just so they can capture the IP's of potential intruders in a log file. I feel sorry for the dumb-dumbs, intruders, who fall for that. They get what's coming to them sooner or later if the owner of the system is a good system hacker and ticked off about it. God help them, the dummy intruders, cause they're going to need it. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
"General Mobile Radio Service |nformation" wrote in message ... "ALEXB" wrote in : Thanks for telling me that but I think I am fine. I am not incorporated. I have one employee. I applied as an individual. I filled out an application on their website at www.wireless.fcc.gov/usl/ and I do not remember if they asked me about my business name. Anyway, I used my office address as I recall. It is too confusing for me to understand in all its entirety since I have too many other things to worry about. Regardless, you still cannot use GMRS to conduct business. GMRS is strictly for families and non-business groups. Once you ID with your callsign as required, you open yourself up to being reported. Nonetheless, I applaud you for getting a license :) That is great :) OK, what is the solution for me that won't run afoul with the law? Would a CB radio be the one? What type of radios can I use for a two way communications, conducted occasionally with high degree of reliability on demand? As I mentioned, The two points are five blocks apart downtown a Midwestern city with a lot of structures in between. The conversations will (or rather, may) be done during business hours between 9:00 and 4:00 EST. I want to make sure that when I turned that radio on: (1) I can contact my partner immediately (2) in any weather (3) there is minimal interference. As I mentioned, it is a back up system for me. I am using VoIP phone lines most of the time but my office on the other end of the communication line has to have at least one line landbased. In any event, on a few occasions because of construction nearby the lines have been interrupted recently. I need a backup to fall onto in case of future problems. Thanks |
"ALEXB" wrote in
: OK, what is the solution for me that won't run afoul with the law? Would a CB radio be the one? What type of radios can I use for a two way communications, conducted occasionally with high degree of reliability on demand? As I mentioned, The two points are five blocks apart downtown a Midwestern city with a lot of structures in between. The conversations will (or rather, may) be done during business hours between 9:00 and 4:00 EST. I want to make sure that when I turned that radio on: (1) I can contact my partner immediately (2) in any weather (3) there is minimal interference. As I mentioned, it is a back up system for me. I am using VoIP phone lines most of the time but my office on the other end of the communication line has to have at least one line landbased. In any event, on a few occasions because of construction nearby the lines have been interrupted recently. I need a backup to fall onto in case of future problems. See the forum on GMRS..... It is entirely possible I was wrong before.... your assessment of the regs may have been correct. A business cannot license itdelf.... BUT if each individual IN the business licenses, THEN it may be legal. Discussion in the other forum may clear this up..... If I was wrong... I apologize for the error. As for VOIP..... That has created extreme controversy in the GMRS community. We are waiting for an FCC ruling on theis. It appears it may be totally illegal, since rules forbid any GMRS traffic being transmitted over phone lines. CB is NOT the way to go for business comms. Handheld radios are bulky, other users are rude. The license free Family Radio Service (FRS), The Multi Use Radio Service (MURS), or the business radio service can be used. MURS and BRS both have expensive equipment costs. FRS is similar to GMRS, except you can only use handhelds with a 500 mW power limit. Regardless.... since you are now on GMRS Web, you can get your questions answered with zero margin for error. |
"ALEXB" wrote in message ... OK, what is the solution for me that won't run afoul with the law? Would a CB radio be the one? What type of radios can I use for a two way communications, conducted occasionally with high degree of reliability on demand? As I mentioned, The two points are five blocks apart downtown a Midwestern city with a lot of structures in between. The conversations will (or rather, may) be done during business hours between 9:00 and 4:00 EST. I want to make sure that when I turned that radio on: (1) I can contact my partner immediately (2) in any weather (3) there is minimal interference. As I mentioned, it is a back up system for me. I am using VoIP phone lines most of the time but my office on the other end of the communication line has to have at least one line landbased. In any event, on a few occasions because of construction nearby the lines have been interrupted recently. I need a backup to fall onto in case of future problems. Personally, I'd recommend the new(er) MURS band. This is license free, and is definitely capable of going 5 blocks. Of course, blocks are different lengths in different locations, but either way, I wouldn't think that you would run into any problems. MURS consists of 5 frequencies (channels) that were once used for licensed business communications, but are now available for public (and business) use, license free. There are three frequencies in the 151.XXX MHz range, and two in the 154.XXX MHz range. If you were to utilize one of the 151.XXX MHz freqs., you would minimize your chance of interference, as the most readily used freqs. were the 154.XXX MHz ones. This band can also utilize CTCSS tone codes to further minimize interference. Another plus is that there are LOTS of high quality radios on the used market that utilize these frequencies because of the fact that they used to be licensed business band freqs. Do a little internet searching for MURS, I bet it will fit what you are looking for, and be a LOT cheaper to boot if you go with used equipment... |
"PowerHouse Communications" wrote in message ... "ALEXB" wrote in message ... OK, what is the solution for me that won't run afoul with the law? Would a CB radio be the one? What type of radios can I use for a two way communications, conducted occasionally with high degree of reliability on demand? As I mentioned, The two points are five blocks apart downtown a Midwestern city with a lot of structures in between. The conversations will (or rather, may) be done during business hours between 9:00 and 4:00 EST. I want to make sure that when I turned that radio on: (1) I can contact my partner immediately (2) in any weather (3) there is minimal interference. As I mentioned, it is a back up system for me. I am using VoIP phone lines most of the time but my office on the other end of the communication line has to have at least one line landbased. In any event, on a few occasions because of construction nearby the lines have been interrupted recently. I need a backup to fall onto in case of future problems. Personally, I'd recommend the new(er) MURS band. This is license free, and is definitely capable of going 5 blocks. Of course, blocks are different lengths in different locations, but either way, I wouldn't think that you would run into any problems. MURS consists of 5 frequencies (channels) that were once used for licensed business communications, but are now available for public (and business) use, license free. There are three frequencies in the 151.XXX MHz range, and two in the 154.XXX MHz range. If you were to utilize one of the 151.XXX MHz freqs., you would minimize your chance of interference, as the most readily used freqs. were the 154.XXX MHz ones. This band can also utilize CTCSS tone codes to further minimize interference. Another plus is that there are LOTS of high quality radios on the used market that utilize these frequencies because of the fact that they used to be licensed business band freqs. Do a little internet searching for MURS, I bet it will fit what you are looking for, and be a LOT cheaper to boot if you go with used equipment... Thanks, an online university for me. |
"General Mobile Radio Service |nformation" wrote in message ... "ALEXB" wrote in : OK, what is the solution for me that won't run afoul with the law? Would a CB radio be the one? What type of radios can I use for a two way communications, conducted occasionally with high degree of reliability on demand? As I mentioned, The two points are five blocks apart downtown a Midwestern city with a lot of structures in between. The conversations will (or rather, may) be done during business hours between 9:00 and 4:00 EST. I want to make sure that when I turned that radio on: (1) I can contact my partner immediately (2) in any weather (3) there is minimal interference. As I mentioned, it is a back up system for me. I am using VoIP phone lines most of the time but my office on the other end of the communication line has to have at least one line landbased. In any event, on a few occasions because of construction nearby the lines have been interrupted recently. I need a backup to fall onto in case of future problems. See the forum on GMRS..... It is entirely possible I was wrong before.... your assessment of the regs may have been correct. A business cannot license itdelf.... BUT if each individual IN the business licenses, THEN it may be legal. Discussion in the other forum may clear this up..... If I was wrong... I apologize for the error. As for VOIP..... That has created extreme controversy in the GMRS community. We are waiting for an FCC ruling on theis. It appears it may be totally illegal, since rules forbid any GMRS traffic being transmitted over phone lines. CB is NOT the way to go for business comms. Handheld radios are bulky, other users are rude. The license free Family Radio Service (FRS), The Multi Use Radio Service (MURS), or the business radio service can be used. MURS and BRS both have expensive equipment costs. FRS is similar to GMRS, except you can only use handhelds with a 500 mW power limit. Regardless.... since you are now on GMRS Web, you can get your questions answered with zero margin for error. Thank you. |
Yes, grab a cb and a BIG "Leen-e-air" (you'll be stuck with a 5-watt walkie talkie if on foot frown) and join the rest of them!!!! Go freeband (just above cb freqs, or just below if you need less populated chans--couse, you will find a lot of mexicans on these freqs.)
Really too bad you are not a ham--then you could use your 10 meter equip (like a notable number of hams do) on 11 meters--those multi-kilowatt "leen-e-airs" some of the hams bootleg with are the real key!!! Warmest regards, John "ALEXB" wrote in message ... "General Mobile Radio Service |nformation" wrote in message ... "ALEXB" wrote in : Thanks for telling me that but I think I am fine. I am not incorporated. I have one employee. I applied as an individual. I filled out an application on their website at www.wireless.fcc.gov/usl/ and I do not remember if they asked me about my business name. Anyway, I used my office address as I recall. It is too confusing for me to understand in all its entirety since I have too many other things to worry about. Regardless, you still cannot use GMRS to conduct business. GMRS is strictly for families and non-business groups. Once you ID with your callsign as required, you open yourself up to being reported. Nonetheless, I applaud you for getting a license :) That is great :) OK, what is the solution for me that won't run afoul with the law? Would a CB radio be the one? What type of radios can I use for a two way communications, conducted occasionally with high degree of reliability on demand? As I mentioned, The two points are five blocks apart downtown a Midwestern city with a lot of structures in between. The conversations will (or rather, may) be done during business hours between 9:00 and 4:00 EST. I want to make sure that when I turned that radio on: (1) I can contact my partner immediately (2) in any weather (3) there is minimal interference. As I mentioned, it is a back up system for me. I am using VoIP phone lines most of the time but my office on the other end of the communication line has to have at least one line landbased. In any event, on a few occasions because of construction nearby the lines have been interrupted recently. I need a backup to fall onto in case of future problems. Thanks |
OK, what is the solution for me that won't run afoul with the law? Would a
CB radio be the one? What type of radios can I use for a two way communications, conducted occasionally with high degree of reliability on demand? As I mentioned, The two points are five blocks apart downtown a Midwestern city with a lot of structures in between. The conversations will (or rather, may) be done during business hours between 9:00 and 4:00 EST. I want to make sure that when I turned that radio on: (1) I can contact my partner immediately (2) in any weather (3) there is minimal interference. As I mentioned, it is a back up system for me. I am using VoIP phone lines most of the time but my office on the other end of the communication line has to have at least one line landbased. In any event, on a few occasions because of construction nearby the lines have been interrupted recently. I need a backup to fall onto in case of future problems. Try MURS, a Part 95 VHF radio service. It allows 2 watts, gain antennas, and VHF works better in the simplex mode then UHF. The allowed freqs a 151.820 151.880 151.940 154.570 154.600 The last 2 are used by fast food drive thru's but are wider bandwidth frequencies allowing more equipment to be compatable. More info can be found at http://www.provide.net/~prsg/ just don't believe all Stewart's BS. |
Try MURS, a Part 95 VHF radio service. It allows 2 watts, gain antennas,
and VHF works better in the simplex mode then UHF. The allowed freqs a 151.820 151.880 151.940 154.570 154.600 The last 2 are used by fast food drive thru's but are wider bandwidth frequencies allowing more equipment to be compatable. More info can be found at http://www.provide.net/~prsg/ just don't believe all Stewart's BS. Oh yeah, don't use freqs in VHF that you aren't allowed. There is no room to play around in that range. There are public service freqs above and below these freqs. Laugh at these idiots: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-258870A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-258056A1.html My favorite idiot to laugh at, Jack Gerritsen: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-256484A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-255042A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2005/DA-05-534A1.html |
"Scott in Baltimore" wrote in message ... Try MURS, a Part 95 VHF radio service. It allows 2 watts, gain antennas, and VHF works better in the simplex mode then UHF. The allowed freqs a 151.820 151.880 151.940 154.570 154.600 The last 2 are used by fast food drive thru's but are wider bandwidth frequencies allowing more equipment to be compatable. More info can be found at http://www.provide.net/~prsg/ just don't believe all Stewart's BS. Oh yeah, don't use freqs in VHF that you aren't allowed. There is no room to play around in that range. There are public service freqs above and below these freqs. Laugh at these idiots: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-258870A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-258056A1.html My favorite idiot to laugh at, Jack Gerritsen: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-256484A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-255042A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2005/DA-05-534A1.html Whoops, very interesting! Personally, in fact, I do not have the know-how and inclination to transmit outside of what my purchased device would do and I have no need to do it. The channels I tried are pretty empty most of the time. Of course, the issue of the distance is a different story, but still I doubt I would go out on the lam with another category in a different frequency range. Still it is kind of interesting to know. Thanks a lot. Very valuable stuff. It will get stuck in my database forever. A pretty dramatic world you are living in guys. I feel now I've got enough of basic knowledge. What I really need it to pick up some slang:) Thanks, |
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On Tue, 31 May 2005 10:32:10 -0400, I AmnotGeorgeBush wrote:
Leland is confused. Strong opinions, yes, confused, no. Contrary to what he claimed, sooner or later people do NOT get nailed for such actions. Listen to the cb, channel 6 or any other channel where dx is rampant. There's no DX in that sense on the GMRS frequencies. A quick peep into the records of the FCC busts reveals the way things really are. Leland likes to cite the exception and -not-the norm of how the feds operate. Perhaps, but he is looking to use it in a business setting. You operate your marine rig without an FCC license by the way? And if you don't, why? I'm just asking for the heck of it. Even if you were to get the attention of the feds and get "nailed", you must be served with a warning notice alerting you to the violation and an order to cease the illegal activity, as Leland's examples cite. In fact, most cited are guilty of repeat offenses after receiving multiple warnings. True enough, they do try to give people a break before they impose any fines. The idea is to give them a chance to clean up their act. Some don't and some plain don't care, that's when when they get to make a contribution to the US Treasury. And if that doesn't work, then some free room and board for several years at government expense is next. It's much better not to let things even get to the point of a warning letter. The chances of getting busted are slim to slimmer unless someone complains. This is where I have to disagree to an extend. There are licensed users on the channels who are not going to be happy with unlicensed operation. Remember the licensed uses "paid for their right", by receiving a license from the FCC, to use those channels. On the combo FRS/GMRS channels its hard to tell who is or is not licensed. On the strictly GMRS channels any unlicensed operation is going to stick out like a sore thumb. And the licensed people do complain to the FCC because they don't want the sort of unlicensed activity on the combo channels spreading to the GMRS only channels. When people have to identify themselves they tend to act better on the air. Even then, the feds must actually witness any violation before any action other than a warning notice is issued. By the time you get the warning letter they tape recordings etc. already. They don't issue a warning letter unless they, the FCC, is first satisfied a violation had already occurred. Why do you think they aways request tapes etc. from people filing a complaint with the FCC? Read some of the FCC warning letters. You'll see where they state they have recordings etc. already just to make a point with some violators. Anyway he should have enough opinions by now from all sides to make an informed choice. Regards, Leland C. Scott KC8LDO |
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