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The Magnum September 12th 05 06:44 PM


Hey, -- Magnum -- that's just a brand of rubber, isn't it?

Is it, titter titter that was so funny....ha ahahaha youll never need

one
as
your just a little pecker.... yawl have a nice day now


You'll need one, you big dickhead.


Yes i am rather well endowed.... nice of you to notice but i dont bat

your
way so kindly keep your eyes off...


You likely don't bat at all.


Which shows really you know nothing about me and are quite an immature name
caller...



The Magnum September 12th 05 06:46 PM


wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:56:06 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:13:08 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in

message
...
U-Know-Who wrote:
Well, if you ignore their cooking...
--

Now really, how creative can you get with horsemeat, potatoes, and
cabbage?



Horsemeat.... I thought at first glance you'd written "horse****".

You
wouldn't
have been far off if you had.



Ha haa hahahahaa aha pot and kettles with black included mate. Every

country
knows the truth with that one, i wont push it further..


English five-star hotel -- one with French cooks.


Id say American 5 star hotel, with a Fatty Arbuckles or McDonalds

franchise



but you already know that...

Best you can do for a smiug-**** reply?

If we'd let the Germans have you in WWII, you'd at least have
a marginally better "cuisine" right now.


You do sprawl some absolute drivel. Id get out a bit more if i was you....




The Magnum September 12th 05 06:52 PM


wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:59:13 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:11:01 GMT, "U-Know-Who"
wrote:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. 18...
On Thu 08 Sep 2005 06:14:23p, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
wrote in message
:

The Magnum wrote:
I think you will find your ancestors are english, unless your a

red
indian you halfwit. Or a Peurto Rican scumbag. The people who came

into
contact with The British Empire learnt "well some of you did" how

to
become civilised. If it wasnt for the Likes of the British Empire

you
would be running round in animalskin pants with a spear and live

in a
mud hut.... so blow it out your ass chummy.........


You guys are civilized now? When did that happen?

I really need to get out more....


Well, if you ignore their cooking...

-=jd=-
--

Now really, how creative can you get with horsemeat, potatoes, and

cabbage?


Put enough curry in it and you can gag it down. Some people
forget which way civilization lowed in this regard.


So come on then mr food critic, give us an insight into what you eat then
which puts you in a position to criticise or even to know what your

typing
about... and what do you mean by civilisation lowed in this regard... its

a
bit of a strange statement...


Flowed, jerkoff. You have no gift for context. You're simply
unwilling to admit the only thing to recommend eating in England is
that which you were given by those you subjugated, natve English
"cuisine" is pasty crap.


Well given the standard of your spelling how are we supposed to know what
you are on about. And as for gift of context the utter drivel you spout is
quite amusing. It also lets others know you are quite immature and dont know
an awful lot. If I was to get down to the same level as you I would say all
you americans eat are donuts, turkey and mcdonalds..... thats the steriotype
which i know not to be true... now you need to realise what you know is
untrue too...



The Magnum September 12th 05 06:59 PM


"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
...
"The Magnum" wrote:

The British police do carry guns, but only specially trained officers

not
every rookie cop.


Specially trained, like that lot who killed the brazilian guy?

Some training. Don't get ID. Take a leak instead of watching your
subject. Chase him down, again without ID. Pin him to a seat in the
Tube. THEN shoot.

Sorry, I don't give a rat**** about these "my country is better than
yours" threads but do NOT give me this "Specially trained" bull****.
That was an amateur screw up, that cost an innocent man his life.


One occurance and the Brazilian guy was so innocent his address was found in
one of the un-exploded back packs. The only thing he was innocent of was
that he wasnt actually carrying a bomb and probably wasnt part of the 5 bomb
assault team that day. What about the American Police who shoot to kill then
ask questions later.... your saying this doesnt happen?
As far as my country is better than your country goes, i have never said
that and nor will i. I have a huge amount of respect for America and its
people.. well, most of its people... and you will find if you knew me at all
i take as i find.. if people are nice to me i am nice back. I am nice to
people who i dont know... until they make me dislike them... The specially
trained quote is true... they are not normal Bobbies on the Beat.. but that
said, even specially trained people screw up sometimes, its a fact of life.



The Magnum September 12th 05 07:00 PM


"Honus" wrote in message
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"The Magnum" wrote in message
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"Honus" wrote in message
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"The Magnum" wrote in message
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Well, if you ignore their cooking...

Whats wrong with list deleted

The way you "cook" it.


Which way is that??


Badly?


In what way is it cooked badly?? and to what are you referring to?? if your
going to make a statement at least "put some meat on the bones"



I AmnotGeorgeBush September 12th 05 07:01 PM

From: =A0=A0 "The Magnum" Group:
=A0=A0
alt.tasteless,rec.radio.amateur.swap,rec.radio.cb, rec.radio.shortwave

Subject: =A0 CNN: New Orleans Hospital
Burning - Resue Aircraft Taking & Returning Fire

Date: =A0=A0 Sun, Sep 11, 2005, 10:02am (EDT+5) X-Trace:
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
k35454 wrote:
;oP even our cops dont eat donuts ;o)

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0That's why they don't let them carry guns.


--
?
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
-
The British police do carry guns, but only


specially trained officers not every rookie cop.


Unlike the US and although gun crime in the


UK is growing were nowhere near in as much


trouble as to need every officer to be gun


bearing.. and what was that i heard on the


news.... supermarkets were robbed of their


guns by looters...... supermarkets sell guns


???? what sort of crazy **** is that?? youll be


giving them away free with every box of bran


flakes next ;o)



American Walmarts and other stores regularly
carry guns, liquor and ammo for your pleasure and shopping convenience.
1-stop shopping, donchaknow!


The Magnum September 12th 05 07:07 PM


wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:37:40 +0100, "The Magnum Dickum"
wrote:


"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
The Magnum wrote:

Americans enslaved blacks and nearly wiped out the Native Americans

because
they wanted to take the land... the wars with the north and south,
confederates and yankies were some of the nastiest and uncivilised

conflicts
in your history and you were well established as Americans at that

time
and
was not down to the British Empire.... i dont know where you learned

your
history but wherever it was.. if it was... id sue them (hope that

wasnt
too
cheap a shot)


Actually, different tribes were constantly fighting, and took slaves
when they didn't just kill them. Later, they discovered that they

could
sell or trade their slaves for things that they wanted with the ships
that arrived on the African coast to trade goods. A lot of those ships
were from England, and they took the slaves to other places to sell
them.

--
?

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


So Michael, the point you make here is that the different tribes in

America
were already into slavery and used them to barter with the English for

goods
and suchlike therefore making my point that slavery wasnt a result of the
good old British Colonies... They may have been involved in the
transportation of slaves for profilt but that wasnt the point. The

previous
post said, or tried to imply it was the British Colonies that introduced
slavery where that simply wasnt the case.

Also most of the slaves who ended up in Britain werent treated quite as
badly in comparison although they probably didnt think so at the time.

Anyhows this has lead a little off topic as so many threads do, but its

nice
to actually have a converstaion about things rather than cheap insults.
Thank you..


Read for comprehension -- he said, "ships that arrived on the
African coast". Doesn't sound to NA, does it?


Comprehension is a big word for you to spell correctly, its a shame the rest
of it isnt too good... Let me say to you once more The British Empire didnt
bring slavery to America, you managed that by yourself quite sucessfully.
BTW slavery was around in the days long before the "British Empire", slavery
even today is a way of life for many people.



The Magnum September 12th 05 07:13 PM


"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
The Magnum wrote:

So Michael, the point you make here is that the different tribes in

America
were already into slavery and used them to barter with the English for

goods
and suchlike therefore making my point that slavery wasnt a result of

the
good old British Colonies... They may have been involved in the
transportation of slaves for profilt but that wasnt the point. The

previous
post said, or tried to imply it was the British Colonies that introduced
slavery where that simply wasnt the case.

Also most of the slaves who ended up in Britain werent treated quite as
badly in comparison although they probably didnt think so at the time.

Anyhows this has lead a little off topic as so many threads do, but its

nice
to actually have a converstaion about things rather than cheap insults.
Thank you..



The British ships that arrived on the US coast wanted cotton to take
to England. That is where they finally got paid. Then they restocked
the ship with goods for Africa and repeated the cycle. All they had when
they arrived on the shores of the US to trade their cargo was a ship
load of slaves and a few manufactured goods from England. They traded
both of them for cotton.

Only an idiot would mistreat any worker that was doing their best.
After all, if you kill all the help you won't make enough money to live,
will you? And then there were "Indentured servants" who traded a number
of years or labor for passage to the US, and were basically slaves
during that time. Legally they were the property of whoever paid their
way, till their time was up.

I never said I approved of any slavery. On the other hand there were
people of every race who were held in slavery at one time or another
throughout the history of mankind, and this still doesn't make it right
at any time.

--
?

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Please dont think for one minute i support or ever did support slavery...
because i dont and you know, as well as i that slavery still goes on in many
countrys today, especially some third world countrys but there is also still
a lot of it in the US and to a degree the UK too. I have no problems with
the comments you have made Michael and on the whole i agree with you.
The whole arguement on this thread was someone whit half a brain saying it
was the British Empire that created slavery.. and it simply isnt true. All i
pointed out was that slavery was massive in the US and you even had internal
wars over it so to have a go at the UK over slavery was a bit idiotic.
Cheers...



The Magnum September 12th 05 07:24 PM


Actually it was the british colonies that introduced slavery in
America.
The first imported African slaves brought to the British North
American colonies were landed at Jamestown, Virginia in 1619.

Long before the U.S.A. existed.

In the 17th century, slavery was used as punishment by conquering
English Parliament armies against native Catholics in Ireland. Between
the years 1649 and 1653, during the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland by
the New Model Army under the command of Oliver Cromwell, thousands of
Irish Catholics were forced into slavery. Cromwell had a deeply
religious antipathy to the Catholic religion and Irish Catholics who
had participated in Confederate Ireland had all their land confiscated
and were transported to the West Indies as slaves.


Actually it was the british colonies that introduced slavery in
America.
The first imported African slaves brought to the British North
American colonies were landed at Jamestown, Virginia in 1619.

Long before the U.S.A. existed.

In the 17th century, slavery was used as punishment by conquering
English Parliament armies against native Catholics in Ireland. Between
the years 1649 and 1653, during the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland by
the New Model Army under the command of Oliver Cromwell, thousands of
Irish Catholics were forced into slavery. Cromwell had a deeply
religious antipathy to the Catholic religion and Irish Catholics who
had participated in Confederate Ireland had all their land confiscated
and were transported to the West Indies as slaves.

Eh?? why are you telling me this?? I didnt say and never have that slavery
never existed in the UK and i never said The British Empire didnt condone
and use slavery. But the English never introduced slavery to the US

Chronology Of The History Of Slavery: 1619-1789

1619
The other crucial event that would play a role in the development of America
was the arrival of Africans to Jamestown. A Dutch slave trader exchanged his
cargo of Africans for food in 1619. The Africans became indentured servants,
similar in legal position to many poor Englishmen who traded several years
labor in exchange for passage to America. The popular conception of a
racial-based slave system did not develop until the 1680's. (A Brief History
of Jamestown, The Association for the Preservation of Virginia Antiquities,
Richmond, VA 23220, email: , Web published February, 2000)

Note the word DUTCH....
Regards,
Graham



The Magnum September 12th 05 07:26 PM


So who are your ancestors... where did they originate from?


Ireland.


Yes indeed, it explains your attitude... did you hear about the Rioting in
Belfast yesterday BTW...shocking... just animals....



The Magnum September 12th 05 07:27 PM


"Lancer" wrote in message
news:4326996c.11367359@2355323778...
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:36:42 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:

You *******s have ****ed over every country or civilization
you ever came into contact with. British Empire my ass.


I think you will find your ancestors are english, unless your a red

indian
you halfwit. Or a Peurto Rican scumbag. The people who came into contact
with The British Empire learnt "well some of you did" how to become
civilised. If it wasnt for the Likes of the British Empire you would be
running round in animalskin pants with a spear and live in a mud hut....

so
blow it out your ass chummy.........


Come on now, you think everyone in the U.S.A. ancestors are english?


Not at all but a good many of them are... thats also why your common
language is English....



The Magnum September 12th 05 07:30 PM

American Walmarts and other stores regularly
carry guns, liquor and ammo for your pleasure and shopping convenience.
1-stop shopping, donchaknow!

Absolutely... we know this but what sort of restraints are there on the
average "Jo Shopper" from purchasing a gun from one of these places? There
must be some kind of control surely?



Mortimer Schnerd, RN September 12th 05 07:33 PM

The Magnum wrote:
Come on now, you think everyone in the U.S.A. ancestors are english?


Not at all but a good many of them are... thats also why your common
language is English....



Driving down South Boulevard this morning, you'd have thought our common
language was Spanish.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Oye, Gingo Asshole"



I AmnotGeorgeBush September 12th 05 07:40 PM

From: (The=A0Magnum)
American Walmarts and other stores regularly carry guns, liquor and ammo
for your pleasure and shopping convenience. 1-stop shopping, donchaknow!

Absolutely... we know this but what sort of


restraints are there on the average "Jo


Shopper" from purchasing a gun from one of


these places?


States enact their own laws regarding this. There are federal (national)
laws that apply, such as no felon may be in possession of a firearm. In
Florida, there is a wait period..I think it's two days, not sure, as I
haven't purchased a gun in many, many years. The wait period is
designed as and frequently referred to as a "cooling off" period so
someone who is ****ed right off cant simply walk in and buy a gun and
walk out and go kill someone with it. Of course, this is where arguments
of how effective the gun laws are come in to play, as there is no
waiting period for a shotgun or rifle, only handguns.

There must be some kind of control surely?


If that's what you want to call it. Besides, those who commit crimes
with guns in the US are usually already criminals for other reasons.


The Magnum September 12th 05 09:10 PM


"Lancer" wrote in message
news:4325d050.25419343@2355323778...
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:24:48 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


Actually it was the british colonies that introduced slavery in
America.
The first imported African slaves brought to the British North
American colonies were landed at Jamestown, Virginia in 1619.

Long before the U.S.A. existed.

In the 17th century, slavery was used as punishment by conquering
English Parliament armies against native Catholics in Ireland. Between
the years 1649 and 1653, during the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland by
the New Model Army under the command of Oliver Cromwell, thousands of
Irish Catholics were forced into slavery. Cromwell had a deeply
religious antipathy to the Catholic religion and Irish Catholics who
had participated in Confederate Ireland had all their land confiscated
and were transported to the West Indies as slaves.


Actually it was the british colonies that introduced slavery in
America.
The first imported African slaves brought to the British North
American colonies were landed at Jamestown, Virginia in 1619.

Long before the U.S.A. existed.

In the 17th century, slavery was used as punishment by conquering
English Parliament armies against native Catholics in Ireland. Between
the years 1649 and 1653, during the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland by
the New Model Army under the command of Oliver Cromwell, thousands of
Irish Catholics were forced into slavery. Cromwell had a deeply
religious antipathy to the Catholic religion and Irish Catholics who
had participated in Confederate Ireland had all their land confiscated
and were transported to the West Indies as slaves.

Eh?? why are you telling me this?? I didnt say and never have that

slavery
never existed in the UK and i never said The British Empire didnt condone
and use slavery. But the English never introduced slavery to the US


Yes it was directed to you.

Because the British did introduce slavery to the U.S.



Chronology Of The History Of Slavery: 1619-1789

1619
The other crucial event that would play a role in the development of

America
was the arrival of Africans to Jamestown. A Dutch slave trader exchanged

his
cargo of Africans for food in 1619. The Africans became indentured

servants,
similar in legal position to many poor Englishmen who traded several

years
labor in exchange for passage to America. The popular conception of a
racial-based slave system did not develop until the 1680's. (A Brief

History
of Jamestown, The Association for the Preservation of Virginia

Antiquities,
Richmond, VA 23220, email: , Web published February, 2000)

Note the word DUTCH....
Regards,
Graham


Yes note the word Dutch, as, British colonization imported 21 slaves
from a Dutch frigate to the colony in Jamestown, Virginia in 1619,
three of whom are known to have been named Isabella, Antoney and
Pedro. Isabella and Antoney had later given birth to a slave boy named
William. This "William Tucker" is now considered the first African
American born in the English colonies in North America. The Dutch
delivered them, the British enslaved them.

Note the word British....


Dont you think if the DUTCH person SOLD them to the ENGLISH colonies then
they were ALREADY slaves???



The Magnum September 12th 05 09:12 PM


"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
m...
The Magnum wrote:
Come on now, you think everyone in the U.S.A. ancestors are english?


Not at all but a good many of them are... thats also why your common
language is English....



Driving down South Boulevard this morning, you'd have thought our common
language was Spanish.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Oye, Gingo Asshole"


Indeed, if you were to drive down Sparkbrook in Birmingham UK you would
think the common language was Urdu ;o)



The Magnum September 12th 05 09:14 PM


"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:27:37 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"Lancer" wrote in message
news:4326996c.11367359@2355323778...
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:36:42 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:

You *******s have ****ed over every country or civilization
you ever came into contact with. British Empire my ass.

I think you will find your ancestors are english, unless your a red

indian
you halfwit. Or a Peurto Rican scumbag. The people who came into

contact
with The British Empire learnt "well some of you did" how to become
civilised. If it wasnt for the Likes of the British Empire you would

be
running round in animalskin pants with a spear and live in a mud

hut....
so
blow it out your ass chummy.........


Come on now, you think everyone in the U.S.A. ancestors are english?


Not at all but a good many of them are... thats also why your common
language is English....


Nah, I speak american...I spent a month working in the U.K., I needed
a translater.. The hardest to understand were your phone operators..


No such language as American... you will find it is English, just because
you use a few different words or a few of your words have different meanings
its still English.. Try phoning someone in Tyne and Wear UK and youll have
even more diffuculty ;o)



Honus September 13th 05 02:38 AM


"The Magnum" wrote in message
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"Honus" wrote in message
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"The Magnum" wrote in message
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"Honus" wrote in message
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"The Magnum" wrote in message
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Well, if you ignore their cooking...

Whats wrong with list deleted

The way you "cook" it.


Which way is that??


Badly?


In what way is it cooked badly?? and to what are you referring to?? if

your
going to make a statement at least "put some meat on the bones"


Why bother? It'd just end up over-cooked. ;)



U-Know-Who September 13th 05 03:38 AM


"The Magnum" wrote in message
...

"Lancer" wrote in message
news:4326996c.11367359@2355323778...
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:36:42 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:

You *******s have ****ed over every country or civilization
you ever came into contact with. British Empire my ass.

I think you will find your ancestors are english, unless your a red

indian
you halfwit. Or a Peurto Rican scumbag. The people who came into contact
with The British Empire learnt "well some of you did" how to become
civilised. If it wasnt for the Likes of the British Empire you would be
running round in animalskin pants with a spear and live in a mud hut....

so
blow it out your ass chummy.........


Come on now, you think everyone in the U.S.A. ancestors are english?


Not at all but a good many of them are... thats also why your common
language is English....



It's rapidly eroding into "Ebonics".



[email protected] September 13th 05 04:10 AM

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:46:08 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:56:06 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:13:08 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in
message
...
U-Know-Who wrote:
Well, if you ignore their cooking...
--

Now really, how creative can you get with horsemeat, potatoes, and
cabbage?



Horsemeat.... I thought at first glance you'd written "horse****".

You
wouldn't
have been far off if you had.



Ha haa hahahahaa aha pot and kettles with black included mate. Every
country
knows the truth with that one, i wont push it further..


English five-star hotel -- one with French cooks.

Id say American 5 star hotel, with a Fatty Arbuckles or McDonalds

franchise



but you already know that...

Best you can do for a smiug-**** reply?

If we'd let the Germans have you in WWII, you'd at least have
a marginally better "cuisine" right now.


You do sprawl some absolute drivel. Id get out a bit more if i was you....



Your ass was on the block and you damned well know it. As does
everyone else.

Sprawl??? Some kind of homespun limey longo? You should just
get out. Permanently.

[email protected] September 13th 05 04:14 AM

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:52:15 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:59:13 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:11:01 GMT, "U-Know-Who"
wrote:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. 18...
On Thu 08 Sep 2005 06:14:23p, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
wrote in message
:

The Magnum wrote:
I think you will find your ancestors are english, unless your a

red
indian you halfwit. Or a Peurto Rican scumbag. The people who came
into
contact with The British Empire learnt "well some of you did" how

to
become civilised. If it wasnt for the Likes of the British Empire

you
would be running round in animalskin pants with a spear and live

in a
mud hut.... so blow it out your ass chummy.........


You guys are civilized now? When did that happen?

I really need to get out more....


Well, if you ignore their cooking...

-=jd=-
--

Now really, how creative can you get with horsemeat, potatoes, and
cabbage?


Put enough curry in it and you can gag it down. Some people
forget which way civilization lowed in this regard.

So come on then mr food critic, give us an insight into what you eat then
which puts you in a position to criticise or even to know what your

typing
about... and what do you mean by civilisation lowed in this regard... its

a
bit of a strange statement...


Flowed, jerkoff. You have no gift for context. You're simply
unwilling to admit the only thing to recommend eating in England is
that which you were given by those you subjugated, natve English
"cuisine" is pasty crap.


Well given the standard of your spelling how are we supposed to know what
you are on about. And as for gift of context the utter drivel you spout is
quite amusing. It also lets others know you are quite immature and dont know
an awful lot. If I was to get down to the same level as you I would say all
you americans eat are donuts, turkey and mcdonalds..... thats the steriotype
which i know not to be true... now you need to realise what you know is
untrue too...


Lessee, spelling -- donuts mcdonalds i -- you have a lot to
criticize with. But since you think you'd have kicked German ass
alone, maybe you're better off caviling about spelling since you have
nothing substantive to argue with.

[email protected] September 13th 05 04:20 AM

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:07:24 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:37:40 +0100, "The Magnum Dickum"
wrote:


"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
The Magnum wrote:

Americans enslaved blacks and nearly wiped out the Native Americans
because
they wanted to take the land... the wars with the north and south,
confederates and yankies were some of the nastiest and uncivilised
conflicts
in your history and you were well established as Americans at that

time
and
was not down to the British Empire.... i dont know where you learned
your
history but wherever it was.. if it was... id sue them (hope that

wasnt
too
cheap a shot)


Actually, different tribes were constantly fighting, and took slaves
when they didn't just kill them. Later, they discovered that they

could
sell or trade their slaves for things that they wanted with the ships
that arrived on the African coast to trade goods. A lot of those ships
were from England, and they took the slaves to other places to sell
them.

--
?

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

So Michael, the point you make here is that the different tribes in

America
were already into slavery and used them to barter with the English for

goods
and suchlike therefore making my point that slavery wasnt a result of the
good old British Colonies... They may have been involved in the
transportation of slaves for profilt but that wasnt the point. The

previous
post said, or tried to imply it was the British Colonies that introduced
slavery where that simply wasnt the case.

Also most of the slaves who ended up in Britain werent treated quite as
badly in comparison although they probably didnt think so at the time.

Anyhows this has lead a little off topic as so many threads do, but its

nice
to actually have a converstaion about things rather than cheap insults.
Thank you..


Read for comprehension -- he said, "ships that arrived on the
African coast". Doesn't sound to NA, does it?


Comprehension is a big word for you to spell correctly,


But I did so successfully, didn't I.

You, in turn, followed up immediately with -- its, isnt, and
didnt (all incorrect) in the following two sentences. So get down off
your pretentious pink horsie before criticizing my orthgraphy. Back
from the dictionary yet, you twit?




its a shame the rest
of it isnt too good... Let me say to you once more The British Empire didnt
bring slavery to America, you managed that by yourself quite sucessfully.
BTW slavery was around in the days long before the "British Empire", slavery
even today is a way of life for many people.



[email protected] September 13th 05 04:22 AM

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:13:54 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
The Magnum wrote:

So Michael, the point you make here is that the different tribes in

America
were already into slavery and used them to barter with the English for

goods
and suchlike therefore making my point that slavery wasnt a result of

the
good old British Colonies... They may have been involved in the
transportation of slaves for profilt but that wasnt the point. The

previous
post said, or tried to imply it was the British Colonies that introduced
slavery where that simply wasnt the case.

Also most of the slaves who ended up in Britain werent treated quite as
badly in comparison although they probably didnt think so at the time.

Anyhows this has lead a little off topic as so many threads do, but its

nice
to actually have a converstaion about things rather than cheap insults.
Thank you..



The British ships that arrived on the US coast wanted cotton to take
to England. That is where they finally got paid. Then they restocked
the ship with goods for Africa and repeated the cycle. All they had when
they arrived on the shores of the US to trade their cargo was a ship
load of slaves and a few manufactured goods from England. They traded
both of them for cotton.

Only an idiot would mistreat any worker that was doing their best.
After all, if you kill all the help you won't make enough money to live,
will you? And then there were "Indentured servants" who traded a number
of years or labor for passage to the US, and were basically slaves
during that time. Legally they were the property of whoever paid their
way, till their time was up.

I never said I approved of any slavery. On the other hand there were
people of every race who were held in slavery at one time or another
throughout the history of mankind, and this still doesn't make it right
at any time.

--
?

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Please dont think for one minute i support or ever did support slavery...
because i dont and you know, as well as i that slavery still goes on in many
countrys today, especially some third world countrys but there is also still
a lot of it in the US and to a degree the UK too. I have no problems with
the comments you have made Michael and on the whole i agree with you.
The whole arguement on this thread was someone whit half a brain saying it
was the British Empire that created slavery.. and it simply isnt true. All i
pointed out was that slavery was massive in the US and you even had internal
wars over it so to have a go at the UK over slavery was a bit idiotic.
Cheers...


More illiterate drivel from the looney who finds fit to
criticize the spelling of his betters. Anyone who can't pick out at
least ten spelling, capitalization or grammar errors in this pompous
blowhard's tripe should review the fundamentals.

[email protected] September 13th 05 04:26 AM

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:26:31 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


So who are your ancestors... where did they originate from?


Ireland.


Yes indeed, it explains your attitude... did you hear about the Rioting in
Belfast yesterday BTW...shocking... just animals....


If the Brits and their proxies would just give up their
ill-gotten gains and get the hell out, it would all disappear in a
minute. But no, they have to hang on like a dog with a bone. Grasping
*******s.

[email protected] September 13th 05 04:39 AM

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:44:42 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


Hey, -- Magnum -- that's just a brand of rubber, isn't it?

Is it, titter titter that was so funny....ha ahahaha youll never need

one
as
your just a little pecker.... yawl have a nice day now


You'll need one, you big dickhead.

Yes i am rather well endowed.... nice of you to notice but i dont bat

your
way so kindly keep your eyes off...


You likely don't bat at all.


Which shows really you know nothing about me and are quite an immature name
caller...


You still don't bat.

Mortimer Schnerd, RN September 13th 05 11:05 AM

wrote:
Your ass was on the block and you damned well know it. As does
everyone else.

Sprawl??? Some kind of homespun limey longo? You should just
get out. Permanently.



Oh, yeah... I almost forgot. We want those rifles back... the ones American
civilians provided from their own homes so you could protect yourselves when the
Huns came a'visiting. You never returned them after the war. That's just plain
rude.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE



The Magnum September 13th 05 06:03 PM


wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:44:42 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


Hey, -- Magnum -- that's just a brand of rubber, isn't it?

Is it, titter titter that was so funny....ha ahahaha youll never

need
one
as
your just a little pecker.... yawl have a nice day now


You'll need one, you big dickhead.

Yes i am rather well endowed.... nice of you to notice but i dont bat

your
way so kindly keep your eyes off...


You likely don't bat at all.


Which shows really you know nothing about me and are quite an immature

name
caller...


You still don't bat.


Im married with 4 daughters... and we showed the Aussies we can Bat :o) The
Ashes are OURS... wooo hoooh



The Magnum September 13th 05 06:04 PM


wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:46:08 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:56:06 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:13:08 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote

in
message
...
U-Know-Who wrote:
Well, if you ignore their cooking...
--

Now really, how creative can you get with horsemeat, potatoes,

and
cabbage?



Horsemeat.... I thought at first glance you'd written

"horse****".
You
wouldn't
have been far off if you had.



Ha haa hahahahaa aha pot and kettles with black included mate.

Every
country
knows the truth with that one, i wont push it further..


English five-star hotel -- one with French cooks.

Id say American 5 star hotel, with a Fatty Arbuckles or McDonalds

franchise



but you already know that...

Best you can do for a smiug-**** reply?

If we'd let the Germans have you in WWII, you'd at least have
a marginally better "cuisine" right now.


You do sprawl some absolute drivel. Id get out a bit more if i was

you....



Your ass was on the block and you damned well know it. As does
everyone else.

Sprawl??? Some kind of homespun limey longo? You should just
get out. Permanently.


Yes its a proper word even mentioned the the Concise English Dictionary...
try reading it sometimes, it will help with your spelling



The Magnum September 13th 05 06:05 PM


"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Your ass was on the block and you damned well know it. As does
everyone else.

Sprawl??? Some kind of homespun limey longo? You should just
get out. Permanently.



Oh, yeah... I almost forgot. We want those rifles back... the ones

American
civilians provided from their own homes so you could protect yourselves

when the
Huns came a'visiting. You never returned them after the war. That's just

plain
rude.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE



Dont you think you have enough guns about in America? ;o)



The Magnum September 13th 05 06:07 PM


wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:52:15 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:59:13 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:11:01 GMT, "U-Know-Who"
wrote:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. 18...
On Thu 08 Sep 2005 06:14:23p, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
wrote in message
:

The Magnum wrote:
I think you will find your ancestors are english, unless your a

red
indian you halfwit. Or a Peurto Rican scumbag. The people who

came
into
contact with The British Empire learnt "well some of you did"

how
to
become civilised. If it wasnt for the Likes of the British

Empire
you
would be running round in animalskin pants with a spear and

live
in a
mud hut.... so blow it out your ass chummy.........


You guys are civilized now? When did that happen?

I really need to get out more....


Well, if you ignore their cooking...

-=jd=-
--

Now really, how creative can you get with horsemeat, potatoes, and
cabbage?


Put enough curry in it and you can gag it down. Some people
forget which way civilization lowed in this regard.

So come on then mr food critic, give us an insight into what you eat

then
which puts you in a position to criticise or even to know what your

typing
about... and what do you mean by civilisation lowed in this regard...

its
a
bit of a strange statement...


Flowed, jerkoff. You have no gift for context. You're simply
unwilling to admit the only thing to recommend eating in England is
that which you were given by those you subjugated, natve English
"cuisine" is pasty crap.


Well given the standard of your spelling how are we supposed to know what
you are on about. And as for gift of context the utter drivel you spout

is
quite amusing. It also lets others know you are quite immature and dont

know
an awful lot. If I was to get down to the same level as you I would say

all
you americans eat are donuts, turkey and mcdonalds..... thats the

steriotype
which i know not to be true... now you need to realise what you know is
untrue too...


Lessee, spelling -- donuts mcdonalds i -- you have a lot to
criticize with. But since you think you'd have kicked German ass
alone, maybe you're better off caviling about spelling since you have
nothing substantive to argue with.


Ermm, i think you have me mixed up with someone else. Your the only one whos
mentioned the war... i think you have voices in your head which explains a
lot....



The Magnum September 13th 05 06:08 PM


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Well, if you ignore their cooking...

Whats wrong with list deleted

The way you "cook" it.


Which way is that??

Badly?


In what way is it cooked badly?? and to what are you referring to?? if

your
going to make a statement at least "put some meat on the bones"


Why bother? It'd just end up over-cooked. ;)


Oh yes, i forgot you like everything RAW... :oP



The Magnum September 13th 05 06:17 PM


Comprehension is a big word for you to spell correctly,


But I did so successfully, didn't I.


**Yes but quite probably because you looked it up in the dictionary....
shame you let yourself down in the next sentance though mis spelling a
simple word. You used "to" in place of "too"
By the way i dont own a pink horsie so either youve mistaken me for someone
else again or you have this sort of fettish going on in your head.... It's,
Isn't and Didn't are all correct terms of use. **

You, in turn, followed up immediately with -- its, isnt, and
didnt (all incorrect) in the following two sentences. So get down off
your pretentious pink horsie before criticizing my orthgraphy. Back
from the dictionary yet, you twit?


** Me the twit... lol, then you say a word that doesnt exist orthgraphy
unless you meant Orthography. Horsie also doesnt exist as a word... i could
go on.. and youd come back with more garbage so ill leave it there... carry
on if you must but im not going to waste any more time on you... have a nice
day now...



The Magnum September 13th 05 06:31 PM


wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:13:54 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
The Magnum wrote:

So Michael, the point you make here is that the different tribes in

America
were already into slavery and used them to barter with the English

for
goods
and suchlike therefore making my point that slavery wasnt a result of

the
good old British Colonies... They may have been involved in the
transportation of slaves for profilt but that wasnt the point. The

previous
post said, or tried to imply it was the British Colonies that

introduced
slavery where that simply wasnt the case.

Also most of the slaves who ended up in Britain werent treated quite

as
badly in comparison although they probably didnt think so at the

time.

Anyhows this has lead a little off topic as so many threads do, but

its
nice
to actually have a converstaion about things rather than cheap

insults.
Thank you..


The British ships that arrived on the US coast wanted cotton to take
to England. That is where they finally got paid. Then they restocked
the ship with goods for Africa and repeated the cycle. All they had

when
they arrived on the shores of the US to trade their cargo was a ship
load of slaves and a few manufactured goods from England. They traded
both of them for cotton.

Only an idiot would mistreat any worker that was doing their best.
After all, if you kill all the help you won't make enough money to

live,
will you? And then there were "Indentured servants" who traded a

number
of years or labor for passage to the US, and were basically slaves
during that time. Legally they were the property of whoever paid their
way, till their time was up.

I never said I approved of any slavery. On the other hand there

were
people of every race who were held in slavery at one time or another
throughout the history of mankind, and this still doesn't make it right
at any time.

--
?

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Please dont think for one minute i support or ever did support slavery...
because i dont and you know, as well as i that slavery still goes on in

many
countrys today, especially some third world countrys but there is also

still
a lot of it in the US and to a degree the UK too. I have no problems with
the comments you have made Michael and on the whole i agree with you.
The whole arguement on this thread was someone whit half a brain saying

it
was the British Empire that created slavery.. and it simply isnt true.

All i
pointed out was that slavery was massive in the US and you even had

internal
wars over it so to have a go at the UK over slavery was a bit idiotic.
Cheers...


More illiterate drivel from the looney who finds fit to
criticize the spelling of his betters. Anyone who can't pick out at
least ten spelling, capitalization or grammar errors in this pompous
blowhard's tripe should review the fundamentals.


How are we to follow a conversation littered with grammatical errors that
make words unrecognisable? And as illiteracy goes, surely it's the "dum dum"
who can't spell that's illiterate. And as for betters... LMFAO....
As far as fundamentals go too, I was quite happy to have a sensible
meaningful discussion but, as with many postings in here, you let yourselves
down badly with incorrect theories of History and seem to have no real grasp
of reality and any realistic command of the English language. Then because
the person posting isn't American you jump in with both feet then get upset
when you're shown up. Mock me if you will but in the end it will be you who
shows themselves up... 10-4



The Magnum September 13th 05 06:38 PM


"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:10:32 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"Lancer" wrote in message
news:4325d050.25419343@2355323778...
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:24:48 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


Actually it was the british colonies that introduced slavery in
America.
The first imported African slaves brought to the British North
American colonies were landed at Jamestown, Virginia in 1619.

Long before the U.S.A. existed.

In the 17th century, slavery was used as punishment by conquering
English Parliament armies against native Catholics in Ireland.

Between
the years 1649 and 1653, during the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland

by
the New Model Army under the command of Oliver Cromwell, thousands

of
Irish Catholics were forced into slavery. Cromwell had a deeply
religious antipathy to the Catholic religion and Irish Catholics who
had participated in Confederate Ireland had all their land

confiscated
and were transported to the West Indies as slaves.


Actually it was the british colonies that introduced slavery in
America.
The first imported African slaves brought to the British North
American colonies were landed at Jamestown, Virginia in 1619.

Long before the U.S.A. existed.

In the 17th century, slavery was used as punishment by conquering
English Parliament armies against native Catholics in Ireland. Between
the years 1649 and 1653, during the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland by
the New Model Army under the command of Oliver Cromwell, thousands of
Irish Catholics were forced into slavery. Cromwell had a deeply
religious antipathy to the Catholic religion and Irish Catholics who
had participated in Confederate Ireland had all their land confiscated
and were transported to the West Indies as slaves.

Eh?? why are you telling me this?? I didnt say and never have that

slavery
never existed in the UK and i never said The British Empire didnt

condone
and use slavery. But the English never introduced slavery to the US


Yes it was directed to you.

Because the British did introduce slavery to the U.S.



Chronology Of The History Of Slavery: 1619-1789

1619
The other crucial event that would play a role in the development of

America
was the arrival of Africans to Jamestown. A Dutch slave trader

exchanged
his
cargo of Africans for food in 1619. The Africans became indentured

servants,
similar in legal position to many poor Englishmen who traded several

years
labor in exchange for passage to America. The popular conception of a
racial-based slave system did not develop until the 1680's. (A Brief

History
of Jamestown, The Association for the Preservation of Virginia

Antiquities,
Richmond, VA 23220, email: , Web published February,

2000)

Note the word DUTCH....
Regards,
Graham


Yes note the word Dutch, as, British colonization imported 21 slaves
from a Dutch frigate to the colony in Jamestown, Virginia in 1619,
three of whom are known to have been named Isabella, Antoney and
Pedro. Isabella and Antoney had later given birth to a slave boy named
William. This "William Tucker" is now considered the first African
American born in the English colonies in North America. The Dutch
delivered them, the British enslaved them.

Note the word British....


Dont you think if the DUTCH person SOLD them to the ENGLISH colonies then
they were ALREADY slaves???


Does it matter? They were brought to America, to end up as slaves to
the British, it doesn't matter who brought them here, it could have
been martians with flying saucers. The English introduced slavery to
the US. The Dutch most certainly didn't force the Brits at gun point
to take the slaves?


The English never introduced slavery to the US, it was the Dutch.. Anyway as
you say, does it really matter? I wasn't the one to bring the subject of
slavery up and to be honest i'm not that bothered if slavery was a "British
Colonial" thing... Judge people by who they are today not by things that
happened far in the past. Your great granddad could have "friendly fired"
and killed his allies (my relatives) but I certainly wouldn't hold it
against you.

I think its time to move on to more interesting topics, don't you?




The Magnum September 13th 05 06:46 PM


wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:26:31 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


So who are your ancestors... where did they originate from?


Ireland.


Yes indeed, it explains your attitude... did you hear about the Rioting

in
Belfast yesterday BTW...shocking... just animals....


If the Brits and their proxies would just give up their
ill-gotten gains and get the hell out, it would all disappear in a
minute. But no, they have to hang on like a dog with a bone. Grasping
*******s.


I think you'll find it's the Irish that ignore the wishes of their fellow
citizens and didn't care about their rights is actually what happened. If it
weren't for the RUC and the Army you would have wiped yourselves out years
ago. What possible motive have people got to riot, smash up and burn cars,
shoot guns at people who are trying to bring calm to the situation and
murder people (sounds very NO, maybe it wasn't the blacks there it was the
Irish in black balaclavas)... And as for it would all disappear in a minute
you live in cloud cuckoo land.
Now stop being so silly..



The Magnum September 13th 05 06:48 PM


"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:14:17 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:27:37 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:36:42 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:

You *******s have ****ed over every country or civilization
you ever came into contact with. British Empire my ass.

I think you will find your ancestors are english, unless your a red
indian
you halfwit. Or a Peurto Rican scumbag. The people who came into

contact
with The British Empire learnt "well some of you did" how to become
civilised. If it wasnt for the Likes of the British Empire you

would
be
running round in animalskin pants with a spear and live in a mud

hut....
so
blow it out your ass chummy.........


Come on now, you think everyone in the U.S.A. ancestors are english?

Not at all but a good many of them are... thats also why your common
language is English....


Nah, I speak american...I spent a month working in the U.K., I needed
a translater.. The hardest to understand were your phone operators..


No such language as American... you will find it is English, just because
you use a few different words or a few of your words have different

meanings
its still English.. Try phoning someone in Tyne and Wear UK and youll

have
even more diffuculty ;o)


Of course there is such a language as American. I suppose you think
Mexicans speak Spanish don't you?


I have no interest or concern what language the "Mexicans" speak. America's
adopted language is English and if you say otherwise you are a bloody
fool..... full stop.



The Magnum September 13th 05 06:51 PM

It's rapidly eroding into "Ebonics".


Its eroding into something ;o)

Ps, African American Vernacular English (AAVE), known colloquially as
Ebonics if anyones wondering.



Mortimer Schnerd, RN September 13th 05 07:48 PM

The Magnum wrote:
Dont you think you have enough guns about in America? ;o)



You can never have too many guns. Look at New Orleans. Chaos is only a
disaster away, natural or otherwise.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE



The Magnum September 13th 05 09:12 PM


"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
...
The Magnum wrote:
Dont you think you have enough guns about in America? ;o)



You can never have too many guns. Look at New Orleans. Chaos is only a
disaster away, natural or otherwise.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE



Ill save up and send you a tank over ;o)
Graham



jim September 14th 05 01:21 AM

The Magnum wrote:
"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:14:17 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:27:37 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:36:42 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


You *******s have ****ed over every country or civilization
you ever came into contact with. British Empire my ass.

I think you will find your ancestors are english, unless your a red

indian

you halfwit. Or a Peurto Rican scumbag. The people who came into

contact

with The British Empire learnt "well some of you did" how to become
civilised. If it wasnt for the Likes of the British Empire you


would

be

running round in animalskin pants with a spear and live in a mud

hut....

so

blow it out your ass chummy.........


Come on now, you think everyone in the U.S.A. ancestors are english?

Not at all but a good many of them are... thats also why your common
language is English....


Nah, I speak american...I spent a month working in the U.K., I needed
a translater.. The hardest to understand were your phone operators..

No such language as American... you will find it is English, just because
you use a few different words or a few of your words have different


meanings

its still English.. Try phoning someone in Tyne and Wear UK and youll


have

even more diffuculty ;o)


Of course there is such a language as American. I suppose you think
Mexicans speak Spanish don't you?



I have no interest or concern what language the "Mexicans" speak. America's
adopted language is English and if you say otherwise you are a bloody
fool..... full stop.


you are speaking as if you know what is going on here. you dont. period.
spanish is the second language here and in time will be the first in
certain parts of the country if not already. been to nyc recently?
street signs in both languages. do i care? nope. assimilation happens.
if it means my daughter has to become bilingual then so be it. i am...


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