CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

I live in a deed restricted community where CB antennas are not
permitted to be erected. I need a low profile antenna - one that will
not bring attention to the homeowners association. I want something
better than an indoor antenna. I was thinking about one that I can
just put out on the grass in my backyard like on a ground plane or
something. I want to talk. Any ideas?

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

On 16 Nov 2005 05:21:44 -0800, wrote:

I live in a deed restricted community where CB antennas are not
permitted to be erected. I need a low profile antenna - one that will
not bring attention to the homeowners association. I want something
better than an indoor antenna. I was thinking about one that I can
just put out on the grass in my backyard like on a ground plane or
something. I want to talk. Any ideas?


1/2 wave wipole in a tree.

Vinnie S.

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

"Vinnie S." wrote in message
...
On 16 Nov 2005 05:21:44 -0800, wrote:

I live in a deed restricted community where CB antennas are not
permitted to be erected. I need a low profile antenna - one that will
not bring attention to the homeowners association. I want something
better than an indoor antenna. I was thinking about one that I can
just put out on the grass in my backyard like on a ground plane or
something. I want to talk. Any ideas?


1/2 wave wipole in a tree.

Vinnie S.

I second that motion. Use Bury-Flex cable to the tree. Not only can it be
buried, critters will not chew on it, and it is a top quality cable with
very low loss.

Best of luck!

Chad

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

I thought about a 18 foot Dipole between my trees but my neighbors are
very nosy. Perhaps I can secure the Dipole on my roof.

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

Where can I buy this stuff?

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

On 16 Nov 2005 13:15:57 -0800, wrote:

Where can I buy this stuff?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Indoor-Dipole-CB...QQcmdZViewItem


Use 100% shielded coax like Belden 9913 or equiv, to minimize TVI


Or if you want to build it yourself:


Or calculate here using 27.200 MHz as a center frequency

http://www.scanshack.com/antcal.htm#dipole

or

http://home.att.net/~wizardoz/cbmw/antenna_fabri.html


Coax Cable Vertical CB Antennas


For a quickie CB antenna, a vertical dipole (1/2) wave can be made right from
the coax itself You take your coax and very carefully, without nicking the
braided shield, strip 102 inches of the outer insulation jacket off one end.
After removing the outer jacket, start bunching the shield down the coax from
the end. Now, where the outer jacket and the shield meet, separate the braided
shield enough to get the inner conductor out through the hole in the braid. Pull
all of the inner conductor through and stretch it and the braid out. Be careful
not to skin any of the insulation off the inner conductor. Now attach an antenna
insulator to the end of the inner conductor. Measure the braided shield. Cut it
off at about 106" and attach an antenna insulator to the end. The total length
of the inner and outer conductor should be about 17 feet (1/2 wave). You can
haul it up to any height you want with a string or rope attached to the
insulator on the center conductor. It's a good idea to coat the end of the coax
cable where it separates with some kind of waterproof sealer. This keeps water
from seeping into the coax, which could cause a high SWR.


Just attach a coax connector on the end of the coax going to your transceiver
and you are on the air. The SWR should be 1.5 or better, if cut to the proper
length. It'll get out about as good as a ¼ wave ground plane CB radio antenna if
you get it up high and in the clear. Do not hoist this antenna up next to a
metal pole, because the metal will interfere with the antenna's operation and
cause a high SWR.



Vinnie S.

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

On 16 Nov 2005 05:21:44 -0800, was heard to say:

I live in a deed restricted community where CB antennas are not
permitted to be erected. I need a low profile antenna - one that will
not bring attention to the homeowners association. I want something
better than an indoor antenna. I was thinking about one that I can
just put out on the grass in my backyard like on a ground plane or
something. I want to talk. Any ideas?

I think you might be misunderstanding the meaning of a "ground plane"
antenna...

You might be able to get away with a vertical dipole. You could
attach the dipole to a corner of the house, running it along a
vertical seam (and AWAY from any downspouts) so that it would be less
noticeable. Feedline can be concealed beneath siding in many
instances.

Basically your antenna will consist of two pieces of wire (insulated,
please, other than that it's not important what type) that are 104
inches in length. One wire will be attached to the center conductor
of your coax, the other to the braid. Arrange the wires so they are
in a "T" configuration in relation to the feedline. Hang the antenna
so that the wires are in the vertical plane. It's as simple as that.

Raymond Sirois KAXN-9546
SysOp: The Lost Chord BBS
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/9257
telnet://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6023

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

Vinnie S recommended the Dipole in the link below. The only thing is I
dont know if it can it be used outdoor. Its insulated so I dont see
why it cant be.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Indoor-Dipole-CB...QQcmdZViewItem

Im thinking that I would install it on my roof toward the back of the
house in the "T" configuration as you recommend tying the ends down to
the sides of the house like in the eaves under the garage. Then Im
thinking to run the coax back on either side of the Dipole, down the
corner of the house where it will go into the house. It will be out of
the sight of the home owners association people.

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

They are mature trees but now I came up with another idea. Read the
KAXN-9546 thread below. Id love to DX but my options are limited.

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

On 17 Nov 2005 04:59:07 -0800, wrote:

Vinnie S recommended the Dipole in the link below. The only thing is I
dont know if it can it be used outdoor. Its insulated so I dont see
why it cant be.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Indoor-Dipole-CB...QQcmdZViewItem

Im thinking that I would install it on my roof toward the back of the
house in the "T" configuration as you recommend tying the ends down to
the sides of the house like in the eaves under the garage. Then Im
thinking to run the coax back on either side of the Dipole, down the
corner of the house where it will go into the house. It will be out of
the sight of the home owners association people.


You can use it outdoors, easily. You must seal the coax feed so water and ice
don't get in at the feed point. It is perfectly ok if either leg of the dipole
gets wet.

Also, like Chad said, make a balun, which is a coiling your coax right before
the feed point. The coax should be coiled 10 turns in a 6 inch radius. And use
100% sheilded coax. I use Davis Bury-flex. LMR-400 is good, but very stiff.
Belden 9913 is good, but not as good outdoors as the Bury-Flex.

If you was to save some money, just use the coax itself as the dipole. Once you
separate the center wire from the braid, that is the star of you dipole. That
needs to be about 102-104 inches long. The center wire is easy, but separating
the braid is a pain in the ass. So cut about 1 inched of braid, and solder a
wire to the braid, like 14 gauge from Home Depot. Remember, the length should be
cut long, and then cut shorter to match up and get low SWR. Is alwasy easier to
cut shorter, and to make longer.

Vinnie S.

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

On 17 Nov 2005 05:02:20 -0800, wrote:

They are mature trees but now I came up with another idea. Read the
KAXN-9546 thread below. Id love to DX but my options are limited.


If you have a adjoining houses, I would advice to not hang the antenna on the
house, as you might cause TVI. I would hang it on the tree. Even it it is only
10 feet from the house.

Vinnie S.

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

"KAXN-9546" wrote in message
...
On 16 Nov 2005 05:21:44 -0800, was heard to say:

I live in a deed restricted community where CB antennas are not
permitted to be erected. I need a low profile antenna - one that will
not bring attention to the homeowners association. I want something
better than an indoor antenna. I was thinking about one that I can
just put out on the grass in my backyard like on a ground plane or
something. I want to talk. Any ideas?

I think you might be misunderstanding the meaning of a "ground plane"
antenna...

You might be able to get away with a vertical dipole. You could
attach the dipole to a corner of the house, running it along a
vertical seam (and AWAY from any downspouts) so that it would be less
noticeable. Feedline can be concealed beneath siding in many
instances.

Basically your antenna will consist of two pieces of wire (insulated,
please, other than that it's not important what type) that are 104
inches in length. One wire will be attached to the center conductor
of your coax, the other to the braid. Arrange the wires so they are
in a "T" configuration in relation to the feedline. Hang the antenna
so that the wires are in the vertical plane. It's as simple as that.

Raymond Sirois KAXN-9546
SysOp: The Lost Chord BBS
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/9257
telnet://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6023

Beware of foil backed Celotex in newer homes, not good for reflected power
:)

Chad

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

Vinnie S. wrote:

If you was to save some money, just use the coax itself as the dipole. Once you
separate the center wire from the braid, that is the star of you dipole. That
needs to be about 102-104 inches long. The center wire is easy, but separating
the braid is a pain in the ass. So cut about 1 inched of braid, and solder a
wire to the braid, like 14 gauge from Home Depot. Remember, the length should be
cut long, and then cut shorter to match up and get low SWR. Is alwasy easier to
cut shorter, and to make longer.

http://www.qsl.net/iz7ath/web/02_bre.../pag01_eng.htm

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

Scott in Baltimore wrote:
Vinnie S. wrote:

If you was to save some money, just use the coax itself as the dipole.
Once you
separate the center wire from the braid, that is the star of you
dipole. That
needs to be about 102-104 inches long. The center wire is easy, but
separating
the braid is a pain in the ass. So cut about 1 inched of braid, and
solder a
wire to the braid, like 14 gauge from Home Depot. Remember, the length
should be
cut long, and then cut shorter to match up and get low SWR. Is alwasy
easier to
cut shorter, and to make longer.

I can't stress how important impedence matching is to your antenna system.
I'd rather have a 1.5:1 resonant SWR then 1:1 unresonant SWR. Think about
singing in the shower. There is a pitch that sings back to you with very
little power. That is what happens in a resonant antenna. Recieved signals
also get this natural amplification. Frequency is unimportant to this theory.

http://www.qsl.net/iz7ath/web/02_bre.../pag01_eng.htm
http://www.hamuniverse.com/balun.html
http://www.njqrp.org/balun/

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

"Scott in Baltimore" wrote in message
...
Scott in Baltimore wrote:
Vinnie S. wrote:

If you was to save some money, just use the coax itself as the dipole.
Once you
separate the center wire from the braid, that is the star of you dipole.
That
needs to be about 102-104 inches long. The center wire is easy, but
separating
the braid is a pain in the ass. So cut about 1 inched of braid, and
solder a
wire to the braid, like 14 gauge from Home Depot. Remember, the length
should be
cut long, and then cut shorter to match up and get low SWR. Is alwasy
easier to
cut shorter, and to make longer.

I can't stress how important impedence matching is to your antenna system.
I'd rather have a 1.5:1 resonant SWR then 1:1 unresonant SWR. Think about
singing in the shower. There is a pitch that sings back to you with very
little power. That is what happens in a resonant antenna. Recieved signals
also get this natural amplification. Frequency is unimportant to this
theory.

http://www.qsl.net/iz7ath/web/02_bre.../pag01_eng.htm
http://www.hamuniverse.com/balun.html
http://www.njqrp.org/balun/

Excellent links. I was looking for a winter time project, looks like I might
give this a try.

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

"Scott in Baltimore" wrote in message
. ..
Vinnie S. wrote:

If you was to save some money, just use the coax itself as the dipole.
Once you
separate the center wire from the braid, that is the star of you dipole.
That
needs to be about 102-104 inches long. The center wire is easy, but
separating
the braid is a pain in the ass. So cut about 1 inched of braid, and
solder a
wire to the braid, like 14 gauge from Home Depot. Remember, the length
should be
cut long, and then cut shorter to match up and get low SWR. Is alwasy
easier to
cut shorter, and to make longer.

http://www.qsl.net/iz7ath/web/02_bre.../pag01_eng.htm

Linky no worky.

Chad

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

http://www.qsl.net/iz7ath/web/02_bre.../pag01_eng.htm


Linky no worky.

Worked yesterday. Try again later.

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

What's wrong with sticking a 1/4 wave or 5/8 wave loaded verticle into
the ground. Bury a couple of radials in the ground. I have a 5BTV
verticle bolted to a pipe I stuck in the ground about 3 feet. Been in
the ground for a couple years and works very good on 10m.

Hang a flag at the top and there ya go - it's a flag pole.

Just say 'NEO'

regards,
Bob
N9NEO

Baluns!
 

http://www.qsl.net/iz7ath/web/02_bre.../pag01_eng.htm
Linky no worky.

Works now.

Baluns!
 

Yep it does, one looks close to the one i made a couple days ago.. Mine
is prettier :)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...f/HPIM1678.jpg


Chad

Baluns!
 

"Chad Wahls" wrote:
Yep it does, one looks close to the one i made a couple days ago.. Mine
is prettier :)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...f/HPIM1678.jpg

Chad

Sweet!

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On 18 Nov 2005 13:32:52 -0800, wrote:

+What's wrong with sticking a 1/4 wave or 5/8 wave loaded verticle into
+the ground. Bury a couple of radials in the ground. I have a 5BTV
+verticle bolted to a pipe I stuck in the ground about 3 feet. Been in
+the ground for a couple years and works very good on 10m.
+
+Hang a flag at the top and there ya go - it's a flag pole.
+
+Just say 'NEO'
+
+regards,
+Bob
+N9NEO
******

Depending on the deed restrictions, even a flag pole may require an
architectural committee to review the plans before erecting even a
flag pole.

Right now the best antenna to put up for VHF use is a log periodic
that can look like a TV antenna. Some deed restricted associations
have so poor a turnouts for yearly meetings they cannot alter rules
that have been nulled by federal regulations. The Communications Act
of 1996 strikes down the blanket "No outside antenna" restrictions.
Associations should have gone back and altered restrictions to
prohibit outside TV antennae and restrict other antenna systems for
amateur and cb radio.

If they have not done that, then technically there is no antenna
restrictions. One should check their deed restrictions and updates and
confirm anything with a lawyer.

james

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

James,

Checking with a lawyer is probably good advice. Lotsw of verbiage that
only other lawyers can easily understand.

I would think that if a federal regulation were to have the effect of
'nulling' a local ordinence then there is no reason or need for the
local committie to 'alter' their regulations. They're already altered
by federal mandate. No? I think you may have a valid point somewhere
in there, but it escapes me. What are you saying?

I live in a neighborhood that in the past has had deed restrictions.
In order for the restrictions to survive there would have had to have
been a vote taken and a board installed. This would have had to have
taken place within one year of the last parcel of property being sold.
Didn't happen and I have an antenna farm on my property.

And - Since when have we moved CB into vhf spectrum? Wasn't OP
talking of erecting a CB antenna? Where did VHF log periodic come
from? Is this part of the point that I can't quite get a hold of?

73
NEO

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

Right now the best antenna to put up for VHF use is a log periodic
that can look like a TV antenna. //snip//

In the UK I believe even putting up a TV antenna is against the tenancy
rules as some, especially in flats, have to share a communal aerial. I don't
know if its different in the States.
Regards,
Graham

---------------------
Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73's - Graham

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

On 18 Nov 2005 13:32:52 -0800, wrote:

What's wrong with sticking a 1/4 wave or 5/8 wave loaded verticle into
the ground. Bury a couple of radials in the ground. I have a 5BTV
verticle bolted to a pipe I stuck in the ground about 3 feet. Been in
the ground for a couple years and works very good on 10m.

Hang a flag at the top and there ya go - it's a flag pole.

Just say 'NEO'

regards,
Bob
N9NEO


Bob,

I have the 5BTV too, and love it. But if he is using it for local, forget it. I
have am Imax in a tree about 36 feet high, and the 5BTV ground mounted. The 5BTV
gets out all over with DX, but is terrible locally because it is ground mounted.

Vinnie S.

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:04:54 -0000, "The Magnum"
wrote:


Right now the best antenna to put up for VHF use is a log periodic
that can look like a TV antenna. //snip//

In the UK I believe even putting up a TV antenna is against the tenancy
rules as some, especially in flats, have to share a communal aerial. I don't
know if its different in the States.
Regards,
Graham


Only in restricted developments. Condos for one. But the rules are plain as day
when you are at your closing settlement.

Vinnie S.

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:04:54 -0000, "The Magnum"
wrote:

+
+ Right now the best antenna to put up for VHF use is a log periodic
+ that can look like a TV antenna. //snip//
+
+In the UK I believe even putting up a TV antenna is against the tenancy
+rules as some, especially in flats, have to share a communal aerial. I don't
+know if its different in the States.
+Regards,
+Graham
+
+---------------------
+Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...
+
+73's - Graham
+

*****

Here across the big pond we have a clause in our constitution called
the commerce clause. Congress ruled that a homeowners association
could not pass rules and regulations restricting federal commerce.
Over the air television is regulated by the FCC, a federal agency, and
therefore restricting outside antennae at one's personal residence was
against the US Constitution. This did apply to residential single
family dwellings. Apartment complexes did not fall under this ruling.

Here in the US many deed restricted land usage restricted outside TV
antennae for basically aesthetic purposes only. They felt they were
quite ugly. That was changed in 1996.

james

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

On 20 Nov 2005 02:24:11 -0800, wrote:

+James,
+
+Checking with a lawyer is probably good advice. Lotsw of verbiage that
+only other lawyers can easily understand.
+
+I would think that if a federal regulation were to have the effect of
+'nulling' a local ordinence then there is no reason or need for the
+local committie to 'alter' their regulations. They're already altered
+by federal mandate. No? I think you may have a valid point somewhere
+in there, but it escapes me. What are you saying?
+
+I live in a neighborhood that in the past has had deed restrictions.
+In order for the restrictions to survive there would have had to have
+been a vote taken and a board installed. This would have had to have
+taken place within one year of the last parcel of property being sold.
+Didn't happen and I have an antenna farm on my property.
+
+And - Since when have we moved CB into vhf spectrum? Wasn't OP
+talking of erecting a CB antenna? Where did VHF log periodic come
+from? Is this part of the point that I can't quite get a hold of?
+
+73
+NEO
*******

The developement that I lived in had a clause stating "No outside
antennas" SInce all the dwellings in teh association were single
family houses, in effect the Communications Act of 1996 voided that
restriction. The assoiciation was until the time that I had left, had
never had a quorum at any annual meeting in order to revise or replace
that clause. So in effect there were no restrictions for any outside
antennae. I consulted with a lawyer on that and he confirmed that with
me.

james

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

"james" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:04:54 -0000, "The Magnum"
wrote:

+
+ Right now the best antenna to put up for VHF use is a log periodic
+ that can look like a TV antenna. //snip//
+
+In the UK I believe even putting up a TV antenna is against the tenancy
+rules as some, especially in flats, have to share a communal aerial. I
don't
+know if its different in the States.
+Regards,
+Graham
+
+---------------------
+Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...
+
+73's - Graham
+

*****

Here across the big pond we have a clause in our constitution called
the commerce clause. Congress ruled that a homeowners association
could not pass rules and regulations restricting federal commerce.
Over the air television is regulated by the FCC, a federal agency, and
therefore restricting outside antennae at one's personal residence was
against the US Constitution. This did apply to residential single
family dwellings. Apartment complexes did not fall under this ruling.

Here in the US many deed restricted land usage restricted outside TV
antennae for basically aesthetic purposes only. They felt they were
quite ugly. That was changed in 1996.

james

Hi James,
The aesthetic argument was why they didn't allow private aerials over here.
I must be honest and say I don't know if this is still the case but it used
to be a few years back.

Regards,
Graham

--
---------------
Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73's - Graham

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

Where in the Communications Act Of 1996 does it protect me?

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

Where in the Communications Act Of 1996 does it protect me? If this is
the case, Ill put up a 1/4 wave stick.

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

On 22 Nov 2005 19:50:58 -0800, wrote:

+Where in the Communications Act Of 1996 does it protect me? If this is
+the case, Ill put up a 1/4 wave stick.
******

The Communications Act of 1996 strtikes down the blacket Clause of "No
Outside Antennae". It does not state that an association can not
restrict against outside antennae. The clause "no Outide Antenna" is
to general. Furhtermore the law also sets forth what antennae that can
not be restricted. These are antennae th at are designed to receive
over the air television broadcast and direct satellite televison
recption.

A homeowners association/ deed restrictions can clarify the struck
down provsion of "No Outside Antennae" by writing regulations and or
deed restriction that specify what is and what is not acceptable.

You need to check with a lawyer and reveiw your deed restrictions
carefully before you do anything. The one certainty that I can say is
if yo uwish to install a 30 cm direct TV dish on you property that is
deed restricted, that deed restriction has been nulified. It does not
give you the right to install a 80 foot tower and put up a phased
array of 8 element yagis for CB or any other CB antennae.

james

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

Thank you James for your advice. My Associations Covenants and By Laws
were written back in 1993. I do not know for sure but I do beleive
that they have not been amended since. If I am right, and Ill have to
check on this to be sure, if there was no amendment to the Covenants
and By Laws as a result of the Communications Act Of 1996, then is it
safe to say that I am covered under this Act?

CB antenna for my house...Deed restriction...
 

On 27 Nov 2005 07:23:33 -0800, wrote:

+Thank you James for your advice. My Associations Covenants and By Laws
+were written back in 1993. I do not know for sure but I do beleive
+that they have not been amended since. If I am right, and Ill have to
+check on this to be sure, if there was no amendment to the Covenants
+and By Laws as a result of the Communications Act Of 1996, then is it
+safe to say that I am covered under this Act?
*****

What you need to do is consult with a lawyer with your deed
restrictions. It would also be nice to get a copy of the public law
and I believe it is 106-106 but I not sure. A seasrch of
thomas.loc.gov should give you a copy of the text.

If in some way your deed restrictions have been weakened, then you are
eventually going to have to deal with your association. Even if you
are in the right I would not exclude them or they will make life a
bitch. Believe me if the board of directors want you out they will
force you out. They will find fault with the smallest of infractions.
Down to the heigth of the front yard grass to how clean your driveway
is. Even your trash cans will become an issue.

james