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Michael July 7th 04 08:22 AM

High Speed Packet Kits?
 
Are there any high speed (128 or 256kb) packet kits (PCB +
hardware/components) available for the 70cm or 23cm bands?

Would need a full kit including the radio and digital section so I can plug
the computer in one end and the antenna in the other.

I have searched the web and can't find anyone selling these things for a
reasonable price.




Markus L July 7th 04 10:16 AM

Michael wrote:
Are there any high speed (128 or 256kb) packet kits (PCB +
hardware/components) available for the 70cm or 23cm bands?


http://www.symek.com/g/index-g.html

Markus



Markus L July 7th 04 10:16 AM

Michael wrote:
Are there any high speed (128 or 256kb) packet kits (PCB +
hardware/components) available for the 70cm or 23cm bands?


http://www.symek.com/g/index-g.html

Markus



Michael July 18th 04 12:24 PM

In Markus L wrote:

Michael wrote:
Are there any high speed (128 or 256kb) packet kits (PCB +
hardware/components) available for the 70cm or 23cm bands?


http://www.symek.com/g/index-g.html

Markus

Hi Marcus,

I guess I must be a cheapskate. Iwas after a reasonable price. As far as I
can determine for these you have to buy the radios and modems separately
and 2 of each would cost $4,500 Australian even as Kits.

It would be both simpler and cheaper just to get two Icom ID-1s at $4,400
for the two and plug them straight in.

One of the mail reasons I was asking about kits was to find a less expensive
alternative.

Michael


Michael July 18th 04 12:24 PM

In Markus L wrote:

Michael wrote:
Are there any high speed (128 or 256kb) packet kits (PCB +
hardware/components) available for the 70cm or 23cm bands?


http://www.symek.com/g/index-g.html

Markus

Hi Marcus,

I guess I must be a cheapskate. Iwas after a reasonable price. As far as I
can determine for these you have to buy the radios and modems separately
and 2 of each would cost $4,500 Australian even as Kits.

It would be both simpler and cheaper just to get two Icom ID-1s at $4,400
for the two and plug them straight in.

One of the mail reasons I was asking about kits was to find a less expensive
alternative.

Michael


Markus L July 19th 04 05:34 AM

Michael wrote:
One of the mail reasons I was asking about kits was to find a less
expensive alternative.


http://www.baycom.org/



Markus L July 19th 04 05:34 AM

Michael wrote:
One of the mail reasons I was asking about kits was to find a less
expensive alternative.


http://www.baycom.org/



rrkrr July 21st 04 12:10 AM

Michael wrote:
(snip)
They seem to have a good network in Slovenia [well at least before we
dropped a heap of bombs on them]

(snip)


Um, we (presume you mean US/NATO) have never bombed Slovenia, at least
not since WWII. Not even close. Serbia, which we have bombed recently,
is on the other end of what was formerly known as Yugoslavia.



rrkrr July 21st 04 12:10 AM

Michael wrote:
(snip)
They seem to have a good network in Slovenia [well at least before we
dropped a heap of bombs on them]

(snip)


Um, we (presume you mean US/NATO) have never bombed Slovenia, at least
not since WWII. Not even close. Serbia, which we have bombed recently,
is on the other end of what was formerly known as Yugoslavia.



Michael July 21st 04 12:27 AM

In rrkrr wrote:

Michael wrote:
(snip)
They seem to have a good network in Slovenia [well at least before we
dropped a heap of bombs on them]

(snip)


Um, we (presume you mean US/NATO) have never bombed Slovenia, at least
not since WWII. Not even close. Serbia, which we have bombed recently,
is on the other end of what was formerly known as Yugoslavia.


Thanks for the correction then.

Do you know where I can get suitable radios from?




Michael July 21st 04 12:27 AM

In rrkrr wrote:

Michael wrote:
(snip)
They seem to have a good network in Slovenia [well at least before we
dropped a heap of bombs on them]

(snip)


Um, we (presume you mean US/NATO) have never bombed Slovenia, at least
not since WWII. Not even close. Serbia, which we have bombed recently,
is on the other end of what was formerly known as Yugoslavia.


Thanks for the correction then.

Do you know where I can get suitable radios from?




rrkrr July 21st 04 01:13 AM

Michael wrote:
In rrkrr wrote:


Michael wrote:
(snip)

They seem to have a good network in Slovenia [well at least before we
dropped a heap of bombs on them]


(snip)


Um, we (presume you mean US/NATO) have never bombed Slovenia, at least
not since WWII. Not even close. Serbia, which we have bombed recently,
is on the other end of what was formerly known as Yugoslavia.



Thanks for the correction then.

Do you know where I can get suitable radios from?



I have used this company's 900 MHz products (115.2 kbps) with great success.
There are less expensive equivalent alternatives available, but these
are reliable and meet their own specifications. I see they are now
advertising 1.3 GHz products for "military", but presume they would have
no qualms about selling them. You'll have to request a price quote.
The 900 MHz stuff is reasonable, but not cheap. Don't know about the
1.3 GHz stuff.

http://www.freewave.com/

rrkrr July 21st 04 01:13 AM

Michael wrote:
In rrkrr wrote:


Michael wrote:
(snip)

They seem to have a good network in Slovenia [well at least before we
dropped a heap of bombs on them]


(snip)


Um, we (presume you mean US/NATO) have never bombed Slovenia, at least
not since WWII. Not even close. Serbia, which we have bombed recently,
is on the other end of what was formerly known as Yugoslavia.



Thanks for the correction then.

Do you know where I can get suitable radios from?



I have used this company's 900 MHz products (115.2 kbps) with great success.
There are less expensive equivalent alternatives available, but these
are reliable and meet their own specifications. I see they are now
advertising 1.3 GHz products for "military", but presume they would have
no qualms about selling them. You'll have to request a price quote.
The 900 MHz stuff is reasonable, but not cheap. Don't know about the
1.3 GHz stuff.

http://www.freewave.com/

Charles Brabham July 21st 04 02:17 PM


"Michael" wrote in message
...

Looks like I'll have to figure out how to get AX25 going on a linux
machine.....


Why would you want to handicap yourself like that? You'll get better
performance on the air with FlexNet, and performance is the desired factor,
eh? Running the AX25 stuff in Linux gives you the latest in packet radio
from the mid 1980's. Things have significantly improved since then, and it
would be a shame to see you spend good money on equipment and then cut your
own throat by going cheap on the software.

Charles, N5PVL



Charles Brabham July 21st 04 02:17 PM


"Michael" wrote in message
...

Looks like I'll have to figure out how to get AX25 going on a linux
machine.....


Why would you want to handicap yourself like that? You'll get better
performance on the air with FlexNet, and performance is the desired factor,
eh? Running the AX25 stuff in Linux gives you the latest in packet radio
from the mid 1980's. Things have significantly improved since then, and it
would be a shame to see you spend good money on equipment and then cut your
own throat by going cheap on the software.

Charles, N5PVL



Hank Oredson July 21st 04 03:18 PM

"Charles Brabham" wrote in message
m...

"Michael" wrote in message
...

Looks like I'll have to figure out how to get AX25 going on a linux
machine.....


Why would you want to handicap yourself like that? You'll get better
performance on the air with FlexNet, and performance is the desired
factor,
eh? Running the AX25 stuff in Linux gives you the latest in packet radio
from the mid 1980's. Things have significantly improved since then, and it
would be a shame to see you spend good money on equipment and then cut
your
own throat by going cheap on the software.



Can you provide a link to the specification for the FlexNet
routing protocol?

Is there support for Kantronics TNCs?

--

... Hank

http://horedson.home.att.net
http://w0rli.home.att.net



Hank Oredson July 21st 04 03:18 PM

"Charles Brabham" wrote in message
m...

"Michael" wrote in message
...

Looks like I'll have to figure out how to get AX25 going on a linux
machine.....


Why would you want to handicap yourself like that? You'll get better
performance on the air with FlexNet, and performance is the desired
factor,
eh? Running the AX25 stuff in Linux gives you the latest in packet radio
from the mid 1980's. Things have significantly improved since then, and it
would be a shame to see you spend good money on equipment and then cut
your
own throat by going cheap on the software.



Can you provide a link to the specification for the FlexNet
routing protocol?

Is there support for Kantronics TNCs?

--

... Hank

http://horedson.home.att.net
http://w0rli.home.att.net



Michael July 22nd 04 01:49 AM

In rrkrr wrote:

I have used this company's 900 MHz products (115.2 kbps) with great
success. There are less expensive equivalent alternatives available, but
these are reliable and meet their own specifications. I see they are now
advertising 1.3 GHz products for "military", but presume they would have
no qualms about selling them. You'll have to request a price quote.
The 900 MHz stuff is reasonable, but not cheap. Don't know about the
1.3 GHz stuff.

http://www.freewave.com/


Thanks.

These appear to be in the ISM (licence free) band -not high speed amateur
packet radios - and are limited in their power output. In Australia at
900MHz our limit is 1W ERP.

I priced the 900MHz ones from the Australian disributer and they were $1600
for the serial version or $2800 for the ethernet version.

I wonder how much they are in the US?




Michael July 22nd 04 01:49 AM

In rrkrr wrote:

I have used this company's 900 MHz products (115.2 kbps) with great
success. There are less expensive equivalent alternatives available, but
these are reliable and meet their own specifications. I see they are now
advertising 1.3 GHz products for "military", but presume they would have
no qualms about selling them. You'll have to request a price quote.
The 900 MHz stuff is reasonable, but not cheap. Don't know about the
1.3 GHz stuff.

http://www.freewave.com/


Thanks.

These appear to be in the ISM (licence free) band -not high speed amateur
packet radios - and are limited in their power output. In Australia at
900MHz our limit is 1W ERP.

I priced the 900MHz ones from the Australian disributer and they were $1600
for the serial version or $2800 for the ethernet version.

I wonder how much they are in the US?




Michael July 22nd 04 10:07 AM

In Charles Brabham wrote:


"Michael" wrote in message
...

Looks like I'll have to figure out how to get AX25 going on a linux
machine.....


Why would you want to handicap yourself like that? You'll get better
performance on the air with FlexNet, and performance is the desired
factor, eh? Running the AX25 stuff in Linux gives you the latest in packet
radio from the mid 1980's. Things have significantly improved since then,
and it would be a shame to see you spend good money on equipment and then
cut your own throat by going cheap on the software.

Charles, N5PVL


I had a bit of a go with FlexNet a couple of years ago. I don't know what
its like now but back then it was a DOS application for a windows machine.
It would not run properly on a protected machine (I was mainly using NT4 at
the time - now I only have XP or linux).

I did manage to get it going on a windows 95 or 98 machine but could not
manage to figure out how to get it to work properly.




Michael July 22nd 04 10:07 AM

In Charles Brabham wrote:


"Michael" wrote in message
...

Looks like I'll have to figure out how to get AX25 going on a linux
machine.....


Why would you want to handicap yourself like that? You'll get better
performance on the air with FlexNet, and performance is the desired
factor, eh? Running the AX25 stuff in Linux gives you the latest in packet
radio from the mid 1980's. Things have significantly improved since then,
and it would be a shame to see you spend good money on equipment and then
cut your own throat by going cheap on the software.

Charles, N5PVL


I had a bit of a go with FlexNet a couple of years ago. I don't know what
its like now but back then it was a DOS application for a windows machine.
It would not run properly on a protected machine (I was mainly using NT4 at
the time - now I only have XP or linux).

I did manage to get it going on a windows 95 or 98 machine but could not
manage to figure out how to get it to work properly.




Michael July 22nd 04 10:11 AM

In Howard Goldstein wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:49:35 GMT, Michael
wrote:
: I priced the 900MHz ones from the Australian disributer and they were
: $1600 for the serial version or $2800 for the ethernet version.
:
: I wonder how much they are in the US?

In large quantities I was led to understand they they were in the
$100-200 range a few years ago, sans case.

A different product from http://www.omnispread.com using DSSS and
approved for use down in your area might also fit your needs (LAWNII)


They claim that these radios can work over 10 kilometers (6 miles) using
20mW output with a receive sensitivity of -95dBm.

I wonder if that is realistic.

The more expensive ones transmit 1W.




Michael July 22nd 04 10:11 AM

In Howard Goldstein wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:49:35 GMT, Michael
wrote:
: I priced the 900MHz ones from the Australian disributer and they were
: $1600 for the serial version or $2800 for the ethernet version.
:
: I wonder how much they are in the US?

In large quantities I was led to understand they they were in the
$100-200 range a few years ago, sans case.

A different product from http://www.omnispread.com using DSSS and
approved for use down in your area might also fit your needs (LAWNII)


They claim that these radios can work over 10 kilometers (6 miles) using
20mW output with a receive sensitivity of -95dBm.

I wonder if that is realistic.

The more expensive ones transmit 1W.





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