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Development of APRS
APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks
associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. In the US, tying up equipment to do APRS has taken the place of astrology, numerology, or socialism a quick ( lack of ) intelligence test. Charles, N5PVL |
In message , Charles
Brabham writes APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. In the US, tying up equipment to do APRS has taken the place of astrology, numerology, or socialism a quick ( lack of ) intelligence test. Charles, N5PVL Charles, thank you for sharing that with us. -- 73 Ian, G3NRW |
In message , Charles
Brabham writes APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. In the US, tying up equipment to do APRS has taken the place of astrology, numerology, or socialism a quick ( lack of ) intelligence test. Charles, N5PVL Charles, thank you for sharing that with us. -- 73 Ian, G3NRW |
"news" wrote in message ... Charles, thank you for sharing that with us. ;-) |
"news" wrote in message ... Charles, thank you for sharing that with us. ;-) |
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says... APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. snippety Thank you for sharing your opinion. I'm sorry you feel as you do. I disagree most strongly. There, now, wasn't that simple? Oh, one more thing... *PLONK!* -- Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute. (Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR, kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?" |
I have to agree some what.. It's funny around here 90% of the APRS activity
is saying the house hasn't moved in the last few minuets. While APRS has some interesting applications, I think it's suppose to be for tracking moving objects. So unless you think you live near the yellow brick road, why keep telling everyone where you live? Just me, I'm sure.. Joe AG4QC "Charles Brabham" wrote in message . com... APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. In the US, tying up equipment to do APRS has taken the place of astrology, numerology, or socialism a quick ( lack of ) intelligence test. Charles, N5PVL |
I have to agree some what.. It's funny around here 90% of the APRS activity
is saying the house hasn't moved in the last few minuets. While APRS has some interesting applications, I think it's suppose to be for tracking moving objects. So unless you think you live near the yellow brick road, why keep telling everyone where you live? Just me, I'm sure.. Joe AG4QC "Charles Brabham" wrote in message . com... APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. In the US, tying up equipment to do APRS has taken the place of astrology, numerology, or socialism a quick ( lack of ) intelligence test. Charles, N5PVL |
"Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message ... Thank you for sharing your opinion. I'm sorry you feel as you do. I disagree most strongly. I wondered what that smell was... There, now, wasn't that simple? Yes, that was easy to understand. Oh, one more thing... *PLONK!* Uh OH!.... Are you going to be OK? Charles, N5PVL ;) |
"Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message ... Thank you for sharing your opinion. I'm sorry you feel as you do. I disagree most strongly. I wondered what that smell was... There, now, wasn't that simple? Yes, that was easy to understand. Oh, one more thing... *PLONK!* Uh OH!.... Are you going to be OK? Charles, N5PVL ;) |
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:22:11 -0600, "Joel" wrote:
I have to agree some what.. It's funny around here 90% of the APRS activity is saying the house hasn't moved in the last few minuets. I don't know, if you live in California and there's an earthquake, it might help you find where your house when to. Bill Cherepy Grayson, GA |
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:22:11 -0600, "Joel" wrote:
I have to agree some what.. It's funny around here 90% of the APRS activity is saying the house hasn't moved in the last few minuets. I don't know, if you live in California and there's an earthquake, it might help you find where your house when to. Bill Cherepy Grayson, GA |
Charles Brabham wrote:
APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. In the US, tying up equipment to do APRS has taken the place of astrology, numerology, or socialism a quick ( lack of ) intelligence test. Charles, N5PVL Are you high? Well, these folks are. Sorta. From 2003: http://www.arrl-al.org/balloon_chase2.htm We had another successful launch last week. The balloon reached 94,000ft. It transmitted aprs, id, position, altitude, and other data on 2 meters. It transmitted video at 434.000MHz from a downward-facing mini-camera. We chased it from Huntsalulu to the AL-GA border north of Mentone, monitoring *direct* APRS signals at 144.39 and 144.34. Also used an ad hoc rolling network of chase cars at 146.52 and other simplex frequencies. In short, this activity used just about every vhf trick in the bag 'cept weak signal techniques. It was a blast. Even the farmer who was bushhogging when it came down on his pasture was ultra cool. He gave us a ride to the recovery site and acted like things fall on his farm from near space every day. Ho hum. Oh, and the only internet activity was back at the launch site, where we were tracked on a map on a internet-connected laptop. http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net/uah_balloon.php 73 Corry K4DOH -- It Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries. http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net T. Boozer wrote in rolltidefan.net: "That dude that took the picture, Corry Smith, is a bigtime aubie. Notice he named the pic 'BRIANDENNEHYstadium' Screw him!" |
Charles Brabham wrote:
APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. In the US, tying up equipment to do APRS has taken the place of astrology, numerology, or socialism a quick ( lack of ) intelligence test. Charles, N5PVL Are you high? Well, these folks are. Sorta. From 2003: http://www.arrl-al.org/balloon_chase2.htm We had another successful launch last week. The balloon reached 94,000ft. It transmitted aprs, id, position, altitude, and other data on 2 meters. It transmitted video at 434.000MHz from a downward-facing mini-camera. We chased it from Huntsalulu to the AL-GA border north of Mentone, monitoring *direct* APRS signals at 144.39 and 144.34. Also used an ad hoc rolling network of chase cars at 146.52 and other simplex frequencies. In short, this activity used just about every vhf trick in the bag 'cept weak signal techniques. It was a blast. Even the farmer who was bushhogging when it came down on his pasture was ultra cool. He gave us a ride to the recovery site and acted like things fall on his farm from near space every day. Ho hum. Oh, and the only internet activity was back at the launch site, where we were tracked on a map on a internet-connected laptop. http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net/uah_balloon.php 73 Corry K4DOH -- It Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries. http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net T. Boozer wrote in rolltidefan.net: "That dude that took the picture, Corry Smith, is a bigtime aubie. Notice he named the pic 'BRIANDENNEHYstadium' Screw him!" |
"Charles Brabham" wrote
APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. Charles, that may be to case in the US, but here in England, it was the RSGB that killed off packet radio. The Radio Society of GB had this odd idea that reducing the channel spacing was needed because the commercial radio used closer channel spacing than ham radio. So now instead of 77 (of 80) channels mostly unused we have 158 (of 160) channels mostly unused. Because a narrow channel requires less deviation, we all had to reduce our deviation. This reduced the range of signals, such that the one to one live activity that we enjoyed stopped within a very short time as our signals could not be heard. At least APRS has increased activity on VHF here. However I agree that internet connections would appear to be more important for some folk. Reg, G4ENS |
"Charles Brabham" wrote
APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. Charles, that may be to case in the US, but here in England, it was the RSGB that killed off packet radio. The Radio Society of GB had this odd idea that reducing the channel spacing was needed because the commercial radio used closer channel spacing than ham radio. So now instead of 77 (of 80) channels mostly unused we have 158 (of 160) channels mostly unused. Because a narrow channel requires less deviation, we all had to reduce our deviation. This reduced the range of signals, such that the one to one live activity that we enjoyed stopped within a very short time as our signals could not be heard. At least APRS has increased activity on VHF here. However I agree that internet connections would appear to be more important for some folk. Reg, G4ENS |
Charles Brabham wrote:
APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep.... I don't see why one person's dislike for a particular use of a couple frequencies should be grounds for such an attack. Hams do lots of different things, which is one of the attractions of the hobby. I have no real interest in APRS, but if others find it amusing to hook three or more different kinds of technology together to do something, why not? It is no more pointless than DX or moonbounce or QRP or dozens of other ham activities. If some people are having fun and learning a few things, more power to them, except the QRP crowd, of of course. N5PVL needs to get himself a hobby. John, WA9FCH |
Charles Brabham wrote:
APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep.... I don't see why one person's dislike for a particular use of a couple frequencies should be grounds for such an attack. Hams do lots of different things, which is one of the attractions of the hobby. I have no real interest in APRS, but if others find it amusing to hook three or more different kinds of technology together to do something, why not? It is no more pointless than DX or moonbounce or QRP or dozens of other ham activities. If some people are having fun and learning a few things, more power to them, except the QRP crowd, of of course. N5PVL needs to get himself a hobby. John, WA9FCH |
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 02:55:30 GMT, John McHarry wrote:
Charles Brabham wrote: APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep.... I don't see why one person's dislike for a particular use of a couple frequencies should be grounds for such an attack. Hams do lots of different things, which is one of the attractions of the hobby. I have no real interest in APRS, but if others find it amusing to hook three or more different kinds of technology together to do something, why not? It is no more pointless than DX or moonbounce or QRP or dozens of other ham activities. If some people are having fun and learning a few things, more power to them, except the QRP crowd, of of course. N5PVL needs to get himself a hobby. Just ignore Charles. Every now and then he'll get up and start screeching about how this, that, and the other thing has "killed packet", occasionally try to drive people to look at his website ( When was that thing last updated? 1998? ), and then sit back and try to abuse anyone who responds to him. Almost makes me wonder what ever happened to Burt Fisher.... |
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 02:55:30 GMT, John McHarry wrote:
Charles Brabham wrote: APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep.... I don't see why one person's dislike for a particular use of a couple frequencies should be grounds for such an attack. Hams do lots of different things, which is one of the attractions of the hobby. I have no real interest in APRS, but if others find it amusing to hook three or more different kinds of technology together to do something, why not? It is no more pointless than DX or moonbounce or QRP or dozens of other ham activities. If some people are having fun and learning a few things, more power to them, except the QRP crowd, of of course. N5PVL needs to get himself a hobby. Just ignore Charles. Every now and then he'll get up and start screeching about how this, that, and the other thing has "killed packet", occasionally try to drive people to look at his website ( When was that thing last updated? 1998? ), and then sit back and try to abuse anyone who responds to him. Almost makes me wonder what ever happened to Burt Fisher.... |
"Reg" wrote in message ... "Charles Brabham" wrote APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. Charles, that may be to case in the US, but here in England, it was the RSGB that killed off packet radio. Our ARRL did nothing to damage the Packet hobby - and nothing to help it either. It was a secondary organization, TAPR, which was the main problem on this side of the pond. The irony here is that TAPR was allegedly supposed to support packet radio and it did - until a clique of internet junkies took the organization over in the late 1980's. The non-ham types have since discredited TAPR and had the organization to the point where last year, they hired a fellow to examine the organization in order to determine what it might be good for. - The report was inconclusive. I could have saved them a little money on that one... I could have told them that TAPR was of dubious value for free. The Radio Society of GB had this odd idea that reducing the channel spacing was needed because the commercial radio used closer channel spacing than ham radio. Yes, it's amazing how amateurs are supposed to innovate, and do new things - but there is a large group of halfwits who judge the hobby's worth and state of the art by how closely it resembles commercial stuff that has nothing to do with amateur radio. The TAPR halfwits disparage any aspect of amateur radio which does not resemble the familiar internet. Judging by your experience with RSGB and our experience with TAPR, it should be plain (except to halfwits of course) that instead of trying to emulate existing systems, amateurs should be experimenting with new and different ideas that the commercial outfits may someday emulate. The commercial outfits supposed to be following our lead as they have many times in the past - and not the other way around. The RSGB and TAPR folks being discussed are the worst kind of Luddites, in this respect. Because of their destructive ignorance, these people have no place in the hobby. We would be much better off without them. At least APRS has increased activity on VHF here. However I agree that internet connections would appear to be more important for some folk. It's what they know. Charles, N5PVL |
"Reg" wrote in message ... "Charles Brabham" wrote APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. Charles, that may be to case in the US, but here in England, it was the RSGB that killed off packet radio. Our ARRL did nothing to damage the Packet hobby - and nothing to help it either. It was a secondary organization, TAPR, which was the main problem on this side of the pond. The irony here is that TAPR was allegedly supposed to support packet radio and it did - until a clique of internet junkies took the organization over in the late 1980's. The non-ham types have since discredited TAPR and had the organization to the point where last year, they hired a fellow to examine the organization in order to determine what it might be good for. - The report was inconclusive. I could have saved them a little money on that one... I could have told them that TAPR was of dubious value for free. The Radio Society of GB had this odd idea that reducing the channel spacing was needed because the commercial radio used closer channel spacing than ham radio. Yes, it's amazing how amateurs are supposed to innovate, and do new things - but there is a large group of halfwits who judge the hobby's worth and state of the art by how closely it resembles commercial stuff that has nothing to do with amateur radio. The TAPR halfwits disparage any aspect of amateur radio which does not resemble the familiar internet. Judging by your experience with RSGB and our experience with TAPR, it should be plain (except to halfwits of course) that instead of trying to emulate existing systems, amateurs should be experimenting with new and different ideas that the commercial outfits may someday emulate. The commercial outfits supposed to be following our lead as they have many times in the past - and not the other way around. The RSGB and TAPR folks being discussed are the worst kind of Luddites, in this respect. Because of their destructive ignorance, these people have no place in the hobby. We would be much better off without them. At least APRS has increased activity on VHF here. However I agree that internet connections would appear to be more important for some folk. It's what they know. Charles, N5PVL |
"John McHarry" wrote in message ink.net... Charles Brabham wrote: APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep.... I don't see why one person's dislike for a particular use of a couple frequencies should be grounds for such an attack. I looked back at my post, and did not see any reference to "a particular use of a couple frequencies ", or any attack of any kind. Do you have any response to what I actually said? - Or will you just put words in other people's mouths and then answer them, effectively debating with yourself? Hams do lots of different things, which is one of the attractions of the hobby. I have no real interest in APRS, but if others find it amusing to hook three or more different kinds of technology together to do something, why not? I don't know... Since you have brought up the question of somehow "not allowing APRS", perhaps you can answer yourself. - Again. It is no more pointless than DX or moonbounce or QRP or dozens of other ham activities. If some people are having fun and learning a few things, more power to them, except the QRP crowd, of of course. That's your opinion, and you are welcome to it. My opinion is that ARPS is pointless, but that "DX or moonbounce or QRP or dozens of other ham activities" are not. The "ham activities" you mention are legitimate applications of amateur radio. N5PVL needs to get himself a hobby. I have a hobby.. It's called Amateur Radio, not Amateur Telephone. We amateur radio operators are funny, in that we try to see what can be done with radio. Try it out sometime. Charles, N5PVL |
"John McHarry" wrote in message ink.net... Charles Brabham wrote: APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep.... I don't see why one person's dislike for a particular use of a couple frequencies should be grounds for such an attack. I looked back at my post, and did not see any reference to "a particular use of a couple frequencies ", or any attack of any kind. Do you have any response to what I actually said? - Or will you just put words in other people's mouths and then answer them, effectively debating with yourself? Hams do lots of different things, which is one of the attractions of the hobby. I have no real interest in APRS, but if others find it amusing to hook three or more different kinds of technology together to do something, why not? I don't know... Since you have brought up the question of somehow "not allowing APRS", perhaps you can answer yourself. - Again. It is no more pointless than DX or moonbounce or QRP or dozens of other ham activities. If some people are having fun and learning a few things, more power to them, except the QRP crowd, of of course. That's your opinion, and you are welcome to it. My opinion is that ARPS is pointless, but that "DX or moonbounce or QRP or dozens of other ham activities" are not. The "ham activities" you mention are legitimate applications of amateur radio. N5PVL needs to get himself a hobby. I have a hobby.. It's called Amateur Radio, not Amateur Telephone. We amateur radio operators are funny, in that we try to see what can be done with radio. Try it out sometime. Charles, N5PVL |
"Here to there" - a nameless, no-callsign troll - wrote in message ... Charles Brabham wrote: APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep.... Just ignore Charles. Every now and then he'll get up and start screeching about how this, that, and the other thing has "killed packet", occasionally try to drive people to look at his website ( When was that thing last updated? 1998? ), The web site was created in 2002, Einstein, and last updated three days ago. There was a major re-write six months or so ago. You can check it out (obviously you need to) at: http://www.uspacket.org and then sit back and try to abuse anyone who responds to him. Just the morons and nameless no-callsign trolls, such as yourself. I'm friendly with everybody else, and will not apologize for stepping on toes that were made to be stepped on. - such as yours. Almost makes me wonder what ever happened to Burt Fisher.... Is he the new president at TAPR? That would fit like a glove... BWAHAHAHAHAWR! Charles, N5PVL |
"Here to there" - a nameless, no-callsign troll - wrote in message ... Charles Brabham wrote: APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep.... Just ignore Charles. Every now and then he'll get up and start screeching about how this, that, and the other thing has "killed packet", occasionally try to drive people to look at his website ( When was that thing last updated? 1998? ), The web site was created in 2002, Einstein, and last updated three days ago. There was a major re-write six months or so ago. You can check it out (obviously you need to) at: http://www.uspacket.org and then sit back and try to abuse anyone who responds to him. Just the morons and nameless no-callsign trolls, such as yourself. I'm friendly with everybody else, and will not apologize for stepping on toes that were made to be stepped on. - such as yours. Almost makes me wonder what ever happened to Burt Fisher.... Is he the new president at TAPR? That would fit like a glove... BWAHAHAHAHAWR! Charles, N5PVL |
"Charles Brabham" wrote in message:
APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. Hi Charles: I don't believe that is true. If you'll check early issues of Gateway (I think around 1993) you'll see APRS was initially developed to track sailboats out of the U.S. Naval academy in Annapolis, MD. So if you want to go pointing fingers, point it at the U.S. Navy. Now, if your claiming TAPR shameless tried to ride the coattails of APRS, then I will agree with you. Their only real contribution to APRS was to form the APRS working group, which they quickly cut and run from leaving a adminstrative FUBAR'ed mess behind. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. Have you even run APRS? Up until about 1998 it didn't even use the internet, and the way it uses the internet is as a giant data collector. APRS is firmly in the RF domain, even if some people use it to track their homes ;-( APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. TAPR bashing aside, APRS has generated quite a bit of interest in the hobby, and a strong case could be made it has prolonged interest in RF based packet radio. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. Ahh.... now that is the rub, isn't it? "anything interesting or useful" What do you suggest? The only other popular packet application on the horizon I see is WinLink. You may not like that, but those are the facts. And oh, did I mention, WinLink has a form of APRS position reporting in it as well. Charles, you interest in some of streaming protocols is well placed. This could be a killer application if further developed and refined. If your that concerned, I suggest putting efforts into that. |
"Charles Brabham" wrote in message:
APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. Hi Charles: I don't believe that is true. If you'll check early issues of Gateway (I think around 1993) you'll see APRS was initially developed to track sailboats out of the U.S. Naval academy in Annapolis, MD. So if you want to go pointing fingers, point it at the U.S. Navy. Now, if your claiming TAPR shameless tried to ride the coattails of APRS, then I will agree with you. Their only real contribution to APRS was to form the APRS working group, which they quickly cut and run from leaving a adminstrative FUBAR'ed mess behind. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. Have you even run APRS? Up until about 1998 it didn't even use the internet, and the way it uses the internet is as a giant data collector. APRS is firmly in the RF domain, even if some people use it to track their homes ;-( APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. TAPR bashing aside, APRS has generated quite a bit of interest in the hobby, and a strong case could be made it has prolonged interest in RF based packet radio. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. Ahh.... now that is the rub, isn't it? "anything interesting or useful" What do you suggest? The only other popular packet application on the horizon I see is WinLink. You may not like that, but those are the facts. And oh, did I mention, WinLink has a form of APRS position reporting in it as well. Charles, you interest in some of streaming protocols is well placed. This could be a killer application if further developed and refined. If your that concerned, I suggest putting efforts into that. |
Thanks for showing everyone you lack a real understanding of APRS.
Ignorance is bliss. Charles Brabham wrote: APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. In the US, tying up equipment to do APRS has taken the place of astrology, numerology, or socialism a quick ( lack of ) intelligence test. Charles, N5PVL |
Thanks for showing everyone you lack a real understanding of APRS.
Ignorance is bliss. Charles Brabham wrote: APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. In the US, tying up equipment to do APRS has taken the place of astrology, numerology, or socialism a quick ( lack of ) intelligence test. Charles, N5PVL |
I'll stand by my post, "JDB" - whatever that is.
"J. D. B." wrote in message ... Thanks for showing everyone you lack a real understanding of APRS. Ignorance is bliss. Charles Brabham wrote: APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. |
I'll stand by my post, "JDB" - whatever that is.
"J. D. B." wrote in message ... Thanks for showing everyone you lack a real understanding of APRS. Ignorance is bliss. Charles Brabham wrote: APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. |
That's fine, you can stand by it and have your own opinion. But it does
show you don't understand nor comprehend the capability. Charles Brabham wrote: I'll stand by my post, "JDB" - whatever that is. "J. D. B." wrote in message ... Thanks for showing everyone you lack a real understanding of APRS. Ignorance is bliss. Charles Brabham wrote: APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. |
That's fine, you can stand by it and have your own opinion. But it does
show you don't understand nor comprehend the capability. Charles Brabham wrote: I'll stand by my post, "JDB" - whatever that is. "J. D. B." wrote in message ... Thanks for showing everyone you lack a real understanding of APRS. Ignorance is bliss. Charles Brabham wrote: APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. |
John, Winlink has from day one (Aug 2004) when I called Steve k4cjx and
asked how can I help.. And was told all packeteers are (Explicitive removed). If you must know email me privately .... Quickly found found that winlink wants to coexist with NO ONE.. So we tried that in fact I have tried 5 times nmow to solicit cooperation from winlink.. they have an agenda... They want to pursue that agenda and do it alone... If you wish to file your comments with the ARRL regarding their bandwidth proposal, there is little time left to do so. Comments should be sent to: It is my understanding that the proposal, in it's current form, will allow WL2K stations control of nearly 40% of ALL of our current allocations in the 10, 15, 20, 40, and 80 meter bands. This does not include their efforts to swallow up 1/2 of the 30 meter band. CW users will give up the most when you consider that these users will share their remaining bandwidth with all "narrow" digital modes ... which is everything BUT WL2K. Also, packet radio will forever be laid to rest on the HF bands, as the proposal will eliminate those miniscule parts of the bands for their auto-forwarding. If it's OK with you to give up 40% of your favorite bands to internet e-mail spewing Pactor III robots, then disregard this message, and your wish will come true. The ARRL is wearing blinders, and can only see one direction at this time, and that's WL2K. I don't intend to stand idly by and give up 40% of our most popular bands so some rich dudes in their motor homes, or on sailboats, can enjoy cheating the legitimate ISP's out of the fees that they charge for providing this service. I am all in favor of reorganizing our allocations in an effort to accommodate new digital modes, but this proposal takes way too much from the 98% of amateur radio operators who are not interested in turning our hobby into a cheap internet e-mail gateway for the rich and priviledged. Oh yeah, they will cry emergency communications, and the "amateur radio inernet e-mail for every EM's desk" motto, but it's just not worth it. Tell the ARRL how you feel ... this could certainly be your last chance to do so. Ponder this ... if these new wideband modes are soooo efficient, then why do they require 20 Khz of space? If you give packet radio 20 Khz, it too could be much faster. The speed limit on packet radio is now determined by the pitiful amount of bandwidth allocated to them. Why does WL2K, a proprietary mode, with very high startup costs deserve all of this spectrum when packet radio has had to deal with the microscopic slices of bandwidth for all of these years??? It just smells of yesterday's garbage, and I don't think that the proposal, in it's current form, will benefit anyone but the 2% minority fighting for 40% of our bands. For the record ... I do NOT, nor do I plan to utilize packet radio on the HF bands. My concerns are for the service in general, and the negative impact this proposal will have. Best 73, Luke Bannister AD4MG -------------- Deputy State Emergency Radio Officer - Digital Communications Virginia RACES, Inc. "John Galt" wrote in message om... "Charles Brabham" wrote in message: APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. Hi Charles: I don't believe that is true. If you'll check early issues of Gateway (I think around 1993) you'll see APRS was initially developed to track sailboats out of the U.S. Naval academy in Annapolis, MD. So if you want to go pointing fingers, point it at the U.S. Navy. Now, if your claiming TAPR shameless tried to ride the coattails of APRS, then I will agree with you. Their only real contribution to APRS was to form the APRS working group, which they quickly cut and run from leaving a adminstrative FUBAR'ed mess behind. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. Have you even run APRS? Up until about 1998 it didn't even use the internet, and the way it uses the internet is as a giant data collector. APRS is firmly in the RF domain, even if some people use it to track their homes ;-( APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. TAPR bashing aside, APRS has generated quite a bit of interest in the hobby, and a strong case could be made it has prolonged interest in RF based packet radio. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. Ahh.... now that is the rub, isn't it? "anything interesting or useful" What do you suggest? The only other popular packet application on the horizon I see is WinLink. You may not like that, but those are the facts. And oh, did I mention, WinLink has a form of APRS position reporting in it as well. Charles, you interest in some of streaming protocols is well placed. This could be a killer application if further developed and refined. If your that concerned, I suggest putting efforts into that. |
Yes indeed there is an agenda, and that agenda does NOT
use Amateur Radio to move the traffic. The entire concept is flawed when you consider how it will fail in emergencies. -- ... Hank http://home.earthlink.net/~horedson http://home.earthlink.net/~w0rli "Jerry" wrote in message ... John, Winlink has from day one (Aug 2004) when I called Steve k4cjx and asked how can I help.. And was told all packeteers are (Explicitive removed). If you must know email me privately ... Quickly found found that winlink wants to coexist with NO ONE.. So we tried that in fact I have tried 5 times nmow to solicit cooperation from winlink.. they have an agenda... They want to pursue that agenda and do it alone... If you wish to file your comments with the ARRL regarding their bandwidth proposal, there is little time left to do so. Comments should be sent to: It is my understanding that the proposal, in it's current form, will allow WL2K stations control of nearly 40% of ALL of our current allocations in the 10, 15, 20, 40, and 80 meter bands. This does not include their efforts to swallow up 1/2 of the 30 meter band. CW users will give up the most when you consider that these users will share their remaining bandwidth with all "narrow" digital modes ... which is everything BUT WL2K. Also, packet radio will forever be laid to rest on the HF bands, as the proposal will eliminate those miniscule parts of the bands for their auto-forwarding. If it's OK with you to give up 40% of your favorite bands to internet e-mail spewing Pactor III robots, then disregard this message, and your wish will come true. The ARRL is wearing blinders, and can only see one direction at this time, and that's WL2K. I don't intend to stand idly by and give up 40% of our most popular bands so some rich dudes in their motor homes, or on sailboats, can enjoy cheating the legitimate ISP's out of the fees that they charge for providing this service. I am all in favor of reorganizing our allocations in an effort to accommodate new digital modes, but this proposal takes way too much from the 98% of amateur radio operators who are not interested in turning our hobby into a cheap internet e-mail gateway for the rich and priviledged. Oh yeah, they will cry emergency communications, and the "amateur radio inernet e-mail for every EM's desk" motto, but it's just not worth it. Tell the ARRL how you feel ... this could certainly be your last chance to do so. Ponder this ... if these new wideband modes are soooo efficient, then why do they require 20 Khz of space? If you give packet radio 20 Khz, it too could be much faster. The speed limit on packet radio is now determined by the pitiful amount of bandwidth allocated to them. Why does WL2K, a proprietary mode, with very high startup costs deserve all of this spectrum when packet radio has had to deal with the microscopic slices of bandwidth for all of these years??? It just smells of yesterday's garbage, and I don't think that the proposal, in it's current form, will benefit anyone but the 2% minority fighting for 40% of our bands. For the record ... I do NOT, nor do I plan to utilize packet radio on the HF bands. My concerns are for the service in general, and the negative impact this proposal will have. Best 73, Luke Bannister AD4MG -------------- Deputy State Emergency Radio Officer - Digital Communications Virginia RACES, Inc. "John Galt" wrote in message om... "Charles Brabham" wrote in message: APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks associated with TAPR in the US. Hi Charles: I don't believe that is true. If you'll check early issues of Gateway (I think around 1993) you'll see APRS was initially developed to track sailboats out of the U.S. Naval academy in Annapolis, MD. So if you want to go pointing fingers, point it at the U.S. Navy. Now, if your claiming TAPR shameless tried to ride the coattails of APRS, then I will agree with you. Their only real contribution to APRS was to form the APRS working group, which they quickly cut and run from leaving a adminstrative FUBAR'ed mess behind. The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep. Have you even run APRS? Up until about 1998 it didn't even use the internet, and the way it uses the internet is as a giant data collector. APRS is firmly in the RF domain, even if some people use it to track their homes ;-( APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off all interest in the hobby. TAPR bashing aside, APRS has generated quite a bit of interest in the hobby, and a strong case could be made it has prolonged interest in RF based packet radio. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be interesting or useful. Ahh.... now that is the rub, isn't it? "anything interesting or useful" What do you suggest? The only other popular packet application on the horizon I see is WinLink. You may not like that, but those are the facts. And oh, did I mention, WinLink has a form of APRS position reporting in it as well. Charles, you interest in some of streaming protocols is well placed. This could be a killer application if further developed and refined. If your that concerned, I suggest putting efforts into that. |
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