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AD5TH Tower Project Completed - Pics Online
"Charlie" wrote in message ... 75 ft guyed tower with 21 foot mast. 2M M2 HO LOOP antenna at 95 ft. M2 2M9SSB beam antenna at 90 ft. The difference from antennas at around 30 ft to the same antennas at 90-95 ft is astonishing. Anyone considering raising their antennas should "just do it" 1. http://deepsouthnet.net/tower.html I am founder and net control for the Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net located in Union,Mississippi. Come join us 7 nights a week at 8:30PM CDT on 144.240 MHz USB. We have 10-15 or more check-ins nightly with 38 on our All Time Total Roster and nearly 25 on our Active Roster! The net has grown from it's first Roll Call on April 8,2005 at an amazing rate. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net Do I understand that the guy wires terminate to trees? Is that a permanent arrangement? -- ----- Joe S. |
Thank you all very much for your kindness and courtesy in responding to my
post. Typically those that berate others have significant problems with self esteem. Oh..as for those "sins"...mine are already forgiven. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Joe S." wrote in message ... "Charlie" wrote in message ... 75 ft guyed tower with 21 foot mast. 2M M2 HO LOOP antenna at 95 ft. M2 2M9SSB beam antenna at 90 ft. The difference from antennas at around 30 ft to the same antennas at 90-95 ft is astonishing. Anyone considering raising their antennas should "just do it" 1. http://deepsouthnet.net/tower.html I am founder and net control for the Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net located in Union,Mississippi. Come join us 7 nights a week at 8:30PM CDT on 144.240 MHz USB. We have 10-15 or more check-ins nightly with 38 on our All Time Total Roster and nearly 25 on our Active Roster! The net has grown from it's first Roll Call on April 8,2005 at an amazing rate. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net Do I understand that the guy wires terminate to trees? Is that a permanent arrangement? -- ----- Joe S. |
they may be forgiven, but that won't keep a tower in the air nor make it
safer to climb. those sins are things you should seriously look at correcting as they all affect the strength and safety of your investment as well as anyone working on it or playing near it. "Charlie" wrote in message ... Thank you all very much for your kindness and courtesy in responding to my post. Typically those that berate others have significant problems with self esteem. Oh..as for those "sins"...mine are already forgiven. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Joe S." wrote in message ... "Charlie" wrote in message ... 75 ft guyed tower with 21 foot mast. 2M M2 HO LOOP antenna at 95 ft. M2 2M9SSB beam antenna at 90 ft. The difference from antennas at around 30 ft to the same antennas at 90-95 ft is astonishing. Anyone considering raising their antennas should "just do it" 1. http://deepsouthnet.net/tower.html I am founder and net control for the Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net located in Union,Mississippi. Come join us 7 nights a week at 8:30PM CDT on 144.240 MHz USB. We have 10-15 or more check-ins nightly with 38 on our All Time Total Roster and nearly 25 on our Active Roster! The net has grown from it's first Roll Call on April 8,2005 at an amazing rate. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net Do I understand that the guy wires terminate to trees? Is that a permanent arrangement? -- ----- Joe S. |
Those trees have withstood every storm the past 30+ years.....
Any tower can be blown down no matter what ..just let mother nature have her way. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Dave" wrote in message ... they may be forgiven, but that won't keep a tower in the air nor make it safer to climb. those sins are things you should seriously look at correcting as they all affect the strength and safety of your investment as well as anyone working on it or playing near it. "Charlie" wrote in message ... Thank you all very much for your kindness and courtesy in responding to my post. Typically those that berate others have significant problems with self esteem. Oh..as for those "sins"...mine are already forgiven. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Joe S." wrote in message ... "Charlie" wrote in message ... 75 ft guyed tower with 21 foot mast. 2M M2 HO LOOP antenna at 95 ft. M2 2M9SSB beam antenna at 90 ft. The difference from antennas at around 30 ft to the same antennas at 90-95 ft is astonishing. Anyone considering raising their antennas should "just do it" 1. http://deepsouthnet.net/tower.html I am founder and net control for the Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net located in Union,Mississippi. Come join us 7 nights a week at 8:30PM CDT on 144.240 MHz USB. We have 10-15 or more check-ins nightly with 38 on our All Time Total Roster and nearly 25 on our Active Roster! The net has grown from it's first Roll Call on April 8,2005 at an amazing rate. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net Do I understand that the guy wires terminate to trees? Is that a permanent arrangement? -- ----- Joe S. |
"Charlie" wrote in message ... Those trees have withstood every storm the past 30+ years..... Any tower can be blown down no matter what ..just let mother nature have her way. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net No, any tower cannot blow down no matter what. A properly installed tower, installed to manufacturer's specs, will withstand at least the wind load specified by the manufacturer. In my initial reply in which I pointed out that the tower was guyed to one or more trees, I was trying to be nice. Now that others have chimed in, no more nice guy. That piece of **** will come down on your house, possibly on neighbors' houses, and possibly on a power line. And when it does, this is a little bit of what will happen: -- your homeowner's insurance company will send out a tower engineer to check the wreckage and will refuse to pay one penny. -- your neighbors will sue for damages, their insurance companies will send out real tower engineers to inspect, and your homeowner's liability insurance will not pay a penny. -- the power company will send out their engineers and will charge you to repair the damage to their lines and equipment. -- you'll be damn lucky if no one is killed or injured when it comes down. And if anyone is, you could be looking at jail time, depending on whether or not your local prosecuting attorney wants to be a badass. Here is a short list of problems with your tower: -- not installed any way close to manufacturer's specs -- mixed parts of different towers; what the hell is a "Sears" tower? Intended for TV antenna use? There is a BIG difference between real towers (Rohn) and make-believe towers. -- base is a joke; a guyed 50-foot 25G requires 1.5 cubic yards of concrete. You are supporting 75 feet with less than a yard. -- base is an even bigger joke when you consider that you used a homemade, non-galvanized base plate welded to some odd pieces of pipe buried a couple of feet in the ground. Welds are not cleaned and galvanized -- they will rust and break. Did you ever stop to think why tower parts are hot-dipped galvanized? -- guyed to trees. Problem is not that the trees will come down, problem is that in a big blow, the trees will sway one way, pulling the guy wires with them, while the tower is swaying in the other direction, thereby popping the guy wires. -- guyed to power pole. Did you clear this with the local power company first? When they discover what you have done to their pole, you'll need a lawyer and a big bank account. -- too close to house -- when that thing comes down, it'll take out a big piece of house. -- no thrust bearing so all the whipping around the mast will do will be absorbed by the rotator. But that's okay, when the tower comes down you can replace the rotator by standing on the ground. -- did you use high-tensile steel for the mast or another piece of Radio Shack junk? I'll look for you in QST -- Silent Keys in a couple of months. -- ----- Joe S. "Dave" wrote in message ... they may be forgiven, but that won't keep a tower in the air nor make it safer to climb. those sins are things you should seriously look at correcting as they all affect the strength and safety of your investment as well as anyone working on it or playing near it. "Charlie" wrote in message ... Thank you all very much for your kindness and courtesy in responding to my post. Typically those that berate others have significant problems with self esteem. Oh..as for those "sins"...mine are already forgiven. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Joe S." wrote in message ... "Charlie" wrote in message ... 75 ft guyed tower with 21 foot mast. 2M M2 HO LOOP antenna at 95 ft. M2 2M9SSB beam antenna at 90 ft. The difference from antennas at around 30 ft to the same antennas at 90-95 ft is astonishing. Anyone considering raising their antennas should "just do it" 1. http://deepsouthnet.net/tower.html I am founder and net control for the Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net located in Union,Mississippi. Come join us 7 nights a week at 8:30PM CDT on 144.240 MHz USB. We have 10-15 or more check-ins nightly with 38 on our All Time Total Roster and nearly 25 on our Active Roster! The net has grown from it's first Roll Call on April 8,2005 at an amazing rate. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net Do I understand that the guy wires terminate to trees? Is that a permanent arrangement? -- ----- Joe S. |
"Charlie" wrote in : Those trees have withstood every storm the past 30+ years..... Any tower can be blown down no matter what ..just let mother nature have her way. Well, Charlie, those trees have withstood mother nature up til now. Whether or not they are healthy, they now are supporting a 90 foot tower, in addition to their own wind load. Things are different now. As far as ANY tower can be blown down.... not really true for a properly engineered and maintained structure. Ed K7AAT |
Thank you Joe for your unsolicited candor.....
-- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Joe S." wrote in message ... "Charlie" wrote in message ... Those trees have withstood every storm the past 30+ years..... Any tower can be blown down no matter what ..just let mother nature have her way. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net No, any tower cannot blow down no matter what. A properly installed tower, installed to manufacturer's specs, will withstand at least the wind load specified by the manufacturer. In my initial reply in which I pointed out that the tower was guyed to one or more trees, I was trying to be nice. Now that others have chimed in, no more nice guy. That piece of **** will come down on your house, possibly on neighbors' houses, and possibly on a power line. And when it does, this is a little bit of what will happen: -- your homeowner's insurance company will send out a tower engineer to check the wreckage and will refuse to pay one penny. -- your neighbors will sue for damages, their insurance companies will send out real tower engineers to inspect, and your homeowner's liability insurance will not pay a penny. -- the power company will send out their engineers and will charge you to repair the damage to their lines and equipment. -- you'll be damn lucky if no one is killed or injured when it comes down. And if anyone is, you could be looking at jail time, depending on whether or not your local prosecuting attorney wants to be a badass. Here is a short list of problems with your tower: -- not installed any way close to manufacturer's specs -- mixed parts of different towers; what the hell is a "Sears" tower? Intended for TV antenna use? There is a BIG difference between real towers (Rohn) and make-believe towers. -- base is a joke; a guyed 50-foot 25G requires 1.5 cubic yards of concrete. You are supporting 75 feet with less than a yard. -- base is an even bigger joke when you consider that you used a homemade, non-galvanized base plate welded to some odd pieces of pipe buried a couple of feet in the ground. Welds are not cleaned and galvanized -- they will rust and break. Did you ever stop to think why tower parts are hot-dipped galvanized? -- guyed to trees. Problem is not that the trees will come down, problem is that in a big blow, the trees will sway one way, pulling the guy wires with them, while the tower is swaying in the other direction, thereby popping the guy wires. -- guyed to power pole. Did you clear this with the local power company first? When they discover what you have done to their pole, you'll need a lawyer and a big bank account. -- too close to house -- when that thing comes down, it'll take out a big piece of house. -- no thrust bearing so all the whipping around the mast will do will be absorbed by the rotator. But that's okay, when the tower comes down you can replace the rotator by standing on the ground. -- did you use high-tensile steel for the mast or another piece of Radio Shack junk? I'll look for you in QST -- Silent Keys in a couple of months. -- ----- Joe S. "Dave" wrote in message ... they may be forgiven, but that won't keep a tower in the air nor make it safer to climb. those sins are things you should seriously look at correcting as they all affect the strength and safety of your investment as well as anyone working on it or playing near it. "Charlie" wrote in message ... Thank you all very much for your kindness and courtesy in responding to my post. Typically those that berate others have significant problems with self esteem. Oh..as for those "sins"...mine are already forgiven. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Joe S." wrote in message ... "Charlie" wrote in message ... 75 ft guyed tower with 21 foot mast. 2M M2 HO LOOP antenna at 95 ft. M2 2M9SSB beam antenna at 90 ft. The difference from antennas at around 30 ft to the same antennas at 90-95 ft is astonishing. Anyone considering raising their antennas should "just do it" 1. http://deepsouthnet.net/tower.html I am founder and net control for the Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net located in Union,Mississippi. Come join us 7 nights a week at 8:30PM CDT on 144.240 MHz USB. We have 10-15 or more check-ins nightly with 38 on our All Time Total Roster and nearly 25 on our Active Roster! The net has grown from it's first Roll Call on April 8,2005 at an amazing rate. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net Do I understand that the guy wires terminate to trees? Is that a permanent arrangement? -- ----- Joe S. |
.... Joe S. was a bit harsh.
However, I have a cousin who is a mucky-muck in the "insurance scam", frankly it is my belief that some of those guys would beat pennies out of widows if it paid enough. If it were me, I'd see if I couldn't work on the tree thing a bit and set up some steel-galvanized pipes set in a generous block of concrete and perhaps tied to deadmen to make sure the "insurance thieves" did not find a new victim in me... .... I have about the same respect for insurance people as I do for lawyers, since the supreme court decision on confiscation of private property--they now join those ranks--the constitution seems damn clear on the point to me--indeed, I would expect any high school kid with a proper course in american history to make a better decision than they managed--so nothing surprises me--and for that reason I'd always plan for the worse... John "Charlie" wrote in message ... Thank you Joe for your unsolicited candor..... -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Joe S." wrote in message ... "Charlie" wrote in message ... Those trees have withstood every storm the past 30+ years..... Any tower can be blown down no matter what ..just let mother nature have her way. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net No, any tower cannot blow down no matter what. A properly installed tower, installed to manufacturer's specs, will withstand at least the wind load specified by the manufacturer. In my initial reply in which I pointed out that the tower was guyed to one or more trees, I was trying to be nice. Now that others have chimed in, no more nice guy. That piece of **** will come down on your house, possibly on neighbors' houses, and possibly on a power line. And when it does, this is a little bit of what will happen: -- your homeowner's insurance company will send out a tower engineer to check the wreckage and will refuse to pay one penny. -- your neighbors will sue for damages, their insurance companies will send out real tower engineers to inspect, and your homeowner's liability insurance will not pay a penny. -- the power company will send out their engineers and will charge you to repair the damage to their lines and equipment. -- you'll be damn lucky if no one is killed or injured when it comes down. And if anyone is, you could be looking at jail time, depending on whether or not your local prosecuting attorney wants to be a badass. Here is a short list of problems with your tower: -- not installed any way close to manufacturer's specs -- mixed parts of different towers; what the hell is a "Sears" tower? Intended for TV antenna use? There is a BIG difference between real towers (Rohn) and make-believe towers. -- base is a joke; a guyed 50-foot 25G requires 1.5 cubic yards of concrete. You are supporting 75 feet with less than a yard. -- base is an even bigger joke when you consider that you used a homemade, non-galvanized base plate welded to some odd pieces of pipe buried a couple of feet in the ground. Welds are not cleaned and galvanized -- they will rust and break. Did you ever stop to think why tower parts are hot-dipped galvanized? -- guyed to trees. Problem is not that the trees will come down, problem is that in a big blow, the trees will sway one way, pulling the guy wires with them, while the tower is swaying in the other direction, thereby popping the guy wires. -- guyed to power pole. Did you clear this with the local power company first? When they discover what you have done to their pole, you'll need a lawyer and a big bank account. -- too close to house -- when that thing comes down, it'll take out a big piece of house. -- no thrust bearing so all the whipping around the mast will do will be absorbed by the rotator. But that's okay, when the tower comes down you can replace the rotator by standing on the ground. -- did you use high-tensile steel for the mast or another piece of Radio Shack junk? I'll look for you in QST -- Silent Keys in a couple of months. -- ----- Joe S. "Dave" wrote in message ... they may be forgiven, but that won't keep a tower in the air nor make it safer to climb. those sins are things you should seriously look at correcting as they all affect the strength and safety of your investment as well as anyone working on it or playing near it. "Charlie" wrote in message ... Thank you all very much for your kindness and courtesy in responding to my post. Typically those that berate others have significant problems with self esteem. Oh..as for those "sins"...mine are already forgiven. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Joe S." wrote in message ... "Charlie" wrote in message ... 75 ft guyed tower with 21 foot mast. 2M M2 HO LOOP antenna at 95 ft. M2 2M9SSB beam antenna at 90 ft. The difference from antennas at around 30 ft to the same antennas at 90-95 ft is astonishing. Anyone considering raising their antennas should "just do it" 1. http://deepsouthnet.net/tower.html I am founder and net control for the Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net located in Union,Mississippi. Come join us 7 nights a week at 8:30PM CDT on 144.240 MHz USB. We have 10-15 or more check-ins nightly with 38 on our All Time Total Roster and nearly 25 on our Active Roster! The net has grown from it's first Roll Call on April 8,2005 at an amazing rate. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net Do I understand that the guy wires terminate to trees? Is that a permanent arrangement? -- ----- Joe S. |
Ed wrote:
As far as ANY tower can be blown down.... not really true for a properly engineered and maintained structure. I saw on The National Geographic Channel yesterday where all towers left standing will be blown down when our sun explodes about five billion years from now. :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Charlie,
It's very obvious a lot of hard work went into that project, this makes it even harder to face criticism, but don't lose sight of the fact that it's constructive (even though it's deteriorating rapidly.) There really are numerous problems with your installation, and some will inevitably lead to catastrophic failure and potential loss of life. Be careful around that thing until you can fix it up. In the least, install dedicated anchor points set in a sizeable concrete base, shorten your top mast and get a thrust bearing up there. Put at least 1/3 of your rotatable mast below the bearing. This is by no means a complete list, but I think the majority of readers will agree it's a good place to start. Rob |
Well considering he is the former AB7SL it wouldnt surprise me this is
his creation. If you do a net search on good ole charlie you will find lots of things. Including his imitating a couple of amateurs on the newsgroups to promote his spamming of the Newsgroups with the Antenna sales. I understand that 2 of them were really unhappy about that and were getting lawyers and soon after that charles disappeared from the net as AB7SL and now he has reappeared. Charles charles, when you going to learn. -- Rick Everett, Washington Remove THREAD to reply. |
Hmm Well considering he is the former AB7SL it wouldnt surprise me this
is his creation. If you do a net search on good ole charlie you will find lots of things. Keep your head down. |
In rec.radio.amateur.dx Rick Scott wrote:
Hmm Well considering he is the former AB7SL *That* explains a lot. Peter Lemken DF5JT Berlin -- Was schlechten Geschmack so berauschend macht, ist die aristokratische Wonne der Verärgerung. -- Charles Baudelaire |
Hi Mac,
We had certain constraints to work around such as available guy anchors vs. distance of tower from shack since it is a VHF installation I needed to be as close to the shack as possible for transmission line loss considerations even with 9914. Even though we have over 40 acres the tower needed to be close as hardline was not an option. I am in the country here so there is little building regulation to adhere to or approvals of construction projects. We could and still might add concreted guy anchors although they would give more interference for the mower and foot traffic in the back and front yards and that was a concern of the xyl. The tower has a very low wind load on it with those 2 small lightweight VHF antennas. I know it is very common for hams to overload their "properly engineered and maintained " towers. As far as mating 2 different brands of towers I was on a budget and had access to 45ft of what has been called "Sears" brand and 40 ft of 25g. We altered our design from an 85ft erection down to 75ft as a safety precaution during and after the installation. Yes trees do sway but as the photos show they don't sway where the guys are attached. Our insurance man has added the structure to our list of covered items in our policy so evidently it was OK for coverage. I suppose that no matter how we installed this tower and I so naively posted a photo link there are some that will berate it. TY for your civility however..seriously it was quite refreshing..... -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "J. Mc Laughlin" wrote in message ... Dear Charlie AD5TH: You have performed a great service by presenting the results of K5HGR's engineering and your work. Its educational value is almost beyond calculation. In this part of the world one would need to have a licensed professional engineer (PE) sign off on such a structure. Clearly, down your way one has freedom to innovate without concern for issues that we are required to consider. My goodness. I recently completed a task of a tall tower in a populated area where I had to have design work from the factory's PE, have that work reviewed by a local PE, get permission from the local municipality, have the airport sign off on the height, take soil samples so that a safe foundation could be designed, watch the fabrication of the foundation to make sure that it was done right, and on and on... Course, we do get serious wind up here and it just would not do to kill someone with a tower collapse. You sure are fortunate not to have all of the things we have to put up with and not even have to worry about wind. Do keep us posted. The whole story has yet to be revealed. 73 Mac N8TT -- J. Mc Laughlin; Michigan U.S.A. Home: |
Good point...guess I'll have enough time then for VUCC!!!
-- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: As far as ANY tower can be blown down.... not really true for a properly engineered and maintained structure. I saw on The National Geographic Channel yesterday where all towers left standing will be blown down when our sun explodes about five billion years from now. :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Thanks for your tips Rob...
-- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Rob" wrote in message .. . Charlie, It's very obvious a lot of hard work went into that project, this makes it even harder to face criticism, but don't lose sight of the fact that it's constructive (even though it's deteriorating rapidly.) There really are numerous problems with your installation, and some will inevitably lead to catastrophic failure and potential loss of life. Be careful around that thing until you can fix it up. In the least, install dedicated anchor points set in a sizeable concrete base, shorten your top mast and get a thrust bearing up there. Put at least 1/3 of your rotatable mast below the bearing. This is by no means a complete list, but I think the majority of readers will agree it's a good place to start. Rob |
I moved to Mississippi dumb-ass...I knew nothing about your alleged
"lawyers". BIOYA!!! -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "R. Scott" wrote in message ... Well considering he is the former AB7SL it wouldnt surprise me this is his creation. If you do a net search on good ole charlie you will find lots of things. Including his imitating a couple of amateurs on the newsgroups to promote his spamming of the Newsgroups with the Antenna sales. I understand that 2 of them were really unhappy about that and were getting lawyers and soon after that charles disappeared from the net as AB7SL and now he has reappeared. Charles charles, when you going to learn. -- Rick Everett, Washington Remove THREAD to reply. |
Double posting Rick? I see you still are a Usenet novice but still always
good for a chuckle. -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Rick Scott" wrote in message oups.com... Hmm Well considering he is the former AB7SL it wouldnt surprise me this is his creation. If you do a net search on good ole charlie you will find lots of things. Keep your head down. |
Still the same charlie. And I dont think I said anything about me
getting a lawyer, Im just relaying what was said to me from a Gentleman who's name and ham radio callsign was used on USNET to bolster your comments. Funnything was, he didnt even use the internet. He was very curious about where it came from and wanted to know where. I pointed to Cable one to let them tell him. Funny you disappeard off the internet shortly after that. Coincidence I guess. Good luck with that tower of yours. Im sure we will be reading much more about it some day soon. |
Charlie wrote: Double posting Rick? I see you still are a Usenet novice but still always good for a chuckle. Nope, canceled the 1st one, but appearently your ISP doesnt accept cancels. If you say Im a novice, then thats your opinion. Say did you ever learn what headers were and what they can tell you. |
Yes one tends to "disappear" off Usenet when they move residences and don't
get back online for a year or so. Your powers of reason and deduction leave a lot to be desired. But anyway have a great day and work on that logic processing - OK? -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Rick Scott" wrote in message ups.com... Still the same charlie. And I dont think I said anything about me getting a lawyer, Im just relaying what was said to me from a Gentleman who's name and ham radio callsign was used on USNET to bolster your comments. Funnything was, he didnt even use the internet. He was very curious about where it came from and wanted to know where. I pointed to Cable one to let them tell him. Funny you disappeard off the internet shortly after that. Coincidence I guess. Good luck with that tower of yours. Im sure we will be reading much more about it some day soon. |
Yeah back in the early 80's.
----------------------------- Path: sn-us!sn-xit-11!sn-xit-09!sn-xit-14!supernews.com!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.g ooglegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Rick Scott" Newsgroups: alt.ham-radio.vhf-uhf,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.dx Subject: AD5TH Tower Project Completed - Pics Online Date: 27 Jun 2005 12:38:51 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: . com References: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.76.32.144 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1119901136 4299 127.0.0.1 (27 Jun 2005 19:38:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:38:56 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.76.32.144; posting-account=-YuqBA0AAADEWAY3wYFR3S9BTZUy0-aa Xref: sn-us alt.ham-radio.vhf-uhf:44728 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:243736 rec.radio.amateur.dx:31830 ------------------------------ -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Rick Scott" wrote in message ups.com... Charlie wrote: Double posting Rick? I see you still are a Usenet novice but still always good for a chuckle. Nope, canceled the 1st one, but appearently your ISP doesnt accept cancels. If you say Im a novice, then thats your opinion. Say did you ever learn what headers were and what they can tell you. |
Rick here is a cut and paste from your QRZ page for your callsign of N7HJ
Ricky J Scott 5 77th Pl SW Everett WA 98203 USA HERE is the snippet.... -- "The only contest I enter is Sweepsteaks (Both CW and SSB) so look for me there. " --- Do you prefer New York Strip or Black Angus Rib Eye? Besides the logic processing you also need to work on spelling too...how old are you.. 9? And don't say it's a TYPO cuz it AIN'T! Like I said always good for a chuckle.... At least you can spell CW and SSB correctly....how long did those take to learn Ricky? -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Rick Scott" wrote in message ups.com... Charlie wrote: Double posting Rick? I see you still are a Usenet novice but still always good for a chuckle. Nope, canceled the 1st one, but appearently your ISP doesnt accept cancels. If you say Im a novice, then thats your opinion. Say did you ever learn what headers were and what they can tell you. |
Charlie wrote: Yeah back in the early 80's. ----------------------------- Path: Oh Really, So you called me a liar that you knew nothing about headers. So, now your saying that you were lying about that whole affair. Let me refresh you memory. So you say your an early 80s Internet user ... But in 2002 you claim to not know what the INTERNET was. And using an At the IRS.GOV addy wasnt too bright either. Some from the 80s Internet would know that. SO what gov or non profit system were you using back in the "80s" From: "CJ" Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.policy ,rec.radio.amateur.equipment Subject: W9INN Antennas Page now ONLINE! Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:56:11 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: Lines: 22 Hello Rick, I have no idea what in the world you are talking about...what are "headers" anyway? Lord bless you and your family.....hope to catch you on the air one of these days. Here is the link you asked about Rick.... --------------- Cushcraft R7 / R7000 "black box" photo w/component values, schematic, trap illustration, high SWR fix tips, and R7 / R7000 assembly -and- installation manuals all downloadable at this link..... http://www.ab7sl.com/index.html?row1col2=r7.html ---------------- 73 / DX de Charles AB7SL - Ham Radio Pages www.ab7sl.com |
Charlie wrote: Rick here is a cut and paste from your QRZ page for your callsign of N7HJ Ricky J Scott 5 77th Pl SW Everett WA 98203 USA HERE is the snippet.... -- "The only contest I enter is Sweepsteaks (Both CW and SSB) so look for me there. " --- Do you prefer New York Strip or Black Angus Rib Eye? Besides the logic processing you also need to work on spelling too...how old are you.. 9? And don't say it's a TYPO cuz it AIN'T! Like I said always good for a chuckle.... At least you can spell CW and SSB correctly....how long did those take to learn Ricky? -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net Ahhh Standard comeback there Charlie. Dive right to a Typo anywhere you can find it and try to deflect from the truth. Nice try. Dont worry, I wont bother you again, as your still they same ole charlie. Just dont start promoting your Affiliate programs again and dont forge headers again and you will not ever hear from me. Good luck with your tower, but as a matter of principle, you might want to save up a bit of rainy day cash for when the Insurance issue pops up. Let us know how the Power Company likes your Modification to thier Power Pole. Ours issue tickets for Nails in them. Wonder how a tower harness will go over. |
You make no sense...
Who ****ed in your Cheerios this morning anyway Ricky? -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Rick Scott" wrote in message oups.com... Charlie wrote: Yeah back in the early 80's. ----------------------------- Path: Oh Really, So you called me a liar that you knew nothing about headers. So, now your saying that you were lying about that whole affair. Let me refresh you memory. So you say your an early 80s Internet user ... But in 2002 you claim to not know what the INTERNET was. And using an At the IRS.GOV addy wasnt too bright either. Some from the 80s Internet would know that. SO what gov or non profit system were you using back in the "80s" From: "CJ" Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.policy ,rec.radio.amateur.equipment Subject: W9INN Antennas Page now ONLINE! Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:56:11 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: Lines: 22 Hello Rick, I have no idea what in the world you are talking about...what are "headers" anyway? Lord bless you and your family.....hope to catch you on the air one of these days. Here is the link you asked about Rick.... --------------- Cushcraft R7 / R7000 "black box" photo w/component values, schematic, trap illustration, high SWR fix tips, and R7 / R7000 assembly -and- installation manuals all downloadable at this link..... http://www.ab7sl.com/index.html?row1col2=r7.html ---------------- 73 / DX de Charles AB7SL - Ham Radio Pages www.ab7sl.com |
Hahahahaha!
OH YEAH sweepstakes - and - sweepsteaks Are just simple typos......give it a f__king rest moron... -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net "Rick Scott" wrote in message oups.com... Charlie wrote: Rick here is a cut and paste from your QRZ page for your callsign of N7HJ Ricky J Scott 5 77th Pl SW Everett WA 98203 USA HERE is the snippet.... -- "The only contest I enter is Sweepsteaks (Both CW and SSB) so look for me there. " --- Do you prefer New York Strip or Black Angus Rib Eye? Besides the logic processing you also need to work on spelling too...how old are you.. 9? And don't say it's a TYPO cuz it AIN'T! Like I said always good for a chuckle.... At least you can spell CW and SSB correctly....how long did those take to learn Ricky? -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net www.deepsouthnet.net Ahhh Standard comeback there Charlie. Dive right to a Typo anywhere you can find it and try to deflect from the truth. Nice try. Dont worry, I wont bother you again, as your still they same ole charlie. Just dont start promoting your Affiliate programs again and dont forge headers again and you will not ever hear from me. Good luck with your tower, but as a matter of principle, you might want to save up a bit of rainy day cash for when the Insurance issue pops up. Let us know how the Power Company likes your Modification to thier Power Pole. Ours issue tickets for Nails in them. Wonder how a tower harness will go over. |
"Charlie" wrote in message
... Our insurance man has added the structure to our list of covered items in our policy so evidently it was OK for coverage. Unfortunately, your local agent will have little or no input into any damage or property loss claim that you may make -- that is the adjusters and claim reps -- a whole another breed of cat (and not the domestic kind). If you get into personal injury or loss of life - it gets complicated very quickly. Fortunate that you don't have close neighbors. gb |
Unfortunately, your local agent will have little or no input into any damage
or property loss claim that you may make -- that is the adjusters and claim reps -- a whole another breed of cat (and not the domestic kind). If you get into personal injury or loss of life - it gets complicated very quickly. Fortunate that you don't have close neighbors. gb Yep underwriters are more than willing to add things to make more bucks. Getting the claim later is an all together another proposition. |
If an agent, a representative of an insurance company, sells and the company
accepts a property then anything that happens (if fortuitous, or accidental) to that property is covered as long as it falls within the policy language, perils insured against and property covered. The company can't come back AFTER a loss and deny payment because of something not defined in the policy. They can't just make it up after the fact. 73 "Rick Scott" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, your local agent will have little or no input into any damage or property loss claim that you may make -- that is the adjusters and claim reps -- a whole another breed of cat (and not the domestic kind). If you get into personal injury or loss of life - it gets complicated very quickly. Fortunate that you don't have close neighbors. gb Yep underwriters are more than willing to add things to make more bucks. Getting the claim later is an all together another proposition. |
"John" wrote in message news:Wkmye.61939$%Z2.8135@lakeread08... If an agent, a representative of an insurance company, sells and the company accepts a property then anything that happens (if fortuitous, or accidental) to that property is covered as long as it falls within the policy language, perils insured against and property covered. The company can't come back AFTER a loss and deny payment because of something not defined in the policy. They can't just make it up after the fact. 73 I'll bet that there's "language in the policy" that is sufficiently vague and flexible such that the company can stretch a loophole for anything that it wants. Maybe I'm too paranoid, but the insurance company expects that an insured property is a normal and typical example of materials and construction, and that due care was applied to the design. Further, the property should be in compliance with local existing building codes and standards. If you wired half your house with lamp cord, never got a permit, and have no record of inspection, do you think the company agent should know this by himself? If the loss is big enough, and especially if there's some unusual circumstances (fire inspector's report, neighbor's claims), then the company's lawyers have plenty of room to work in. You may have the utmost confidence in your own workmanship, but, if the insurance company is trying to avoid a $500k claim, all they have to do is say "no." So then what happens? You take the insurance company to court, and they ask you about your experience in soils engineering, concrete construction, structural engineering, calculation of wind loading, welding certifications, experience with lightning protection, etc. They will cut you up into very small pieces. Everything unusual about your property should be defined, and if your agent is still eager to sell you a policy despite your "creative engineering", then I would start to wonder why the agent is so desperate to sell policies. -- Ed WB6WSN El Cajon, CA USA |
John (nospam) wrote: If an agent, a representative of an insurance company, sells and the company accepts a property then anything that happens (if fortuitous, or accidental) to that property is covered as long as it falls within the policy language, perils insured against and property covered. The company can't come back AFTER a loss and deny payment because of something not defined in the policy. They can't just make it up after the fact. sadly they can try and then it becomes a matter of Lawyers and the roullete game that involves 73 "Rick Scott" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, your local agent will have little or no input into any damage or property loss claim that you may make -- that is the adjusters and claim reps -- a whole another breed of cat (and not the domestic kind). If you get into personal injury or loss of life - it gets complicated very quickly. Fortunate that you don't have close neighbors. gb Yep underwriters are more than willing to add things to make more bucks. Getting the claim later is an all together another proposition. |
"Ed Price" wrote in message
news:Ifpye.27243$ro.18610@fed1read02... "John" wrote in message news:Wkmye.61939$%Z2.8135@lakeread08... If an agent, a representative of an insurance company, sells and the company accepts a property then anything that happens (if fortuitous, or accidental) to that property is covered as long as it falls within the policy language, perils insured against and property covered. The company can't come back AFTER a loss and deny payment because of something not defined in the policy. They can't just make it up after the fact. 73 I'll bet that there's "language in the policy" that is sufficiently vague and flexible such that the company can stretch a loophole for anything that it wants. Maybe I'm too paranoid, but the insurance company expects that an insured property is a normal and typical example of materials and construction, and that due care was applied to the design. Further, the property should be in compliance with local existing building codes and standards. If you wired half your house with lamp cord, never got a permit, and have no record of inspection, do you think the company agent should know this by himself? If the loss is big enough, and especially if there's some unusual circumstances (fire inspector's report, neighbor's claims), then the company's lawyers have plenty of room to work in. You may have the utmost confidence in your own workmanship, but, if the insurance company is trying to avoid a $500k claim, all they have to do is say "no." So then what happens? You take the insurance company to court, and they ask you about your experience in soils engineering, concrete construction, structural engineering, calculation of wind loading, welding certifications, experience with lightning protection, etc. They will cut you up into very small pieces. Everything unusual about your property should be defined, and if your agent is still eager to sell you a policy despite your "creative engineering", then I would start to wonder why the agent is so desperate to sell policies. Um ... let me guess ... you don't carry a general liability rider? Or if you do, you were not careful to read the details? They are not expensive, and will cover anything ... and can even cover intentional neglegence by the owner. Every ham with a tower (or a pool, or horses, or a big dog, or ...) should have one. -- ... Hank http://home.earthlink.net/~horedson http://home.earthlink.net/~w0rli |
Hank Oredson wrote: "Ed Price" wrote in message news:Ifpye.27243$ro.18610@fed1read02... "John" wrote in message news:Wkmye.61939$%Z2.8135@lakeread08... If an agent, a representative of an insurance company, sells and the company accepts a property then anything that happens (if fortuitous, or accidental) to that property is covered as long as it falls within the policy language, perils insured against and property covered. The company can't come back AFTER a loss and deny payment because of something not defined in the policy. They can't just make it up after the fact. 73 I'll bet that there's "language in the policy" that is sufficiently vague and flexible such that the company can stretch a loophole for anything that it wants. Maybe I'm too paranoid, but the insurance company expects that an insured property is a normal and typical example of materials and construction, and that due care was applied to the design. Further, the property should be in compliance with local existing building codes and standards. If you wired half your house with lamp cord, never got a permit, and have no record of inspection, do you think the company agent should know this by himself? If the loss is big enough, and especially if there's some unusual circumstances (fire inspector's report, neighbor's claims), then the company's lawyers have plenty of room to work in. You may have the utmost confidence in your own workmanship, but, if the insurance company is trying to avoid a $500k claim, all they have to do is say "no." So then what happens? You take the insurance company to court, and they ask you about your experience in soils engineering, concrete construction, structural engineering, calculation of wind loading, welding certifications, experience with lightning protection, etc. They will cut you up into very small pieces. Everything unusual about your property should be defined, and if your agent is still eager to sell you a policy despite your "creative engineering", then I would start to wonder why the agent is so desperate to sell policies. Um ... let me guess ... you don't carry a general liability rider? Or if you do, you were not careful to read the details? They are not expensive, and will cover anything ... and can even cover intentional neglegence by the owner. Every ham with a tower (or a pool, or horses, or a big dog, or ...) should have one. Yes but you need everything first insurance with one company and then at the maximum but the minimums. You pay dearly for a general liability rider if you take it all into account. Yes you are protected. |
Hank Oredson wrote:
Um ... let me guess ... you don't carry a general liability rider? Or if you do, you were not careful to read the details? They are not expensive, and will cover anything ... and can even cover intentional neglegence by the owner. Every ham with a tower (or a pool, or horses, or a big dog, or ...) should have one. .... or kids. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Your trees will SNAP and your tower will fall down.
Sure, your antenna have little wind load, however, how much wind load is the TOWER ? Please inventory your gear for the ESTATE sale ! Luke Yes trees do sway but as the photos show they don't sway where the guys are attached. |
"Ron" wrote in message ... Hank Oredson wrote: "Ed Price" wrote in message news:Ifpye.27243$ro.18610@fed1read02... "John" wrote in message news:Wkmye.61939$%Z2.8135@lakeread08... If an agent, a representative of an insurance company, sells and the company accepts a property then anything that happens (if fortuitous, or accidental) to that property is covered as long as it falls within the policy language, perils insured against and property covered. The company can't come back AFTER a loss and deny payment because of something not defined in the policy. They can't just make it up after the fact. 73 I'll bet that there's "language in the policy" that is sufficiently vague and flexible such that the company can stretch a loophole for anything that it wants. Maybe I'm too paranoid, but the insurance company expects that an insured property is a normal and typical example of materials and construction, and that due care was applied to the design. Further, the property should be in compliance with local existing building codes and standards. If you wired half your house with lamp cord, never got a permit, and have no record of inspection, do you think the company agent should know this by himself? If the loss is big enough, and especially if there's some unusual circumstances (fire inspector's report, neighbor's claims), then the company's lawyers have plenty of room to work in. You may have the utmost confidence in your own workmanship, but, if the insurance company is trying to avoid a $500k claim, all they have to do is say "no." So then what happens? You take the insurance company to court, and they ask you about your experience in soils engineering, concrete construction, structural engineering, calculation of wind loading, welding certifications, experience with lightning protection, etc. They will cut you up into very small pieces. Everything unusual about your property should be defined, and if your agent is still eager to sell you a policy despite your "creative engineering", then I would start to wonder why the agent is so desperate to sell policies. Um ... let me guess ... you don't carry a general liability rider? Or if you do, you were not careful to read the details? They are not expensive, and will cover anything ... and can even cover intentional neglegence by the owner. Every ham with a tower (or a pool, or horses, or a big dog, or ...) should have one. Yes but you need everything first insurance with one company and then at the maximum but the minimums. You pay dearly for a general liability rider if you take it all into account. Yes you are protected. Hank, those general riders are expensive, and no, I don't have one. OTOH, I am not erecting a 75' tower, made with two dissimilar structural systems, joined together by amateur engineering and welding, a very minimal concrete base, and held in place with guy wires running to nearby trees and an illegal encroachment onto someone else's property. The OP wanted our opinion of his efforts; he got 'em. The extent of my insurance coverage has absolutely no bearing on the subject of AD5TH's tower project. -- Ed WB6WSN El Cajon, CA USA |
I admit I have only read the first few and the last post on this
subject, but I just have to offer my opinions.... This is Amateur Radio. If the insurance companies and the politicians had their ways, we probably would not do much of any of this. Here is a fellow who has takes his own unique circumstances and put up an experimental antenna support. He has chosen to accept the responsibility of haven chosen to do things differently. He has not done it the way I would have but only time will tell if he has fulfilled the structural requirements. I have been down my own path on towers since the early 1960's and experienced two failures. It never occurred to me to call the insurance company. I always made certain that the mess stayed within the confines of my property. Every tower project I have done has had at least one significant aspect that could be improved upon. The only problems I see with using a tree as a guy point is that it moves a little and you have to take care to not kill the tree. Dead trees are unreliable. In a lot of neighborhoods, land use is negotiable. Out here in the country I have come to accept that a few cows in the yard are something that happens from time to time. What constitutes encroachment is in the eye of the beholder... I have always wondered about the accepted practice of putting up a 60 foot tower of all the same size sections. It seems to me that the top half or at least third would be better if it were lighter. It certainly is not going to see the same stresses as the lower components. AD5TH lives in an area that sees some high winds, I hope this bad experience with the nay sayers does not keep him from sharing his experiences in the future. 73, de W8CCW On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:55:08 -0700, "Ed Price" wrote: Yes but you need everything first insurance with one company and then at the maximum but the minimums. You pay dearly for a general liability rider if you take it all into account. Yes you are protected. Hank, those general riders are expensive, and no, I don't have one. OTOH, I am not erecting a 75' tower, made with two dissimilar structural systems, joined together by amateur engineering and welding, a very minimal concrete base, and held in place with guy wires running to nearby trees and an illegal encroachment onto someone else's property. The OP wanted our opinion of his efforts; he got 'em. The extent of my insurance coverage has absolutely no bearing on the subject of AD5TH's tower project. |
We all know that that tower is a pile of junk
who in their right mind would use that sears tower ontop of the rohn ? The local elec. guys willl be stopping by his qth soon to get him to remove the unapproved guy wires on their pole. |
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