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HP204 power supply question
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Paul Erickson wrote:
I have an HP204 audio generator, with shot batteries, has anyone modified one of these to run strictly off the 120v mains? Any suggestions as to modifications would be greatly appreciated. cheers, Paul - VA7NT :email: You have to be more specific. Is it a 204A or B or C or D? What is the serial number? Are there any options (see the rear panel for something like option H01)? Answer these questions and I may be able to help. An ac power supply was standard in the 204C and D, for which I have the manual. Bob, W6NBI |
Bob Stein writes:
Paul Erickson wrote: I have an HP204 audio generator, with shot batteries, has anyone modified one of these to run strictly off the 120v mains? Any suggestions as to modifications would be greatly appreciated. cheers, Paul - VA7NT :email: You have to be more specific. Is it a 204A or B or C or D? What is the serial number? Are there any options (see the rear panel for something like option H01)? Answer these questions and I may be able to help. An ac power supply was standard in the 204C and D, for which I have the manual. Bob, W6NBI Hi Bob, Thanks for the reply. I will have to get back to you. The unit is out of town, and I won't be able to get to it for a few days. I am hoping to be able to modify the existing battery charging circuit so that the batteries will not be necessary. Thanks again for the time. cheers, Paul - VA7NT email: |
Bob Stein writes:
Paul Erickson wrote: I have an HP204 audio generator, with shot batteries, has anyone modified one of these to run strictly off the 120v mains? Any suggestions as to modifications would be greatly appreciated. cheers, Paul - VA7NT :email: You have to be more specific. Is it a 204A or B or C or D? What is the serial number? Are there any options (see the rear panel for something like option H01)? Answer these questions and I may be able to help. An ac power supply was standard in the 204C and D, for which I have the manual. Bob, W6NBI Hi Bob, Thanks for the reply. I will have to get back to you. The unit is out of town, and I won't be able to get to it for a few days. I am hoping to be able to modify the existing battery charging circuit so that the batteries will not be necessary. Thanks again for the time. cheers, Paul - VA7NT email: |
I have an HP204 audio generator, with shot batteries,
has anyone modified one of these to run strictly off the 120v mains? Paul- I don't have any information about the older 204A or 204B. I purchased an HP 204C from someone on E-Bay, that turned out to have badly leaking batteries. I could tell from the photograph that there had been leakage, so I bid accordingly! The corrosion was so bad that it would have been difficult to renovate the power supply. I also took the approach of changing it to an AC-only power supply. I was able to find a military manual on the web, TM 11-6625-1589-15-1, for the HP 204C. I also found a manual for the HP 204C/204D, but it was incomplete. Together they have about anything you need. I think you can find them by doing a Google search. It seems that the batteries are divided into four groups of five NiCd cells each. They are wired in two pairs, for a plus 13 volts and minus 13 volts supply. They normally operate in a trickle-charge mode, so each cell is about 1.3 volts. The AC battery charger provides sufficient current to operate the oscillator and also charge the batteries. The solution is simple. I used two twelve volt zener diodes, with each wired in place of a pair of battery packs. The battery charger supplies sufficient current so voltage doesn't drop below the zener knee of the diodes. Although twelve is less than the usual thirteen volts, I found a reference in the manuals that the power supply voltage was rated to be a minimum of plus and minus eleven volts. Certainly the voltage would have been twelve volts nominal when operating from batteries alone. I can't find my notes, but believe the diodes used were 1N4742A, 12 Volt 5% 1 Watt zener diodes. Two are supplied in a pack from Radio Shack, stock number 276-563. The hardest part was cleaning up the mess from the batteries! 73, Fred, K4DII |
I have an HP204 audio generator, with shot batteries,
has anyone modified one of these to run strictly off the 120v mains? Paul- I don't have any information about the older 204A or 204B. I purchased an HP 204C from someone on E-Bay, that turned out to have badly leaking batteries. I could tell from the photograph that there had been leakage, so I bid accordingly! The corrosion was so bad that it would have been difficult to renovate the power supply. I also took the approach of changing it to an AC-only power supply. I was able to find a military manual on the web, TM 11-6625-1589-15-1, for the HP 204C. I also found a manual for the HP 204C/204D, but it was incomplete. Together they have about anything you need. I think you can find them by doing a Google search. It seems that the batteries are divided into four groups of five NiCd cells each. They are wired in two pairs, for a plus 13 volts and minus 13 volts supply. They normally operate in a trickle-charge mode, so each cell is about 1.3 volts. The AC battery charger provides sufficient current to operate the oscillator and also charge the batteries. The solution is simple. I used two twelve volt zener diodes, with each wired in place of a pair of battery packs. The battery charger supplies sufficient current so voltage doesn't drop below the zener knee of the diodes. Although twelve is less than the usual thirteen volts, I found a reference in the manuals that the power supply voltage was rated to be a minimum of plus and minus eleven volts. Certainly the voltage would have been twelve volts nominal when operating from batteries alone. I can't find my notes, but believe the diodes used were 1N4742A, 12 Volt 5% 1 Watt zener diodes. Two are supplied in a pack from Radio Shack, stock number 276-563. The hardest part was cleaning up the mess from the batteries! 73, Fred, K4DII |
(Fred McKenzie) writes:
Thanks to all who replied. It turns out that the one I have is the 204c. I put two zeners and caps in place of the batteries and now the +/- voltages are correct. Now the rest of the trouble shooting begins. First of all, I am not able to adjust the bias voltage to the specified level. It stays at around 3v. The oscillator will work occasionally, and I tried cleaning the switch to get it more reliable with some contact cleaner and now I cannot get it to work at all with the case on. Any suggestions as to some likely trouble spots? There does not appear to be any damage from the batteries. Thanks in advance. cheers, Paul - VA7NT email: I have an HP204 audio generator, with shot batteries, has anyone modified one of these to run strictly off the 120v mains? Paul- I don't have any information about the older 204A or 204B. I purchased an HP 204C from someone on E-Bay, that turned out to have badly leaking batteries. I could tell from the photograph that there had been leakage, so I bid accordingly! The corrosion was so bad that it would have been difficult to renovate the power supply. I also took the approach of changing it to an AC-only power supply. I was able to find a military manual on the web, TM 11-6625-1589-15-1, for the HP 204C. I also found a manual for the HP 204C/204D, but it was incomplete. Together they have about anything you need. I think you can find them by doing a Google search. It seems that the batteries are divided into four groups of five NiCd cells each. They are wired in two pairs, for a plus 13 volts and minus 13 volts supply. They normally operate in a trickle-charge mode, so each cell is about 1.3 volts. The AC battery charger provides sufficient current to operate the oscillator and also charge the batteries. The solution is simple. I used two twelve volt zener diodes, with each wired in place of a pair of battery packs. The battery charger supplies sufficient current so voltage doesn't drop below the zener knee of the diodes. Although twelve is less than the usual thirteen volts, I found a reference in the manuals that the power supply voltage was rated to be a minimum of plus and minus eleven volts. Certainly the voltage would have been twelve volts nominal when operating from batteries alone. I can't find my notes, but believe the diodes used were 1N4742A, 12 Volt 5% 1 Watt zener diodes. Two are supplied in a pack from Radio Shack, stock number 276-563. The hardest part was cleaning up the mess from the batteries! 73, Fred, K4DII |
(Fred McKenzie) writes:
Thanks to all who replied. It turns out that the one I have is the 204c. I put two zeners and caps in place of the batteries and now the +/- voltages are correct. Now the rest of the trouble shooting begins. First of all, I am not able to adjust the bias voltage to the specified level. It stays at around 3v. The oscillator will work occasionally, and I tried cleaning the switch to get it more reliable with some contact cleaner and now I cannot get it to work at all with the case on. Any suggestions as to some likely trouble spots? There does not appear to be any damage from the batteries. Thanks in advance. cheers, Paul - VA7NT email: I have an HP204 audio generator, with shot batteries, has anyone modified one of these to run strictly off the 120v mains? Paul- I don't have any information about the older 204A or 204B. I purchased an HP 204C from someone on E-Bay, that turned out to have badly leaking batteries. I could tell from the photograph that there had been leakage, so I bid accordingly! The corrosion was so bad that it would have been difficult to renovate the power supply. I also took the approach of changing it to an AC-only power supply. I was able to find a military manual on the web, TM 11-6625-1589-15-1, for the HP 204C. I also found a manual for the HP 204C/204D, but it was incomplete. Together they have about anything you need. I think you can find them by doing a Google search. It seems that the batteries are divided into four groups of five NiCd cells each. They are wired in two pairs, for a plus 13 volts and minus 13 volts supply. They normally operate in a trickle-charge mode, so each cell is about 1.3 volts. The AC battery charger provides sufficient current to operate the oscillator and also charge the batteries. The solution is simple. I used two twelve volt zener diodes, with each wired in place of a pair of battery packs. The battery charger supplies sufficient current so voltage doesn't drop below the zener knee of the diodes. Although twelve is less than the usual thirteen volts, I found a reference in the manuals that the power supply voltage was rated to be a minimum of plus and minus eleven volts. Certainly the voltage would have been twelve volts nominal when operating from batteries alone. I can't find my notes, but believe the diodes used were 1N4742A, 12 Volt 5% 1 Watt zener diodes. Two are supplied in a pack from Radio Shack, stock number 276-563. The hardest part was cleaning up the mess from the batteries! 73, Fred, K4DII |
I am not able to adjust the bias voltage to the
specified level. It stays at around 3v. The oscillator will work occasionally, and I tried cleaning the switch to get it more reliable with some contact cleaner and now I cannot get it to work at all with the case on. Paul- Although I was happy with the power supply modification, I wasn't happy with the way the oscillator turned out. One thing you can try is using the contact cleaner on the contact blades to the rotors of the tuning capacitor. It seems that at least one of the two rotors is insulated from ground, so both sets of contacts need to be clean and have good tension. Problems I encountered include not oscillating, distortion and frequency errors, all at different frequency band and dial settings. I never was able to make it perfect (or even meet specs), but got it to work fairly consistently. I plan to take another look to see if adding capacitors across the zeners might help. That sounds like a good idea. 73, Fred, K4DII |
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