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VoiceMax Speech Processor...
VoiceMax is really gaining momentum!
Radio operators all over the world are enjoying the Voicemax advantage. Since VoiceMax doesn't use audio "clipping"... your audio is loud AND clear. What a concept! See what VoiceMax can do for you at http://www.telstar-electronics.com/voicemax.htm |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message ... VoiceMax is really gaining momentum! Radio operators all over the world are enjoying the Voicemax advantage. Since VoiceMax doesn't use audio "clipping"... your audio is loud AND clear. What a concept! See what VoiceMax can do for you at http://www.telstar-electronics.com/voicemax.htm What is the dB advantage of this vs. RF clipping for SSB? |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
On Jun 5, 2:25 pm, "Tio Pedro" wrote:
"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message ... VoiceMax is really gaining momentum! Radio operators all over the world are enjoying the Voicemax advantage. Since VoiceMax doesn't use audio "clipping"... your audio is loud AND clear. What a concept! See what VoiceMax can do for you at http://www.telstar-electronics.com/voicemax.htm What is the dB advantage of this vs. RF clipping for SSB? It is a splatter box add-on. |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
On Jun 5, 3:25*pm, "Tio Pedro" wrote:
"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message ... VoiceMax is really gaining momentum! Radio operators all over the world are enjoying the Voicemax advantage. Since VoiceMax doesn't use audio "clipping"... your audio is loud AND clear. What a concept! See what VoiceMax can do for you at http://www.telstar-electronics.com/voicemax.htm What is the dB advantage of this vs. RF clipping for SSB? The compression ratio of VoiceMax is fixed at 15:1 with distortion levels well below 1%. I suggest you read this for clarification... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_level_compression |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
On Jun 5, 4:26 am, Telstar Electronics
wrote: VoiceMax is really gaining momentum! Radio operators all over the world are enjoying the Voicemax advantage. Since VoiceMax doesn't use audio "clipping"... your audio is loud AND clear. What a concept! See what VoiceMax can do for you athttp://www.telstar-electronics.com/voicemax.htm Here we go again! Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Non sequitur. Your ACKS are Grid: CN89mg uncoordinated." ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W - Nomad the Network Engineer |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:25:44 -0400, "Tio Pedro"
wrote: | |"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message ... | VoiceMax is really gaining momentum! | Radio operators all over the world are enjoying the Voicemax | advantage. | Since VoiceMax doesn't use audio "clipping"... your audio is loud AND | clear. | What a concept! | | See what VoiceMax can do for you at | http://www.telstar-electronics.com/voicemax.htm | |What is the dB advantage of this vs. RF clipping for SSB? | | |---------------------- RF Clipping is superior to audio compression in SSB transmission. RF clipping will provide about 6dB improvement over audio compression alone. james |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
"james" wrote in message ... |---------------------- RF Clipping is superior to audio compression in SSB transmission. RF clipping will provide about 6dB improvement over audio compression alone. james Rhetorical question :) |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
On Jun 6, 4:17*pm, james wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:25:44 -0400, "Tio Pedro" wrote: ||"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message ... | VoiceMax is really gaining momentum! | Radio operators all over the world are enjoying the Voicemax | advantage. | Since VoiceMax doesn't use audio "clipping"... your audio is loud AND | clear. | What a concept! | | See what VoiceMax can do for you at |http://www.telstar-electronics.com/voicemax.htm | |What is the dB advantage of this vs. RF clipping for SSB? | | |---------------------- RF Clipping is superior to audio compression in SSB transmission. RF clipping will provide about 6dB improvement over audio compression alone. james James is correct... that the RF clipping technique is somewhat more effective. What he fails to mention is that it's more complex... and not easily installed into an existing radio. RF clipping also exihibits substantially more distortion. The VoiceMax installs easily... and provides tangible results. |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
On Jun 9, 7:25 am, Telstar Electronics
wrote: The VoiceMax installs easily... and provides tangible results. Lots of splatter immediately upon installation. |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
On Jun 9, 6:53*pm, cmdr buzz corey
wrote: On Jun 9, 7:25 am, Telstar Electronics wrote: The VoiceMax installs easily... and provides tangible results. Lots of splatter immediately upon installation. Actually, if adjusted correctly... no splatter... and 100% constant modulation. www.telstar-electronics.com |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:25:33 -0700 (PDT), Telstar Electronics
wrote: |On Jun 6, 4:17*pm, james wrote: | On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:25:44 -0400, "Tio Pedro" | | wrote: | | ||"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message | | ... | | VoiceMax is really gaining momentum! | | Radio operators all over the world are enjoying the Voicemax | | advantage. | | Since VoiceMax doesn't use audio "clipping"... your audio is loud AND | | clear. | | What a concept! | | | | See what VoiceMax can do for you at | |http://www.telstar-electronics.com/voicemax.htm | | | |What is the dB advantage of this vs. RF clipping for SSB? | | | | | |---------------------- | | RF Clipping is superior to audio compression in SSB transmission. RF | clipping will provide about 6dB improvement over audio compression | alone. | | james | |James is correct... that the RF clipping technique is somewhat more |effective. What he fails to mention is that it's more complex... and |not easily installed into an existing radio. RF clipping also |exihibits substantially more distortion. The VoiceMax installs |easily... and provides tangible results. |---------------- Actually as easy to design an RF Clipper as an audio compressor. True it is a bit more difficult to install. Audio clippers can be external to the transmitter and simpler to install and operate. A RF Clipper will install as easily as your internal audio compressor. Personally I would take RF clipping over Audio compression any day with SSB transmissions. If the post filters are good in enough RF clipping, there is not significant difference in distortion. james |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
On Jun 11, 8:44*am, james wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:25:33 -0700 (PDT), Telstar Electronics wrote: |On Jun 6, 4:17*pm, james wrote: | On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:25:44 -0400, "Tio Pedro" || wrote: | | ||"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message | | .... | | VoiceMax is really gaining momentum! | | Radio operators all over the world are enjoying the Voicemax | | advantage. | | Since VoiceMax doesn't use audio "clipping"... your audio is loud AND | | clear. | | What a concept! | | | | See what VoiceMax can do for you at | |http://www.telstar-electronics.com/voicemax.htm | | | |What is the dB advantage of this vs. RF clipping for SSB? | | | | | |---------------------- | | RF Clipping is superior to audio compression in SSB transmission. RF | clipping will provide about 6dB improvement over audio compression | alone. | | james | |James is correct... that the RF clipping technique is somewhat more |effective. What he fails to mention is that it's more complex... and |not easily installed into an existing radio. RF clipping also |exihibits substantially more distortion. The VoiceMax installs |easily... and provides tangible results. |---------------- Actually as easy to design an RF Clipper as an audio compressor. True it is a bit more difficult to install. Audio clippers can be external to the transmitter and simpler to install and operate. A RF Clipper will install as easily as your internal audio compressor. * Personally I would take RF clipping over Audio compression any day with SSB transmissions. If the post filters are good in enough RF clipping, there is not significant difference in distortion. james But I was under the impression that RF clippers only work on SSB?... and the installation involves tearing into the IF section? |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:36:55 -0700 (PDT), Telstar Electronics
wrote: |On Jun 11, 8:44*am, james wrote: | On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:25:33 -0700 (PDT), Telstar Electronics | | wrote: | | |On Jun 6, 4:17*pm, james wrote: | | On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:25:44 -0400, "Tio Pedro" | || wrote: | | | | | ||"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message | | | | ... | | | VoiceMax is really gaining momentum! | | | Radio operators all over the world are enjoying the Voicemax | | | advantage. | | | Since VoiceMax doesn't use audio "clipping"... your audio is loud AND | | | clear. | | | What a concept! | | | | | | See what VoiceMax can do for you at | | |http://www.telstar-electronics.com/voicemax.htm | | | | | |What is the dB advantage of this vs. RF clipping for SSB? | | | | | | | | |---------------------- | | | | RF Clipping is superior to audio compression in SSB transmission. RF | | clipping will provide about 6dB improvement over audio compression | | alone. | | | | james | | | |James is correct... that the RF clipping technique is somewhat more | |effective. What he fails to mention is that it's more complex... and | |not easily installed into an existing radio. RF clipping also | |exihibits substantially more distortion. The VoiceMax installs | |easily... and provides tangible results. | |---------------- | | Actually as easy to design an RF Clipper as an audio compressor. True | it is a bit more difficult to install. Audio clippers can be external | to the transmitter and simpler to install and operate. A RF Clipper | will install as easily as your internal audio compressor. * | | Personally I would take RF clipping over Audio compression any day | with SSB transmissions. If the post filters are good in enough RF | clipping, there is not significant difference in distortion. | | james | |But I was under the impression that RF clippers only work on SSB?... |and the installation involves tearing into the IF section? |-------------- Correct. An RF clipper an be inserted after the SSB filters or before. There are versions that do the clipping after the balance modualtor and before filters. Sherwood did a RF clipper for the Drake TR4 that was after the SSB filters and had crystal filters to restore the original bandwidth. Generally RF clipping is a bit more expensive than audio compression. Then you get what you pay for. james |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
In message , james
writes On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:36:55 -0700 (PDT), Telstar Electronics wrote: |On Jun 11, 8:44*am, james wrote: | On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:25:33 -0700 (PDT), Telstar Electronics | | wrote: | | |On Jun 6, 4:17*pm, james wrote: | | On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:25:44 -0400, "Tio Pedro" | || wrote: | | | | | ||"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message | | | | ... | | | VoiceMax is really gaining momentum! | | | Radio operators all over the world are enjoying the Voicemax | | | advantage. | | | Since VoiceMax doesn't use audio "clipping"... your audio is loud AND | | | clear. | | | What a concept! | | | | | | See what VoiceMax can do for you at | | |http://www.telstar-electronics.com/voicemax.htm | | | | | |What is the dB advantage of this vs. RF clipping for SSB? | | | | | | | | |---------------------- | | | | RF Clipping is superior to audio compression in SSB transmission. RF | | clipping will provide about 6dB improvement over audio compression | | alone. | | | | james | | | |James is correct... that the RF clipping technique is somewhat more | |effective. What he fails to mention is that it's more complex... and | |not easily installed into an existing radio. RF clipping also | |exihibits substantially more distortion. The VoiceMax installs | |easily... and provides tangible results. | |---------------- | | Actually as easy to design an RF Clipper as an audio compressor. True | it is a bit more difficult to install. Audio clippers can be external | to the transmitter and simpler to install and operate. A RF Clipper | will install as easily as your internal audio compressor. * | | Personally I would take RF clipping over Audio compression any day | with SSB transmissions. If the post filters are good in enough RF | clipping, there is not significant difference in distortion. | | james | |But I was under the impression that RF clippers only work on SSB?... |and the installation involves tearing into the IF section? |-------------- Correct. An RF clipper an be inserted after the SSB filters or before. There are versions that do the clipping after the balance modualtor and before filters. Sherwood did a RF clipper for the Drake TR4 that was after the SSB filters and had crystal filters to restore the original bandwidth. Generally RF clipping is a bit more expensive than audio compression. Then you get what you pay for. james I thought that there were some stand-alone RF clippers. Surely there is no reason why they cannot be external units, inserted in-line between the mic and the mic socket (ie audio in - audio out)? Obviously they have to contain 'all the works' (oscillator, balanced modulator, compressor, clipper, filters, balanced demodulator etc), but at least they are self-contained and universal. Regarding filtering, the main advantage of RF clippers is that they eliminate the effects of second-order distortion, and only have the distortion produced by in-band third order intermodulation. For cheapness and simplicity, if you leave out the SSB filtering (ie do everything at DSB), you will have at least twice the number of in-band IM products. But how much worse is this than having SSB filtering? -- Ian |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:03:36 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote: I thought that there were some stand-alone RF clippers. Surely there is no reason why they cannot be external units, inserted in-line between the mic and the mic socket (ie audio in - audio out)? At least Datong made a stand-alone unit. There was an article about RF-clipping and the Datong unit in Wireless World a few decades ago. Paul OH3LWR |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
I thought that there were some stand-alone RF clippers. Surely there is
no reason why they cannot be external units, inserted in-line between the mic and the mic socket (ie audio in - audio out)? Huh? How can you do RF clipping outside the unit? Not a chance... Any unit that's inserted in the mic jack is no RF clipper. www.telstar-electronics.com |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
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, Telstar Electronics writes I thought that there were some stand-alone RF clippers. Surely there is no reason why they cannot be external units, inserted in-line between the mic and the mic socket (ie audio in - audio out)? Huh? How can you do RF clipping outside the unit? Not a chance... Any unit that's inserted in the mic jack is no RF clipper. www.telstar-electronics.com As I said. "Obviously they have to contain 'all the works' (oscillator, balanced modulator, compressor, clipper, filters, balanced demodulator etc)." And, as Paul said, "At least Datong made a stand-alone unit. There was an article about RF-clipping and the Datong unit in Wireless World a few decades ago." But maybe Datong didn't know what they were doing. -- Ian |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
Huh? How can you do RF clipping outside the unit? Not a chance... Any unit that's inserted in the mic jack is no RF clipper. www.telstar-electronics.com As I said. "Obviously they have to contain 'all the works' (oscillator, balanced modulator, compressor, clipper, filters, balanced demodulator etc)." And, as Paul said, "At least Datong made a stand-alone unit. There was an article about RF-clipping and the Datong unit in Wireless World a few decades ago." But maybe Datong didn't know what they were doing. -- Ian They had a lot of company, and the residents here have a very short memory. Datong was second. Comdel made an RF clipper in the late 60's and early 70's. Mike input and amplifier, mixed up to 455 KHz, sideband generated, clipped the hell out of it, filtered it with a second filter, mixed back down to audio with the same LO for injection to your mike input jack. Every serious contester and DXer had one. Cost more than the receiver. W4ZCB |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
In message %x94k.205330$yE1.184476@attbi_s21, Harold E. Johnson
writes Huh? How can you do RF clipping outside the unit? Not a chance... Any unit that's inserted in the mic jack is no RF clipper. www.telstar-electronics.com As I said. "Obviously they have to contain 'all the works' (oscillator, balanced modulator, compressor, clipper, filters, balanced demodulator etc)." And, as Paul said, "At least Datong made a stand-alone unit. There was an article about RF-clipping and the Datong unit in Wireless World a few decades ago." But maybe Datong didn't know what they were doing. -- Ian They had a lot of company, and the residents here have a very short memory. Datong was second. Comdel made an RF clipper in the late 60's and early 70's. Mike input and amplifier, mixed up to 455 KHz, sideband generated, clipped the hell out of it, filtered it with a second filter, mixed back down to audio with the same LO for injection to your mike input jack. Every serious contester and DXer had one. Cost more than the receiver. W4ZCB Yes, a quick Google on "RF clipper"+Datong brings up lots of info - about Datong and lots of others. This is one of the first: http://www.qsl.net/m0ezp/radio-datong.html -- Ian |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
As I said. "Obviously they have to contain 'all the works' (oscillator, balanced modulator, compressor, clipper, filters, balanced demodulator etc)." That sounds very complex and expensive all right. Another problem I see is that they only work on SSB. My customers insist on something small that fits inside the radio and processes in all modes. The VoiceMax does that with less than 1% THD. Can't build them fast enough to keep them in stock... |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
In message
, Telstar Electronics writes As I said. "Obviously they have to contain 'all the works' (oscillator, balanced modulator, compressor, clipper, filters, balanced demodulator etc)." That sounds very complex and expensive all right. Another problem I see is that they only work on SSB. My customers insist on something small that fits inside the radio and processes in all modes. The VoiceMax does that with less than 1% THD. Can't build them fast enough to keep them in stock... Why do you think that they only work on SSB? Stand-alone RF clippers like the Datong are independent of transmit mode. They are audio in - audio out (with a bit of RF magic in between). They should work even on an audio PA system. -- Ian |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
Why do you think that they only work on SSB? Stand-alone RF clippers like the Datong are independent of transmit mode. They are audio in - audio out (with a bit of RF magic in between). They should work even on an audio PA system. OK, thanks for your input. |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Telstar Electronics writes As I said. "Obviously they have to contain 'all the works' (oscillator, balanced modulator, compressor, clipper, filters, balanced demodulator etc)." That sounds very complex and expensive all right. Another problem I see is that they only work on SSB. My customers insist on something small that fits inside the radio and processes in all modes. The VoiceMax does that with less than 1% THD. Can't build them fast enough to keep them in stock... Why do you think that they only work on SSB? Stand-alone RF clippers like the Datong are independent of transmit mode. They are audio in - audio out (with a bit of RF magic in between). They should work even on an audio PA system. Berhinger has consumed that nitch now, especially with ESSB. -- http://NewsReader.Com/ |
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Berhinger has consumed that nitch now, especially with ESSB.
LOL... a unit like that (http://www.nu9n.com/deq2496.html) would cost you at least $300. That's more than your whole station is worth! Come on... you know how frugal hams & cbers are. Get real. www.telstar-electronics.com |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
Telstar Electronics wrote:
Berhinger has consumed that nitch now, especially with ESSB. LOL... a unit like that (http://www.nu9n.com/deq2496.html) would cost you at least $300. That's more than your whole station is worth! Dream on, Brian. You can't touch my ts870 for less than $1000, more like $1200 if you can find one. Come on... you know how frugal hams & cbers are. Get real. www.telstar-electronics.com I'm hearing more and more voodoo audio these days so there are plenty of stations running rack gear, try more listening and less spamming your junk. -- http://NewsReader.Com/ |
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Dream on, Brian. You can't touch my ts870 for less than $1000, more like
$1200 if you can find one. You mean that old beat up one you got at the garage sale? I didn't know you ever got that thing working since it was under water and so rusty inside. Kudos on your technician skills... fixing up that old dog. |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
Telstar Electronics wrote:
Dream on, Brian. You can't touch my ts870 for less than $1000, more like $1200 if you can find one. You mean that old beat up one you got at the garage sale? I didn't know you ever got that thing working since it was under water and so rusty inside. Kudos on your technician skills... fixing up that old dog. What the hell are you smoking, Brian? I traded an ft-920 for this 870. -- http://NewsReader.Com/ |
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Laura Halliday VE7LDH * * "Non sequitur. Your ACKS are
Grid: CN89mg * * * * * * * * * *uncoordinated." ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W * * * - Nomad the Network Engineer Good to hear from you Laura. You can see a photo of the Voicemax speech processor in a radio... right before the radio was buttoned up at http://tinyurl.com/2t2usu |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
Telstar Electronics wrote:
Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Non sequitur. Your ACKS are Grid: CN89mg uncoordinated." ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W - Nomad the Network Engineer Good to hear from you Laura. You can see a photo of the Voicemax speech processor in a radio... right before the radio was buttoned up at http://tinyurl.com/2t2usu Appropriately, a CB radio, illegally modified. Only a CBer would fall for this "Speech Processor." |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
Appropriately, a CB radio, illegally modified. Only a CBer would fall for this
"Speech Processor." Laura, Evidently there are many radio operators worldwide that don't share your views... Thanks for your comment anyway... |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
Appropriately, a CB radio, illegally modified. Only a CBer would fall for this
"Speech Processor." Yes, VoiceMax is selling well. We are unable to keep up with the demand at this time. These units are back-ordered until late August08. |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message ... Appropriately, a CB radio, illegally modified. Only a CBer would fall for this "Speech Processor." Yes, VoiceMax is selling well. We are unable to keep up with the demand at this time. These units are back-ordered until late August08. sound more like the garbage that fell off of the BACK of the animal while it was taking a CRAP. OH - wait a minute - "back-ordered" - that is the convention that you go out and turn-around and order something? |
VoiceMax Speech Processor...
Telstar Electronics wrote:
Appropriately, a CB radio, illegally modified. Only a CBer would fall for this "Speech Processor." Yes, VoiceMax is selling well. We are unable to keep up with the demand at this time. These units are back-ordered until late August08. Just another example of how many morons are passing the so-called "exams" these days. |
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On Jul 2, 9:41*am, "Channel Cop" wrote:
sound more like the garbage that fell off of the BACK of the animal while it was taking a CRAP. *OH - wait a minute - "back-ordered" - that is the convention that you go out and turn-around and order something? Thanks for your comment. In regard to your email... more VoiceMax modules will be available earlier than expected... around August 1st. We should have a few left after the back-orders are sent out. www.telstar-electronics.com |
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On Jun 12, 11:35*am, Telstar Electronics
wrote: As I said. "Obviously they have to contain 'all the works' (oscillator, balanced modulator, compressor, clipper, filters, balanced demodulator etc)." That sounds very complex and expensive all right. Another problem I see is that they only work on SSB. My customers insist on something small that fits inside the radio and processes in all modes. The VoiceMax does that with less than 1% THD. Can't build them fast enough to keep them in stock... DF4ZS developed a RF speech clipper that fits into the Yaesu MH-31 microphone shell. This mic is used with the popular, tiny FT-817 transceiver along with others and in all speech modes. His clipper has a SSB IF. Details: http://jwm.de/afu/0ft817eng.htm Reviews: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2732 (6) There are no reviews of the VoiceMax on eham.net while there are 21 of the W4RT Electronics "One Big Punch" which uses a similar IC and can be installed either in the MH-31 or inside the case of the FT-817 et al. DF4ZS also makes an outboard RF Clipper with adjustable a.f. compression and integrated noise gate. If you don't mind tying up a computer to do your speech processing, VE3NEA developed freeware to work with a soundcard between the mic and the transmitter that functions as bandpass filter, 7-band equalizer, noise gate, compressor, and RF envelope clipper. http://www.dxatlas.com/VShaper/ |
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On Jul 29, 10:14*pm, Tom wrote:
DF4ZS developed a RF speech clipper that fits into the Yaesu MH-31 microphone shell. This mic is used with the popular, tiny FT-817 transceiver along with others and in all speech modes. His clipper has a SSB IF. Details:http://jwm.de/afu/0ft817eng.htm Reviews:http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2732(6) There are no reviews of the VoiceMax on eham.net while there are 21 of the W4RT Electronics "One Big Punch" which uses a similar IC and can be installed either in the MH-31 or inside the case of the FT-817 et al. DF4ZS also makes an outboard RF Clipper with adjustable a.f. compression and integrated noise gate. This DF4ZS is a clipping type processor... nothing like the VoiceMax audio compressor. You are correct, Since VoiceMax is a new product and there are only about 150 units in use worldwide... so far there are no reviews on Eham. Thanks for your interesting comments. www.telstar-electronics.com |
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"Telstar Electronics" wrote in message This DF4ZS is a clipping type processor... nothing like the VoiceMax audio compressor. That is true. SSB RF clipping is proven to deliver an honest 6 dB improvement. |
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