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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:05:17 -0700, Dick
wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:46:15 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote: On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:36:59 -0700, Dick wrote: Yes, but the one GMRS license covers literally everyone in your family. Aunts, uncles, cousins, in-laws, you name it, they are covered. Gets pretty cheap if 10 people get radios. Better double check the fine print. I though it was for a single household, not for the entire extended family. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom OK. Here's the fine print. 95.1 The General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS). (a) The GMRS is a land mobile radio service available to persons for short-distance two-way communications to facilitate the activities of licensees and their immediate family members. Each licensee manages a system consisting of one or more stations. -- and -- 95.179 Individuals who may be station operators. (a) An individual GMRS system licensee may permit immediate family members to be station operators in his or her GMRS system. Immediate family members are the: (1) Licensee; (2) Licensee's spouse; (3) Licensee's children, grandchildren, stepchildren; (4) Licensee's parents, grandparents, stepparents; (5) Licensee's brothers, sisters; (6) Licensee's aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews; and (7) Licensee's in-laws. Note that the regulations only identify immediate family members. It says nothing about them being in the same household. It would probably be stretching it some if everyone wasn't in the same town, or within a few miles of each other, but the regulations do not specifically address this. They only address being on the same "system." Dick - W6CCD Please, no jokes about places where an entire county could operate under a single license. |
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:57:27 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:05:17 -0700, Dick wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:46:15 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote: On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:36:59 -0700, Dick wrote: Yes, but the one GMRS license covers literally everyone in your family. Aunts, uncles, cousins, in-laws, you name it, they are covered. Gets pretty cheap if 10 people get radios. Better double check the fine print. I though it was for a single household, not for the entire extended family. OK. Here's the fine print. 95.179 Individuals who may be station operators. (a) An individual GMRS system licensee may permit immediate family members to be station operators in his or her GMRS system. Immediate family members are the: (1) Licensee; (2) Etc Note that the regulations only identify immediate family members. It Thanks for looking that up. A bit more generous than I thought. I happened to be in Costco today and looked at a Motorola set which referred to a large number of FRS + GMRS frequencies being available. Based on an earlier posting, I spent a few minutes reading everything visible on both sides of the packaging. As suggested in that posting, the word "license" appeared nowhere in the text. They sure don't seem to feel any need to help the buyer stay legal. Still doesn't work for a non-profit organization situation, where the connections are not through blood and marriage. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:57:27 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:05:17 -0700, Dick wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:46:15 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote: On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:36:59 -0700, Dick wrote: Yes, but the one GMRS license covers literally everyone in your family. Aunts, uncles, cousins, in-laws, you name it, they are covered. Gets pretty cheap if 10 people get radios. Better double check the fine print. I though it was for a single household, not for the entire extended family. OK. Here's the fine print. 95.179 Individuals who may be station operators. (a) An individual GMRS system licensee may permit immediate family members to be station operators in his or her GMRS system. Immediate family members are the: (1) Licensee; (2) Etc Note that the regulations only identify immediate family members. It Thanks for looking that up. A bit more generous than I thought. I happened to be in Costco today and looked at a Motorola set which referred to a large number of FRS + GMRS frequencies being available. Based on an earlier posting, I spent a few minutes reading everything visible on both sides of the packaging. As suggested in that posting, the word "license" appeared nowhere in the text. They sure don't seem to feel any need to help the buyer stay legal. Still doesn't work for a non-profit organization situation, where the connections are not through blood and marriage. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
wrote in message ... On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:57:27 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote: I happened to be in Costco today and looked at a Motorola set which referred to a large number of FRS + GMRS frequencies being available. Based on an earlier posting, I spent a few minutes reading everything visible on both sides of the packaging. As suggested in that posting, the word "license" appeared nowhere in the text. They sure don't seem to feel any need to help the buyer stay legal. It's in the manual when you open it up.. but yes, they should be mentioning licensing on the outer packaging. They do tell you not to use it on GMRS channels without a license (these radios use FRS power levels on FRS frequencies). |
wrote in message ... On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:57:27 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote: I happened to be in Costco today and looked at a Motorola set which referred to a large number of FRS + GMRS frequencies being available. Based on an earlier posting, I spent a few minutes reading everything visible on both sides of the packaging. As suggested in that posting, the word "license" appeared nowhere in the text. They sure don't seem to feel any need to help the buyer stay legal. It's in the manual when you open it up.. but yes, they should be mentioning licensing on the outer packaging. They do tell you not to use it on GMRS channels without a license (these radios use FRS power levels on FRS frequencies). |
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:41:13 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:57:27 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote: I happened to be in Costco today and looked at a Motorola set which referred to a large number of FRS + GMRS frequencies being available. Based on an earlier posting, I spent a few minutes reading everything visible on both sides of the packaging. As suggested in that posting, the word "license" appeared nowhere in the text. They sure don't seem to feel any need to help the buyer stay legal. It's in the manual when you open it up.. but yes, they should be mentioning licensing on the outer packaging. They do tell you not to use it on GMRS channels without a license (these radios use FRS power levels on FRS frequencies). Yes, I've seen those as well. As a licensed ham operator, I tend to be sensitive to being properly licensed to transmit. If they mentioned this, it would no doubt hurt sales. And they can always fall back on "it is the purchaser's responsiblility to be licensed". Considering where most of these are sold, depending on the salesperson to know this is not a good bet. Of course, a GMRS license only tests your ability to write a check and mail it to the correct address. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:41:13 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:57:27 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote: I happened to be in Costco today and looked at a Motorola set which referred to a large number of FRS + GMRS frequencies being available. Based on an earlier posting, I spent a few minutes reading everything visible on both sides of the packaging. As suggested in that posting, the word "license" appeared nowhere in the text. They sure don't seem to feel any need to help the buyer stay legal. It's in the manual when you open it up.. but yes, they should be mentioning licensing on the outer packaging. They do tell you not to use it on GMRS channels without a license (these radios use FRS power levels on FRS frequencies). Yes, I've seen those as well. As a licensed ham operator, I tend to be sensitive to being properly licensed to transmit. If they mentioned this, it would no doubt hurt sales. And they can always fall back on "it is the purchaser's responsiblility to be licensed". Considering where most of these are sold, depending on the salesperson to know this is not a good bet. Of course, a GMRS license only tests your ability to write a check and mail it to the correct address. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
I would venture to say most all purchased at Wal-Mart, K-mart, etc.
are used without licenses. Pay $75.00 to use two $15.00 radios?! Joe consumer just isn't going to do it especially with the chance of being discovered next to zero. Randy AB9GO Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote in message . .. On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:50:42 +0900, "Brenda Ann" wrote: Hypothetically, I would guess that some of these radios are used without licenses. |
I would venture to say most all purchased at Wal-Mart, K-mart, etc.
are used without licenses. Pay $75.00 to use two $15.00 radios?! Joe consumer just isn't going to do it especially with the chance of being discovered next to zero. Randy AB9GO Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote in message . .. On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:50:42 +0900, "Brenda Ann" wrote: Hypothetically, I would guess that some of these radios are used without licenses. |
Yes, I've seen those as well. As a licensed ham operator, I tend to be
sensitive to being properly licensed to transmit. .... Of course, a GMRS license only tests your ability to write a check and mail it to the correct address. There is no intent to test the users ability or knowledge, and that is not the reason for requiring a license for GMRS (or business, public service, special emergency, etc.). As a licensed service, GMRS allows use of higher power radios (up to 50 watt transmitter output), as well as gain antennas, repeaters, etc. Requiring a license (and identifying when transmitting) allows identifying and tracking down a station which causes interference, necessary when you start using higher power, gain antenna, etc. The license also provides any restrictions or conditions on the use of the radio. For example, two of the GMRS pairs are not allowed to be used within approximately 75 miles of Canada - and that is clearly stated on the license when you get it (and in the regulations if you bother to read them). And NO GMRS frequencies are legal outside of the U.S. - you can't take a GMRS radio to Canada or any other country and legally use it, even though Canada does recognize FRS. Tests done on most of the bubble pack GMRS/FRS radios show they do not produce any higher effective radiated power on the GMRS frequencies than on the FRS - what they are giving you is a useless 22 channel radio instead of a useless 14 channel radio. The other issue directly related to the lack of performance is the antenna requirement for FRS (integrated non-removable no gain), which isn't a whole lot better than a dummy load. Carl Ham, GMRS, & Commercial |
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