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Murray Green, K3BEQ January 5th 04 06:40 PM

Cell Wave Query
 

Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the
expected life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole? Do not
have the model number but the cost was close to $600 when purchased.
The antenna is cut for 2 meters. Realize that a number of factors
can be involved such as weather conditions, area installed etc. In this
case it is up 80' off ground level and 300' above sea level just outside
of WashDC.

Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?

Thanks.
73 Murray, K3BEQ

Ed G. January 6th 04 02:13 AM



Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the
expected life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole?


1. Its "Celwave", not "Cell Wave". (Search also "RFS Celwave")

2. Celwave was formerly Phelps Dodge.

3. The model you want for 2 meters is the PD340-3.

4. A properly installed antenna with properly installed and sealed
feedlines will probably last longer than you.


Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?


Other comparable manufacturer are Andrew, Sinclair, and Decibel
Products. Quality is comparable amongst all.


Ed WB6SAT

Ed G. January 6th 04 02:13 AM



Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the
expected life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole?


1. Its "Celwave", not "Cell Wave". (Search also "RFS Celwave")

2. Celwave was formerly Phelps Dodge.

3. The model you want for 2 meters is the PD340-3.

4. A properly installed antenna with properly installed and sealed
feedlines will probably last longer than you.


Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?


Other comparable manufacturer are Andrew, Sinclair, and Decibel
Products. Quality is comparable amongst all.


Ed WB6SAT

Murray Green, K3BEQ January 6th 04 11:45 PM


Thank you, however, I doubt very seriously any antenna is going to
last over 70 years. But appreciate your input. Best estimate I
received from those in the business of installing the antennas is
in the area of 15-20 years.

"Ed G." wrote:

Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the
expected life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole?


1. Its "Celwave", not "Cell Wave". (Search also "RFS Celwave")

2. Celwave was formerly Phelps Dodge.

3. The model you want for 2 meters is the PD340-3.

4. A properly installed antenna with properly installed and sealed
feedlines will probably last longer than you.

Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?


Other comparable manufacturer are Andrew, Sinclair, and Decibel
Products. Quality is comparable amongst all.

Ed WB6SAT


Murray Green, K3BEQ January 6th 04 11:45 PM


Thank you, however, I doubt very seriously any antenna is going to
last over 70 years. But appreciate your input. Best estimate I
received from those in the business of installing the antennas is
in the area of 15-20 years.

"Ed G." wrote:

Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the
expected life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole?


1. Its "Celwave", not "Cell Wave". (Search also "RFS Celwave")

2. Celwave was formerly Phelps Dodge.

3. The model you want for 2 meters is the PD340-3.

4. A properly installed antenna with properly installed and sealed
feedlines will probably last longer than you.

Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?


Other comparable manufacturer are Andrew, Sinclair, and Decibel
Products. Quality is comparable amongst all.

Ed WB6SAT


Murray Green, K3BEQ January 6th 04 11:46 PM


Thank you, however, I doubt very seriously any antenna is going to
last over 70 years. But appreciate your input. Best estimate I
received from those in the business of installing the antennas is
in the area of 15-20 years.

"Ed G." wrote:

Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the
expected life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole?


1. Its "Celwave", not "Cell Wave". (Search also "RFS Celwave")

2. Celwave was formerly Phelps Dodge.

3. The model you want for 2 meters is the PD340-3.

4. A properly installed antenna with properly installed and sealed
feedlines will probably last longer than you.

Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?


Other comparable manufacturer are Andrew, Sinclair, and Decibel
Products. Quality is comparable amongst all.

Ed WB6SAT


Murray Green, K3BEQ January 6th 04 11:46 PM


Thank you, however, I doubt very seriously any antenna is going to
last over 70 years. But appreciate your input. Best estimate I
received from those in the business of installing the antennas is
in the area of 15-20 years.

"Ed G." wrote:

Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the
expected life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole?


1. Its "Celwave", not "Cell Wave". (Search also "RFS Celwave")

2. Celwave was formerly Phelps Dodge.

3. The model you want for 2 meters is the PD340-3.

4. A properly installed antenna with properly installed and sealed
feedlines will probably last longer than you.

Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?


Other comparable manufacturer are Andrew, Sinclair, and Decibel
Products. Quality is comparable amongst all.

Ed WB6SAT


Murray Green, K3BEQ January 6th 04 11:46 PM


Thank you, however, I doubt very seriously any antenna is going to
last over 70 years. But appreciate your input. Best estimate I
received from those in the business of installing the antennas is
in the area of 15-20 years.

"Ed G." wrote:

Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the
expected life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole?


1. Its "Celwave", not "Cell Wave". (Search also "RFS Celwave")

2. Celwave was formerly Phelps Dodge.

3. The model you want for 2 meters is the PD340-3.

4. A properly installed antenna with properly installed and sealed
feedlines will probably last longer than you.

Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?


Other comparable manufacturer are Andrew, Sinclair, and Decibel
Products. Quality is comparable amongst all.

Ed WB6SAT


Murray Green, K3BEQ January 6th 04 11:46 PM


Thank you, however, I doubt very seriously any antenna is going to
last over 70 years. But appreciate your input. Best estimate I
received from those in the business of installing the antennas is
in the area of 15-20 years.

"Ed G." wrote:

Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the
expected life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole?


1. Its "Celwave", not "Cell Wave". (Search also "RFS Celwave")

2. Celwave was formerly Phelps Dodge.

3. The model you want for 2 meters is the PD340-3.

4. A properly installed antenna with properly installed and sealed
feedlines will probably last longer than you.

Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?


Other comparable manufacturer are Andrew, Sinclair, and Decibel
Products. Quality is comparable amongst all.

Ed WB6SAT


Murray Green, K3BEQ January 6th 04 11:46 PM


Thank you, however, I doubt very seriously any antenna is going to
last over 70 years. But appreciate your input. Best estimate I
received from those in the business of installing the antennas is
in the area of 15-20 years.

"Ed G." wrote:

Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the
expected life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole?


1. Its "Celwave", not "Cell Wave". (Search also "RFS Celwave")

2. Celwave was formerly Phelps Dodge.

3. The model you want for 2 meters is the PD340-3.

4. A properly installed antenna with properly installed and sealed
feedlines will probably last longer than you.

Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?


Other comparable manufacturer are Andrew, Sinclair, and Decibel
Products. Quality is comparable amongst all.

Ed WB6SAT


Murray Green, K3BEQ January 6th 04 11:46 PM


Thank you, however, I doubt very seriously any antenna is going to
last over 70 years. But appreciate your input. Best estimate I
received from those in the business of installing the antennas is
in the area of 15-20 years.

"Ed G." wrote:

Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the
expected life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole?


1. Its "Celwave", not "Cell Wave". (Search also "RFS Celwave")

2. Celwave was formerly Phelps Dodge.

3. The model you want for 2 meters is the PD340-3.

4. A properly installed antenna with properly installed and sealed
feedlines will probably last longer than you.

Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?


Other comparable manufacturer are Andrew, Sinclair, and Decibel
Products. Quality is comparable amongst all.

Ed WB6SAT


Ed G. January 7th 04 02:18 AM




Thank you, however, I doubt very seriously any antenna is going to
last over 70 years. But appreciate your input. Best estimate I
received from those in the business of installing the antennas is
in the area of 15-20 years.


Heh heh, well maybe you sounded "decrepit" to me in your original
posting? Anyway, the 15-20 figure is good. If you use heliax, seal the
hell properly out of all connectors, and mount the antenna and heliax very
firmly, those no reason other than extremes of nature (lightning,
huricane, etc,) to prevent it from lasting longer.



Ed

Ed G. January 7th 04 02:18 AM




Thank you, however, I doubt very seriously any antenna is going to
last over 70 years. But appreciate your input. Best estimate I
received from those in the business of installing the antennas is
in the area of 15-20 years.


Heh heh, well maybe you sounded "decrepit" to me in your original
posting? Anyway, the 15-20 figure is good. If you use heliax, seal the
hell properly out of all connectors, and mount the antenna and heliax very
firmly, those no reason other than extremes of nature (lightning,
huricane, etc,) to prevent it from lasting longer.



Ed

Murray Green, K3BEQ January 7th 04 03:57 PM



**Still hanging in there at almost 73. Agree on the sealing. Club has
a perfectionist who does electronics on boats and is a stickler on
doing things right, especially sealing. Again, thank you.
73 Murray, K3BEQ
=======================

"Ed G." wrote:


Thank you, however, I doubt very seriously any antenna is going to
last over 70 years. But appreciate your input. Best estimate I
received from those in the business of installing the antennas is
in the area of 15-20 years.


Heh heh, well maybe you sounded "decrepit" to me in your original
posting? Anyway, the 15-20 figure is good. If you use heliax, seal the
hell properly out of all connectors, and mount the antenna and heliax very
firmly, those no reason other than extremes of nature (lightning,
huricane, etc,) to prevent it from lasting longer.

Ed


Murray Green, K3BEQ January 7th 04 03:57 PM



**Still hanging in there at almost 73. Agree on the sealing. Club has
a perfectionist who does electronics on boats and is a stickler on
doing things right, especially sealing. Again, thank you.
73 Murray, K3BEQ
=======================

"Ed G." wrote:


Thank you, however, I doubt very seriously any antenna is going to
last over 70 years. But appreciate your input. Best estimate I
received from those in the business of installing the antennas is
in the area of 15-20 years.


Heh heh, well maybe you sounded "decrepit" to me in your original
posting? Anyway, the 15-20 figure is good. If you use heliax, seal the
hell properly out of all connectors, and mount the antenna and heliax very
firmly, those no reason other than extremes of nature (lightning,
huricane, etc,) to prevent it from lasting longer.

Ed


Crazy George January 8th 04 12:31 AM

Murray:

Don't be too hasty. I have a DB-410 with a set of DB-224 elements
interlaced and a 6 meter "J" out the top which has been up at this location
on a 100' tower since 1986, and was installed at another location for well
over 10 years before that. I admit we have little icing, and the highest
winds have been 85 MPH, but the performance has not degraded to a degree
measurable by range loss.

On the other hand, a better example might be my pre-WW2 Workshop brand beam.
Lets see, 2004 minus 1940 = 64. Check back in 6 years.

--
W5VPQ
Crazy George
Remove N O and S P A M imbedded in return address
"Murray Green, K3BEQ" wrote in message
...

Thank you, however, I doubt very seriously any antenna is going to
last over 70 years. But appreciate your input. Best estimate I
received from those in the business of installing the antennas is
in the area of 15-20 years.





Crazy George January 8th 04 12:31 AM

Murray:

Don't be too hasty. I have a DB-410 with a set of DB-224 elements
interlaced and a 6 meter "J" out the top which has been up at this location
on a 100' tower since 1986, and was installed at another location for well
over 10 years before that. I admit we have little icing, and the highest
winds have been 85 MPH, but the performance has not degraded to a degree
measurable by range loss.

On the other hand, a better example might be my pre-WW2 Workshop brand beam.
Lets see, 2004 minus 1940 = 64. Check back in 6 years.

--
W5VPQ
Crazy George
Remove N O and S P A M imbedded in return address
"Murray Green, K3BEQ" wrote in message
...

Thank you, however, I doubt very seriously any antenna is going to
last over 70 years. But appreciate your input. Best estimate I
received from those in the business of installing the antennas is
in the area of 15-20 years.





Ron January 9th 04 12:51 AM

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:40:50 -0500, Murray Green, K3BEQ wrote:


Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the expected
life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole? Do not have the
model number but the cost was close to $600 when purchased. The antenna
is cut for 2 meters. Realize that a number of factors can be involved
such as weather conditions, area installed etc. In this case it is up
80' off ground level and 300' above sea level just outside of WashDC.

Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?

Thanks.
73 Murray, K3BEQ


That antenna will need some service to achieve a long life. The problem is
when the Coax harness deteriorates with time, I would expect that you will
need to replace or repair the harness ever 10-20 years or so. Most
antennas of this class fail from physical damage. Lightening, Ice Damage,
Tower climbers. or something else that physically damages the antenna.

Others in the class are Decibel, Andrew, Sinclair, Kathrein - Scala,
Maxrad.

Ron
N5HYH

Ron January 9th 04 12:51 AM

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:40:50 -0500, Murray Green, K3BEQ wrote:


Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the expected
life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole? Do not have the
model number but the cost was close to $600 when purchased. The antenna
is cut for 2 meters. Realize that a number of factors can be involved
such as weather conditions, area installed etc. In this case it is up
80' off ground level and 300' above sea level just outside of WashDC.

Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?

Thanks.
73 Murray, K3BEQ


That antenna will need some service to achieve a long life. The problem is
when the Coax harness deteriorates with time, I would expect that you will
need to replace or repair the harness ever 10-20 years or so. Most
antennas of this class fail from physical damage. Lightening, Ice Damage,
Tower climbers. or something else that physically damages the antenna.

Others in the class are Decibel, Andrew, Sinclair, Kathrein - Scala,
Maxrad.

Ron
N5HYH

Ed G. January 9th 04 02:41 AM



Others in the class are Decibel, Andrew, Sinclair, Kathrein - Scala,
Maxrad.


Ron, personally, I would not include Maxrad in that class of quality.



Ed WB6SAT

(Never heard of Kathrein, so no comment on that one.)

Ed G. January 9th 04 02:41 AM



Others in the class are Decibel, Andrew, Sinclair, Kathrein - Scala,
Maxrad.


Ron, personally, I would not include Maxrad in that class of quality.



Ed WB6SAT

(Never heard of Kathrein, so no comment on that one.)

Murray Green, K3BEQ January 9th 04 05:46 PM


***Thank you Ron. Since my initial message and responses here on the
newsgroup, coupled with "homework" we find that Celwave no longer makes
the 4 el vert dipole for the 2 meter spectrum. Nor do they make
replacement harnesses. Suspect drop in sales is the primary reason, but
not certain.

Looking seriously at Decibel's compatible antenna. We are however,
going to open up the Celwave, remove and inspect the harness and
if possible determine what went wrong. Possibility that there could
be damage from lightning which would be covered by our insurance
policy. Thanks again.
73, Murray, K3BEQ
=======================

Ron wrote:

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:40:50 -0500, Murray Green, K3BEQ wrote:

Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the expected
life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole? Do not have the
model number but the cost was close to $600 when purchased. The antenna
is cut for 2 meters. Realize that a number of factors can be involved
such as weather conditions, area installed etc. In this case it is up
80' off ground level and 300' above sea level just outside of WashDC.

Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?

Thanks.
73 Murray, K3BEQ


That antenna will need some service to achieve a long life. The problem is
when the Coax harness deteriorates with time, I would expect that you will
need to replace or repair the harness ever 10-20 years or so. Most
antennas of this class fail from physical damage. Lightening, Ice Damage,
Tower climbers. or something else that physically damages the antenna.

Others in the class are Decibel, Andrew, Sinclair, Kathrein - Scala,
Maxrad.

Ron
N5HYH


Murray Green, K3BEQ January 9th 04 05:46 PM


***Thank you Ron. Since my initial message and responses here on the
newsgroup, coupled with "homework" we find that Celwave no longer makes
the 4 el vert dipole for the 2 meter spectrum. Nor do they make
replacement harnesses. Suspect drop in sales is the primary reason, but
not certain.

Looking seriously at Decibel's compatible antenna. We are however,
going to open up the Celwave, remove and inspect the harness and
if possible determine what went wrong. Possibility that there could
be damage from lightning which would be covered by our insurance
policy. Thanks again.
73, Murray, K3BEQ
=======================

Ron wrote:

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:40:50 -0500, Murray Green, K3BEQ wrote:

Can any of you antenna pros out there tell me what would be the expected
life span for a Cell Wave 4 element vertical dipole? Do not have the
model number but the cost was close to $600 when purchased. The antenna
is cut for 2 meters. Realize that a number of factors can be involved
such as weather conditions, area installed etc. In this case it is up
80' off ground level and 300' above sea level just outside of WashDC.

Second question. I recognize that Cellwave has an excellent reputation.
Are there any other antenna companies that may compare or exceed
Cellwave antenna products in performance and durability?

Thanks.
73 Murray, K3BEQ


That antenna will need some service to achieve a long life. The problem is
when the Coax harness deteriorates with time, I would expect that you will
need to replace or repair the harness ever 10-20 years or so. Most
antennas of this class fail from physical damage. Lightening, Ice Damage,
Tower climbers. or something else that physically damages the antenna.

Others in the class are Decibel, Andrew, Sinclair, Kathrein - Scala,
Maxrad.

Ron
N5HYH


Ed G. January 10th 04 12:04 AM



***Thank you Ron. Since my initial message and responses here on the
newsgroup, coupled with "homework" we find that Celwave no longer
makes the 4 el vert dipole for the 2 meter spectrum. Nor do they make
replacement harnesses. Suspect drop in sales is the primary reason,
but not certain.


That's disgusting! I didn't believe you so went looking myself, and
found you were right. Phelps Dodge used to cater nicely to hams. When
they became Celwave, they still gave us a discount. Now that they've gone
international as RFS Celwave, they don't seem to give a hoot. Oh well,
DB Products is just as good.


Looking seriously at Decibel's compatible antenna. We are however,
going to open up the Celwave, remove and inspect the harness and
if possible determine what went wrong. Possibility that there could
be damage from lightning which would be covered by our insurance
policy.


We had a nice Celwave PD 340-3 that never did work right. Antenna swr
measured OK, but when we swapped the antenna out with just about any other
antenna, it appeared that the Celwave was about unity gain. Could not
measure any opens or shorts in the harness, but obviously something was
wrong. Our club let the antenna sit around and warranty expire so we
never did find the probem. A cheapie 3dB omni by Antenna Specialists
seemed to do well enough for us. ... sigh ....



Ed WB6SAT

Ed G. January 10th 04 12:04 AM



***Thank you Ron. Since my initial message and responses here on the
newsgroup, coupled with "homework" we find that Celwave no longer
makes the 4 el vert dipole for the 2 meter spectrum. Nor do they make
replacement harnesses. Suspect drop in sales is the primary reason,
but not certain.


That's disgusting! I didn't believe you so went looking myself, and
found you were right. Phelps Dodge used to cater nicely to hams. When
they became Celwave, they still gave us a discount. Now that they've gone
international as RFS Celwave, they don't seem to give a hoot. Oh well,
DB Products is just as good.


Looking seriously at Decibel's compatible antenna. We are however,
going to open up the Celwave, remove and inspect the harness and
if possible determine what went wrong. Possibility that there could
be damage from lightning which would be covered by our insurance
policy.


We had a nice Celwave PD 340-3 that never did work right. Antenna swr
measured OK, but when we swapped the antenna out with just about any other
antenna, it appeared that the Celwave was about unity gain. Could not
measure any opens or shorts in the harness, but obviously something was
wrong. Our club let the antenna sit around and warranty expire so we
never did find the probem. A cheapie 3dB omni by Antenna Specialists
seemed to do well enough for us. ... sigh ....



Ed WB6SAT

Robert Kubichek January 10th 04 01:09 AM

Ed G. wrote:
***Thank you Ron. Since my initial message and responses here on the
newsgroup, coupled with "homework" we find that Celwave no longer
makes the 4 el vert dipole for the 2 meter spectrum. Nor do they make
replacement harnesses. Suspect drop in sales is the primary reason,
but not certain.



That's disgusting! I didn't believe you so went looking myself, and
found you were right. Phelps Dodge used to cater nicely to hams. When
they became Celwave, they still gave us a discount. Now that they've gone
international as RFS Celwave, they don't seem to give a hoot. Oh well,
DB Products is just as good.


Looking seriously at Decibel's compatible antenna. We are however,
going to open up the Celwave, remove and inspect the harness and
if possible determine what went wrong. Possibility that there could
be damage from lightning which would be covered by our insurance
policy.



We had a nice Celwave PD 340-3 that never did work right. Antenna swr
measured OK, but when we swapped the antenna out with just about any other
antenna, it appeared that the Celwave was about unity gain. Could not
measure any opens or shorts in the harness, but obviously something was
wrong. Our club let the antenna sit around and warranty expire so we
never did find the probem. A cheapie 3dB omni by Antenna Specialists
seemed to do well enough for us. ... sigh ....



Ed WB6SAT

I used to have a Celwave, and I liked how you could set the pattern
to suit your location..... I have also made super J-poles out of
1" copper pipe that worked just as good, and were MUCH cheaper, and
lasted a lot longer....

Bob N9LVU


Robert Kubichek January 10th 04 01:09 AM

Ed G. wrote:
***Thank you Ron. Since my initial message and responses here on the
newsgroup, coupled with "homework" we find that Celwave no longer
makes the 4 el vert dipole for the 2 meter spectrum. Nor do they make
replacement harnesses. Suspect drop in sales is the primary reason,
but not certain.



That's disgusting! I didn't believe you so went looking myself, and
found you were right. Phelps Dodge used to cater nicely to hams. When
they became Celwave, they still gave us a discount. Now that they've gone
international as RFS Celwave, they don't seem to give a hoot. Oh well,
DB Products is just as good.


Looking seriously at Decibel's compatible antenna. We are however,
going to open up the Celwave, remove and inspect the harness and
if possible determine what went wrong. Possibility that there could
be damage from lightning which would be covered by our insurance
policy.



We had a nice Celwave PD 340-3 that never did work right. Antenna swr
measured OK, but when we swapped the antenna out with just about any other
antenna, it appeared that the Celwave was about unity gain. Could not
measure any opens or shorts in the harness, but obviously something was
wrong. Our club let the antenna sit around and warranty expire so we
never did find the probem. A cheapie 3dB omni by Antenna Specialists
seemed to do well enough for us. ... sigh ....



Ed WB6SAT

I used to have a Celwave, and I liked how you could set the pattern
to suit your location..... I have also made super J-poles out of
1" copper pipe that worked just as good, and were MUCH cheaper, and
lasted a lot longer....

Bob N9LVU


Crazy George January 12th 04 04:13 AM


Ed:

I have seen more than one of those antennas sabotaged with one or two
elements inverted. IIRC, the PD-340 had potted feed points, and it took a
careful examination to see the correct up/down orientation.
--
Crazy George
Remove N O and S P A M imbedded in return address
"Ed G." wrote in message
. ..


***Thank you Ron. Since my initial message and responses here on the
newsgroup, coupled with "homework" we find that Celwave no longer
makes the 4 el vert dipole for the 2 meter spectrum. Nor do they make
replacement harnesses. Suspect drop in sales is the primary reason,
but not certain.


That's disgusting! I didn't believe you so went looking myself, and
found you were right. Phelps Dodge used to cater nicely to hams. When
they became Celwave, they still gave us a discount. Now that they've gone
international as RFS Celwave, they don't seem to give a hoot. Oh well,
DB Products is just as good.


Looking seriously at Decibel's compatible antenna. We are however,
going to open up the Celwave, remove and inspect the harness and
if possible determine what went wrong. Possibility that there could
be damage from lightning which would be covered by our insurance
policy.


We had a nice Celwave PD 340-3 that never did work right. Antenna swr
measured OK, but when we swapped the antenna out with just about any other
antenna, it appeared that the Celwave was about unity gain. Could not
measure any opens or shorts in the harness, but obviously something was
wrong. Our club let the antenna sit around and warranty expire so we
never did find the probem. A cheapie 3dB omni by Antenna Specialists
seemed to do well enough for us. ... sigh ....



Ed WB6SAT




Crazy George January 12th 04 04:13 AM


Ed:

I have seen more than one of those antennas sabotaged with one or two
elements inverted. IIRC, the PD-340 had potted feed points, and it took a
careful examination to see the correct up/down orientation.
--
Crazy George
Remove N O and S P A M imbedded in return address
"Ed G." wrote in message
. ..


***Thank you Ron. Since my initial message and responses here on the
newsgroup, coupled with "homework" we find that Celwave no longer
makes the 4 el vert dipole for the 2 meter spectrum. Nor do they make
replacement harnesses. Suspect drop in sales is the primary reason,
but not certain.


That's disgusting! I didn't believe you so went looking myself, and
found you were right. Phelps Dodge used to cater nicely to hams. When
they became Celwave, they still gave us a discount. Now that they've gone
international as RFS Celwave, they don't seem to give a hoot. Oh well,
DB Products is just as good.


Looking seriously at Decibel's compatible antenna. We are however,
going to open up the Celwave, remove and inspect the harness and
if possible determine what went wrong. Possibility that there could
be damage from lightning which would be covered by our insurance
policy.


We had a nice Celwave PD 340-3 that never did work right. Antenna swr
measured OK, but when we swapped the antenna out with just about any other
antenna, it appeared that the Celwave was about unity gain. Could not
measure any opens or shorts in the harness, but obviously something was
wrong. Our club let the antenna sit around and warranty expire so we
never did find the probem. A cheapie 3dB omni by Antenna Specialists
seemed to do well enough for us. ... sigh ....



Ed WB6SAT





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