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The lady was SCAMMED by XE2FLR
Mr. Juan Lozano (XE2FLR),
You have committed fraud against Mrs. Thompson. She has tried every avenue possible to resolve the illegal reversal of payment that you initiated against her. This reversal has caused undue finical and emotional hardship on this woman. I feel the need to send this OPEN letter to you letting everyone know just what you did. Mr. Lozano, we know English is a second language for you so I will break this down to ensure there is no misunderstanding while still being totally fair & honest with you and everyone else who may read this. 1. Mrs. Victoria Thompson who: a. Is a registered eBay member, in good standings (eBay.com). b. Is a Verified Paypal Member (Paypal.com). c. Listed a Motorola Communications Service Monitor. d. eBay Item number: 3817317151 e. View item at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3817317151 f. Shipped item via United States Postal Service (USPS.com) with Insurance g. Delivery confirmation number 0303 2460 0001 6669 1339 2. Mr. Juan Francisco Lozano-Rodriguez a. Is a registered eBay member (XE2FLR) b. Is a Verified Paypal Member. ) c. Bid and won auction for item number: 3817317151 d. Paid Victoria Thompson via Paypal c. Paypal transaction ID # 8YY56447B7708882X e. Upon receipt of the shipment confirmation number you reversed payment Mrs. Thompson listed the Motorola Communications Service Monitor on eBay.com You won the auction with a winning bid of $1,029.09USD with an initial shipping price of $30.00USD for a total price you paid of $1,059.09USD. You made payment using your credit card thru Paypal.com. After a few days you asked Mrs. Thompson when she would ship the item. She responded that it would take a few days for her son to ship it because the unit is very heavy and she could not lift it. Mrs. Thompson's son sent the item using USPS.com and paid $40.00USD for shipping. NOTE: The Shipping cost an additional $10.00USD, Mrs. Thompson was kind enough not to bill you the additional money for it. After the item shipped you were emailed the delivery confirmation number. Mrs. Thompson who is new to eBay and Paypal purchased items on eBay and also paid for services using her paypal money. Upon receipt of the delivery confirmation number you reversed your payment to the unsuspecting Mrs. Thompson. (Your motives are unknown) Mr. Thompson has notified You, eBay.com, Paypal.com and SquereTrede.com You have responded telling Mrs. Thompson that the reversal was inadvertent and that you would correct it immediately and she should not worry. You also contacted SquareTrade.com and told them to close the investigation. The reason you told them: "I have resolved this with the other party." These are your exact words to them. The only problem with this is, Mrs. Thompson still has not been paid nor did you resolve issues with her Paypal account. This matter must be resolved immediately! You must pay her with a cashiers check for the full amount of $1,059.09.00 Complaints have now been filed with the following agencies; The Internet Fraud Complaint Center and the Federal Bureau of Investigation http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/cf1.asp United States Postal Service (Postal Inspector) https://www.usps.com/postalinspector...dComplaint.htm The State of California's Attorney General's Office http://caag.state.ca.us Juan Francisco Lozano-Rodriguez A.K.A. Juan Lozano 1860 Primera St. Lemon Grove, CA 91945 Email: Phone: 619-838-8608 Alt Phone: 011526646752841 eBay ID: XE2FLR HAM Radio Call Sign: XE2FLR |
Lieutenant_Dan wrote:
Mr. Juan Lozano (XE2FLR), You have committed fraud against Mrs. Thompson. She has tried every avenue possible to resolve the illegal reversal of payment that you initiated against her. This reversal has caused undue finical and emotional hardship on this woman. I feel the need to send this OPEN letter to you letting everyone know just what you did. I thought everything on Ebay was on the up and up? - Mike - |
Lieutenant_Dan wrote:
Mr. Juan Lozano (XE2FLR), You have committed fraud against Mrs. Thompson. She has tried every avenue possible to resolve the illegal reversal of payment that you initiated against her. This reversal has caused undue finical and emotional hardship on this woman. I feel the need to send this OPEN letter to you letting everyone know just what you did. I thought everything on Ebay was on the up and up? - Mike - |
Not everything is on the up and up; there are a few Scam Artists out there.
For legal purposes, I want to make it clear, "I" AM NOT CLAIMING this guy mentioned (XE2FLR) as being one or guilty in any way as another has alleged - as I'm not aware of the whole case. If you read the groups enough, you'll hear of many who are ripped off. You can't blame E-Bay - least not entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then again, it's no worse there, than buying a used car with no warranty when it's said to run and dies pulling it off the lot. My opinion, no one puts a gun to one's head to make them bid/buy. So, if you're taken in bidding/buying, especially if the seller had many bad feedbacks posted, you're partially the blame for falling for it. As for sellers, if they're taken, then shame on them for sending items out before being paid. There is no 100% safe way to deal with anyone anywhere, even locally. You can arm yourself by doing any homework that can be done about the item, individual and so on. ANY gut instinct that says NO, should mean NO. You're getting it for a reason. READ the feed backs of both any buyers and sellers. READ ALL Neutrals as well as Negatives of both parties. You can often see or get a feel for who is right or wrong. If you're still not sure, DO NOT BID/BUY OR SELL then ship without bonafied funds being received. Demand some sort of certified payment, U.S. Postal MOs or some Bank drafts of sorts, Pay pal, which affords "some" sort of protection. Make the statement that if they have negative feedback, you insist on certified funds if you're the seller or a paid by date or plain refuse to sell to them. IF they want it bad enough, they'll jump through the hoops. Again, I'm not referencing in any way, the below captioned case as I know nothing of it. But the above notes are my own and I go by them when dealing. I've not been taken yet, buying or selling and if I ever am, then shame on me for letting my guard down. I "try" to watch for all the red flags. I read and reread the ads several times. I look at the pictures a couple of times. I try to find things wrong. Some are honest in their reporting of a condition of a unit, some are outright liars, or to be polite, their system isn't as accurate as the one most use. I've seen radios listed as in excellent condition, when the picture showed out right garbage. Maybe it was "excellent" - for throwing into the trash barrel. There ARE a lot of gullible people out there. It is a shame they are taken, but it happens every day. Some shyster is just a cut above in smarts to pull it off. It's a damned shame, but it happens. It isn't like it hasn't been known for a while. We all need to do our best to shut these ass holes down. If it ain't you that they're screwing, it could be your mother or someone else you care about. SCAMS are big business. Getting bigger by the day. Like shopping for a car locally or an appliance or whatever, smart shopping can make a difference. IF that item seems too good to be true, it probably is. There are usually dozens of the same item on e-bay, so if you don't get it the first time, there will be another. PATIENCE is a virtue. VALUE/PRICE is another one. KNOW what the item "should" be going for. Know what it sold for brand new - if possible. Check the price of one against the other. Usually, there are big differences. Knowledge is power. It can save you from a financial mistake. Also, IF you can NOT afford the item, then you can't afford to lose the cash for it, if it is trash. IF it is broken, know how to fix it, or pass it by. Chances are, you will need to fix something. I'm not a professional by any means here, but these have all kept me in the 100% + range - buying and selling. The only negative I issued was for someone who did a buy it now, then failed to follow through. I intend to try to keep it that way. Lou "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Lieutenant_Dan wrote: Mr. Juan Lozano (XE2FLR), You have committed fraud against Mrs. Thompson. She has tried every avenue possible to resolve the illegal reversal of payment that you initiated against her. This reversal has caused undue finical and emotional hardship on this woman. I feel the need to send this OPEN letter to you letting everyone know just what you did. I thought everything on Ebay was on the up and up? - Mike - |
Not everything is on the up and up; there are a few Scam Artists out there.
For legal purposes, I want to make it clear, "I" AM NOT CLAIMING this guy mentioned (XE2FLR) as being one or guilty in any way as another has alleged - as I'm not aware of the whole case. If you read the groups enough, you'll hear of many who are ripped off. You can't blame E-Bay - least not entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then again, it's no worse there, than buying a used car with no warranty when it's said to run and dies pulling it off the lot. My opinion, no one puts a gun to one's head to make them bid/buy. So, if you're taken in bidding/buying, especially if the seller had many bad feedbacks posted, you're partially the blame for falling for it. As for sellers, if they're taken, then shame on them for sending items out before being paid. There is no 100% safe way to deal with anyone anywhere, even locally. You can arm yourself by doing any homework that can be done about the item, individual and so on. ANY gut instinct that says NO, should mean NO. You're getting it for a reason. READ the feed backs of both any buyers and sellers. READ ALL Neutrals as well as Negatives of both parties. You can often see or get a feel for who is right or wrong. If you're still not sure, DO NOT BID/BUY OR SELL then ship without bonafied funds being received. Demand some sort of certified payment, U.S. Postal MOs or some Bank drafts of sorts, Pay pal, which affords "some" sort of protection. Make the statement that if they have negative feedback, you insist on certified funds if you're the seller or a paid by date or plain refuse to sell to them. IF they want it bad enough, they'll jump through the hoops. Again, I'm not referencing in any way, the below captioned case as I know nothing of it. But the above notes are my own and I go by them when dealing. I've not been taken yet, buying or selling and if I ever am, then shame on me for letting my guard down. I "try" to watch for all the red flags. I read and reread the ads several times. I look at the pictures a couple of times. I try to find things wrong. Some are honest in their reporting of a condition of a unit, some are outright liars, or to be polite, their system isn't as accurate as the one most use. I've seen radios listed as in excellent condition, when the picture showed out right garbage. Maybe it was "excellent" - for throwing into the trash barrel. There ARE a lot of gullible people out there. It is a shame they are taken, but it happens every day. Some shyster is just a cut above in smarts to pull it off. It's a damned shame, but it happens. It isn't like it hasn't been known for a while. We all need to do our best to shut these ass holes down. If it ain't you that they're screwing, it could be your mother or someone else you care about. SCAMS are big business. Getting bigger by the day. Like shopping for a car locally or an appliance or whatever, smart shopping can make a difference. IF that item seems too good to be true, it probably is. There are usually dozens of the same item on e-bay, so if you don't get it the first time, there will be another. PATIENCE is a virtue. VALUE/PRICE is another one. KNOW what the item "should" be going for. Know what it sold for brand new - if possible. Check the price of one against the other. Usually, there are big differences. Knowledge is power. It can save you from a financial mistake. Also, IF you can NOT afford the item, then you can't afford to lose the cash for it, if it is trash. IF it is broken, know how to fix it, or pass it by. Chances are, you will need to fix something. I'm not a professional by any means here, but these have all kept me in the 100% + range - buying and selling. The only negative I issued was for someone who did a buy it now, then failed to follow through. I intend to try to keep it that way. Lou "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Lieutenant_Dan wrote: Mr. Juan Lozano (XE2FLR), You have committed fraud against Mrs. Thompson. She has tried every avenue possible to resolve the illegal reversal of payment that you initiated against her. This reversal has caused undue finical and emotional hardship on this woman. I feel the need to send this OPEN letter to you letting everyone know just what you did. I thought everything on Ebay was on the up and up? - Mike - |
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:19:54 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote: Lieutenant_Dan wrote: Mr. Juan Lozano (XE2FLR), You have committed fraud against Mrs. Thompson. She has tried every avenue possible to resolve the illegal reversal of payment that you initiated against her. This reversal has caused undue finical and emotional hardship on this woman. I feel the need to send this OPEN letter to you letting everyone know just what you did. I thought everything on Ebay was on the up and up? It is. Except when it isn't. Nothing they can do to stop every bit of it. They can (and should) minimize it, and they should make sure that transactions are tracable enough so that legal action can be taken if needed. They need to monitor, and shut down anyone who does something improper. They should really work to make certain that scamsters cannot make up a new name and get back on the system. There are issues with differing jurisdictions. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:19:54 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote: Lieutenant_Dan wrote: Mr. Juan Lozano (XE2FLR), You have committed fraud against Mrs. Thompson. She has tried every avenue possible to resolve the illegal reversal of payment that you initiated against her. This reversal has caused undue finical and emotional hardship on this woman. I feel the need to send this OPEN letter to you letting everyone know just what you did. I thought everything on Ebay was on the up and up? It is. Except when it isn't. Nothing they can do to stop every bit of it. They can (and should) minimize it, and they should make sure that transactions are tracable enough so that legal action can be taken if needed. They need to monitor, and shut down anyone who does something improper. They should really work to make certain that scamsters cannot make up a new name and get back on the system. There are issues with differing jurisdictions. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
Yes, if the story is true, it is unfortunate the seller got taken.
I myself would not have done business with someone with only three feedbacks for the $ 1,000 + test gear unless the buyer wired my money to the bank directly so there would be a paper trail. If he says no then fine. I've been using the ebay for four years and not one gotten burned, always try to deal with established sellers. marco "Gary S." wrote: On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:19:54 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote: Lieutenant_Dan wrote: Mr. Juan Lozano (XE2FLR), You have committed fraud against Mrs. Thompson. She has tried every avenue possible to resolve the illegal reversal of payment that you initiated against her. This reversal has caused undue finical and emotional hardship on this woman. I feel the need to send this OPEN letter to you letting everyone know just what you did. I thought everything on Ebay was on the up and up? It is. Except when it isn't. Nothing they can do to stop every bit of it. They can (and should) minimize it, and they should make sure that transactions are tracable enough so that legal action can be taken if needed. They need to monitor, and shut down anyone who does something improper. They should really work to make certain that scamsters cannot make up a new name and get back on the system. There are issues with differing jurisdictions. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
Yes, if the story is true, it is unfortunate the seller got taken.
I myself would not have done business with someone with only three feedbacks for the $ 1,000 + test gear unless the buyer wired my money to the bank directly so there would be a paper trail. If he says no then fine. I've been using the ebay for four years and not one gotten burned, always try to deal with established sellers. marco "Gary S." wrote: On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:19:54 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote: Lieutenant_Dan wrote: Mr. Juan Lozano (XE2FLR), You have committed fraud against Mrs. Thompson. She has tried every avenue possible to resolve the illegal reversal of payment that you initiated against her. This reversal has caused undue finical and emotional hardship on this woman. I feel the need to send this OPEN letter to you letting everyone know just what you did. I thought everything on Ebay was on the up and up? It is. Except when it isn't. Nothing they can do to stop every bit of it. They can (and should) minimize it, and they should make sure that transactions are tracable enough so that legal action can be taken if needed. They need to monitor, and shut down anyone who does something improper. They should really work to make certain that scamsters cannot make up a new name and get back on the system. There are issues with differing jurisdictions. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 01:47:07 GMT, marco wrote:
Yes, if the story is true, it is unfortunate the seller got taken. I myself would not have done business with someone with only three feedbacks for the $ 1,000 + test gear unless the buyer wired my money to the bank directly so there would be a paper trail. If he says no then fine. I've been using the ebay for four years and not one gotten burned, always try to deal with established sellers. Both parties should set terms and conditions which they are comfortable with. Do not depend on "the system" to protect you, but make certain there is a paper trail for the transaction, and keep a log of every step along with papers, and a record of all facts, numbers, etc. If anything about the transaction makes you queasy, reconsider dealing with them. Whatever item you want will pop up on eBay again. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 01:47:07 GMT, marco wrote:
Yes, if the story is true, it is unfortunate the seller got taken. I myself would not have done business with someone with only three feedbacks for the $ 1,000 + test gear unless the buyer wired my money to the bank directly so there would be a paper trail. If he says no then fine. I've been using the ebay for four years and not one gotten burned, always try to deal with established sellers. Both parties should set terms and conditions which they are comfortable with. Do not depend on "the system" to protect you, but make certain there is a paper trail for the transaction, and keep a log of every step along with papers, and a record of all facts, numbers, etc. If anything about the transaction makes you queasy, reconsider dealing with them. Whatever item you want will pop up on eBay again. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most part,
it is Postal MO only! Lou "Keith" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou" wrote: You can't blame E-Bay - least not entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then again, it's no worse there, When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon receipt take it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship the item with a delivery confirmation to the buyer. -- Best Regards, Keith http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page |
As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most part,
it is Postal MO only! Lou "Keith" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou" wrote: You can't blame E-Bay - least not entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then again, it's no worse there, When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon receipt take it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship the item with a delivery confirmation to the buyer. -- Best Regards, Keith http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page |
Postal money orders are OK BUT there are no guarantees that you will get your
item if you sell on a newsgroup. Been there done that. Got burned for $140. I have a friend who is a postal inspector and says for a few hundred dollars it's not worth their time to prosecute. A postal money sounds like it's the best because of the protection.Well, that's wrong. Unless it is a LARGE amount. Paypal is wonderful. NO WAY can a payment be stopped after it is sent. UNLESS, If he sent an e-check to the PAYPAL account and she shipped before it was cleared, He could cancel it before it was cleared. You are supposed to wait until it clears before shipping! I myself once paid someone via paypal and made a mistake with the amount, by a LARGE amount. I called paypal and they said there is nothing they can do at this point. The return must come from guy who received the money from me. I e-mailed that guy and he sent me the difference via paypal the same day. Just my .02 cents with experience in postal money orders and Paypal. Good luck!!!!!!!!!! Lou wrote: As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most part, it is Postal MO only! Lou "Keith" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou" wrote: You can't blame E-Bay - least not entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then again, it's no worse there, When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon receipt take it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship the item with a delivery confirmation to the buyer. -- Best Regards, Keith http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page |
Postal money orders are OK BUT there are no guarantees that you will get your
item if you sell on a newsgroup. Been there done that. Got burned for $140. I have a friend who is a postal inspector and says for a few hundred dollars it's not worth their time to prosecute. A postal money sounds like it's the best because of the protection.Well, that's wrong. Unless it is a LARGE amount. Paypal is wonderful. NO WAY can a payment be stopped after it is sent. UNLESS, If he sent an e-check to the PAYPAL account and she shipped before it was cleared, He could cancel it before it was cleared. You are supposed to wait until it clears before shipping! I myself once paid someone via paypal and made a mistake with the amount, by a LARGE amount. I called paypal and they said there is nothing they can do at this point. The return must come from guy who received the money from me. I e-mailed that guy and he sent me the difference via paypal the same day. Just my .02 cents with experience in postal money orders and Paypal. Good luck!!!!!!!!!! Lou wrote: As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most part, it is Postal MO only! Lou "Keith" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou" wrote: You can't blame E-Bay - least not entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then again, it's no worse there, When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon receipt take it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship the item with a delivery confirmation to the buyer. -- Best Regards, Keith http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page |
I can go along with your idea. There really are NO guarantees. Even with
pay pal - I've "heard" of people getting burned. If one uses a credit card, I suppose they could cancel the payment once they know you've sent the item - then make some lame excuse they never received it, as often, some packages are left on porches, etc without a signature to prove they were accepted OR sent to fictitious addresses. Yes, there is insurance, but it too can make for a pain in the ass to collect! OR something. SHREWD people have a multitude of ways to screw other people and the system. It would be grand if all those who ripped people off could be shot at sunrise, BUT..... we know that won't happen. Regardless what you do, you have to err on the side of caution. So far, "I" have been fortunate with Postal MOs and Pay pal. And all my sales have gone out either the same day or the next business day. IF there is any delay, I keep the party informed. I'd have to say, most of those who screw people are not in business. Those in business, wouldn't do that IF they intend to remain in business. And those who DO screw people, usually close up shop with in a short time. It's a matter of reputation. I value mine and "I" can't afford to "screw" anyone for just that reason. And anyone who has dealt with me can vouch for it. I don't make deals, then forget them. I keep a line open until the deal is concluded, even to make sure the item was received. I don't depend just on tracking. I check to be sure it arrived safely, which my packing has yet to fail. You don't find that personal touch with most. I keep a "mom and pop" shop approach. Service is lost today for the most part. "I try to keep it alive, at least so far as "I" am concerned with this business. Lou "Barry" wrote in message ... Postal money orders are OK BUT there are no guarantees that you will get your item if you sell on a newsgroup. Been there done that. Got burned for $140. I have a friend who is a postal inspector and says for a few hundred dollars it's not worth their time to prosecute. A postal money sounds like it's the best because of the protection.Well, that's wrong. Unless it is a LARGE amount. Paypal is wonderful. NO WAY can a payment be stopped after it is sent. UNLESS, If he sent an e-check to the PAYPAL account and she shipped before it was cleared, He could cancel it before it was cleared. You are supposed to wait until it clears before shipping! I myself once paid someone via paypal and made a mistake with the amount, by a LARGE amount. I called paypal and they said there is nothing they can do at this point. The return must come from guy who received the money from me. I e-mailed that guy and he sent me the difference via paypal the same day. Just my .02 cents with experience in postal money orders and Paypal. Good luck!!!!!!!!!! Lou wrote: As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most part, it is Postal MO only! Lou "Keith" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou" wrote: You can't blame E-Bay - least not entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then again, it's no worse there, When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon receipt take it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship the item with a delivery confirmation to the buyer. -- Best Regards, Keith http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page |
I can go along with your idea. There really are NO guarantees. Even with
pay pal - I've "heard" of people getting burned. If one uses a credit card, I suppose they could cancel the payment once they know you've sent the item - then make some lame excuse they never received it, as often, some packages are left on porches, etc without a signature to prove they were accepted OR sent to fictitious addresses. Yes, there is insurance, but it too can make for a pain in the ass to collect! OR something. SHREWD people have a multitude of ways to screw other people and the system. It would be grand if all those who ripped people off could be shot at sunrise, BUT..... we know that won't happen. Regardless what you do, you have to err on the side of caution. So far, "I" have been fortunate with Postal MOs and Pay pal. And all my sales have gone out either the same day or the next business day. IF there is any delay, I keep the party informed. I'd have to say, most of those who screw people are not in business. Those in business, wouldn't do that IF they intend to remain in business. And those who DO screw people, usually close up shop with in a short time. It's a matter of reputation. I value mine and "I" can't afford to "screw" anyone for just that reason. And anyone who has dealt with me can vouch for it. I don't make deals, then forget them. I keep a line open until the deal is concluded, even to make sure the item was received. I don't depend just on tracking. I check to be sure it arrived safely, which my packing has yet to fail. You don't find that personal touch with most. I keep a "mom and pop" shop approach. Service is lost today for the most part. "I try to keep it alive, at least so far as "I" am concerned with this business. Lou "Barry" wrote in message ... Postal money orders are OK BUT there are no guarantees that you will get your item if you sell on a newsgroup. Been there done that. Got burned for $140. I have a friend who is a postal inspector and says for a few hundred dollars it's not worth their time to prosecute. A postal money sounds like it's the best because of the protection.Well, that's wrong. Unless it is a LARGE amount. Paypal is wonderful. NO WAY can a payment be stopped after it is sent. UNLESS, If he sent an e-check to the PAYPAL account and she shipped before it was cleared, He could cancel it before it was cleared. You are supposed to wait until it clears before shipping! I myself once paid someone via paypal and made a mistake with the amount, by a LARGE amount. I called paypal and they said there is nothing they can do at this point. The return must come from guy who received the money from me. I e-mailed that guy and he sent me the difference via paypal the same day. Just my .02 cents with experience in postal money orders and Paypal. Good luck!!!!!!!!!! Lou wrote: As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most part, it is Postal MO only! Lou "Keith" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou" wrote: You can't blame E-Bay - least not entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then again, it's no worse there, When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon receipt take it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship the item with a delivery confirmation to the buyer. -- Best Regards, Keith http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page |
HI Lou, there are some dirtbags out there as we know.
I suppose they could cancel the payment once they know you've sent the item - then make some lame excuse they never received it, Paypal checks this out. If the seller does NOT have any proof of sending the item then paypal usually returns the money from the sellers account. If the sender has proper tracking info then Paypal won't refund the money. It was sent and now would be a matter for the tracking police of the service used, but if proved it was sent Paypal won't refund. Lou wrote: I can go along with your idea. There really are NO guarantees. Even with pay pal - I've "heard" of people getting burned. If one uses a credit card, I suppose they could cancel the payment once they know you've sent the item - then make some lame excuse they never received it, as often, some packages are left on porches, etc without a signature to prove they were accepted OR sent to fictitious addresses. Yes, there is insurance, but it too can make for a pain in the ass to collect! OR something. SHREWD people have a multitude of ways to screw other people and the system. It would be grand if all those who ripped people off could be shot at sunrise, BUT..... we know that won't happen. Regardless what you do, you have to err on the side of caution. So far, "I" have been fortunate with Postal MOs and Pay pal. And all my sales have gone out either the same day or the next business day. IF there is any delay, I keep the party informed. I'd have to say, most of those who screw people are not in business. Those in business, wouldn't do that IF they intend to remain in business. And those who DO screw people, usually close up shop with in a short time. It's a matter of reputation. I value mine and "I" can't afford to "screw" anyone for just that reason. And anyone who has dealt with me can vouch for it. I don't make deals, then forget them. I keep a line open until the deal is concluded, even to make sure the item was received. I don't depend just on tracking. I check to be sure it arrived safely, which my packing has yet to fail. You don't find that personal touch with most. I keep a "mom and pop" shop approach. Service is lost today for the most part. "I try to keep it alive, at least so far as "I" am concerned with this business. Lou "Barry" wrote in message ... Postal money orders are OK BUT there are no guarantees that you will get your item if you sell on a newsgroup. Been there done that. Got burned for $140. I have a friend who is a postal inspector and says for a few hundred dollars it's not worth their time to prosecute. A postal money sounds like it's the best because of the protection.Well, that's wrong. Unless it is a LARGE amount. Paypal is wonderful. NO WAY can a payment be stopped after it is sent. UNLESS, If he sent an e-check to the PAYPAL account and she shipped before it was cleared, He could cancel it before it was cleared. You are supposed to wait until it clears before shipping! I myself once paid someone via paypal and made a mistake with the amount, by a LARGE amount. I called paypal and they said there is nothing they can do at this point. The return must come from guy who received the money from me. I e-mailed that guy and he sent me the difference via paypal the same day. Just my .02 cents with experience in postal money orders and Paypal. Good luck!!!!!!!!!! Lou wrote: As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most part, it is Postal MO only! Lou "Keith" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou" wrote: You can't blame E-Bay - least not entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then again, it's no worse there, When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon receipt take it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship the item with a delivery confirmation to the buyer. -- Best Regards, Keith http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page |
HI Lou, there are some dirtbags out there as we know.
I suppose they could cancel the payment once they know you've sent the item - then make some lame excuse they never received it, Paypal checks this out. If the seller does NOT have any proof of sending the item then paypal usually returns the money from the sellers account. If the sender has proper tracking info then Paypal won't refund the money. It was sent and now would be a matter for the tracking police of the service used, but if proved it was sent Paypal won't refund. Lou wrote: I can go along with your idea. There really are NO guarantees. Even with pay pal - I've "heard" of people getting burned. If one uses a credit card, I suppose they could cancel the payment once they know you've sent the item - then make some lame excuse they never received it, as often, some packages are left on porches, etc without a signature to prove they were accepted OR sent to fictitious addresses. Yes, there is insurance, but it too can make for a pain in the ass to collect! OR something. SHREWD people have a multitude of ways to screw other people and the system. It would be grand if all those who ripped people off could be shot at sunrise, BUT..... we know that won't happen. Regardless what you do, you have to err on the side of caution. So far, "I" have been fortunate with Postal MOs and Pay pal. And all my sales have gone out either the same day or the next business day. IF there is any delay, I keep the party informed. I'd have to say, most of those who screw people are not in business. Those in business, wouldn't do that IF they intend to remain in business. And those who DO screw people, usually close up shop with in a short time. It's a matter of reputation. I value mine and "I" can't afford to "screw" anyone for just that reason. And anyone who has dealt with me can vouch for it. I don't make deals, then forget them. I keep a line open until the deal is concluded, even to make sure the item was received. I don't depend just on tracking. I check to be sure it arrived safely, which my packing has yet to fail. You don't find that personal touch with most. I keep a "mom and pop" shop approach. Service is lost today for the most part. "I try to keep it alive, at least so far as "I" am concerned with this business. Lou "Barry" wrote in message ... Postal money orders are OK BUT there are no guarantees that you will get your item if you sell on a newsgroup. Been there done that. Got burned for $140. I have a friend who is a postal inspector and says for a few hundred dollars it's not worth their time to prosecute. A postal money sounds like it's the best because of the protection.Well, that's wrong. Unless it is a LARGE amount. Paypal is wonderful. NO WAY can a payment be stopped after it is sent. UNLESS, If he sent an e-check to the PAYPAL account and she shipped before it was cleared, He could cancel it before it was cleared. You are supposed to wait until it clears before shipping! I myself once paid someone via paypal and made a mistake with the amount, by a LARGE amount. I called paypal and they said there is nothing they can do at this point. The return must come from guy who received the money from me. I e-mailed that guy and he sent me the difference via paypal the same day. Just my .02 cents with experience in postal money orders and Paypal. Good luck!!!!!!!!!! Lou wrote: As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most part, it is Postal MO only! Lou "Keith" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou" wrote: You can't blame E-Bay - least not entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then again, it's no worse there, When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon receipt take it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship the item with a delivery confirmation to the buyer. -- Best Regards, Keith http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page |
Gary S. wrote:
It is. Except when it isn't. Nothing they can do to stop every bit of it. They can (and should) minimize it, and they should make sure that transactions are tracable enough so that legal action can be taken if needed. They need to monitor, and shut down anyone who does something improper. They should really work to make certain that scamsters cannot make up a new name and get back on the system. But ebay makes money on scamsters as well, thus they aren't too concerned about putting forth much effort to shut them down. |
Gary S. wrote:
It is. Except when it isn't. Nothing they can do to stop every bit of it. They can (and should) minimize it, and they should make sure that transactions are tracable enough so that legal action can be taken if needed. They need to monitor, and shut down anyone who does something improper. They should really work to make certain that scamsters cannot make up a new name and get back on the system. But ebay makes money on scamsters as well, thus they aren't too concerned about putting forth much effort to shut them down. |
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:05:16 GMT, "Lou"
wrote: I can go along with your idea. There really are NO guarantees. Even with pay pal - I've "heard" of people getting burned. As I understand it, the easiest way to get aced by PayPal is to have the seller send something worthless, but get a proof of delivery. According to PayPal's policies, at least a couple of years back, they would not recover payment if you had a delivery receipt even if you sold a radio and shipped a box of rocks. I suspect the only way around this would be if the seller required a receiver's signature (unlikely) and the receiver withheld the signature until after the package was opened and verified. |
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:05:16 GMT, "Lou"
wrote: I can go along with your idea. There really are NO guarantees. Even with pay pal - I've "heard" of people getting burned. As I understand it, the easiest way to get aced by PayPal is to have the seller send something worthless, but get a proof of delivery. According to PayPal's policies, at least a couple of years back, they would not recover payment if you had a delivery receipt even if you sold a radio and shipped a box of rocks. I suspect the only way around this would be if the seller required a receiver's signature (unlikely) and the receiver withheld the signature until after the package was opened and verified. |
Just an update:
I have confirmed this all to be 100% true. Also eBay did nothing to help neither did Paypal I assisted Mrs. Thompson in filling out the forms for the Postal Inspector's Office to have Mail fraud charges levied against XE2FLR. This guy even went as far as giving her positive feedback at eBay saying "thanks!" This old lady walked right into his trap but it will catch up to him in time. |
Just an update:
I have confirmed this all to be 100% true. Also eBay did nothing to help neither did Paypal I assisted Mrs. Thompson in filling out the forms for the Postal Inspector's Office to have Mail fraud charges levied against XE2FLR. This guy even went as far as giving her positive feedback at eBay saying "thanks!" This old lady walked right into his trap but it will catch up to him in time. |
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