On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:27:07 -0700, Diamond Dave
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:35:44 -0600, "Noon-Air" wrote:

If you absolutely must use a beeper, then do it on the Childrens Band.. not
on the HAM bands.

Except for repeaters, they have no good use, but if you must, I agree with the
above.

A distinction here is that the repeater itself puts the tone on to
signify when the timer has started. The tone is not superimposed by
the person using the repeater.

There are only a couple of times when transmitted audible tones are
used. One is for a repeater autopatch. The other is to awaken Litz
decoders for emergency traffic. Beyond those two applications,
audible tones have no place in amateur radio. They need to stay in CB
land.

Dick - W6CCD

"Diamond Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:19:44 -0500, Ken C wrote:

I am trying to adapt a CB "roger beep" mic for ham radio and there is
some odd terminology for CB mic wiring.

Have you considered suicide? You should.

Suicide would be good for anyone calling himself diamond dave.

Or be called a diamond dave!

"F8BOE" wrote in message
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Hello,

In a decent way, these tones could probably be useful during contests or
when propagation conditions are weak (V/U/SHF). But beware, don't abuse
it,
or you'll be called a Johnny.

73 de F8BOE Olivier ...-.-


Ken C wrote:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:15:25 -0800, "Caveat Lector"
wrote:
Hi Ken -- ignore the nasty replies

I always ignore the crackpots; most have no lives and nothing to say
of value.

Well, NASA uses roger beep with its astronauts and ham repeaters use
them all the time, but call them courtesy tones. So I see no problem
with experimenting on SSB, especially with folks I know who have no
objection. Especially if the tone if not loud or extravagant.

Dick wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:27:07 -0700, Diamond Dave
wrote:


On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:35:44 -0600, "Noon-Air" wrote:
AMEN!
JCB



If you absolutely must use a beeper, then do it on the Childrens Band.. not
on the HAM bands.

Except for repeaters, they have no good use, but if you must, I agree with the
above.


A distinction here is that the repeater itself puts the tone on to
signify when the timer has started. The tone is not superimposed by
the person using the repeater.

There are only a couple of times when transmitted audible tones are
used. One is for a repeater autopatch. The other is to awaken Litz
decoders for emergency traffic. Beyond those two applications,
audible tones have no place in amateur radio. They need to stay in CB
land.

Dick - W6CCD

On 2006-02-11, Ken C wrote:

Well, NASA uses roger beep with its astronauts

Actually NASA used "quindar tones" which are in-band signalling to
activate ground transmitters. Those beeps were removed by a notch
filter and never made it into the uplink.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

The question to seek is WHY are they there?

The "courtesy tones" serve a purpose (yes that is a funny name and I don't
know where it started, but)...to tell when the timer is reset.
73, Steve, K9DCI

"Ken C" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:15:25 -0800, "Caveat Lector"
wrote:
Hi Ken -- ignore the nasty replies

I always ignore the crackpots; most have no lives and nothing to say
of value.

Well, NASA uses roger beep with its astronauts and ham repeaters use
them all the time, but call them courtesy tones. So I see no problem
with experimenting on SSB, especially with folks I know who have no
objection. Especially if the tone if not loud or extravagant.