What's REALLY Going to Happen When the Code Test Drops
 

"K4YZ" wrote in
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wrote:
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On 27 Nov 2006 15:37:54 -0800, wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:59:00 -0500, ". . . _" ProCoder@anon
wrote:

This site will help you work on your CW.
http://www.cq2k.com/

well it did not work 6 years ago, why would I expect to work now?

assuming I was willing to put the time into trying

They've repackaged it and are selling it as "New and Improved."

All they did was change the timing so that you now have to take the
5WPM exam at 13-15WPM.

Ah, I see it sounds really promising then

It's almost enough to entice someone into the service...

Almost.

Here's what's going to happen after the Morse Code exam is dropped:

There will be a brief surge of NCT's who upgrade to an HF license.
There will be a brief (maybe 6 months?) burst of new ops on HF, then it
will be back to the repeaters.

There will be a brief surge of new Amateurs. Ditto the above,
minus the migration back to the repeaters.

Then it will be business as usual...Just as it has been for the
last 5 major changes of Amateur Radio regulations that were supposed to
bring magnificent numbers of new operators to the fold.

Steve, K4YZ


No, the bands are going to get worse over the long haul. We got people
that don't want to be skilled knowledgable hams. If they're too lazy to
learn CW they are going to be too lazy to learn other things too.
Technical discussions will decline. It will start to sound like CB.

I give ham radio fifteen years after the code requirement is eliminated to
totally get there, but it will be noticable that it's going downhill
quality wise within the first five years.

Just listen to the no-code ignorance on repeaters, you don't think thats
no going to migrate to HF?

SC

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"K4YZ" wrote in
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wrote:
wrote:
On 27 Nov 2006 15:37:54 -0800, wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:59:00 -0500, ". . . _" ProCoder@anon
wrote:

This site will help you work on your CW.
http://www.cq2k.com/

well it did not work 6 years ago, why would I expect to work now?

assuming I was willing to put the time into trying

They've repackaged it and are selling it as "New and Improved."

All they did was change the timing so that you now have to take the
5WPM exam at 13-15WPM.

Ah, I see it sounds really promising then

It's almost enough to entice someone into the service...

Almost.

Here's what's going to happen after the Morse Code exam is dropped:

There will be a brief surge of NCT's who upgrade to an HF license.
There will be a brief (maybe 6 months?) burst of new ops on HF, then it
will be back to the repeaters.

There will be a brief surge of new Amateurs. Ditto the above,
minus the migration back to the repeaters.

Then it will be business as usual...Just as it has been for the
last 5 major changes of Amateur Radio regulations that were supposed to
bring magnificent numbers of new operators to the fold.

Steve, K4YZ


No, the bands are going to get worse over the long haul. We got people
that don't want to be skilled knowledgable hams. If they're too lazy to
learn CW they are going to be too lazy to learn other things too.
Technical discussions will decline. It will start to sound like CB.

I give ham radio fifteen years after the code requirement is eliminated to
totally get there, but it will be noticable that it's going downhill
quality wise within the first five years.

Just listen to the no-code ignorance on repeaters, you don't think thats
no going to migrate to HF?

SC

It would certainly be an improvement over you.

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On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:25:01 GMT, Slow Code wrote:


No, the bands are going to get worse over the long haul. We got people
that don't want to be skilled knowledgable hams. If they're too lazy to
learn CW they are going to be too lazy to learn other things too.
Technical discussions will decline. It will start to sound like CB.

From the European perspective, I do not understand this discussion.
Most European countries (except Russia) removed the CW requirement
after a few months of the ITU WRC decision that CW test is not
required at frequencies below 30 MHz.

I haven't observed any problems with persons using the HF bands
without the CW test.

Listen for yourself, can you tell which European operator has passed
the CW test and which one has not passed the test.

Paul OH3LWR

What's REALLY Going to Happen When the Code Test Drops
 

Paul Keinanen wrote:
On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:25:01 GMT, Slow Code wrote:

No, the bands are going to get worse over the long haul. We got people
that don't want to be skilled knowledgable hams. If they're too lazy to
learn CW they are going to be too lazy to learn other things too.
Technical discussions will decline. It will start to sound like CB.

From the European perspective, I do not understand this discussion.
Most European countries (except Russia) removed the CW requirement
after a few months of the ITU WRC decision that CW test is not
required at frequencies below 30 MHz.

I haven't observed any problems with persons using the HF bands
without the CW test.

Listen for yourself, can you tell which European operator has passed
the CW test and which one has not passed the test.

Paul OH3LWR


Paul:

If before I did not have reason enough to appreciate European logic, I
do now.

Warmest regards,
JS

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Paul Keinanen wrote:
From the European perspective, I do not understand this discussion.
Most European countries (except Russia) removed the CW requirement
after a few months of the ITU WRC decision that CW test is not
required at frequencies below 30 MHz.

I don't know if or when they dropped it), but the Soviet Union had
a no code HF license starting around 1956. Japan also had one
at one time.

From the point of view of the "DX", like you Paul, I'm glad that
the low end of the 40m and 75 meter phone bands was extended. I PREFER
SSB, a 20 meters has been open to the U.S. on "good days" for around
20 minutes.

Due to the influence of the Israel Amateur Radio Club, the code
requirement has been kept. With the IARC's other policies, including
operating events when relgious hams can't operate, pushing for
a five year requirement to convert a foreign license for new immegrants,
etc, they really have become the superfulous old man's CW club,
dragging the hobby down with them.

Geoff.

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IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
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"Paul Keinanen" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:25:01 GMT, Slow Code wrote:


No, the bands are going to get worse over the long haul. We got people
that don't want to be skilled knowledgable hams. If they're too lazy to
learn CW they are going to be too lazy to learn other things too.
Technical discussions will decline. It will start to sound like CB.

From the European perspective, I do not understand this discussion.
Most European countries (except Russia) removed the CW requirement
after a few months of the ITU WRC decision that CW test is not
required at frequencies below 30 MHz.

I haven't observed any problems with persons using the HF bands
without the CW test.

Listen for yourself, can you tell which European operator has passed
the CW test and which one has not passed the test.

Paul OH3LWR


Other countries are not a problem. Personally I do not attempt to predict
what will happen in the US. However some fear that with easy licensing and
the lax enforcement here that there could potentially be serious problems.
They fear a repetition of what happened to the Citizens Band here. With
little to no enforcement of violations, that band became such a sewer that
you don't dare let kids listen to it. Recently two CB operators got into
a fight over the radio, sought each other out, and one was killed. It is
not the world we fear but ourselves.

Dee, N8UZE

What's REALLY Going to Happen When the Code Test Drops
 

Dee:

England feared granting us independence and the right to govern ourselves,
frankly, they were correct; we have been a problem ever since!

Warmest regards,
JS

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"Paul Keinanen" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:25:01 GMT, Slow Code wrote:


No, the bands are going to get worse over the long haul. We got people
that don't want to be skilled knowledgable hams. If they're too lazy to
learn CW they are going to be too lazy to learn other things too.
Technical discussions will decline. It will start to sound like CB.

From the European perspective, I do not understand this discussion.
Most European countries (except Russia) removed the CW requirement
after a few months of the ITU WRC decision that CW test is not
required at frequencies below 30 MHz.

I haven't observed any problems with persons using the HF bands
without the CW test.

Listen for yourself, can you tell which European operator has passed
the CW test and which one has not passed the test.

Paul OH3LWR


Other countries are not a problem. Personally I do not attempt to predict
what will happen in the US. However some fear that with easy licensing
and the lax enforcement here that there could potentially be serious
problems. They fear a repetition of what happened to the Citizens Band
here. With little to no enforcement of violations, that band became such
a sewer that you don't dare let kids listen to it. Recently two CB
operators got into a fight over the radio, sought each other out, and one
was killed. It is not the world we fear but ourselves.

Dee, N8UZE

What's REALLY Going to Happen When the Code Test Drops
 

John Smith wrote:
Dee:

England feared granting us independence and the right to govern ourselves,
frankly, they were correct; we have been a problem ever since!

Warmest regards,
JS

I'm of the opinion that the ARRL feared to give US radio amateurs
their independence from morse code testing. :-)

LA

What's REALLY Going to Happen When the Code Test Drops
 

Dee Flint wrote:
"Paul Keinanen" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:25:01 GMT, Slow Code wrote:


No, the bands are going to get worse over the long haul. We got people
that don't want to be skilled knowledgable hams. If they're too lazy to
learn CW they are going to be too lazy to learn other things too.
Technical discussions will decline. It will start to sound like CB.

From the European perspective, I do not understand this discussion.
Most European countries (except Russia) removed the CW requirement
after a few months of the ITU WRC decision that CW test is not
required at frequencies below 30 MHz.

We have the ARRL wispering in the FCCs ear.

I haven't observed any problems with persons using the HF bands
without the CW test.

Listen for yourself, can you tell which European operator has passed
the CW test and which one has not passed the test.

Paul OH3LWR

Other countries are not a problem.

No country should be a problem.

Personally I do not attempt to predict
what will happen in the US. However some fear that with easy licensing and
the lax enforcement here that there could potentially be serious problems.

Riley isn't doing his job?

I think what I wrote before one of the recent restructurings was, "What
I fear most about eliminating the Morse Code Exam is a lack of
enforcement, and what I fear most about maintaining the Status Quo is a
lack of enforcement."

A lack of enforcement is a lack of enforcement, and a Morse Code Exam
CANNOT be used as a substitute.

Be sure to collect evidence of USA violations and turn it in to Riley.
Don't just pass it to your OO.

They fear a repetition of what happened to the Citizens Band here. With
little to no enforcement of violations, that band became such a sewer that
you don't dare let kids listen to it. Recently two CB operators got into
a fight over the radio, sought each other out, and one was killed. It is
not the world we fear but ourselves.

Dee, N8UZE

There are loose cannons in Amateur Radio as well.

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Dee Flint wrote:
"Paul Keinanen" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:25:01 GMT, Slow Code wrote:


No, the bands are going to get worse over the long haul. We got people
that don't want to be skilled knowledgable hams. If they're too lazy
to
learn CW they are going to be too lazy to learn other things too.
Technical discussions will decline. It will start to sound like CB.

From the European perspective, I do not understand this discussion.
Most European countries (except Russia) removed the CW requirement
after a few months of the ITU WRC decision that CW test is not
required at frequencies below 30 MHz.

We have the ARRL wispering in the FCCs ear.

I haven't observed any problems with persons using the HF bands
without the CW test.

Listen for yourself, can you tell which European operator has passed
the CW test and which one has not passed the test.

Paul OH3LWR

Other countries are not a problem.

No country should be a problem.

Personally I do not attempt to predict
what will happen in the US. However some fear that with easy licensing
and
the lax enforcement here that there could potentially be serious
problems.

Riley isn't doing his job?

I think what I wrote before one of the recent restructurings was, "What
I fear most about eliminating the Morse Code Exam is a lack of
enforcement, and what I fear most about maintaining the Status Quo is a
lack of enforcement."

A lack of enforcement is a lack of enforcement, and a Morse Code Exam
CANNOT be used as a substitute.


If you recall, I've never been the one to claim it is any type of filter
etc. I simply think it is one of the basics and for that reason believe a
basic requirement is suitable.

Be sure to collect evidence of USA violations and turn it in to Riley.
Don't just pass it to your OO.

They fear a repetition of what happened to the Citizens Band here. With
little to no enforcement of violations, that band became such a sewer
that
you don't dare let kids listen to it. Recently two CB operators got
into
a fight over the radio, sought each other out, and one was killed. It is
not the world we fear but ourselves.

Dee, N8UZE

There are loose cannons in Amateur Radio as well.


That there are.

Dee, N8UZE

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" wrote in
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John Smith wrote:
Dee:

England feared granting us independence and the right to govern
ourselves, frankly, they were correct; we have been a problem ever
since!

Warmest regards,
JS

I'm of the opinion that the ARRL feared to give US radio amateurs
their independence from morse code testing. :-)

LA


Secretly, the ARRL would like to see the code requirement go away,
but they can't display that outwardly because it will make them look like
they are against having good skilled hams. Rest assured, when the code
requirement is eliminated, the ARRL (Anti-Radio-Relay-League) with try to
come up with a way to capitalize on the dumbing down of the service so
they can get more money in the corporate bank account.

SC

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Dee Flint wrote:
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Dee Flint wrote:
"Paul Keinanen" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:25:01 GMT, Slow Code wrote:


No, the bands are going to get worse over the long haul. We got people
that don't want to be skilled knowledgable hams. If they're too lazy
to
learn CW they are going to be too lazy to learn other things too.
Technical discussions will decline. It will start to sound like CB.

From the European perspective, I do not understand this discussion.
Most European countries (except Russia) removed the CW requirement
after a few months of the ITU WRC decision that CW test is not
required at frequencies below 30 MHz.

We have the ARRL wispering in the FCCs ear.

I haven't observed any problems with persons using the HF bands
without the CW test.

Listen for yourself, can you tell which European operator has passed
the CW test and which one has not passed the test.

Paul OH3LWR

Other countries are not a problem.

No country should be a problem.

Personally I do not attempt to predict
what will happen in the US. However some fear that with easy licensing
and
the lax enforcement here that there could potentially be serious
problems.

Riley isn't doing his job?

I think what I wrote before one of the recent restructurings was, "What
I fear most about eliminating the Morse Code Exam is a lack of
enforcement, and what I fear most about maintaining the Status Quo is a
lack of enforcement."

A lack of enforcement is a lack of enforcement, and a Morse Code Exam
CANNOT be used as a substitute.

If you recall, I've never been the one to claim it is any type of filter
etc. I simply think it is one of the basics and for that reason believe a
basic requirement is suitable.

Dee, you were talking about a lack of enforcement and I was talking
about a lack of enforcement. We were talking about a lack of
enforcement...WITH REGARD TO MORSE CODE TESTING. You absolutely were
saying its being used as a filter in that context.

You came so, so very close to accepting the truth, then you got scared
and ran away.

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Dee Flint wrote:
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Dee Flint wrote:
"Paul Keinanen" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:25:01 GMT, Slow Code wrote:


No, the bands are going to get worse over the long haul. We got
people
that don't want to be skilled knowledgable hams. If they're too
lazy
to
learn CW they are going to be too lazy to learn other things too.
Technical discussions will decline. It will start to sound like CB.

From the European perspective, I do not understand this discussion.
Most European countries (except Russia) removed the CW requirement
after a few months of the ITU WRC decision that CW test is not
required at frequencies below 30 MHz.

We have the ARRL wispering in the FCCs ear.

I haven't observed any problems with persons using the HF bands
without the CW test.

Listen for yourself, can you tell which European operator has passed
the CW test and which one has not passed the test.

Paul OH3LWR

Other countries are not a problem.

No country should be a problem.

Personally I do not attempt to predict
what will happen in the US. However some fear that with easy
licensing
and
the lax enforcement here that there could potentially be serious
problems.

Riley isn't doing his job?

I think what I wrote before one of the recent restructurings was, "What
I fear most about eliminating the Morse Code Exam is a lack of
enforcement, and what I fear most about maintaining the Status Quo is a
lack of enforcement."

A lack of enforcement is a lack of enforcement, and a Morse Code Exam
CANNOT be used as a substitute.

If you recall, I've never been the one to claim it is any type of filter
etc. I simply think it is one of the basics and for that reason believe
a
basic requirement is suitable.

Dee, you were talking about a lack of enforcement and I was talking
about a lack of enforcement. We were talking about a lack of
enforcement...WITH REGARD TO MORSE CODE TESTING. You absolutely were
saying its being used as a filter in that context.

You came so, so very close to accepting the truth, then you got scared
and ran away.


Not hardly. I was discussing the fact that OTHER people consider it a
filter. I have never, ever made any statement to that effect. I was
discussing OTHER'S opinions and fears for the enlightenment of the ham from
another country who asked why it was such a big deal here.

Just because I chose to discuss the opinions presented by some does NOT mean
I subscribe to those opinions.

Dee, N8UZE

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Dee Flint wrote:
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A lack of enforcement is a lack of enforcement, and a Morse Code Exam
CANNOT be used as a substitute.


If you recall, I've never been the one to claim it is any type of filter
etc. I simply think it is one of the basics and for that reason believe a
basic requirement is suitable.

and there of course you are plain wrong

Neither Morse code nor cw has been truly basic to Ham radio at any time
in our history in making this statement you spout bogus propaganda

Morse Code has NOTHING whatever to do with radio it just so happens to
exist and was apllied to first spark (which sure isn't CW) as it was
applied to various wired aplication

indeed the Morse Code test know even prove one can use Morse Code (as
can be seen by skimming the threads bashing newbie code users on QRZ)

indeed with you Dee we have a clear case of the dmage done the ARS by
Code testing

we have an extra class our most tested therefore in theory our most
knowledgable class of hma making down right stupid statement about what
Ham radio is

now it isn't entirely her fault of course she is product of th e system
foisted on one by the FCC allowing the ARRL to decide what we needed to
be real hams

it is rather like the case in B5 of Akara 7 where the leader fed
propagnad about what made a real Akaran to leath weapons and turned
them loose during an invasion the result was the they repelled the in
vasion and killed off all of the inhabitants of Akara 7 as well

Dee Flint is a poster child for what went wrong with incentive licensing