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Frank K3EKO October 11th 03 03:48 AM

Dee D. Flint wrote:

wrote in message
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MikeB wrote:

MikeB wrote:



wrote in message



There is NO Tech Plus test. Only Tech, General and Extra.

-Frank



Hmmmm. How about "Technicians with HF" (term is from the ARRL
website)? I was trying to say that I was also taking the code test
portion also.

MikeB

There is no Tech with HF. You need a General Class.

73

Frank K3EKO




Hmmmmm, the FCC


(http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ama...atorclass.html)says

"A Technician Class licensee who also has passed a 5 words-per-minute
(wpm) telegraphy examination receives privileges in four long distance
shortwave bands in the HF range (3-30 MHz) (Refer to Section 97.301)"

Is this incorrect or outdated? As I said before this is all new to me!

MikeB


Incorrect and Outdated. Prior to the FCC restructuring of the Amateur
Bands, Tech Plus's could operate on HF. However, with the new rules in
place, you need to be a General class or higher in order to operate on HF.

73

Frank K3EKO



WRONG. Go read the rules. Any Tech who passes the 5wpm gets the same HF
privileges as the old Tech Plus and Novice classes.

I am a VE and also teach license classes for prospective licensees. Just
read the latest copy of ARRL's "Now You're Talking" or the Gordon West study
guide.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

I don't care about the ARRL. THey can go to HELL.



Frank K3EKO October 11th 03 03:49 AM

Dee D. Flint wrote:

wrote in message
news:5nEhb.724429$Ho3.176893@sccrnsc03...

El Martillo wrote:

Frank wrote:


There is NO Tech Plus test. Only Tech, General and Extra.
-Frank


But at URL: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/ead/classes.html

It states:
Technician Class

Hams enter the hobby as Technicians by passing a 35-question


multiple-choice

examination. No Morse code test is required. The exam covers basic
regulations, operating practices, and electronics theory, with a focus


on

VHF and UHF applications.

Technician Class operators are authorized to use all amateur VHF and UHF
frequencies (all frequencies above 50 MHz). Technicians who pass a 5 WPM
Morse code examination are entitled to limited power outputs on certain


HF

frequencies. "Technicians with HF" may operate on the 80, 40, and 15


meter

bands using CW, and on the 10 meter band using CW, voice, and digital


modes.



Also for freq and power limits -- see URL:

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/reg.../allocate.html



Believe who you want. That only applies to old tech plus licensees.
New Tech's CANNOT operate HF. How many times am I going to have to
explain this???

73

Frank K3EKO



Just as many times as I must tell you that you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Techs who pass 5wpm get the old Tech Plus/Novice HF privileges. Says so
right in the FCC rules and all the up to date study guides.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

What kind of dope are you smoking?



Frank K3EKO October 11th 03 03:49 AM

Dee D. Flint wrote:

wrote in message
news:5nEhb.724429$Ho3.176893@sccrnsc03...

El Martillo wrote:

Frank wrote:


There is NO Tech Plus test. Only Tech, General and Extra.
-Frank


But at URL: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/ead/classes.html

It states:
Technician Class

Hams enter the hobby as Technicians by passing a 35-question


multiple-choice

examination. No Morse code test is required. The exam covers basic
regulations, operating practices, and electronics theory, with a focus


on

VHF and UHF applications.

Technician Class operators are authorized to use all amateur VHF and UHF
frequencies (all frequencies above 50 MHz). Technicians who pass a 5 WPM
Morse code examination are entitled to limited power outputs on certain


HF

frequencies. "Technicians with HF" may operate on the 80, 40, and 15


meter

bands using CW, and on the 10 meter band using CW, voice, and digital


modes.



Also for freq and power limits -- see URL:

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/reg.../allocate.html



Believe who you want. That only applies to old tech plus licensees.
New Tech's CANNOT operate HF. How many times am I going to have to
explain this???

73

Frank K3EKO



Just as many times as I must tell you that you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Techs who pass 5wpm get the old Tech Plus/Novice HF privileges. Says so
right in the FCC rules and all the up to date study guides.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

What kind of dope are you smoking?



Frank K3EKO October 11th 03 03:57 AM

Dee D. Flint wrote:

wrote in message
news:jpDhb.535678$cF.207422@rwcrnsc53...

MikeB wrote:

MikeB wrote:



wrote in message



There is NO Tech Plus test. Only Tech, General and Extra.

-Frank



Hmmmm. How about "Technicians with HF" (term is from the ARRL
website)? I was trying to say that I was also taking the code test
portion also.

MikeB

There is no Tech with HF. You need a General Class.

73

Frank K3EKO




Hmmmmm, the FCC


(http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ama...atorclass.html)says

"A Technician Class licensee who also has passed a 5 words-per-minute
(wpm) telegraphy examination receives privileges in four long distance
shortwave bands in the HF range (3-30 MHz) (Refer to Section 97.301)"

Is this incorrect or outdated? As I said before this is all new to me!

MikeB


Incorrect and Outdated. Prior to the FCC restructuring of the Amateur
Bands, Tech Plus's could operate on HF. However, with the new rules in
place, you need to be a General class or higher in order to operate on HF.

73

Frank K3EKO



WRONG. Go read the rules. Any Tech who passes the 5wpm gets the same HF
privileges as the old Tech Plus and Novice classes.

I am a VE and also teach license classes for prospective licensees. Just
read the latest copy of ARRL's "Now You're Talking" or the Gordon West study
guide.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


If you're an authorized VE, they should revoke your VE status for
telling NEW Techs that they can operate on HF.


Frank K3EKO October 11th 03 03:57 AM

Dee D. Flint wrote:

wrote in message
news:jpDhb.535678$cF.207422@rwcrnsc53...

MikeB wrote:

MikeB wrote:



wrote in message



There is NO Tech Plus test. Only Tech, General and Extra.

-Frank



Hmmmm. How about "Technicians with HF" (term is from the ARRL
website)? I was trying to say that I was also taking the code test
portion also.

MikeB

There is no Tech with HF. You need a General Class.

73

Frank K3EKO




Hmmmmm, the FCC


(http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ama...atorclass.html)says

"A Technician Class licensee who also has passed a 5 words-per-minute
(wpm) telegraphy examination receives privileges in four long distance
shortwave bands in the HF range (3-30 MHz) (Refer to Section 97.301)"

Is this incorrect or outdated? As I said before this is all new to me!

MikeB


Incorrect and Outdated. Prior to the FCC restructuring of the Amateur
Bands, Tech Plus's could operate on HF. However, with the new rules in
place, you need to be a General class or higher in order to operate on HF.

73

Frank K3EKO



WRONG. Go read the rules. Any Tech who passes the 5wpm gets the same HF
privileges as the old Tech Plus and Novice classes.

I am a VE and also teach license classes for prospective licensees. Just
read the latest copy of ARRL's "Now You're Talking" or the Gordon West study
guide.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


If you're an authorized VE, they should revoke your VE status for
telling NEW Techs that they can operate on HF.


Dee D. Flint October 11th 03 03:57 AM


"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:maKhb.733291$uu5.125006@sccrnsc04...
Dee D. Flint wrote:
wrote in message
news:ucohb.530593$Oz4.412460@rwcrnsc54...

MikeB wrote:

I am taking the Tech+ test soon and have some equipment-related
questions.

I know alot about electronics but nothing about amateur radio, nor do
I know anyone who does, so I hope this is the best newsgroup for info,
if not, let me know which group to ask my questions in!

I plan to start off with low-power CW and need to know what equipment
I'll need to get started. I searched the archives, but did not get
much solid info.

I plan on getting a basic "learning transceiver" off eBay to begin
with, then after I know what options I need and learn more, I'll get a
new one.

What features will I need to be able to start to do low-power CW, and
is there a preferred brand or model to look for?

Thanks,

MikeB

There is NO Tech Plus test. Only Tech, General and Extra.

-Frank



However, there is a Tech with HF privileges even though the license only
says Technician.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Yes, prior to restructuring.

Frank


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking." Technicians
who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


Dee D. Flint October 11th 03 03:57 AM


"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:maKhb.733291$uu5.125006@sccrnsc04...
Dee D. Flint wrote:
wrote in message
news:ucohb.530593$Oz4.412460@rwcrnsc54...

MikeB wrote:

I am taking the Tech+ test soon and have some equipment-related
questions.

I know alot about electronics but nothing about amateur radio, nor do
I know anyone who does, so I hope this is the best newsgroup for info,
if not, let me know which group to ask my questions in!

I plan to start off with low-power CW and need to know what equipment
I'll need to get started. I searched the archives, but did not get
much solid info.

I plan on getting a basic "learning transceiver" off eBay to begin
with, then after I know what options I need and learn more, I'll get a
new one.

What features will I need to be able to start to do low-power CW, and
is there a preferred brand or model to look for?

Thanks,

MikeB

There is NO Tech Plus test. Only Tech, General and Extra.

-Frank



However, there is a Tech with HF privileges even though the license only
says Technician.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Yes, prior to restructuring.

Frank


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking." Technicians
who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


Dee D. Flint October 11th 03 04:00 AM


"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:TcKhb.724143$YN5.647020@sccrnsc01...
Dee D. Flint wrote:

wrote in message
news:5nEhb.724429$Ho3.176893@sccrnsc03...

El Martillo wrote:

Frank wrote:


There is NO Tech Plus test. Only Tech, General and Extra.
-Frank


But at URL: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/ead/classes.html

It states:
Technician Class

Hams enter the hobby as Technicians by passing a 35-question


multiple-choice

examination. No Morse code test is required. The exam covers basic
regulations, operating practices, and electronics theory, with a focus


on

VHF and UHF applications.

Technician Class operators are authorized to use all amateur VHF and

UHF
frequencies (all frequencies above 50 MHz). Technicians who pass a 5

WPM
Morse code examination are entitled to limited power outputs on certain


HF

frequencies. "Technicians with HF" may operate on the 80, 40, and 15


meter

bands using CW, and on the 10 meter band using CW, voice, and digital


modes.



Also for freq and power limits -- see URL:

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/reg.../allocate.html



Believe who you want. That only applies to old tech plus licensees.
New Tech's CANNOT operate HF. How many times am I going to have to
explain this???

73

Frank K3EKO



Just as many times as I must tell you that you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Techs who pass 5wpm get the old Tech Plus/Novice HF privileges. Says so
right in the FCC rules and all the up to date study guides.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

What kind of dope are you smoking?



I choose to stay up to date on rules and regulations so that I can
effectively teach and administer the licensing tests in accordance with FCC
requirements. If you choose to continue to hold to a position that is
clearly incorrect as shown by the FCC rules, that is your problem.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee D. Flint October 11th 03 04:00 AM


"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:TcKhb.724143$YN5.647020@sccrnsc01...
Dee D. Flint wrote:

wrote in message
news:5nEhb.724429$Ho3.176893@sccrnsc03...

El Martillo wrote:

Frank wrote:


There is NO Tech Plus test. Only Tech, General and Extra.
-Frank


But at URL: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/ead/classes.html

It states:
Technician Class

Hams enter the hobby as Technicians by passing a 35-question


multiple-choice

examination. No Morse code test is required. The exam covers basic
regulations, operating practices, and electronics theory, with a focus


on

VHF and UHF applications.

Technician Class operators are authorized to use all amateur VHF and

UHF
frequencies (all frequencies above 50 MHz). Technicians who pass a 5

WPM
Morse code examination are entitled to limited power outputs on certain


HF

frequencies. "Technicians with HF" may operate on the 80, 40, and 15


meter

bands using CW, and on the 10 meter band using CW, voice, and digital


modes.



Also for freq and power limits -- see URL:

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/reg.../allocate.html



Believe who you want. That only applies to old tech plus licensees.
New Tech's CANNOT operate HF. How many times am I going to have to
explain this???

73

Frank K3EKO



Just as many times as I must tell you that you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Techs who pass 5wpm get the old Tech Plus/Novice HF privileges. Says so
right in the FCC rules and all the up to date study guides.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

What kind of dope are you smoking?



I choose to stay up to date on rules and regulations so that I can
effectively teach and administer the licensing tests in accordance with FCC
requirements. If you choose to continue to hold to a position that is
clearly incorrect as shown by the FCC rules, that is your problem.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Frank K3EKO October 11th 03 04:03 AM

Dee D. Flint wrote:

"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:maKhb.733291$uu5.125006@sccrnsc04...

Dee D. Flint wrote:

wrote in message
news:ucohb.530593$Oz4.412460@rwcrnsc54...


MikeB wrote:


I am taking the Tech+ test soon and have some equipment-related
questions.

I know alot about electronics but nothing about amateur radio, nor do
I know anyone who does, so I hope this is the best newsgroup for info,
if not, let me know which group to ask my questions in!

I plan to start off with low-power CW and need to know what equipment
I'll need to get started. I searched the archives, but did not get
much solid info.

I plan on getting a basic "learning transceiver" off eBay to begin
with, then after I know what options I need and learn more, I'll get a
new one.

What features will I need to be able to start to do low-power CW, and
is there a preferred brand or model to look for?

Thanks,

MikeB

There is NO Tech Plus test. Only Tech, General and Extra.

-Frank



However, there is a Tech with HF privileges even though the license only
says Technician.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Yes, prior to restructuring.

Frank



And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking." Technicians
who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO


Frank K3EKO October 11th 03 04:03 AM

Dee D. Flint wrote:

"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:maKhb.733291$uu5.125006@sccrnsc04...

Dee D. Flint wrote:

wrote in message
news:ucohb.530593$Oz4.412460@rwcrnsc54...


MikeB wrote:


I am taking the Tech+ test soon and have some equipment-related
questions.

I know alot about electronics but nothing about amateur radio, nor do
I know anyone who does, so I hope this is the best newsgroup for info,
if not, let me know which group to ask my questions in!

I plan to start off with low-power CW and need to know what equipment
I'll need to get started. I searched the archives, but did not get
much solid info.

I plan on getting a basic "learning transceiver" off eBay to begin
with, then after I know what options I need and learn more, I'll get a
new one.

What features will I need to be able to start to do low-power CW, and
is there a preferred brand or model to look for?

Thanks,

MikeB

There is NO Tech Plus test. Only Tech, General and Extra.

-Frank



However, there is a Tech with HF privileges even though the license only
says Technician.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Yes, prior to restructuring.

Frank



And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking." Technicians
who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO


Dee D. Flint October 11th 03 04:05 AM


"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:2kKhb.724195$YN5.646882@sccrnsc01...
Dee D. Flint wrote:

wrote in message
news:jpDhb.535678$cF.207422@rwcrnsc53...

MikeB wrote:

MikeB wrote:



wrote in message



There is NO Tech Plus test. Only Tech, General and Extra.

-Frank



Hmmmm. How about "Technicians with HF" (term is from the ARRL
website)? I was trying to say that I was also taking the code test
portion also.

MikeB

There is no Tech with HF. You need a General Class.

73

Frank K3EKO




Hmmmmm, the FCC


(http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ama...atorclass.html)says

"A Technician Class licensee who also has passed a 5 words-per-minute
(wpm) telegraphy examination receives privileges in four long distance
shortwave bands in the HF range (3-30 MHz) (Refer to Section 97.301)"

Is this incorrect or outdated? As I said before this is all new to me!

MikeB

Incorrect and Outdated. Prior to the FCC restructuring of the Amateur
Bands, Tech Plus's could operate on HF. However, with the new rules in
place, you need to be a General class or higher in order to operate on

HF.

73

Frank K3EKO



WRONG. Go read the rules. Any Tech who passes the 5wpm gets the same

HF
privileges as the old Tech Plus and Novice classes.

I am a VE and also teach license classes for prospective licensees.

Just
read the latest copy of ARRL's "Now You're Talking" or the Gordon West

study
guide.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


If you're an authorized VE, they should revoke your VE status for
telling NEW Techs that they can operate on HF.


Please list the paragraph in Part 97 that states Technicians who pass 5wpm
no longer have HF privileges. Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly states they DO
have HF privileges in the 10 meter, 15 meter, 40 meter, and 80 meter bands.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


Dee D. Flint October 11th 03 04:05 AM


"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:2kKhb.724195$YN5.646882@sccrnsc01...
Dee D. Flint wrote:

wrote in message
news:jpDhb.535678$cF.207422@rwcrnsc53...

MikeB wrote:

MikeB wrote:



wrote in message



There is NO Tech Plus test. Only Tech, General and Extra.

-Frank



Hmmmm. How about "Technicians with HF" (term is from the ARRL
website)? I was trying to say that I was also taking the code test
portion also.

MikeB

There is no Tech with HF. You need a General Class.

73

Frank K3EKO




Hmmmmm, the FCC


(http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ama...atorclass.html)says

"A Technician Class licensee who also has passed a 5 words-per-minute
(wpm) telegraphy examination receives privileges in four long distance
shortwave bands in the HF range (3-30 MHz) (Refer to Section 97.301)"

Is this incorrect or outdated? As I said before this is all new to me!

MikeB

Incorrect and Outdated. Prior to the FCC restructuring of the Amateur
Bands, Tech Plus's could operate on HF. However, with the new rules in
place, you need to be a General class or higher in order to operate on

HF.

73

Frank K3EKO



WRONG. Go read the rules. Any Tech who passes the 5wpm gets the same

HF
privileges as the old Tech Plus and Novice classes.

I am a VE and also teach license classes for prospective licensees.

Just
read the latest copy of ARRL's "Now You're Talking" or the Gordon West

study
guide.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


If you're an authorized VE, they should revoke your VE status for
telling NEW Techs that they can operate on HF.


Please list the paragraph in Part 97 that states Technicians who pass 5wpm
no longer have HF privileges. Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly states they DO
have HF privileges in the 10 meter, 15 meter, 40 meter, and 80 meter bands.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


Dee D. Flint October 11th 03 04:07 AM


"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...
Dee D. Flint wrote:

And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."

Technicians
who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO


Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any Technician who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


Dee D. Flint October 11th 03 04:07 AM


"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...
Dee D. Flint wrote:

And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."

Technicians
who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO


Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any Technician who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


Frank K3EKO October 11th 03 04:25 AM

Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."


Technicians

who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO



Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any Technician who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This is from the W5YI website.

http://www.w5yi.org/AmRadio.htm#TECHNICIAN

TECHNICIAN

Almost all radioamateurs begin their ham career as a "Tech." The
privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands
above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts power. It also allows access to
the two most popular ham bands, 2 meters and 70 cm ...otherwise known as
"450" (MHz.). To pass the Technician Class examination, at least 26
multiple choice questions from a 35 question written examination must be
answered correctly.

There are a total of 384 possible questions in the pool from which these
35 questions are drawn. All questions in the various question banks are
known and widely published. There are no secret questions. The
Technician Class is the most popular license with about one-third of all
radioamateurs holding this license class. You will find Technician
study materials here and here.


Frank K3EKO October 11th 03 04:25 AM

Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."


Technicians

who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO



Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any Technician who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This is from the W5YI website.

http://www.w5yi.org/AmRadio.htm#TECHNICIAN

TECHNICIAN

Almost all radioamateurs begin their ham career as a "Tech." The
privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands
above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts power. It also allows access to
the two most popular ham bands, 2 meters and 70 cm ...otherwise known as
"450" (MHz.). To pass the Technician Class examination, at least 26
multiple choice questions from a 35 question written examination must be
answered correctly.

There are a total of 384 possible questions in the pool from which these
35 questions are drawn. All questions in the various question banks are
known and widely published. There are no secret questions. The
Technician Class is the most popular license with about one-third of all
radioamateurs holding this license class. You will find Technician
study materials here and here.


Frank K3EKO October 11th 03 04:27 AM

Frank K3EKO wrote:
Dee D. Flint wrote:

"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."



Technicians

who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO




Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any Technician
who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your
source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This is from the W5YI website.

http://www.w5yi.org/AmRadio.htm#TECHNICIAN

TECHNICIAN

Almost all radioamateurs begin their ham career as a "Tech." The
privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands
above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts power. It also allows access to
the two most popular ham bands, 2 meters and 70 cm ...otherwise known as
"450" (MHz.). To pass the Technician Class examination, at least 26
multiple choice questions from a 35 question written examination must be
answered correctly.

There are a total of 384 possible questions in the pool from which these
35 questions are drawn. All questions in the various question banks are
known and widely published. There are no secret questions. The
Technician Class is the most popular license with about one-third of all
radioamateurs holding this license class. You will find Technician
study materials here and here.

TECH PLUS
The next step used to be called the "Technician Plus" class. This level
was eliminated as a separate operator class on April 15, 2000 -- but not
the privileges. A Technician Class operator who passes the 5
words-per-minute Morse code (Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy)
and 10-meter voice privileges in four long distance short-wave bands in
the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same as the Tech Plus operator did
previously but they do not get issued another license. Their
authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30 MHz is conferred by
the Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued by
the VE (examining) team.

And like the Novice and Advanced Class, operators who held a Tech Plus
license on April 15, 2000 may modify their license (change their
address, call sign or name) indefinitely. Their new modified Tech Plus
license will still show the Tech Plus Class when it arrives.

But (unlike Novice and Advanced Class operators) Tech Plus licensees who
renew their licenses will be issued a Technician Class license. Again,
it still authorizes HF privileges just as the Tech Plus license did
previously. Their authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30
MHz and 10-meter voice segment is conferred by the (1.) Certificate of
Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) previously issued by the VE
(examining) team or (2.) a previous copy of your Tech Plus license.



Frank K3EKO October 11th 03 04:27 AM

Frank K3EKO wrote:
Dee D. Flint wrote:

"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."



Technicians

who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO




Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any Technician
who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your
source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This is from the W5YI website.

http://www.w5yi.org/AmRadio.htm#TECHNICIAN

TECHNICIAN

Almost all radioamateurs begin their ham career as a "Tech." The
privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands
above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts power. It also allows access to
the two most popular ham bands, 2 meters and 70 cm ...otherwise known as
"450" (MHz.). To pass the Technician Class examination, at least 26
multiple choice questions from a 35 question written examination must be
answered correctly.

There are a total of 384 possible questions in the pool from which these
35 questions are drawn. All questions in the various question banks are
known and widely published. There are no secret questions. The
Technician Class is the most popular license with about one-third of all
radioamateurs holding this license class. You will find Technician
study materials here and here.

TECH PLUS
The next step used to be called the "Technician Plus" class. This level
was eliminated as a separate operator class on April 15, 2000 -- but not
the privileges. A Technician Class operator who passes the 5
words-per-minute Morse code (Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy)
and 10-meter voice privileges in four long distance short-wave bands in
the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same as the Tech Plus operator did
previously but they do not get issued another license. Their
authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30 MHz is conferred by
the Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued by
the VE (examining) team.

And like the Novice and Advanced Class, operators who held a Tech Plus
license on April 15, 2000 may modify their license (change their
address, call sign or name) indefinitely. Their new modified Tech Plus
license will still show the Tech Plus Class when it arrives.

But (unlike Novice and Advanced Class operators) Tech Plus licensees who
renew their licenses will be issued a Technician Class license. Again,
it still authorizes HF privileges just as the Tech Plus license did
previously. Their authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30
MHz and 10-meter voice segment is conferred by the (1.) Certificate of
Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) previously issued by the VE
(examining) team or (2.) a previous copy of your Tech Plus license.



MikeB October 11th 03 04:45 AM

Frank K3EKO wrote:
Frank K3EKO wrote:

Dee D. Flint wrote:

"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."



Technicians

who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO




Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any
Technician who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your
source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This is from the W5YI website.

http://www.w5yi.org/AmRadio.htm#TECHNICIAN

TECHNICIAN

Almost all radioamateurs begin their ham career as a "Tech." The
privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands
above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts power. It also allows access to
the two most popular ham bands, 2 meters and 70 cm ...otherwise known
as "450" (MHz.). To pass the Technician Class examination, at least
26 multiple choice questions from a 35 question written examination
must be answered correctly.

There are a total of 384 possible questions in the pool from which
these 35 questions are drawn. All questions in the various question
banks are known and widely published. There are no secret questions.
The Technician Class is the most popular license with about one-third
of all radioamateurs holding this license class. You will find
Technician study materials here and here.

TECH PLUS
The next step used to be called the "Technician Plus" class. This level
was eliminated as a separate operator class on April 15, 2000 -- but not
the privileges. A Technician Class operator who passes the 5
words-per-minute Morse code (Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy)
and 10-meter voice privileges in four long distance short-wave bands in
the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same as the Tech Plus operator did
previously but they do not get issued another license. Their
authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30 MHz is conferred by
the Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued by
the VE (examining) team.

And like the Novice and Advanced Class, operators who held a Tech Plus
license on April 15, 2000 may modify their license (change their
address, call sign or name) indefinitely. Their new modified Tech Plus
license will still show the Tech Plus Class when it arrives.

But (unlike Novice and Advanced Class operators) Tech Plus licensees who
renew their licenses will be issued a Technician Class license. Again,
it still authorizes HF privileges just as the Tech Plus license did
previously. Their authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30
MHz and 10-meter voice segment is conferred by the (1.) Certificate of
Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) previously issued by the VE
(examining) team or (2.) a previous copy of your Tech Plus license.




Ok! now how about the radio part of my original question??????


MikeB October 11th 03 04:45 AM

Frank K3EKO wrote:
Frank K3EKO wrote:

Dee D. Flint wrote:

"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."



Technicians

who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO




Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any
Technician who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your
source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This is from the W5YI website.

http://www.w5yi.org/AmRadio.htm#TECHNICIAN

TECHNICIAN

Almost all radioamateurs begin their ham career as a "Tech." The
privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands
above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts power. It also allows access to
the two most popular ham bands, 2 meters and 70 cm ...otherwise known
as "450" (MHz.). To pass the Technician Class examination, at least
26 multiple choice questions from a 35 question written examination
must be answered correctly.

There are a total of 384 possible questions in the pool from which
these 35 questions are drawn. All questions in the various question
banks are known and widely published. There are no secret questions.
The Technician Class is the most popular license with about one-third
of all radioamateurs holding this license class. You will find
Technician study materials here and here.

TECH PLUS
The next step used to be called the "Technician Plus" class. This level
was eliminated as a separate operator class on April 15, 2000 -- but not
the privileges. A Technician Class operator who passes the 5
words-per-minute Morse code (Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy)
and 10-meter voice privileges in four long distance short-wave bands in
the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same as the Tech Plus operator did
previously but they do not get issued another license. Their
authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30 MHz is conferred by
the Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued by
the VE (examining) team.

And like the Novice and Advanced Class, operators who held a Tech Plus
license on April 15, 2000 may modify their license (change their
address, call sign or name) indefinitely. Their new modified Tech Plus
license will still show the Tech Plus Class when it arrives.

But (unlike Novice and Advanced Class operators) Tech Plus licensees who
renew their licenses will be issued a Technician Class license. Again,
it still authorizes HF privileges just as the Tech Plus license did
previously. Their authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30
MHz and 10-meter voice segment is conferred by the (1.) Certificate of
Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) previously issued by the VE
(examining) team or (2.) a previous copy of your Tech Plus license.




Ok! now how about the radio part of my original question??????


Martin, VK2UMJ October 11th 03 07:21 AM

"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:3NKhb.724345$YN5.647595@sccrnsc01...
snip

TECH PLUS
The next step used to be called the "Technician Plus" class. This level
was eliminated as a separate operator class on April 15, 2000 -- but not
the privileges. A Technician Class operator who passes the 5
words-per-minute Morse code (Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy)
and 10-meter voice privileges in four long distance short-wave bands in
the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same as the Tech Plus operator did
previously but they do not get issued another license. Their
authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30 MHz is conferred by
the Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued by
the VE (examining) team.

And like the Novice and Advanced Class, operators who held a Tech Plus
license on April 15, 2000 may modify their license (change their
address, call sign or name) indefinitely. Their new modified Tech Plus
license will still show the Tech Plus Class when it arrives.

But (unlike Novice and Advanced Class operators) Tech Plus licensees who
renew their licenses will be issued a Technician Class license. Again,
it still authorizes HF privileges just as the Tech Plus license did
previously. Their authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30
MHz and 10-meter voice segment is conferred by the (1.) Certificate of
Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) previously issued by the VE
(examining) team or (2.) a previous copy of your Tech Plus license.


Umm, excuse me, Frank, but isn't this the exact point that N8UZE was trying
to make and YOU kept saying was wrong, incorrect, mis-guided, etc, etc,
etc??????

Someone point me in the right direction here, please. because I think I'm
totally confused.................

73's

Martin, VK2UMJ

- Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!




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Martin, VK2UMJ October 11th 03 07:21 AM

"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:3NKhb.724345$YN5.647595@sccrnsc01...
snip

TECH PLUS
The next step used to be called the "Technician Plus" class. This level
was eliminated as a separate operator class on April 15, 2000 -- but not
the privileges. A Technician Class operator who passes the 5
words-per-minute Morse code (Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy)
and 10-meter voice privileges in four long distance short-wave bands in
the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same as the Tech Plus operator did
previously but they do not get issued another license. Their
authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30 MHz is conferred by
the Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued by
the VE (examining) team.

And like the Novice and Advanced Class, operators who held a Tech Plus
license on April 15, 2000 may modify their license (change their
address, call sign or name) indefinitely. Their new modified Tech Plus
license will still show the Tech Plus Class when it arrives.

But (unlike Novice and Advanced Class operators) Tech Plus licensees who
renew their licenses will be issued a Technician Class license. Again,
it still authorizes HF privileges just as the Tech Plus license did
previously. Their authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30
MHz and 10-meter voice segment is conferred by the (1.) Certificate of
Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) previously issued by the VE
(examining) team or (2.) a previous copy of your Tech Plus license.


Umm, excuse me, Frank, but isn't this the exact point that N8UZE was trying
to make and YOU kept saying was wrong, incorrect, mis-guided, etc, etc,
etc??????

Someone point me in the right direction here, please. because I think I'm
totally confused.................

73's

Martin, VK2UMJ

- Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!




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Dee D. Flint October 11th 03 12:59 PM


"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uKKhb.724332$YN5.647633@sccrnsc01...
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."


Technicians

who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO



Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any Technician

who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your

source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This is from the W5YI website.

http://www.w5yi.org/AmRadio.htm#TECHNICIAN

TECHNICIAN

Almost all radioamateurs begin their ham career as a "Tech." The
privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands
above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts power. It also allows access to
the two most popular ham bands, 2 meters and 70 cm ...otherwise known as
"450" (MHz.). To pass the Technician Class examination, at least 26
multiple choice questions from a 35 question written examination must be
answered correctly.

There are a total of 384 possible questions in the pool from which these
35 questions are drawn. All questions in the various question banks are
known and widely published. There are no secret questions. The
Technician Class is the most popular license with about one-third of all
radioamateurs holding this license class. You will find Technician
study materials here and here.


This page is out of date as it is obviously pre-restructuring. It discusses
the three license classes that are no longer tested for or issued as new
licenses (i.e. Novice, Tech Plus, and Advanced). That information is
superseded by the FCC rules. So go buy yourself the latest rulebook or the
latest study guide published by W5YI (i.e. the Gordon West book).

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


Dee D. Flint October 11th 03 12:59 PM


"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uKKhb.724332$YN5.647633@sccrnsc01...
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."


Technicians

who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO



Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any Technician

who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your

source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This is from the W5YI website.

http://www.w5yi.org/AmRadio.htm#TECHNICIAN

TECHNICIAN

Almost all radioamateurs begin their ham career as a "Tech." The
privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands
above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts power. It also allows access to
the two most popular ham bands, 2 meters and 70 cm ...otherwise known as
"450" (MHz.). To pass the Technician Class examination, at least 26
multiple choice questions from a 35 question written examination must be
answered correctly.

There are a total of 384 possible questions in the pool from which these
35 questions are drawn. All questions in the various question banks are
known and widely published. There are no secret questions. The
Technician Class is the most popular license with about one-third of all
radioamateurs holding this license class. You will find Technician
study materials here and here.


This page is out of date as it is obviously pre-restructuring. It discusses
the three license classes that are no longer tested for or issued as new
licenses (i.e. Novice, Tech Plus, and Advanced). That information is
superseded by the FCC rules. So go buy yourself the latest rulebook or the
latest study guide published by W5YI (i.e. the Gordon West book).

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


Dee D. Flint October 11th 03 01:03 PM


"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:3NKhb.724345$YN5.647595@sccrnsc01...
TECH PLUS
The next step used to be called the "Technician Plus" class. This level
was eliminated as a separate operator class on April 15, 2000 -- but not
the privileges. A Technician Class operator who passes the 5
words-per-minute Morse code (Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy)
and 10-meter voice privileges in four long distance short-wave bands in
the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same as the Tech Plus operator did
previously but they do not get issued another license. Their
authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30 MHz is conferred by
the Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued by
the VE (examining) team.


"A Technician Class operator who passes the 5 words-per-minute Morse code
(Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy) and 10-meter voice privileges
in four long distance short-wave bands in the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same
as the Tech Plus operator did previously but they do not get issued another
license."

Which is what I have been stating and the FCC rules say. Techs who pass
5wpm do get some HF privilieges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE ARRL & W5YI


Dee D. Flint October 11th 03 01:03 PM


"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:3NKhb.724345$YN5.647595@sccrnsc01...
TECH PLUS
The next step used to be called the "Technician Plus" class. This level
was eliminated as a separate operator class on April 15, 2000 -- but not
the privileges. A Technician Class operator who passes the 5
words-per-minute Morse code (Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy)
and 10-meter voice privileges in four long distance short-wave bands in
the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same as the Tech Plus operator did
previously but they do not get issued another license. Their
authorization to operate on four CW bands below 30 MHz is conferred by
the Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued by
the VE (examining) team.


"A Technician Class operator who passes the 5 words-per-minute Morse code
(Element 1) exam still gets CW (telegraphy) and 10-meter voice privileges
in four long distance short-wave bands in the HF range (3-30 MHz), the same
as the Tech Plus operator did previously but they do not get issued another
license."

Which is what I have been stating and the FCC rules say. Techs who pass
5wpm do get some HF privilieges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE ARRL & W5YI


Dee D. Flint October 11th 03 01:32 PM


"MikeB" wrote in message
...


Ok! now how about the radio part of my original question??????


Sorry about the diversion! However it is quite important that a person be
rock solid on knowing what they do and do not have as privileges.

However to your questions.

[snip]
I know alot about electronics but nothing about amateur radio, nor do
I know anyone who does, so I hope this is the best newsgroup for info,
if not, let me know which group to ask my questions in!


I strongly recommend joining a local club and getting involved with them.
There should be plenty of people willing to help and even let you try out
their gear to get a feel for it. Also it is kind of nice to have someone
mentor you through your initial CW contacts. You should be able to find a
club by checking the ARRL website. If there appears to be nothing there,
use an internet search machine and type in the name of your nearest medium
to large city with the words amateur radio. For example, when I moved into
this area, I typed in Detroit area amateur radio and found a club in
the nearest suburb to where I lived.

I plan to start off with low-power CW and need to know what equipment
I'll need to get started. I searched the archives, but did not get
much solid info.


Minimum:
Radio, antenna, and straight key. The antenna will need to be matched
to the frequency on which you will be operating.

Optional
Multiband antenna with an antenna tuner, electronic keyer and paddle.

I plan on getting a basic "learning transceiver" off eBay to begin
with, then after I know what options I need and learn more, I'll get a
new one.


Unless you are an experienced eBay user, I would recommend joining a local
club and buying of a local club member or getting one of them to advise you
and buying at a local hamfest.

I've gotten good stuff off there BUT "It worked the last time I turned it
on" can also mean "before I dropped it down the basement stairs". eBay is
very much a buyer beware situation.

What features will I need to be able to start to do low-power CW, and
is there a preferred brand or model to look for?


Low power CW transceivers are often only single band with almost no
additional features. But they are simple and easy to use. I hear that MFJ
makes some good ones.

Actually, I recommend getting a used standard HF transceiver. You will have
a decent selection of features to try out and it will be ready to go as you
get more experience and when/if you decide to upgrade. It can be used for
the 10 meter voice & data modes that you will be eligible for as well as the
15m, 40m, and 80m CW privileges that you will have. Kenwood, Icom, and
Yeasu are all good brands. I would personally recommend something new
enough that it doesn't use vacuum tube finals as they require that you tune
up the radio itself before transmitting plus if you don't follow proper
procedures, you can easily damage those tubes. On the other hand, many new
people have started successfully with older tube type radios.

I can recommend the Kenwood TS-130 series, TS-140 series, TS-430 series,
TS-440 series among the older, out of production radios. Also a nice
current production radio that you should be able to easily find used at a
reasonable price is the Kenwood TS-50 mobile transceiver. These should all
be available at reasonable prices. I'm not as familiar with Icom or Yeasu
but they made similar radios. There was a Yeasu 757 series (I think) and a
767 series that were both well thought of.

Again I recommend finding a club and getting the help of an experienced ham.
Plus in a club there will be different people personally experienced with
radios from different makers and you will have the opportunity to try some
of them out. Most hams are friendly people and will gladly help you learn
about equipment (and show off their own!).

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee D. Flint October 11th 03 01:32 PM


"MikeB" wrote in message
...


Ok! now how about the radio part of my original question??????


Sorry about the diversion! However it is quite important that a person be
rock solid on knowing what they do and do not have as privileges.

However to your questions.

[snip]
I know alot about electronics but nothing about amateur radio, nor do
I know anyone who does, so I hope this is the best newsgroup for info,
if not, let me know which group to ask my questions in!


I strongly recommend joining a local club and getting involved with them.
There should be plenty of people willing to help and even let you try out
their gear to get a feel for it. Also it is kind of nice to have someone
mentor you through your initial CW contacts. You should be able to find a
club by checking the ARRL website. If there appears to be nothing there,
use an internet search machine and type in the name of your nearest medium
to large city with the words amateur radio. For example, when I moved into
this area, I typed in Detroit area amateur radio and found a club in
the nearest suburb to where I lived.

I plan to start off with low-power CW and need to know what equipment
I'll need to get started. I searched the archives, but did not get
much solid info.


Minimum:
Radio, antenna, and straight key. The antenna will need to be matched
to the frequency on which you will be operating.

Optional
Multiband antenna with an antenna tuner, electronic keyer and paddle.

I plan on getting a basic "learning transceiver" off eBay to begin
with, then after I know what options I need and learn more, I'll get a
new one.


Unless you are an experienced eBay user, I would recommend joining a local
club and buying of a local club member or getting one of them to advise you
and buying at a local hamfest.

I've gotten good stuff off there BUT "It worked the last time I turned it
on" can also mean "before I dropped it down the basement stairs". eBay is
very much a buyer beware situation.

What features will I need to be able to start to do low-power CW, and
is there a preferred brand or model to look for?


Low power CW transceivers are often only single band with almost no
additional features. But they are simple and easy to use. I hear that MFJ
makes some good ones.

Actually, I recommend getting a used standard HF transceiver. You will have
a decent selection of features to try out and it will be ready to go as you
get more experience and when/if you decide to upgrade. It can be used for
the 10 meter voice & data modes that you will be eligible for as well as the
15m, 40m, and 80m CW privileges that you will have. Kenwood, Icom, and
Yeasu are all good brands. I would personally recommend something new
enough that it doesn't use vacuum tube finals as they require that you tune
up the radio itself before transmitting plus if you don't follow proper
procedures, you can easily damage those tubes. On the other hand, many new
people have started successfully with older tube type radios.

I can recommend the Kenwood TS-130 series, TS-140 series, TS-430 series,
TS-440 series among the older, out of production radios. Also a nice
current production radio that you should be able to easily find used at a
reasonable price is the Kenwood TS-50 mobile transceiver. These should all
be available at reasonable prices. I'm not as familiar with Icom or Yeasu
but they made similar radios. There was a Yeasu 757 series (I think) and a
767 series that were both well thought of.

Again I recommend finding a club and getting the help of an experienced ham.
Plus in a club there will be different people personally experienced with
radios from different makers and you will have the opportunity to try some
of them out. Most hams are friendly people and will gladly help you learn
about equipment (and show off their own!).

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dan/W4NTI October 11th 03 04:52 PM


"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uKKhb.724332$YN5.647633@sccrnsc01...
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."


Technicians

who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO



Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any Technician

who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your

source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This is from the W5YI website.

http://www.w5yi.org/AmRadio.htm#TECHNICIAN

TECHNICIAN

Almost all radioamateurs begin their ham career as a "Tech." The
privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands
above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts power. It also allows access to
the two most popular ham bands, 2 meters and 70 cm ...otherwise known as
"450" (MHz.). To pass the Technician Class examination, at least 26
multiple choice questions from a 35 question written examination must be
answered correctly.

There are a total of 384 possible questions in the pool from which these
35 questions are drawn. All questions in the various question banks are
known and widely published. There are no secret questions. The
Technician Class is the most popular license with about one-third of all
radioamateurs holding this license class. You will find Technician
study materials here and here


"Channels" ??

Dan/W4NTI



Dan/W4NTI October 11th 03 04:52 PM


"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uKKhb.724332$YN5.647633@sccrnsc01...
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Frank K3EKO" wrote in message
news:uqKhb.724221$YN5.646872@sccrnsc01...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


And after restructuring. Since I am teaching a class, I have read the
current FCC rules and the current ARRL "Now You're Talking."


Technicians

who pass a 5wpm code test get the old Tech+/Novice HF privileges.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI


This arguement is pointless. You can't talk to a brick wall. I'm done
here.

73

Frank K3EKO



Paragraph 97.301(e) clearly lists the HF privileges for any Technician

who
has passed the 5wpm code test.

So the brick wall is you and you have yet to state where you get your

source
of information. It certainly is not the FCC rules.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
VE for ARRL and W5YI

This is from the W5YI website.

http://www.w5yi.org/AmRadio.htm#TECHNICIAN

TECHNICIAN

Almost all radioamateurs begin their ham career as a "Tech." The
privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating
stations while transmitting on channels in any of 17 frequency bands
above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts power. It also allows access to
the two most popular ham bands, 2 meters and 70 cm ...otherwise known as
"450" (MHz.). To pass the Technician Class examination, at least 26
multiple choice questions from a 35 question written examination must be
answered correctly.

There are a total of 384 possible questions in the pool from which these
35 questions are drawn. All questions in the various question banks are
known and widely published. There are no secret questions. The
Technician Class is the most popular license with about one-third of all
radioamateurs holding this license class. You will find Technician
study materials here and here


"Channels" ??

Dan/W4NTI



MikeB October 13th 03 12:13 AM




Mike it is correct. Take the tests and good luck! Welcome to ham radio!
You'll read posts from a few knoblicks here, ignore them.

Welcome to the hobby/service!


Thanks!




MikeB October 13th 03 12:13 AM




Mike it is correct. Take the tests and good luck! Welcome to ham radio!
You'll read posts from a few knoblicks here, ignore them.

Welcome to the hobby/service!


Thanks!




Bert October 13th 03 12:15 AM


I strongly recommend joining a local club and getting involved with them.
There should be plenty of people willing to help and even let you try out
their gear to get a feel for it. Also it is kind of nice to have someone
mentor you through your initial CW contacts. You should be able to find a
club by checking the ARRL website. If there appears to be nothing there,
use an internet search machine and type in the name of your nearest medium
to large city with the words amateur radio. For example, when I moved into
this area, I typed in Detroit area amateur radio and found a club in
the nearest suburb to where I lived.


I plan to start off with low-power CW and need to know what equipment
I'll need to get started. I searched the archives, but did not get
much solid info.



Minimum:
Radio, antenna, and straight key. The antenna will need to be matched
to the frequency on which you will be operating.

Optional
Multiband antenna with an antenna tuner, electronic keyer and paddle.


I plan on getting a basic "learning transceiver" off eBay to begin
with, then after I know what options I need and learn more, I'll get a
new one.



Unless you are an experienced eBay user, I would recommend joining a local
club and buying of a local club member or getting one of them to advise you
and buying at a local hamfest.

I've gotten good stuff off there BUT "It worked the last time I turned it
on" can also mean "before I dropped it down the basement stairs". eBay is
very much a buyer beware situation.


What features will I need to be able to start to do low-power CW, and
is there a preferred brand or model to look for?



Low power CW transceivers are often only single band with almost no
additional features. But they are simple and easy to use. I hear that MFJ
makes some good ones.

Actually, I recommend getting a used standard HF transceiver. You will have
a decent selection of features to try out and it will be ready to go as you
get more experience and when/if you decide to upgrade. It can be used for
the 10 meter voice & data modes that you will be eligible for as well as the
15m, 40m, and 80m CW privileges that you will have. Kenwood, Icom, and
Yeasu are all good brands. I would personally recommend something new
enough that it doesn't use vacuum tube finals as they require that you tune
up the radio itself before transmitting plus if you don't follow proper
procedures, you can easily damage those tubes. On the other hand, many new
people have started successfully with older tube type radios.

I can recommend the Kenwood TS-130 series, TS-140 series, TS-430 series,
TS-440 series among the older, out of production radios. Also a nice
current production radio that you should be able to easily find used at a
reasonable price is the Kenwood TS-50 mobile transceiver. These should all
be available at reasonable prices. I'm not as familiar with Icom or Yeasu
but they made similar radios. There was a Yeasu 757 series (I think) and a
767 series that were both well thought of.

Again I recommend finding a club and getting the help of an experienced ham.
Plus in a club there will be different people personally experienced with
radios from different makers and you will have the opportunity to try some
of them out. Most hams are friendly people and will gladly help you learn
about equipment (and show off their own!).

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



You suggestions make alot of sense. I'll look for a halfway decient rig
to get started.

MikeB


Bert October 13th 03 12:15 AM


I strongly recommend joining a local club and getting involved with them.
There should be plenty of people willing to help and even let you try out
their gear to get a feel for it. Also it is kind of nice to have someone
mentor you through your initial CW contacts. You should be able to find a
club by checking the ARRL website. If there appears to be nothing there,
use an internet search machine and type in the name of your nearest medium
to large city with the words amateur radio. For example, when I moved into
this area, I typed in Detroit area amateur radio and found a club in
the nearest suburb to where I lived.


I plan to start off with low-power CW and need to know what equipment
I'll need to get started. I searched the archives, but did not get
much solid info.



Minimum:
Radio, antenna, and straight key. The antenna will need to be matched
to the frequency on which you will be operating.

Optional
Multiband antenna with an antenna tuner, electronic keyer and paddle.


I plan on getting a basic "learning transceiver" off eBay to begin
with, then after I know what options I need and learn more, I'll get a
new one.



Unless you are an experienced eBay user, I would recommend joining a local
club and buying of a local club member or getting one of them to advise you
and buying at a local hamfest.

I've gotten good stuff off there BUT "It worked the last time I turned it
on" can also mean "before I dropped it down the basement stairs". eBay is
very much a buyer beware situation.


What features will I need to be able to start to do low-power CW, and
is there a preferred brand or model to look for?



Low power CW transceivers are often only single band with almost no
additional features. But they are simple and easy to use. I hear that MFJ
makes some good ones.

Actually, I recommend getting a used standard HF transceiver. You will have
a decent selection of features to try out and it will be ready to go as you
get more experience and when/if you decide to upgrade. It can be used for
the 10 meter voice & data modes that you will be eligible for as well as the
15m, 40m, and 80m CW privileges that you will have. Kenwood, Icom, and
Yeasu are all good brands. I would personally recommend something new
enough that it doesn't use vacuum tube finals as they require that you tune
up the radio itself before transmitting plus if you don't follow proper
procedures, you can easily damage those tubes. On the other hand, many new
people have started successfully with older tube type radios.

I can recommend the Kenwood TS-130 series, TS-140 series, TS-430 series,
TS-440 series among the older, out of production radios. Also a nice
current production radio that you should be able to easily find used at a
reasonable price is the Kenwood TS-50 mobile transceiver. These should all
be available at reasonable prices. I'm not as familiar with Icom or Yeasu
but they made similar radios. There was a Yeasu 757 series (I think) and a
767 series that were both well thought of.

Again I recommend finding a club and getting the help of an experienced ham.
Plus in a club there will be different people personally experienced with
radios from different makers and you will have the opportunity to try some
of them out. Most hams are friendly people and will gladly help you learn
about equipment (and show off their own!).

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



You suggestions make alot of sense. I'll look for a halfway decient rig
to get started.

MikeB


Dee D. Flint October 13th 03 12:36 AM


"MikeB" wrote in message
...



Mike it is correct. Take the tests and good luck! Welcome to ham radio!
You'll read posts from a few knoblicks here, ignore them.

Welcome to the hobby/service!


Thanks!



Let us know when you get your call sign. Be happy to work you on the bands.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee D. Flint October 13th 03 12:36 AM


"MikeB" wrote in message
...



Mike it is correct. Take the tests and good luck! Welcome to ham radio!
You'll read posts from a few knoblicks here, ignore them.

Welcome to the hobby/service!


Thanks!



Let us know when you get your call sign. Be happy to work you on the bands.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Steve Silverwood October 13th 03 07:55 AM

In article ,
says...
I am taking the Tech+ test soon and have some equipment-related
questions.

I know alot about electronics but nothing about amateur radio, nor do
I know anyone who does, so I hope this is the best newsgroup for info,
if not, let me know which group to ask my questions in!

I plan to start off with low-power CW and need to know what equipment
I'll need to get started. I searched the archives, but did not get
much solid info.

I plan on getting a basic "learning transceiver" off eBay to begin
with, then after I know what options I need and learn more, I'll get a
new one.

What features will I need to be able to start to do low-power CW, and
is there a preferred brand or model to look for?


Low-power operation is referred to in the amateur radio lexicon as
"QRP." If you search on that keyword in Google or Yahoo, you'll find
that there are many different options available to you in that category.

You could purchase a QRP CW transceiver such as the Heathkit HW-8 or HW-
9. They're easy to operate, fairly low-tech. But they are capable of
operating CW and ONLY CW. If you get the itch to move on to SSB or
digital modes, you'll need a different radio. Also, it's ONLY able to
operate on HF, so if you decide you want to work some of the VHF or UHF
bands, it won't go there.

Your best bet would be to get a transceiver that can accomodate multiple
modes. My first rig was a Kenwood TS-520, a very forgiving radio that
offered CW and SSB operation on the 80, 40, 20, 15 and 10 meter bands.
It was all solid-state except for the final amplifier, which used tubes.
You can find these on the used market nowadays for under $200 in decent
condition. It operates at around 100 watts, but can be cranked down to
very low power levels if you need to. (One of the rules in Amateur
Radio is to use only the power output necessary to carry on the contact,
and 100 watts is often overkill.)

My personal preference these days is the Yaesu FT-817 transceiver. It
only puts out five watts, but it supports operation on all of the HF
bands, plus 6m, 2m and 70cm. It also provides a general-coverage
receiver for HF, plus receives (but won't transmit on) public-safety
VHF-hi communications, the FM broadcast band, and the VHF aircraft band.
With a device like a RigBlaster and just about any present-day computer,
you can also operate just about any digital mode with the '817.

(Obviously I'm a big fan of the 817! There's also the FT-857 if you
want to have a little more power on tap if needed.)

Hope that helps.

--

-- //Steve//

Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
Email:

Web:
http://home.earthlink.net/~kb6ojs_steve

Steve Silverwood October 13th 03 07:55 AM

In article ,
says...
I am taking the Tech+ test soon and have some equipment-related
questions.

I know alot about electronics but nothing about amateur radio, nor do
I know anyone who does, so I hope this is the best newsgroup for info,
if not, let me know which group to ask my questions in!

I plan to start off with low-power CW and need to know what equipment
I'll need to get started. I searched the archives, but did not get
much solid info.

I plan on getting a basic "learning transceiver" off eBay to begin
with, then after I know what options I need and learn more, I'll get a
new one.

What features will I need to be able to start to do low-power CW, and
is there a preferred brand or model to look for?


Low-power operation is referred to in the amateur radio lexicon as
"QRP." If you search on that keyword in Google or Yahoo, you'll find
that there are many different options available to you in that category.

You could purchase a QRP CW transceiver such as the Heathkit HW-8 or HW-
9. They're easy to operate, fairly low-tech. But they are capable of
operating CW and ONLY CW. If you get the itch to move on to SSB or
digital modes, you'll need a different radio. Also, it's ONLY able to
operate on HF, so if you decide you want to work some of the VHF or UHF
bands, it won't go there.

Your best bet would be to get a transceiver that can accomodate multiple
modes. My first rig was a Kenwood TS-520, a very forgiving radio that
offered CW and SSB operation on the 80, 40, 20, 15 and 10 meter bands.
It was all solid-state except for the final amplifier, which used tubes.
You can find these on the used market nowadays for under $200 in decent
condition. It operates at around 100 watts, but can be cranked down to
very low power levels if you need to. (One of the rules in Amateur
Radio is to use only the power output necessary to carry on the contact,
and 100 watts is often overkill.)

My personal preference these days is the Yaesu FT-817 transceiver. It
only puts out five watts, but it supports operation on all of the HF
bands, plus 6m, 2m and 70cm. It also provides a general-coverage
receiver for HF, plus receives (but won't transmit on) public-safety
VHF-hi communications, the FM broadcast band, and the VHF aircraft band.
With a device like a RigBlaster and just about any present-day computer,
you can also operate just about any digital mode with the '817.

(Obviously I'm a big fan of the 817! There's also the FT-857 if you
want to have a little more power on tap if needed.)

Hope that helps.

--

-- //Steve//

Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
Email:

Web:
http://home.earthlink.net/~kb6ojs_steve

MikeB October 13th 03 10:22 PM


I plan on getting a basic "learning transceiver" off eBay to begin
with, then after I know what options I need and learn more, I'll get a
new one.

What features will I need to be able to start to do low-power CW, and
is there a preferred brand or model to look for?



Low-power operation is referred to in the amateur radio lexicon as
"QRP." If you search on that keyword in Google or Yahoo, you'll find
that there are many different options available to you in that category.

You could purchase a QRP CW transceiver such as the Heathkit HW-8 or HW-
9. They're easy to operate, fairly low-tech. But they are capable of
operating CW and ONLY CW. If you get the itch to move on to SSB or
digital modes, you'll need a different radio. Also, it's ONLY able to
operate on HF, so if you decide you want to work some of the VHF or UHF
bands, it won't go there.

Your best bet would be to get a transceiver that can accomodate multiple
modes. My first rig was a Kenwood TS-520, a very forgiving radio that
offered CW and SSB operation on the 80, 40, 20, 15 and 10 meter bands.
It was all solid-state except for the final amplifier, which used tubes.
You can find these on the used market nowadays for under $200 in decent
condition. It operates at around 100 watts, but can be cranked down to
very low power levels if you need to. (One of the rules in Amateur
Radio is to use only the power output necessary to carry on the contact,
and 100 watts is often overkill.)

My personal preference these days is the Yaesu FT-817 transceiver. It
only puts out five watts, but it supports operation on all of the HF
bands, plus 6m, 2m and 70cm. It also provides a general-coverage
receiver for HF, plus receives (but won't transmit on) public-safety
VHF-hi communications, the FM broadcast band, and the VHF aircraft band.
With a device like a RigBlaster and just about any present-day computer,
you can also operate just about any digital mode with the '817.

(Obviously I'm a big fan of the 817! There's also the FT-857 if you
want to have a little more power on tap if needed.)

Hope that helps.



Thanks for the info, I'll check out those models also.

I will probably be trying out all modes of operation on all bands
eventually, as I learn more, so how many watts of output power will I
need for most contacts? I don't want to start out undersized!

Also, does anyone know of a website that has side-by-side compairsons of
rigs?

Thanks,
MikeB



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