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Nearly all Target stores use 155.955Mhz with an 179.9 CTCSS tone.
Many McDonalds still operate on 154.600Mhz with an 82.5 CTCSS tone, although some have migrated to 457 or 469Mhz UHF. Output is commonly on 35.020Mhz. Burger King often uses 154.540Mhz with an 88.5 CTCSS. Output is commonly 33.400Mhz. Taco Bell commonly uses 151.895Mhz with an 88.5 CTCSS. Output is commonly on 33.400. For best results, use a scanner to monitor the output frequency. Make sure there is sufficient space between your transmitting and receiving (scanner) antennas so as to prevent bleedthrough from the transmitter when monitoring the output. This way, you will hear exactly what the clerk hears and know precisely how well you are getting into the system. Modified dual-band ham transceivers are excellent for this type of work. Business band radios that are user-programmable "on-the-fly" (no programming software required) are a close second. Coming up in our next episode: Crossbanding between fast-food restaurants...or "Hearing Burger King customers order Nacho Chalupas while Taco Bell patrons express their desire for Whoppers!" |
In article , "Eddie Haskel"
writes: These headsets are NO LICENSE part 15 devices. Read the laws on part 15. It says that the end user MUST ACCEPT any and all interferance to the part 15 device PERIOD. They have no guard band, no protection (no frequency co-ordination) against other users on 154.57 and 154.600. What Booger-King sees as malious, might be acceptable on MURS 4 and 5. Do we know for sure which frequency was being used? Most Burger Kings do not use 154.570/154.600. The ones I have monitored use a customer input frequency of 154.540. This is a licensed business band frequency, NOT a no-license MURS frequency. Other common fast food inputs are 154.515 and 151.895. These are also licensed business band frequencies. |
Damn...and all the burger joints around here are still on 33-40MHz....
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:23:59 -0500, "kiebassa 20" wrote: from: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...atestheadlines Burger King (drive-thru) customers told: 'You are Too Fat to have a Whopper' Police believe teenage pranksters are hacking into the wireless frequency of a US Burger King drive-through speaker to tell potential customers they are too fat for fast food. Policeman Gerry Scherlink said the pranksters told one customer who had just placed an order: "You don't need a couple of Whoppers. You are too fat. Pull ahead." The offenders are reportedly tapping into the wireless frequency at the restaurant in Troy, Michigan. Police believe the culprits are watching and broadcasting from close range. Officer Scherlinck said the men are telling customers who order a Coca-Cola that, "We don't have Coke." And when the customer asks what they do have, the hacker would say: "We don't have anything. Pull ahead." But what has managers concerned is the profanity the hackers are using, according to police. A drive-through customer has told police if he had children with him in the car and someone used profanity, he would have been upset. Burger King franchise owner Tony Versace issued the following statement in response to the incidents: "We apologise to our customers who've been insulted by the use of this drive-through speaker." Management at the fast-food restaurant are reportedly trying to change the radio frequency used for the (drive thru) speakers. See also: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2750963/detail.html and: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2749445/detail.html |
"Dave Hall" wrote:
If I was standing on the street, and you walked up to me, are you not permitted to make whatever comment you see fit? There is this thing called the 1st amendment...... So why should it be any different through a radio? (snip) There are limits to free speech, Dave. In this case, the answer would be no if the comments were slanderous, defamatory, racist, or done in a threatening or harassing manner. Making unwelcomed comments about a person's appearence (especially when transmitted over the public airways) could be considered harassment, and I doubt the First Amendment would protect such actions. That depends. If the business was employing FCC part 15 radio gear, then they can expect no protection from interference. (snip) That addresses normal interference, not the intentional act of malicious interference. Malicious interference is a violation of FCC rules. And, in case you're wondering, the First Amendment would not protect a person here either - the person would not be charged for what was said, but for doing so in a manner (using equipment, etc) which violates FCC rules. Maybe. I guess it all depends on the level of malice and the effect that the disruptions had. From what I've heard, the interference consisted mostly of random insulting comments, and not necessarily jamming of the system in a way that would prevent it from working. This brings another issue into question. Some states have laws to protect the normal operations of a business - to prevent malicious interference with that. It is also possible these laws, if available, might come into play here. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
In article , "w4jle" W4JLE(remove this to
writes: Courtesy of the local high power CB'er. The problem became so bad that the FCC allowed local enforcement. The recent legislation allowing local LEOs to prosecute illegal behavior ONLY applies to CB radio operators. At the request of the ARRL and other ham radio groups, it was specifically written to NOT apply to business band, hams, etc. Therefore, this would not apply here. |
In article , Dave Hall
writes: I don't know all the pertinent details of this issue. But it's also possible that the "drive thru" system which was "hacked" ( I hate using computer terms to describe radio actions) was on the older 154 Mhz frequency band. One of those drive thru frequencies, in common use in my area, is now part of the MURS allocation. Since MURS radios are legal to be used, the only possible infraction that the FCC could bring in this case, would be deliberate interference. Only true if Burger King was using a MURS frequency, which I doubt. All the Burger Kings I have found (those which have not yet migrated to 900Mhz) are on 154.515 or 154.540Mhz. Neither of these are MURS frequencies. Both are licensed business radio service frequencies. |
"Dinque Dau" wrote: Aw, come on. Lighten up. This thread is about frequencies used by fast food establishments and "what if". Leave it to a couple of guys to take it to the next "what if" level, i.e. legal repercussions and ensuing arguments between egos. Give it a rest, guys. I've been reading this thread since the very beginning and issues of legality were raised very early in the discussion. And, as far as I can see, our discussion of the legal issues does not hinder your ability to discuss whatever you want about this situation. So I have to respond with a request for you to "lighten up" - you discuss what you want and we'll do the same. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
Please do provide proof of this.
"Ewie" wrote in message ... "SouthDakotaRadio" wrote in message ... In article , "w4jle" W4JLE(remove this to writes: Courtesy of the local high power CB'er. The problem became so bad that the FCC allowed local enforcement. The recent legislation allowing local LEOs to prosecute illegal behavior ONLY applies to CB radio operators. At the request of the ARRL and other ham radio groups, it was specifically written to NOT apply to business band, hams, etc. Therefore, this would not apply here. BZZZZZZZZT! Wrong! Applies to ham radio operators, business band, and ALL radio operations. LEOs can jack up ham radio ops in a heartbeat! Ewie |
"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message . .. Blow me Roger...silly back yard lawyer. Send everything you see on usenet to the FBI. Class(or in your case classless clown) I always report a crime, or a person instigating commission of a crime. It is my duty as a member of the militia, and as a citizen of the US. Your response is typical of what I would expect from the inmates of a prison. I'm sure you can explain it to a Judge! |
your full of crap Roger....i'm not intimidated by your "threats" you fossil.
go play with others that might be frightened by you. *I* have no reason to fear you in the least :) You just annoy people..kinda like a pimple on one's ass. "Roger Gt" wrote in message m... "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message . .. Blow me Roger...silly back yard lawyer. Send everything you see on usenet to the FBI. Class(or in your case classless clown) I always report a crime, or a person instigating commission of a crime. It is my duty as a member of the militia, and as a citizen of the US. Your response is typical of what I would expect from the inmates of a prison. I'm sure you can explain it to a Judge! |
"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message m... your full of crap Roger....i'm not intimidated by your "threats" you fossil. go play with others that might be frightened by you. *I* have no reason to fear you in the least :) You just annoy people..kinda like a pimple on one's ass. "Roger Gt" wrote in message m... "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message . .. Blow me Roger...silly back yard lawyer. Send everything you see on usenet to the FBI. Class(or in your case classless clown) I always report a crime, or a person instigating commission of a crime. It is my duty as a member of the militia, and as a citizen of the US. Your response is typical of what I would expect from the inmates of a prison. I'm sure you can explain it to a Judge! I made no threat, and did not try to frighten. Always remember an individual is allways responsible for the effects of what they say in public. Your continued responses will also be forwarded to the FBI, showing a total lack of concern for the law! Have a nice day! Cheers! |
"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message m... snipped the BS You actually expect ME to go away? Sorry! But the venom in the response said I hit a nerve! You must have something to hide! |
Hit a nerve? yeah...I'm sick and tired of you old duffers that brag about
what they did 50 years ago.If your looking for praise, keep looking. You went out with cloth covered wires and downdraft carburators. I don't have a damn thing to hide, including your stupid bragging, and what your going to send to the FBI. Roger..your a has been, old news, tolerated because we have to (to some extent).You have nothing *GOOD* to share, no information to exchange except your poor demo of dominance.I don't want to hear from an old duffer like you. Times have changed, step into the 21st century. Your still driving a '53 bel-air and watching a Muntz TV. Your nothing more than a pimple on ones ass there Roger, squeeze your head and your gone. No go watch the neighbors Mr. militia man, call the FBI daily and live in the past. Oh yeah....I hear Walgreens has "Depends" on sale and that they are the supersize...hold over 2 pounds of crap! sounds like it fits the bill for you since you try to sling it (like monkeys do)...sleep well there Roger, sleep long..sleep all day you old buzzard....Eddie "Roger Gt" wrote in message m... "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message m... snipped the BS You actually expect ME to go away? Sorry! But the venom in the response said I hit a nerve! You must have something to hide! |
"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message ... Hit a nerve? yeah... Thanks for the confirmation. |
"Eddie Haskel" wrote : (snippage) Oh yeah....I hear Walgreens has "Depends" on sale and that they | are the supersize...hold over 2 pounds of crap! Cool! He won't have to leave his bunker! 73, S.L. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 1/13/04 |
Hey Mr. Goodie two Shoes.....heres a *HOT* tip...go screw with the people in
ALT.DSS.HACK. those *******s are ripping off satellite TV! and showing each other how to do it! This one is right up your alley Kojack! tell them your going to dime them off to the FBI. And go hit the bathroom..your bag is leaking and you smell bad Roger....your friend Eddie "Roger Gt" wrote in message m... "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message ... Hit a nerve? yeah... Thanks for the confirmation. |
"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message m... Hey Mr. Goodie two Shoes.....heres a *HOT* tip...go screw with the people in ALT.DSS.HACK. those *******s are ripping off satellite TV! and showing each other how to do it! This one is right up your alley Kojack! tell them your going to dime them off to the FBI. And go hit the bathroom..your bag is leaking and you smell bad Roger....your friend Eddie "Roger Gt" wrote in message m... "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message ... Hit a nerve? yeah... Thanks for the confirmation. You really need to calm down, you'll have a stroke! With concern Roger |
NOW you have done it! Roger is dribbling in his depends. You have flared up
his rampant case of IBS and he is going to forward your post to the FBI as soon as he wakes from his nap....Eddie "OU812" wrote in message ... "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message ... For what it's worth, intercepting the radio at drive thru eateries is NOT new. I remember it going on over 7 years ago. For the most part it's a frickin riot! Carl's Jr. implimented a company directive to dispatch ALL non-essential employees to the parking lot ASAP when an "attack" occured. They were directed to look for vehicles with *BIG ANTENNAS* on them and demand ID from the occupants. Now from what *I* remember...1/4 wave antennas on 467Mhz are 5.75" and 154.570 are about 18"...HARDLY big antennas. The *LAST* thing I'm going to do is co-operate with some goomber's request to ID myself at a fast-food place, more likely to shoot him. When the RF pranksters hit, the back door looked more like someone had called the I.N.S. hahahaha. For all the times I ordered a burger with no sauce and got extra sauce, for the times I ordered chicken McNuggets and got some other crap this is VERY funny revenge. Try listening to these dumb-****s on thier "talk-around" channel..this is where they chat among themselves and NOT the window. Comments like " check out that piece of **** he is driving" or "that woman is a real beefarillo".It's like a teen-age partyline. The fools don't realize that people DO listen to their channel, mostly in disbelief. The management could listen and see whats going on, if they do it's apparant that they don't really care. Places that run a "tight ship" really show, no screwing around, orders get filled fast and RIGHT. The ones that are run by "Bozos" will be treated like "Bozos". If they are clowning around, why not the pranksters? Some tips to getting away with RF pranking...... HIDE THE TRANSCEIVER...put it in a bag or jacket pocket. USE A REMOTE MIKE...keep mike in the palm of your hand out of sight. SIT IN NEIGHBORING BIZ....they won't go into another place to look for you in there. USE HEADPHONES IF OUTDOORS....make it look like your listening to a walkman. RUN MAX POWER...high power(5-25 watts) causes the signal to bounce off all kinds of ****. Damn near impossible to get a direction unless the hunter has a damn good attenuator and a shielded RCVR. they will be chasing their tail. TELL THEM WHY THEY ARE GETTING TRASHED...this is important, tell them your tired of getting **** and not your order, or it's cold when you get it, or the place is a pig-stye. People just don't "attack" because of no reason, your doing them because you dont like the place for one reason or another. The owner might take notice and correct the wrong-doings!! Would'nt you if it was your KFC or Taco-Bell? You are right. This is nothing new but it is still fun. For a twist on this, I once discovered that the local Baptist Church had purchased several VHF HT's that worked on 154.570 and had no PLs. They would station two volunteers in the parking lot during services to act as security guards and the Pastor had another rig to keep in touch with the outside men. Now, just for conversation sake, what if a certain somebody played an adult-type .wav file over the frequency? The Pastor scrambled for his radio to shut it off and for a while actually thought one of his own men was playing the sounds. They stopped using the radios shortly after. And then there are those popular baby monitors that new parents like to place in the kids' room. They don't realize that these low power units transmit 24/7 and further, mom and dad don't realize that their love making can also be transmitted. All it takes is for one enterprising person to pick up the mic on a modified radio and say, "Hey, Dad! Stop hurting my mom!" Poor dad can quickly lose his erection and the rest of the night is shot. There are many other possibilities and your imagination is the limit. You don't spose the FBI will be interested in someone who transmits on baby monitor frequencies, do you? Roger says they are....and Roger is gonna forward these posts to Elliot Ness. I will now live in fear of wannabe cop Roger for the rest of my days. |
"OU812" wrote in message "Roger Gt" wrote in message "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message snip "Roger Gt" wrote in message "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message snipped profanity "Roger Gt" wrote in message I always report a crime, or a person instigating commission of a crime. It is my duty as a member of the militia, and as a citizen of the US. snip I made no threat, and did not try to frighten. Always remember an individual is allways responsible for the effects of what they say in public. Your continued responses will also be forwarded to the FBI, showing a total lack of concern for the law! Have a nice day! Cheers! Yeah...like the FBI cares what you have to say. You're just another crank, nothing more, nothing less. Received confirmation of the FBI receiving the message, and a nice letter congratulating my alertness! Have a nice Day! Don't propose breaking any laws though, someone might be watching! |
Yeah..right there Roger..your quite the ****ing "Gumshoe". Well listen up
there "Block-captain" you provided (supposedly) the FBI with ZERO intelligence...you overaged, failing bladder, **** in your pants old fart. Go try to impress the 13 year olds on AOL. Maybe there you can be a "COP". Your getting stale, your bag is leaking down your leg. Your not in ANY kind of Militia, your not anything but a tired old man with nothing better to do that hide behind your keyboard and try to impress us with your goody-two-shoes acts of internet policing. You might frighten the kids, or MAYBE even the people on WEB-TV. I *KNOW* your nothing more than a loser, probably living in a retirement home or trailer. The only "GT" you are familiar with is the one on the back of your electric wheelchair. Remember to at least put your teeth in before calling the FBI and whining. It makes to poor employee that has to actually listen to you spent a little less time with you. The funny part is this, when you bitch to the GOV'T *YOUR* the one that gets checked out first! I'm sure your labeled as a crank in their files by now. At your age there Roger (see fossil) you should really concern yourself with enjoying what little time you have left on this fine earth, and focus on that instead. Your 65 years (very) old.You have maybe 5-7 years of productive life left. Try searching the internet for fun/exciting things to occupy your time and leave the "police" detail to the able ones. I'm amused at just how stupid you can be.Your not intelligent in the least, I'm certain you live alone because no woman in her right mind with put up with a worthless **** like you. Your still living in the past (ex military druid I'm sure) and thats all you got. You bring up the "Militia" like thats impressive? Thats nothing more than a $75 a week job. go away...i'm busy looking for this summers vacation on the other machine...either the Carribean or Hawaii again...Aruba might be a nice change. Make sure you have the FBI contact me before I leave for 2 weeks. That way me and the wife can laugh about you on the way there....Eddie. "Roger Gt" wrote in message om... "Roger Gt" wrote in message I always makeup a crime, or a person instigating commission of a crime.I have nothing else to do.My cable TV has been shut off and I had my drivers license revolked. It is my duty as a retired member of the militia,(see loser) and as a citizen of the US. I made no threat, and did not try to frighten.(yeah right) Always remember an individual is always responsible for the effects of what they say in public. Your continued responses will also be forwarded to the FBI, showing a total lack of fear for Roger Gt Have a nice day! Cheers (thats classy hahaha) Received confirmation of the FBI receiving the message, and a nice letter congratulating my wasting of official government time! Have a nice Day! Don't propose breaking any laws though, Roger Gt might be watching! There are dozens of people who monitor the Internet (jerks like me) for anything looking like a threat. I just was willing to inform someone it is not wise. But I also did my duty to provide the FBI with little intelligence. If you do not propose a crime, or support the commission of a crime, there is nothing to worry about. You are unlikely to show up in a pattern match search for more attention.( like he is some kind of authority) If I'm a cranky old ****, so be it! But I'm good company! Always looking for potential problems is the prize of being Roger Gt! Sleep well, your being whined over! PS: Yea - I get it. But I'm being a jerk! |
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:17:17 GMT, "Eddie Haskel"
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell: Yeah..right there Roger..your quite the ****ing "Gumshoe". Well listen up there "Block-captain" you provided (supposedly) the FBI with ZERO You are both idiots, and should be made into soap and candle wax. -- V.G. "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it is easier to harrass rich women than it is motorcycle gangs." - Bumper Sticker (This sig file contains not less than 80% recycled SPAM) Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield. |
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Dave Hall wrote:
Local Law enforcement can charge them with "Malicious mischief" or other related infractions due to the intervention of these transmissions with the operation of someone else's business. That depends. If the business was employing FCC part 15 radio gear, then they can expect no protection from interference. People tried running businesses on CB radio years ago, and those same people had to deal with the traffic from other users, much of which could be considered "disruptive" You will find that these radio-links to the ordering menu microphone back to the food establishment are NOT part 15 but do have low power business licenses issued for exclusive allocations. Obviously, you haven't bothered to take the time to even research the truth of the situation. court issued restraining order prohibiting them from operating a radio within range of any commercial operation for the purpose of disrupting the normal operation of that business. It is done all the time with Loiters and other disruptive acts! Maybe. I guess it all depends on the level of malice and the effect that the disruptions had. From what I've heard, the interference consisted mostly of random insulting comments, and not necessarily jamming of the system in a way that would prevent it from working. Don't guess. LEARN the facts first. |
In article , "Rodney" writes:
Yes indeed! An "enterprising ham" (or anybody else) with a Yaesu Ft-2400, FT-2500, or even the dual banders can clip a wire, desolder a jumper and be good to go up to and above 164 mhz. 164? That's nothin! Alinco handhelds go all the way to 174. For instance. It is all too easy to modify one of these rigs to transmit on 154, 155, or higher freqs. All one needs is an antenna that handles these frequencies without causing the protection circuit to dump the radio. A Rad Shack discone is one such antenna.... Better yet: an antenna cut to resonance. Since 154Mhz is a popular business frequency, antennas designed to transmit here are inexpensive and easy-to-find. |
In article , "W4JLE" w4jle(remove to
writes: While amateur equipment is capable of operating as you suggest, it is no more likely that you commiting rape because you have the equipment. Hams have a license to loose if they partake in such nonsense. Are you telling me that it's unusual for hams to operate (illegaly) out-of-band? (Trying to stop choking from uncontrollable fits of laughter.) Consider the number of hams who use their dual-banders on the FRS and GMRS channels...or the number of hams who use their HF rigs on the CB band. I would dare say that *most* hams partake in such behavior at least occasionally. Not condoning it, just stating that it does happen...and happens frequently. |
Consider the number of hams who use their dual-banders on the FRS and GMRS
channels...or the number of hams who use their HF rigs on the CB band. I can use my RCI-2950 on 11 meters, my IC-2100 on MURS, and my HTX-420 on FRS/GMRS. Do I? : |
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