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So Phuk'em

January 24th 04 04:40 AM

Do yourself a favor. Cancel your League membership now!

All you old timers & O.M.'s, cancel your memberships! The ARRL board of
directors and section managers are intent on destroying your enjoyment of
the hobby and also in destroying the effectiveness of the service in times
of national emergency. I'm sick at how the bands have become sounding like
CB over the last 17 years, and the League is still intent on making things
worse. So Phuk'em

Lloyd Davies The GREAT TIME LORD

January 24th 04 05:26 AM

Dr. Anton.T. Squeegee

January 24th 04 05:30 AM

In article 7HmQb.133575$I06.1201849@attbi_s01, says...

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N2OBY

January 24th 04 06:15 AM

Actually, it's jerks like you that are intent on destroying everyone's
enjoyment of the hobby. FYI - it's the hams that have entered the hobby
over the last 17 years that have boosted and improved the effectiveness of
the service in times of national emergency. Everyone's sick of listening to
whiners like you with your prognostications of doom and gloom.

Do the hobby at large a favor and go phuk yourself...

"So Phuk'em" wrote in message
news:7HmQb.133575$I06.1201849@attbi_s01...

All you old timers & O.M.'s, cancel your memberships! The ARRL board of
directors and section managers are intent on destroying your enjoyment of
the hobby and also in destroying the effectiveness of the service in times
of national emergency. I'm sick at how the bands have become sounding like
CB over the last 17 years, and the League is still intent on making things
worse. So Phuk'em

TL Fort

January 24th 04 11:48 AM

I joined last week....

Tracy

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:40:35 GMT, "So Phuk'em" wrote:

All you old timers & O.M.'s, cancel your memberships! The ARRL board of
directors and section managers are intent on destroying your enjoyment of
the hobby and also in destroying the effectiveness of the service in times
of national emergency. I'm sick at how the bands have become sounding like
CB over the last 17 years, and the League is still intent on making things
worse. So Phuk'em

Carl R. Stevenson

January 24th 04 03:10 PM

"So Phuk'em" wrote in message
news:7HmQb.133575$I06.1201849@attbi_s01...

All you old timers & O.M.'s, cancel your memberships! The ARRL board of
directors and section managers are intent on destroying your enjoyment of
the hobby and also in destroying the effectiveness of the service in times
of national emergency. I'm sick at how the bands have become sounding like
CB over the last 17 years, and the League is still intent on making things
worse. So Phuk'em

I don't normally respond to anonymous trolls, but I feel compelled to
counter
your statements above.

IF you feel that the ARRL "is intent on destroying (your) enjoyment of the
hobby," you must get your enjoyment purely from a self-delusional sense of
superiority.

I've been licensed for well over 25 years. The ham bands have *not*
"become sounding like CB over the last 17 years" - there have always
been a few bad apples - MANY of them OTs who passed the 20 wpm
Morse test and believe they are some sort of gods.

Yes, new hams may make some operating errors and they may need
a little coaching and immersion in the "culture" of ham radio to get to
the point where they sound experienced. We ALL made such mistakes
when we first got on the air - learning by doing is the best way to learn.

So get off your high horse ...

I was unhappy with the ARRL's policy on Morse testing for a long time,
and I'm still not happy with the aspect of their new proposal that would
keep Morse testing for Extra. (Though I have nothing to gain personally,
since I'm already an Extra.)

HOWEVER, the ARRL does SO much good for ham radio that I finally
decided to take out a life membership - BEFORE their proposal came
out (not knowing what position they'd take on the code test).

If all the OT's bail out on the ARRL over this, they will be cutting off
their noses to spite their face.

I encourage everyone to maintain their ARRL membership. And, I
encourage those who aren't members to join. The best way to influence
the ARRL in a progressive direction is from the inside - join, then talk to
your ARRL Director, make your views known, and let him/her know that
your vote in the next ARRL Director election in your division depends on
their performance.

73,
Carl - wk3c

slinkie linkie

January 24th 04 03:19 PM

Dee D. Flint

January 24th 04 04:57 PM

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message
...
[snip]
HOWEVER, the ARRL does SO much good for ham radio that I finally
decided to take out a life membership - BEFORE their proposal came
out (not knowing what position they'd take on the code test).

If all the OT's bail out on the ARRL over this, they will be cutting off
their noses to spite their face.

I encourage everyone to maintain their ARRL membership. And, I
encourage those who aren't members to join. The best way to influence
the ARRL in a progressive direction is from the inside - join, then talk
to
your ARRL Director, make your views known, and let him/her know that
your vote in the next ARRL Director election in your division depends on
their performance.

73,
Carl - wk3c

I agree 100%. If one wants to influence the direction of change, they've
got to get in there and do the work. "Taking their marbles and going home"
accomplishes nothing except leave the field wide open for people with other
viewpoints. It removes the necessary balance and resulting debate that is
necessary for progress. Not everyone is going to agree with the direction
and result but the effort that goes into it will usually (but not always)
yield a better result than when a single point of view is allowed to be put
into affect without the scrutiny that comes with such debate.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Bonzi

January 24th 04 07:05 PM

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:26:17 -0600, "Lloyd Davies The GREAT TIME LORD"
wrote:

"So Phuk'em" wrote in message
news:7HmQb.133575$I06.1201849@attbi_s01...

All you old timers & O.M.'s, cancel your memberships! The ARRL board of
directors and section managers are intent on destroying your enjoyment of
the hobby and also in destroying the effectiveness of the service in times
of national emergency. I'm sick at how the bands have become sounding like
CB over the last 17 years, and the League is still intent on making things
worse. So Phuk'em

I have a completly different opinion!

Join the ARRL today! There is no better time than now, to join the ONLY
voice that Ham Radio has. If you don't like what you, Mr I have no balls,
than turn your radio off! You are not helping anyone!

Like I said, my membership had paid off!!!!!!

You couldn't get on HF until it was given to you, lardass.

Keyboard In The Wilderness

January 24th 04 07:14 PM

And the ARRL is the only game in town -- we might NOT have the bands and
privileges we do without them.

I am with the poster who sed:

-- I have a completely different opinion!

Join the ARRL today! \

73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

Robert Casey

January 24th 04 07:29 PM

So Phuk'em wrote this troll:

I'm sick at how the bands have become sounding like
CB over the last 17 years, and the League is still intent on making things
worse. So Phuk'em

Have you actually listened to CB lately? Ignoring the heterodynes from the
AM carriers, it sounds completely different than even a crowded during a
contest ham band.

Dan/W4NTI

January 24th 04 10:29 PM

"Lloyd Davies The GREAT TIME LORD" wrote in message
.. .

"So Phuk'em" wrote in message
news:7HmQb.133575$I06.1201849@attbi_s01...

All you old timers & O.M.'s, cancel your memberships! The ARRL board of
directors and section managers are intent on destroying your enjoyment
of
the hobby and also in destroying the effectiveness of the service in
times
of national emergency. I'm sick at how the bands have become sounding
like
CB over the last 17 years, and the League is still intent on making
things
worse. So Phuk'em

I have a completly different opinion!

Join the ARRL today! There is no better time than now, to join the ONLY
voice that Ham Radio has. If you don't like what you, Mr I have no
balls,
than turn your radio off! You are not helping anyone!

Like I said, my membership had paid off!!!!!!

Anything that Llllllloooooyyyyydddd supports has to be world class crap.
If you and your ilk are the 'new wave' I want nothing to do with it.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI

January 24th 04 10:30 PM

"Bonzi" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:26:17 -0600, "Lloyd Davies The GREAT TIME LORD"
wrote:

"So Phuk'em" wrote in message
news:7HmQb.133575$I06.1201849@attbi_s01...

All you old timers & O.M.'s, cancel your memberships! The ARRL board
of
directors and section managers are intent on destroying your enjoyment
of
the hobby and also in destroying the effectiveness of the service in
times
of national emergency. I'm sick at how the bands have become sounding
like
CB over the last 17 years, and the League is still intent on making
things
worse. So Phuk'em

I have a completly different opinion!

Join the ARRL today! There is no better time than now, to join the ONLY
voice that Ham Radio has. If you don't like what you, Mr I have no
balls,
than turn your radio off! You are not helping anyone!

Like I said, my membership had paid off!!!!!!

You couldn't get on HF until it was given to you, lardass.

And when he gets there he is gonna feel like chum at a shark feeding.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI

January 24th 04 10:31 PM

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:NuzQb.59621$zs4.22815@fed1read01...
And the ARRL is the only game in town -- we might NOT have the bands and
privileges we do without them.

I am with the poster who sed:

-- I have a completely different opinion!

Join the ARRL today! \

73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

Which is the only reason they are worth hanging with. The gang of fifteen
really stepped on their you know whats on this one. Just watch how the core
membership dumps them.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI

January 24th 04 10:41 PM

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message
...

"So Phuk'em" wrote in message
news:7HmQb.133575$I06.1201849@attbi_s01...

All you old timers & O.M.'s, cancel your memberships! The ARRL board of
directors and section managers are intent on destroying your enjoyment
of
the hobby and also in destroying the effectiveness of the service in
times
of national emergency. I'm sick at how the bands have become sounding
like
CB over the last 17 years, and the League is still intent on making
things
worse. So Phuk'em

I don't normally respond to anonymous trolls, but I feel compelled to
counter
your statements above.

IF you feel that the ARRL "is intent on destroying (your) enjoyment of the
hobby," you must get your enjoyment purely from a self-delusional sense of
superiority.

I've been licensed for well over 25 years. The ham bands have *not*
"become sounding like CB over the last 17 years" - there have always
been a few bad apples - MANY of them OTs who passed the 20 wpm
Morse test and believe they are some sort of gods.

Yes, new hams may make some operating errors and they may need
a little coaching and immersion in the "culture" of ham radio to get to
the point where they sound experienced. We ALL made such mistakes
when we first got on the air - learning by doing is the best way to learn.

So get off your high horse ...

I was unhappy with the ARRL's policy on Morse testing for a long time,
and I'm still not happy with the aspect of their new proposal that would
keep Morse testing for Extra. (Though I have nothing to gain personally,
since I'm already an Extra.)

HOWEVER, the ARRL does SO much good for ham radio that I finally
decided to take out a life membership - BEFORE their proposal came
out (not knowing what position they'd take on the code test).

If all the OT's bail out on the ARRL over this, they will be cutting off
their noses to spite their face.

I encourage everyone to maintain their ARRL membership. And, I
encourage those who aren't members to join. The best way to influence
the ARRL in a progressive direction is from the inside - join, then talk
to
your ARRL Director, make your views known, and let him/her know that
your vote in the next ARRL Director election in your division depends on
their performance.

73,
Carl - wk3c

Well Carl, our Director . Frank Butler don't even answer e-mails on the
subject, and others.

Knowing the gang of 15 is so on high I can only assume they have their noses
in the clouds that they can't hear us lowley constituits.

Most people I have talked to, on the air, and on the internet, think the
proposal is terrible. Most of which are/were ARRL members. And all to the
man saying they are dropping it.

Dream on. The ARRL does not listen. But its members read it loud and clear
.. Its called money. And to hell with what the members really want.

Dan/W4NTI

harvey's carmel balls

January 25th 04 12:45 AM

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
ink.net...

Anything that Llllllloooooyyyyydddd supports has to be world class crap.
If you and your ilk are the 'new wave' I want nothing to do with it.

Dan/W4NTI

"Lloyd" is just stirring the **** as usual.

He did this on 14.313 quite often too.

(Hint: wonder why "Lloyd" is in quotes
above, cause my info says it ain't been Lloyd Davies
making these postings all this time over past months. It is
someone else. Someone who has a colorful
past and still likes to stir the **** on 14.313 even today)

Arthur Harris

January 25th 04 07:16 PM

The anonymous "KeyBoard In The Wilderness" wrote:
I write my government reps and the ARRL regularly -- do you ??

I did write ARRL when I was a member, and also spoke to their reps at club
meetings. But they always seemed more interested in justifying the positions
the League was committed to than listening to members' ideas.

There comes a time when you have to think and act for yourself. If the
League is going to pander to the "give me a free upgrade" crowd, then
let
that crowd support them. I dropped my membership a few years ago after
seeing the League's "re-structuring" proposal.

Well you can drop out and scream on the NG's or you can work with and thru
the ARRL to get things done.

I'm not screaming, just stating my opinion. I was a League member for many
years. But when they repeatedly take positions on important issues that I
think are wrong, why should I continue to support them? If they feel that
the long-time hams will always support them no matter what, they will
continue to ignore us and take us for granted. Perhaps if enough of the Old
Timers drop out, they will get the message.

I doubt the ARRL reads this NG.

I suspect a few of the ARRL crowd do read these NGs.

The ARRL has accomplihed much in the interests of Amateur Radio.

Not lately. They've also made some enormous blunders.

Art Harris N2AH

Dee D. Flint

January 25th 04 07:53 PM

"Arthur Harris" wrote in message
. ..
The anonymous "KeyBoard In The Wilderness" wrote:
I write my government reps and the ARRL regularly -- do you ??

I did write ARRL when I was a member, and also spoke to their reps at club
meetings. But they always seemed more interested in justifying the
positions
the League was committed to than listening to members' ideas.

Did you try running for office yourself or, if you lacked time to run,
encouraging others with your views to run for office?

There comes a time when you have to think and act for yourself. If the
League is going to pander to the "give me a free upgrade" crowd, then
let
that crowd support them. I dropped my membership a few years ago after
seeing the League's "re-structuring" proposal.

Well you can drop out and scream on the NG's or you can work with and
thru
the ARRL to get things done.

I'm not screaming, just stating my opinion. I was a League member for many
years. But when they repeatedly take positions on important issues that I
think are wrong, why should I continue to support them? If they feel that
the long-time hams will always support them no matter what, they will
continue to ignore us and take us for granted. Perhaps if enough of the
Old
Timers drop out, they will get the message.

Did you try running for office yourself or, if you lacked time to run,
encouraging others with your views to run for office?

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new people
coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with an even
more unbalanced viewpoint.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Chiam Tsoris

January 25th 04 09:20 PM

If you want to stop this, join the ARRL and start a recall of all of
the current directors and vice directors.

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message news:NuzQb.59621$zs4.22815@fed1read01...
And the ARRL is the only game in town -- we might NOT have the bands and
privileges we do without them.

I am with the poster who sed:

-- I have a completely different opinion!

Join the ARRL today! \

73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

William

January 25th 04 10:44 PM

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new people
coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with an even
more unbalanced viewpoint.

Depends on your point of view. I'm going to encourage more cranky old
hams to drop out.

Dee D. Flint

January 25th 04 10:59 PM

"William" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
igy.com...

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new
people
coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with an
even
more unbalanced viewpoint.

Depends on your point of view. I'm going to encourage more cranky old
hams to drop out.

Although new versus old does cause friction, the balance is still needed.
The new bring fresh enthusiasm and new ideas. The old have the experience
to weigh these ideas and modify them so they will work or to spot ideas that
have been tried in the past and known to fail. We need both old and new.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Mike Coslo

January 25th 04 11:31 PM

William wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new people
coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with an even
more unbalanced viewpoint.

Depends on your point of view. I'm going to encourage more cranky old
hams to drop out.

HA! Good one!

This is Brian, right?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Screw'em

January 26th 04 02:34 AM

I am with the poster who sed:

-- I have a completely different opinion!

Join the ARRL today! \

73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

I won't join the ARRL because full membership now requires a frontal
lobotomy. If you see your section manager or Division director at a meeting
or Hamfest, ask them how their surgury went, then slap the **** out of them
for me.

Screw'em

William

January 26th 04 01:06 PM

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new people
coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with an even
more unbalanced viewpoint.

Depends on your point of view. I'm going to encourage more cranky old
hams to drop out.

HA! Good one!

This is Brian, right?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Yup. Got tired of my real email account getting loaded with spam.

William

January 26th 04 01:08 PM

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"William" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
igy.com...

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new
people
coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with an
even
more unbalanced viewpoint.

Depends on your point of view. I'm going to encourage more cranky old
hams to drop out.

Although new versus old does cause friction, the balance is still needed.
The new bring fresh enthusiasm and new ideas. The old have the experience
to weigh these ideas and modify them so they will work or to spot ideas that
have been tried in the past and known to fail. We need both old and new.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Here we go again with the demographics. The ARS is a geriatric service.

Too bad they took the birth date out of the database.

Mike Coslo

January 26th 04 02:01 PM

William wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

"William" wrote in message
.com...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

igy.com...

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new

people

coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with an

even

more unbalanced viewpoint.

Depends on your point of view. I'm going to encourage more cranky old
hams to drop out.

Although new versus old does cause friction, the balance is still needed.
The new bring fresh enthusiasm and new ideas. The old have the experience
to weigh these ideas and modify them so they will work or to spot ideas that
have been tried in the past and known to fail. We need both old and new.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Here we go again with the demographics. The ARS is a geriatric service.

Too bad they took the birth date out of the database.

She's *kind* of right, Brian. I'd modify it that the oldsters should be
the helpful type, not the ones spitting bile about how awful or stupid
everyone is anymore. 8^) I really enjoy talking with old timers about
ham radio and radio in general as long as I don't get an earful of vitriol.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL

January 26th 04 04:36 PM

"Screw'em" wrote in
news:c1%Qb.118600$5V2.616514@attbi_s53:

I am with the poster who sed:

-- I have a completely different opinion!

Join the ARRL today! \

73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

I won't join the ARRL because full membership now requires a frontal
lobotomy. If you see your section manager or Division director at a
meeting or Hamfest, ask them how their surgury went, then slap the
**** out of them for me.

I'm afraid you *will* need to slap them in order to get their attention.
The BOD doesn't listen to members or hams like me anymore.

If the ARRL leadership had cared about the state of amateur radio and the
quality of its operators, they never would have made the proposals that
they've made over the last 11 years. To them its let us get more morons
licensed so we can get more money in the ole bank account. The ARRL
leadership doesn't care for quality, capable operators. But their plan
will back fire on them and ham radio has and will suffer. When you hand
free licenses to everyone, those people don't appreciate it and probably
won't buy a membership. You always appreciate something more when you
had to work harder to get it and you'll take care of it. But to the ARRL
it's all about money and I'll bet anyone in this group that if they get
their way with their proposal they will offer a 12 dollar discount to new
ham non-members like they did at the last restructuring. "Take a ham
test, and we'll discount new membership on the price of your VEC test
fee!"

Oh well, Nuff said. Most of you don't care anyway. Back to listening to
the lids and CBer type behavior on the bands. 73

KB7ADL

Dee D. Flint

January 26th 04 07:06 PM

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
William wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
igy.com...

"William" wrote in message
.com...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

igy.com...

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new

people

coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with
an

even

more unbalanced viewpoint.

Depends on your point of view. I'm going to encourage more cranky old
hams to drop out.

Although new versus old does cause friction, the balance is still
needed.
The new bring fresh enthusiasm and new ideas. The old have the
experience
to weigh these ideas and modify them so they will work or to spot ideas
that
have been tried in the past and known to fail. We need both old and
new.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Here we go again with the demographics. The ARS is a geriatric service.

Too bad they took the birth date out of the database.

She's *kind* of right, Brian. I'd modify it that the oldsters should be
the helpful type, not the ones spitting bile about how awful or stupid
everyone is anymore. 8^) I really enjoy talking with old timers about
ham radio and radio in general as long as I don't get an earful of
vitriol.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Keep in mind also that the vitriolic ones tend to be highly vocal and
noticeable thus giving people the impression that there are a lot of them
when in reality they are only a handful.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

William

January 26th 04 09:15 PM

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

"William" wrote in message
.com...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

igy.com...

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new

people

coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with an

even

more unbalanced viewpoint.

Depends on your point of view. I'm going to encourage more cranky old
hams to drop out.

Although new versus old does cause friction, the balance is still needed.
The new bring fresh enthusiasm and new ideas. The old have the experience
to weigh these ideas and modify them so they will work or to spot ideas that
have been tried in the past and known to fail. We need both old and new.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Here we go again with the demographics. The ARS is a geriatric service.

Too bad they took the birth date out of the database.

She's *kind* of right, Brian. I'd modify it that the oldsters should be
the helpful type, not the ones spitting bile about how awful or stupid
everyone is anymore. 8^) I really enjoy talking with old timers about
ham radio and radio in general as long as I don't get an earful of vitriol.

- Mike KB3EIA -

I kind of miss W0EX.

Bonzi

January 27th 04 01:54 AM

Roger Halstead

January 27th 04 08:10 PM

When they came out with incentive licensing, there was a vocal
minority complaining. When they came out with the No code tech license
there was a vocal minority complaining. Now they are doing away with
most of the CW requirement and there is a vocal minority complaining.

WAyyyy back there used to be the class separation and then they did
away with it to the point where the General class had full privileges.
Then incentive licensing, then the new structure with code free techs
on VHF, then they lowered the CW speed and now they are doing away
with most of the CW requirements which are there due to international
agreements.

"To me" it matters little whether they make the requirements tech
heavy, procedure heavy, or require CW. It has little to do with the
character of those coming into the service.

Each change has brought out the "gloom and doom" element proclaiming
this will be the straw that broke the camel's back and the end of
Amateur Radio.

Maybe in addition to the technology and procedure testing we should
run a test on character traits? :-)) If we had been doing such
there would be a number of current hams who would have failed.

I have gone the whole route and yes, I passed 20 wpm to get my
license, but I don't see that need be a requirement for future
applicants.

It really doesn't matter how we test, there is always going to be a
mix of character traits and groups who oppose the way each other
operate. There will also be a small percent who will not be satisfied
no mater what is done.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger Halstead

January 28th 04 03:58 AM

Well... I'm gonna try again. I posted this over 8 hours ago and it's
not shown up on my server yet so my apologies if it turns up twice.

When they came out with incentive licensing, there was a vocal
minority complaining. When they came out with the No code tech license
there was a vocal minority complaining. Now they are doing away with
most of the CW requirement and there is a vocal minority complaining.

WAyyyy back there used to be the class separation and then they did
away with it to the point where the General class had full privileges.
Then incentive licensing, then the new structure with code free techs
on VHF, then they lowered the CW speed and now they are doing away
with most of the CW requirements which are there due to international
agreements.

"To me" it matters little whether they make the requirements tech
heavy, procedure heavy, or require CW. It has little to do with the
character of those coming into the service.

Each change has brought out the "gloom and doom" element proclaiming
this will be the straw that broke the camel's back and the end of
Amateur Radio.

Maybe in addition to the technology and procedure testing we should
run a test on character traits? :-)) If we had been doing such
there would be a number of current hams who would have failed.

I have gone the whole route and yes, I passed 20 wpm to get my
license, but I don't see that need be a requirement for future
applicants.

It really doesn't matter how we test, there is always going to be a
mix of character traits and groups who oppose the way each other
operate. There will also be a small percent who will not be satisfied
no mater what is done.

The move proposed by the League is consistent with international
treaty and world policy.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Bill Sohl

January 28th 04 02:23 PM

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
...

Well... I'm gonna try again. I posted this over 8 hours ago and it's
not shown up on my server yet so my apologies if it turns up twice.

When they came out with incentive licensing, there was a vocal
minority complaining. When they came out with the No code tech license
there was a vocal minority complaining. Now they are doing away with
most of the CW requirement and there is a vocal minority complaining.

WAyyyy back there used to be the class separation and then they did
away with it to the point where the General class had full privileges.
Then incentive licensing, then the new structure with code free techs
on VHF, then they lowered the CW speed and now they are doing away
with most of the CW requirements which are there due to international
agreements.

"To me" it matters little whether they make the requirements tech
heavy, procedure heavy, or require CW. It has little to do with the
character of those coming into the service.

Each change has brought out the "gloom and doom" element proclaiming
this will be the straw that broke the camel's back and the end of
Amateur Radio.

Maybe in addition to the technology and procedure testing we should
run a test on character traits? :-)) If we had been doing such
there would be a number of current hams who would have failed.

I have gone the whole route and yes, I passed 20 wpm to get my
license, but I don't see that need be a requirement for future
applicants.

It really doesn't matter how we test, there is always going to be a
mix of character traits and groups who oppose the way each other
operate. There will also be a small percent who will not be satisfied
no mater what is done.

The move proposed by the League is consistent with international
treaty and world policy.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Great post. Propose anything and there will be that minority that
opposes it.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK
ARRL and NCI

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