Need help from an older callbook
 

I am trying to help a friend track down an old acquaintance. He can't
remember the fellow's name, but he remembers being in the his shack
and hearing him call CQ from "Willy Able Four John Tere Marie, slant 4
Charlottesville".

This was perhaps 25-35 years ago, I believe. The call is not active
nor listed. If someone has an older callbook and can look up WA4JTM so
we may get his name, it would help. I must've tossed my old books
somewhere along the way.

I'll check back on the newsgroup or you can get my attention at capn27
at PLUG yahoo dot com dot sg. Pull the plug.

Tnx & 73
Rich
N7FXR

On 3 Jun 2004 08:40:59 -0700, (Rich S.) wrote:

I am trying to help a friend track down an old acquaintance. He can't
remember the fellow's name, but he remembers being in the his shack
and hearing him call CQ from "Willy Able Four John Tere Marie, slant 4
Charlottesville".

This was perhaps 25-35 years ago, I believe. The call is not active
nor listed. If someone has an older callbook and can look up WA4JTM so
we may get his name, it would help. I must've tossed my old books
somewhere along the way.

Try QCWA. They have old callbooks. http://www.qcwa.org

I will tell you that the range of years may lead to ambiguity. The
call you cite was probably originally issued sometime around 1961-63
(I was WA4NJI, issued 1963). However, in a few of the call areas (the
Second, that I have specific knowledge of), the WA calls were run
through a second time before moving on to the WB calls (as they did in
the Ninth area, of which I also have specific knowledge).

I think I remember some WB4 calls from the late '60s, which suggests
they didn't recycle the 4s, but the Fourth area was always one of the
quickest to go through allocations (a friend's wife received WA4Txx in
'64), so it's possible they might have indeed gone through the WAs
twice before going to the WBs, like they did in the Second area.

I was inactive from '64 through about '70, so didn't follow the
allocations in that period.

Good luck in your search.

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

"LRod" wrote in message
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Try QCWA. They have old callbooks. http://www.qcwa.org

LRod..........

Thanks for the link. I looked at the site, but couldn't find a reference to
old callbooks. I certainly don't care to join an association or buy a book
just to look up one call once.

If I can just get somebody to haul one off the shelf, look under WA4JTM and
give me a matching name, I can refer it back to my pal to see if he can make
a mental connection.

73
Rich
N7FXR

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I believe I have a book from the late 70's. email me @ arrl.net & I'll
look.

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"Rich S." wrote in message
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"LRod" wrote in message
...

Try QCWA. They have old callbooks. http://www.qcwa.org

LRod..........

Thanks for the link. I looked at the site, but couldn't find a reference
to
old callbooks. I certainly don't care to join an association or buy a book
just to look up one call once.

If I can just get somebody to haul one off the shelf, look under WA4JTM
and
give me a matching name, I can refer it back to my pal to see if he can
make
a mental connection.

73
Rich
N7FXR

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:29:56 -0700, "Rich S."
wrote:

"LRod" wrote in message
.. .

Try QCWA. They have old callbooks. http://www.qcwa.org

LRod..........

Thanks for the link. I looked at the site, but couldn't find a reference to
old callbooks. I certainly don't care to join an association or buy a book
just to look up one call once.

If I can just get somebody to haul one off the shelf, look under WA4JTM and
give me a matching name, I can refer it back to my pal to see if he can make
a mental connection.

They'll do the lookup service for no charge, if I recall. Send them a
request. The worst that can happen is they'll say there's a charge. At
best you get the name and maybe address. QCWA is a good group.

You might also look at http://www.qrz.com Seems to me I recall either
them having a lookup service or information about one. Also check the
League: http://www.arrl.org Same deal.

There are lots of resources out there. I just don't have any old
Callbooks. Someone else might. In the meantime...

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

I tried the "old call book" look-up @ QRZ and it wasn't there.

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Someone said:

You might also look at http://www.qrz.com Seems to me I recall either
them having a lookup service or information about one.

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:58:49 GMT, Aaron Lake
wrote:

(Rich S.) wrote:

I am trying to help a friend track down an old acquaintance. He can't
remember the fellow's name, but he remembers being in the his shack
and hearing him call CQ from "Willy Able Four John Tere Marie, slant 4
Charlottesville".

From 1973 Callbook:
WA4JTM (C) Tom Carey 102 Essex Dr Ormond Beach FL 32074

How freaky is this? One of the rare threads I get involved in and that
address is less than three miles away from me on beachside. That zip
is incorrect. Most of Ormond Beach is 32174; that address is 32175.
Probably some changes over the years.

I'll drive over there today and see if there are any antennas. I don't
know anyone in town, as I've only been here a year and I haven't been
active.

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

"Aaron Lake" wrote in message
...
(Rich S.) wrote:

I am trying to help a friend track down an old acquaintance. He can't
remember the fellow's name, but he remembers being in the his shack
and hearing him call CQ from "Willy Able Four John Tere Marie, slant 4
Charlottesville".

From 1973 Callbook:
WA4JTM (C) Tom Carey 102 Essex Dr Ormond Beach FL 32074

Thank you, Aaron. The information has been forwarded to my friend Dave in
Richmond and the name clicked in his memory. He now has a place to start
looking for his old mentor.

Steve, CainineDCeye, was also kind enough to send me the info - Thanks to
him as well.

73
Rich
November Seven Francis Xavier Rodriguez
:o)

"LRod" wrote in message
...

How freaky is this? One of the rare threads I get involved in and that
address is less than three miles away from me on beachside. That zip
is incorrect. Most of Ormond Beach is 32174; that address is 32175.
Probably some changes over the years.

I'll drive over there today and see if there are any antennas. I don't
know anyone in town, as I've only been here a year and I haven't been
active.

This has been a freaky week, LRod. Night before last a small voice in my
head (I forgot to wear my tinfoil nightcap) woke me up at 2:40 am. I rolled
out of bed, rubbed my eyes, went to the window, hoisted the light-proof
shade and looked out into the moonlight.

Just in time to see a meteor flash over the house and explode with a flash
that lit up a 200 mile area like daylight! I thought the Triton Sub Base at
Bangor, WA (forty miles north of me) had gone up.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...meteor04m.html

The freaky part is, of course, what caused me to wake up and go to the
window?

But - regarding the address. . . Aaron wrote the zip code as 32074. You
wrote 32174 and 32175. Dave can look it up, of course, but I wonder which
one is current?

I'll stay tuned for your report. Maybe you could get a forwarding address if
he has moved (died, defected, whatever).

73
Rich
November Seven Francis Xavier Rodriguez
:o)

WOW! neat variation on my call...

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"Rich S." wrote in message
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"Aaron Lake" wrote in message
...
(Rich S.) wrote:

I am trying to help a friend track down ...
"Willy Able Four John Tere Marie, slant 4
Charlottesville".

From 1973 Callbook:
WA4JTM (C) Tom Carey 102 Essex Dr Ormond Beach FL 32074

Thank you, Aaron. The information has been forwarded to my friend Dave in
Richmond and the name clicked in his memory. He now has a place to start
looking for his old mentor.

Steve, CainineDCeye, was also kind enough to send me the info - Thanks to
him as well.

73
Rich
November Seven Francis Xavier Rodriguez
:o)

On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:57:21 -0700, "Rich S."
wrote:


But - regarding the address. . . Aaron wrote the zip code as 32074. You
wrote 32174 and 32175. Dave can look it up, of course, but I wonder which
one is current?

32174 is mainland and 32175 is beachside. Both are current (mine is
'174)

I'll stay tuned for your report. Maybe you could get a forwarding address if
he has moved (died, defected, whatever).

I drove by the house this morning. Nothing special and no antennas;
looks like it's had some renovations, so it might have changed hands
recently.

I also checked the current phone directory; no Tom or Thomas Carey in
Ormond Beach. In fact, there are only two listings in Volusia County;
one in Enterprise (a tiny bump in the road about 20 miles from here)
and one in Deland (county seat, and where Walt Maxwell, W2DU, lives).

I'm not much for knocking on doors, so I'll let your friend take it
from here.

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

"LRod" wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:57:21 -0700, "Rich S."
wrote:

32174 is mainland and 32175 is beachside. Both are current (mine is '174)

32175 it is, then.

I also checked the current phone directory; no Tom or Thomas Carey in
Ormond Beach. In fact, there are only two listings in Volusia County;
one in Enterprise (a tiny bump in the road about 20 miles from here)
and one in Deland (county seat, and where Walt Maxwell, W2DU, lives).

I asked Dave whether Tim or Tom is the right. He says it's Tim.

I'm not much for knocking on doors, so I'll let your friend take it
from here.

You have earned your star.

LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Wanna see some woodwork I did?
http://www.harbornet.com/folks/shankland/emeraude
Look at the green one near the bottom of the page.

73
Rich
November Seven Francis Xavier Rodriguez
:o)

"Rich S." wrote:

"Aaron Lake" wrote in message
.. .
(Rich S.) wrote:

I am trying to help a friend track down an old acquaintance. He can't
remember the fellow's name, but he remembers being in the his shack
and hearing him call CQ from "Willy Able Four John Tere Marie, slant 4
Charlottesville".

From 1973 Callbook:
WA4JTM (C) Tom Carey 102 Essex Dr Ormond Beach FL 32074

Thank you, Aaron. The information has been forwarded to my friend Dave in
Richmond and the name clicked in his memory. He now has a place to start
looking for his old mentor.

You're welcome. After reading other posts here I rechecked the 1973 listing.
While I copied the zip correctly, I flubbed on the name. It should be Tim, not
Tom. Sorry about that. It's amazing how much smaller that font has gotten since
I got that book. ;) BTW I went ahead and checked my 1984 call book and the
call had disappeared. I also checked my oldest 'searchable' database (Sams 1994)
for the name 'Tim Carey' and WA4JTM and nothing there either. It seems Tim left
the ham scene. One can only speculate. Maybe a silent key, or inactivity? And of
course your friend might have gotten the phonetics wrong. I can't remember ever
hearing a ham using "Tere" or "Marie" before. Let us know how your friend makes
out and if he has any other guesses, or clues, I'd be happy to try again.

"Aaron Lake" wrote in message
...

You're welcome. After reading other posts here I rechecked the 1973
listing.
While I copied the zip correctly, I flubbed on the name. It should be Tim,
not
Tom. Sorry about that. It's amazing how much smaller that font has gotten
since
I got that book. ;) BTW I went ahead and checked my 1984 call book and
the
call had disappeared. I also checked my oldest 'searchable' database (Sams
1994)
for the name 'Tim Carey' and WA4JTM and nothing there either. It seems Tim
left
the ham scene. One can only speculate. Maybe a silent key, or inactivity?
And of
course your friend might have gotten the phonetics wrong. I can't remember
ever
hearing a ham using "Tere" or "Marie" before. Let us know how your friend
makes
out and if he has any other guesses, or clues, I'd be happy to try again.

Aaron..........

Dave verified that Tim Carey is indeed the person he remembers. As soon as I
wrote the name to him, he remembered.

I remember a lot of the different phonetics used and "Tare" (Dave spelled it
Tere and I just copied what he wrote) was common for "T". "Nan" "November"
or "Nectar" for "N" and I seem to remember "Marie" or "Mary" for "M".

'Course, I learned my Morse code when Truman was pres.

Rich

On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:26:07 -0700, "Rich S."
wrote:

I remember a lot of the different phonetics used and "Tare" (Dave spelled it
Tere and I just copied what he wrote) was common for "T". "Nan" "November"
or "Nectar" for "N" and I seem to remember "Marie" or "Mary" for "M".

'Course, I learned my Morse code when Truman was pres.

Interestingly, one of the messages from this newsgroup that I have
archived is about phonetic alphabets. You probably learned this one:

Pre-1954 U.S. Navy Radio Alphabet:

(Communications Handbook, 1945)

Able Baker Charlie Dog Easy Fox George How Item Jig King
Love Mike Nan Oboe Peter Queen Roger Sugar Tare Uncle Victor
William X-ray Yoke Zebra

I cut-and-pasted this from the original post.

When I retired from the FAA in 1997 after 30 years, there were still
occasions when I'd hear a couple of those (not counting the ones like
Victor and X-Ray that are also on the ICAO list).

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

From URL: http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html


Pre-1954 U.S. Navy Radio Alphabet: (Communications Handbook, 1945)

Able Baker Charlie Dog Easy Fox George How Item Jig King
Love Mike Nan Oboe Peter Queen Roger Sugar Tare Uncle Victor
William X-ray Yoke Zebra


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I remember a lot of the different phonetics used and "Tare" (Dave spelled
it
Tere and I just copied what he wrote) was common for "T". "Nan" "November"
or "Nectar" for "N" and I seem to remember "Marie" or "Mary" for "M".

'Course, I learned my Morse code when Truman was pres.

Rich

"Rich S." wrote:

I remember a lot of the different phonetics used and "Tare"

Yes, Tare for "T" seems to ring a bell. "Tere" threw me as I read it as 'tear'.

"Nan" "November"

Yep remember these being used too.

or "Nectar" for "N"

Nectar? Maybe a CB crossover??

and I seem to remember "Marie" or "Mary" for "M".

Well Mary was the correct one anyway.

'Course, I learned my Morse code

That's one of the nice things about Morse, no Phonetics...

when Truman was pres.

Well the closest to Truman I can come is my 1947 Callbook. It would have been
'John Thomas Mary' using that books ARRL list. That was only slightly different
from 'John Tom Mary' in the "Western Union Key Words" phonetics for amateurs in
my 1934 Callbook. However in the 1973 Callbook the "ARRL adopted International
Civil Aviation Organization" phonetics list had changed things completely to
'Juliet Tango Mike'. So what the hey, maybe we can get Nectar in officially
someday. ;)

FYI Phonetic Tare

Main Entry: 2tare
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Old Italian tara, from
Arabic tarha, literally, that which is removed
1 : a deduction from the gross weight of a substance and its container made
in allowance for the weight of the container; also : the weight of the
container


And as I sed

From URL: http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html


Pre-1954 U.S. Navy Radio Alphabet: (Communications Handbook, 1945)

Able Baker Charlie Dog Easy Fox George How Item Jig King
Love Mike Nan Oboe Peter Queen Roger Sugar Tare Uncle Victor
William X-ray Yoke Zebra

Also from the same website:
German army handbook 90/91: Alfa Foxtrott Juliett.
Italian version: Alfa Charly FoxTrot Giuliet Romio Wiskey.
An Indonesian phrase book: Beta Ultra Volvo Whisky X-ray.
A precursor of the present alphabet (1952?) had: Alfa Coca
Metro Nectar Siera Union Whisky Extra]



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"Aaron Lake" wrote in message
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"Rich S." wrote:

I remember a lot of the different phonetics used and "Tare"

Yes, Tare for "T" seems to ring a bell. "Tere" threw me as I read it as
'tear'.

"Nan" "November"

Yep remember these being used too.

or "Nectar" for "N"

Nectar? Maybe a CB crossover??

and I seem to remember "Marie" or "Mary" for "M".

Well Mary was the correct one anyway.

'Course, I learned my Morse code

That's one of the nice things about Morse, no Phonetics...

when Truman was pres.

Well the closest to Truman I can come is my 1947 Callbook. It would have
been
'John Thomas Mary' using that books ARRL list. That was only slightly
different
from 'John Tom Mary' in the "Western Union Key Words" phonetics for
amateurs in
my 1934 Callbook. However in the 1973 Callbook the "ARRL adopted
International
Civil Aviation Organization" phonetics list had changed things completely
to
'Juliet Tango Mike'. So what the hey, maybe we can get Nectar in
officially
someday. ;)

"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote in message
news:Oaawc.39467$oi5.27584@fed1read07...

A precursor of the present alphabet (1952?) had: Alfa Coca
Metro Nectar Siera Union Whisky Extra

That's the one my Dad used on his aircraft radio in his Cessna 120 back in
1952 or so. The aircraft registration number was 1927 Nectar.

Rich
N7FXR

Hi all, and greetings from Austria

"LRod" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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| On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:26:07 -0700, "Rich S."
| wrote:
|
| I remember a lot of the different phonetics used and "Tare" (Dave spelled
it
| Tere and I just copied what he wrote) was common for "T". "Nan"
"November"
| or "Nectar" for "N" and I seem to remember "Marie" or "Mary" for "M".
|
| 'Course, I learned my Morse code when Truman was pres.
|
| Interestingly, one of the messages from this newsgroup that I have
| archived is about phonetic alphabets. You probably learned this one:
|
| Pre-1954 U.S. Navy Radio Alphabet:
|
| (Communications Handbook, 1945)
|
| Able Baker Charlie Dog Easy Fox George How Item Jig King
| Love Mike Nan Oboe Peter Queen Roger Sugar Tare Uncle Victor
| William X-ray Yoke Zebra

This might have been the same "spirit" which drove the other poster out of
the bed and to the window, to see the meteor, got me to read this thread.

Tonight, I watched a TV-documentation of the preparation for D-Day through
BBC TV. They showed a map of the Normandy, actually a plan for the landing,
where all of the different sectors like omaha, sword and utah, were
subdivided for with the same phonetics, I just remember oboe, peter, queen
.......

|
| I cut-and-pasted this from the original post.
|
| When I retired from the FAA in 1997 after 30 years, there were still
| occasions when I'd hear a couple of those (not counting the ones like
| Victor and X-Ray that are also on the ICAO list).
|
| - -
| LRod
|
| Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
|
| Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
|
| http://www.woodbutcher.net

73 de OE8SOQ, a late night NG reader (local time 02:53 am)

"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote:
Also from the same website:
A precursor of the present alphabet (1952?) had: Alfa Coca
Metro Nectar Siera Union Whisky Extra


"Extra" for X? That's a weird one!

Art N2AH