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ARRL members, I need your help...[snip]

OK, OK, OK I'll bite just a bit...

"Slow Code" wrote in message
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"Steve N." wrote in
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Slow,
It's is a shame you have to:

1- talk like this and
2- have so little respect for others and
3- have no ability to rationally discuss prows and cons complex issues
and 4- have a poor understanding of what makes a good ham and
5- have so little understanding some real-world practical aspects of
this issue and most importantly...
6- show such poor ham characteristics.
7- and probably have so little real knowledge of ham radio, is my guess.
and
8- be a troll

If you're also a 20 WPM extra, then we can easily do without your
immature attitudes and behaviors here and on the bands.

Hey guys! it is also a shame you get drawn into these types and feed
their small minds.

73, Steve, K9DCI

Yes, Yes, yes,
but what are your thoughts on the following:

No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass
all elements required for their license class.

sc,

Lesee... Well, I believe you have some discussable concepts here.

In other areas there are currency requirements. Flying, for example. If
you haven't kept up, you need refresher flights with an instructor. We
first try to outline what is gained / lost over time and whether re-testing
can address these issues. Old timers will be required to learn about QPSK
and all the modern concepts.

Then we go from here.

One general area you seem to fail to address is some of the practical
aspects regarding number of licensees and the viability of retaining the
Amateur Service all together. If the number of Hams keeps declining, will
there be ANY licenses...and do you (in general) want to preserve something,
or kill it all if numbers fall, manufacturers stop producing products,
etc... This can not be ignored in the rest of the discussions.

I know Extras who couldn't build a thing, yet are active, intelligent and
law abiding. They have interest I can discuss with them. I also know
no-code'ers that are the most serious hams around...not to mention several
that came from CB and are now died-in-the-wool-hams.
I also hear Extras on the air that should aim for a tree the next time they
drive a car.

Is learning CW a "right of passage" and an effort that helps to strengthen
the Ham...yes...for some. Does it guarantee an excellent, expert Ham? Not
by a long shot. That comes from elsewhere.

However, based on the post of yours that I responded to, I choose not to
go further since you have demonstrated such a poor attitude, I feel it is
not worth the time exploring with you. Ill pick more important battles.
Enjoy your Hamm activities (if you have any) and be content. you brand or
devisiveness accompliches nothing except, perhaps allowing a few of the
responders to vent and possibly hear (though by accident) some reasonable
points.

Do you have a call, name? With a pseudonym like yours, I'd think you'dbe on
the other side. What are you affraid of?

73, Steve K9DCI

The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%.

How about the licence grade depending on the score? How about much
more strict requirements for on-air procedure. I hear many who have
licenses and still don't know how to communicate efficiently in emergency
drills or ID properly.

Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra.

CW only was a requirement due to international treaty in the first
place. That is no longer the case. You are clrarly hung up on CW. WHY?
What does it bring / guarantee? Why is CW so much more important that all
other aspects of on-air operation?

Make the no-code Tech license one year non-renewable.

This still comes directly from the "CW or nothing" concept.
73 (in the truest sense)

ARRL members, I need your help. Friggen low-life scum.

ARRL members, I need your help...[snip]

"Steve N." wrote in
:

OK, OK, OK I'll bite just a bit...

"Slow Code" wrote in message
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"Steve N." wrote in
:

Slow,
It's is a shame you have to:

1- talk like this and
2- have so little respect for others and
3- have no ability to rationally discuss prows and cons complex
issues and 4- have a poor understanding of what makes a good ham and
5- have so little understanding some real-world practical aspects of
this issue and most importantly...
6- show such poor ham characteristics.
7- and probably have so little real knowledge of ham radio, is my
guess. and
8- be a troll

If you're also a 20 WPM extra, then we can easily do without your
immature attitudes and behaviors here and on the bands.

Hey guys! it is also a shame you get drawn into these types and feed
their small minds.

73, Steve, K9DCI

Yes, Yes, yes,
but what are your thoughts on the following:

No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass
all elements required for their license class.

sc,

Lesee... Well, I believe you have some discussable concepts here.

In other areas there are currency requirements. Flying, for example.
If
you haven't kept up, you need refresher flights with an instructor. We
first try to outline what is gained / lost over time and whether
re-testing can address these issues. Old timers will be required to
learn about QPSK and all the modern concepts.

Then we go from here.

One general area you seem to fail to address is some of the practical
aspects regarding number of licensees and the viability of retaining the
Amateur Service all together. If the number of Hams keeps declining,
will there be ANY licenses...and do you (in general) want to preserve
something, or kill it all if numbers fall, manufacturers stop producing
products, etc... This can not be ignored in the rest of the
discussions.

I know Extras who couldn't build a thing, yet are active, intelligent
and law abiding. They have interest I can discuss with them. I also
know no-code'ers that are the most serious hams around...not to mention
several that came from CB and are now died-in-the-wool-hams.
I also hear Extras on the air that should aim for a tree the next time
they drive a car.

Is learning CW a "right of passage" and an effort that helps to
strengthen the Ham...yes...for some. Does it guarantee an excellent,
expert Ham? Not by a long shot. That comes from elsewhere.

However, based on the post of yours that I responded to, I choose
not to
go further since you have demonstrated such a poor attitude, I feel it
is not worth the time exploring with you. Ill pick more important
battles. Enjoy your Hamm activities (if you have any) and be content.
you brand or devisiveness accompliches nothing except, perhaps allowing
a few of the responders to vent and possibly hear (though by accident)
some reasonable points.

Do you have a call, name? With a pseudonym like yours, I'd think
you'dbe on the other side. What are you affraid of?

73, Steve K9DCI

The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%.

How about the licence grade depending on the score? How about
much
more strict requirements for on-air procedure. I hear many who have
licenses and still don't know how to communicate efficiently in
emergency drills or ID properly.

Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra.

CW only was a requirement due to international treaty in the
first
place. That is no longer the case. You are clrarly hung up on CW.
WHY? What does it bring / guarantee? Why is CW so much more important
that all other aspects of on-air operation?

Make the no-code Tech license one year non-renewable.

This still comes directly from the "CW or nothing" concept.
73 (in the truest sense)

My arguement has always been for the quality of the hams. You appreciate
something more that you had to work to achieve, and respect the rewards
it gives.

Cheapening something makes it disposable. Ham numbers are declining.

sc

ARRL members, I need your help...[snip]

Slow Code wrote:
"Steve N." wrote in
:

OK, OK, OK I'll bite just a bit...

This still comes directly from the "CW or nothing" concept.
73 (in the truest sense)

My arguement has always been for the quality of the hams. You appreciate
something more that you had to work to achieve, and respect the rewards
it gives.
you arguement is false

I value things based on their proifit to me

My tech license is higher profitable becuase it took little to get and
get me a lot

Cheapening something makes it disposable.
how is making testing reflect reality cheapening?
Ham numbers are declining.
becuase of age mostly

hams are litterly dying off

sc

ARRL members, I need your help. Friggen low-life scum.

On 2006-05-25, Slow Code wrote:

to be a ham now days, so licensing requirements have to be low in order to
help keep our numbers up. They won't work for a license.

I don't think that's entirely true. I'm working for my license.
Learning code, radio and antenna theory, SMT, and every other thing I
can think of. Got an ARRL Handbook ('91), a cheapo hand key, and a G.
West test book. Do I think code should be required? Yes. IMO,
knowing what I'm doing is what being a ham is all about. Knowing code
is part of that. In fact, with the possible spread of BPL, CW may
again become the only way to punch through. If I just wanted to press
a button and yap, I'd buy a CB or a cellphone.

nb

ARRL members, I need your help.

ARRL members, I need your help...[snip]

Slow,
Can you address any of my comments in my previous, or here ?

My arguement has always been for the quality of the hams.

OK. Given this, is it true that everything else is unimportant to you -
only the quality? [there always have been jerks around.]

You appreciate something more that you had to work to achieve, and respect
the rewards
it gives.

I think I can agree with this. Give a kid a car or whatever, and he's
more likely to treat it badly. Make him work for it and he appreciates the
value and shows the appropriate care with it..

Cheapening something makes it disposable.

Yea.... I understand that having to do the CW thing is more work and
more likely that the licence will be valued, but what about putting the
prospective ham through other, more rigorous hoops, like electronic theory,
emcom, etc. Why won't more modern "hoops" work the same way to bolster the
individual's respect for the service?

Ham numbers are declining.

I believe this is true, but what is you reason for stating this? Are you
glad this is happening or sad or indifferent?

73, Steve, K9DCI