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Peter Wieck May 22nd 06 04:34 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the
background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay
has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This
is based on several assumptions which I will list for
correction/addition/amplification:

a) the west, southwest and south in general suffer from a dearth of
good radios. This has been the case for the over 20 years I have been
in the hobby and remains the case today. Exceptions include Florida &
Maryland... stretch to make MD a 'southern' state although it is below
the Mason/Dixon line.
b) the Pacific northwest suffers from the same lack to a lesser degree.


With this in mind, eBay has always been a presence in areas where the
natural crop is limited or non-existent. This group will typically have
a view of radios that is wildly distorted in price, as they start with
the "everything costs $15" mentality based on shipping alone.

As one moves east especially into (former) wealthier parts of it, and
around older major cities (Chicago, Minneapolis, Detroit and so forth),
radios become thicker and thicker until one hits the East Coast, where
even the most limited multi-family garage sale will offer a few
examples of *something* loosely described as being related to the
hobby. Then, at Kutztown, the typical $30+shipping eBay brown bakelite
radio goes in the $15-if-that range at the end-of-meet auction. And the
$229-for-a-common-RCA (albeit polished to glow-in-the-dark proportions)
simply does not happen.

So, it is "all according to" location and opportunity. Kutztown is a
free-to-the-public event held at a major Farmers' Market/Antique Market
that also has weekly tables for anyone selling. Accordingly its
attendance is disproportionately large and consists of a
disproportionate amount of the "general public" walking through out of
curiosity and because they were 'there anyway'. This would not happen
at a destination-event if only because of the lack of general publicity
as much as the uninterested public would never go nor have any reason
to even be proximate that they might go. And, of course, the admission
fee would deter those few that did happen to be straggling nearby.

I will also state for the record that Kutztown had _at least_ thousands
of radios in all states, of all types and in all price ranges, from
high-end, high-tube-count consoles through lovingly restored tabletops
through standard junk. The peripheral events are limited... no
hotel-banquet-hall lectures, but those few were directly on-point and
even of interest to non-radio people (The talk on Crystal sets, for
example).

So, from purely anecdotal evidence, it appears that those venues where
the general public is not actively solicited, those venues that are
'preaching to the converted' are shrinking. Those that do solicit the
general public, those that run at (apparently) a much lower key appear
to be growing. The two local examples would be the DVHRC-sponsored
events (Kutztown, PA) and the NJARC-sponsored events (Hazelet, NJ).
Those of you that go to the NEARC events in Nashua, New Hampshire...
how are they doing? I hear from some acquaintances that they are doing
quite well? And I also hear that Rochester is a mere shadow of its
former self? Is this true?

In any case, I remain of the general belief that eBay is not a
significant factor in the hobby to those in the east. And to those in
the west or out-of-range of large, older population centers, it has
_always_ been a factor, neither more nor less much than now.

The thoughts of others are actively solicited!

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA


Michael A. Terrell May 22nd 06 05:16 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
Peter Wieck wrote:

a) the west, southwest and south in general suffer from a dearth of
good radios. This has been the case for the over 20 years I have been
in the hobby and remains the case today. Exceptions include Florida &
Maryland... stretch to make MD a 'southern' state although it is below
the Mason/Dixon line.



According to the snowbirds from the New England area, Florida is the
southern tip of new England. :(


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

notbob May 22nd 06 06:01 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
On 2006-05-22, Peter Wieck wrote:

In any case, I remain of the general belief that eBay is not a
significant factor in the hobby to those in the east. And to those in
the west or out-of-range of large, older population centers, it has
_always_ been a factor, neither more nor less much than now.

The thoughts of others are actively solicited!


As a rank newbie (not even licensed, yet) I more or less have to
agree. Here in the San Francisco Bay Area (SFBA) where there are at
least a couple local ARC swap meets per month, I see none of the stuff
found on ebay in the way of classic old ham equipment. Hell, I can't
even find a used morse code key to practice on. I'm gonna hafta buy a
new Ameco from HRO. Not quite sure exactly why this is. Perhaps most
of SFBA ppl are all digitally oriented due to Silicon Valley being the
original hot-bed of digital. Whatever the reason, old Collins, Drake,
Heathkit, etc, rigs are rarer than cheap gas and low real estate
prices.

On the positive side of the ledger, due to the glory days of the late
great SV, there's hardly a man or woman alive in Northern California
that can't fly a Fluke or wield a mean Weller. I'll be flogging my
own acid-free flux and have already bought my first QRP kit with my
eye on another.

nb

DeserTBoB May 22nd 06 06:33 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
On Mon, 22 May 2006 16:16:51 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

According to the snowbirds from the New England area, Florida is the
southern tip of new England. :( snip


I thought the Noo Yawkuhs declared it an eighth borough. At least
they vote correctly!

Michael A. Terrell May 22nd 06 08:27 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
DeserTBoB wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2006 16:16:51 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

According to the snowbirds from the New England area, Florida is the
southern tip of new England. :( snip


I thought the Noo Yawkuhs declared it an eighth borough. At least
they vote correctly!



Ya think it migt be related to the huge infestation of them during
November?


--
My sig file can beat up your sig file!

John S. May 22nd 06 08:38 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 

Peter Wieck wrote:
After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the
background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay
has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This
is based on several assumptions which I will list for
correction/addition/amplification:



Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like
Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers
from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible
to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio.

To the extent that buyer and seller are honest (and most are) internet
sales work very well because money and the good to be sold have to be
moved only once.

It is for the exact same reason that in-person antique shows are having
a hard go of it.


Michael A. Terrell May 22nd 06 10:24 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
"John S." wrote:

Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like
Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers
from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible
to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio.



E-bay and other on line auctions can never replace spotting a part or
piece of equipment you need that isn't worth the dealers time to list,
or would cost too much to ship. More than once I've asked about
something and was told to take it, so they didn't have to haul it home.
I've never seen an E-bay listing giving something away, and paying the
shipping to your door.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

clfe May 22nd 06 10:55 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
"John S." wrote:

Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like
Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers
from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible
to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio.



E-bay and other on line auctions can never replace spotting a part or
piece of equipment you need that isn't worth the dealers time to list,
or would cost too much to ship. More than once I've asked about
something and was told to take it, so they didn't have to haul it home.
I've never seen an E-bay listing giving something away, and paying the
shipping to your door.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


You have a point there - not that I totally agree with the poster you
replied to. I've had some real bargains "handed" to me so they didn't have
to be hauled home.
Actually, each venue has its own place in life. Problem with Dayton and
other hamfests is between fuel costs and so on - there are more and more
factors involved keeping people away. Ham radio itself isn't what it used to
be. Then, some clubs who've had them - as I've heard it - had inner battles
as to how things are to be done and so on. So club politics played a part
along the line. I'm sure we could list many reasons for failures as they're
being seen. Question is, who has the "answers"? Times are changing. Things
change with time and I see it here in my own town - People DO NOT like
change. I'm sorry to see some things go too - but there's not much you can
do about some things.



John S. May 22nd 06 11:55 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
"John S." wrote:

Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like
Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers
from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible
to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio.



E-bay and other on line auctions can never replace spotting a part or
piece of equipment you need that isn't worth the dealers time to list,
or would cost too much to ship. More than once I've asked about
something and was told to take it, so they didn't have to haul it home.
I've never seen an E-bay listing giving something away, and paying the
shipping to your door.

Clearly Ebay and other internet sites won't completely replace in
person sales, be it a hamfest, garage sale or estate auction. But the
ease of bringing large numbers of buyers and sellers together via some
internet connection has had a significant impact on brick and mortar
operations. The ease of transacting a sale electronically be it for a
Kenwood 940 or a spinning wheel can't be ignored. And the sellers that
fail to react in some way will be left behind.


CAINE May 23rd 06 12:10 AM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
anything you see sitting at a flea market late in the day, was most
likely already tried on ebay, and didn't reach reserve, or got no bids.
sometimes you'll see stuff at flea markets that seems valuable, and
underpriced, and no one is biting

that's cuz the marketeers already know, that particular item is
hammered on ebay, too many listed, and the price is down- so they are
cutting their losses and just dumping it

marketeers will tell you, they'd rather sell it cheaper at the show,
than for slightly more on ebay- because of ebay and paypal fees, and
packaging work involved- and nitpicking assholes like DeserTBob on
EBay, who want gold for a penny and free shipping


Michael A. Terrell May 23rd 06 02:26 AM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
"John S." wrote:

Clearly Ebay and other internet sites won't completely replace in
person sales, be it a hamfest, garage sale or estate auction. But the
ease of bringing large numbers of buyers and sellers together via some
internet connection has had a significant impact on brick and mortar
operations. The ease of transacting a sale electronically be it for a
Kenwood 940 or a spinning wheel can't be ignored. And the sellers that
fail to react in some way will be left behind.



Yeah, right. What about the people who don't even have a computer,
or don't trust online transactions? They'll never go near E-bay.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Keith Park May 23rd 06 02:36 AM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
I think Peter is pretty much right with his observations, Project sets are
plentiful in the Northeast and upper mid west, and the West coast folks are
really desperate! I very seldom buy on ebay, but do keep a watch on things.
The only things I ever buy are large pickup only consoles that are close by.
Most of the Restored stuff I sell ends up in the deep south or on the west
coast, the Cost of living is so high in California that a Nice restoration
at Retail WITH shipping across country is still a bargain out there.

keith


"Peter Wieck" wrote in message
ps.com...
After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the
background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay
has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This
is based on several assumptions which I will list for
correction/addition/amplification:

a) the west, southwest and south in general suffer from a dearth of
good radios. This has been the case for the over 20 years I have been
in the hobby and remains the case today. Exceptions include Florida &
Maryland... stretch to make MD a 'southern' state although it is below
the Mason/Dixon line.
b) the Pacific northwest suffers from the same lack to a lesser degree.


With this in mind, eBay has always been a presence in areas where the
natural crop is limited or non-existent. This group will typically have
a view of radios that is wildly distorted in price, as they start with
the "everything costs $15" mentality based on shipping alone.

As one moves east especially into (former) wealthier parts of it, and
around older major cities (Chicago, Minneapolis, Detroit and so forth),
radios become thicker and thicker until one hits the East Coast, where
even the most limited multi-family garage sale will offer a few
examples of *something* loosely described as being related to the
hobby. Then, at Kutztown, the typical $30+shipping eBay brown bakelite
radio goes in the $15-if-that range at the end-of-meet auction. And the
$229-for-a-common-RCA (albeit polished to glow-in-the-dark proportions)
simply does not happen.

So, it is "all according to" location and opportunity. Kutztown is a
free-to-the-public event held at a major Farmers' Market/Antique Market
that also has weekly tables for anyone selling. Accordingly its
attendance is disproportionately large and consists of a
disproportionate amount of the "general public" walking through out of
curiosity and because they were 'there anyway'. This would not happen
at a destination-event if only because of the lack of general publicity
as much as the uninterested public would never go nor have any reason
to even be proximate that they might go. And, of course, the admission
fee would deter those few that did happen to be straggling nearby.

I will also state for the record that Kutztown had _at least_ thousands
of radios in all states, of all types and in all price ranges, from
high-end, high-tube-count consoles through lovingly restored tabletops
through standard junk. The peripheral events are limited... no
hotel-banquet-hall lectures, but those few were directly on-point and
even of interest to non-radio people (The talk on Crystal sets, for
example).

So, from purely anecdotal evidence, it appears that those venues where
the general public is not actively solicited, those venues that are
'preaching to the converted' are shrinking. Those that do solicit the
general public, those that run at (apparently) a much lower key appear
to be growing. The two local examples would be the DVHRC-sponsored
events (Kutztown, PA) and the NJARC-sponsored events (Hazelet, NJ).
Those of you that go to the NEARC events in Nashua, New Hampshire...
how are they doing? I hear from some acquaintances that they are doing
quite well? And I also hear that Rochester is a mere shadow of its
former self? Is this true?

In any case, I remain of the general belief that eBay is not a
significant factor in the hobby to those in the east. And to those in
the west or out-of-range of large, older population centers, it has
_always_ been a factor, neither more nor less much than now.

The thoughts of others are actively solicited!

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA




graham May 23rd 06 03:23 AM

Ebay & "The Market"
 

"CAINE" wrote in message
ups.com...

anything you see sitting at a flea market late in the day, was most
likely already tried on ebay, and didn't reach reserve, or got no bids.


.... that could be 79% of your stuff..

sometimes you'll see stuff at flea markets that seems valuable, and
underpriced, and no one is biting


.... that could be 79% of your stuff ...

that's cuz the marketeers already know, that particular item is
hammered on ebay, too many listed, and the price is down- so they are
cutting their losses and just dumping it


.... that could be, yes, you guessed it 79% of your stuff

marketeers will tell you, they'd rather sell it cheaper at the show,
than for slightly more on ebay- because of ebay and paypal fees, and
packaging work involved-


.... but reviewing your ebay sales verses your not sold items
maybe you should be a 'marketer' ...

nitpicking assholes like DeserTBob on
EBay, who want gold for a penny and free shipping


.... I'll give you a penny for all your 8 tracks for free shipping!!



Mark Oppat May 23rd 06 07:08 AM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
You cant touch or feel or converse as well with internet sales....nothing
beats the face to face events, if they are well run. In the antique radio
world, Extravaganza is one of the best, Bolingbrook is making a strong
comeback from the Elgin days, Charlotte is strong and Kutztown is
overflowing into the next pavilion.

All you have to do is have a good facility, be open to the general public
for free or little money, and promote your show like crazy. An enforced
set start time makes it more fair, as Extravaganza and Charlotte have
proved. The other two should consider that...

I sold at Dayton in '96 and '97. It was sliding down then even in my
opinion... I only sold about $1300 worth in two days... about half that
could be considered profit. Not worth it for what was essentially 4.5 days
worth of work (1 day loading, 2 days there, one day RT driving, half day
unloading). I had all tube era stuff.. tube sockets, capacitors, trimmers,
Ham type tubes, etc, etc. All the guys stolling by had "Rice Boxes"
strapped to their belts and didnt know which end of a soldering iron to
hold. One guy even held up an old RCA 811 tube to show his buddy and said
"I remember when we used to use these things!" His buddy'd never seen a
tube I think, and he was about 35, this being back in '96.
I had 100 pc bags of mylar and filter caps priced lower than anywhere, and I
mean ANYWHERE. Still do.

Mark Oppat


"John S." wrote in message
oups.com...

Peter Wieck wrote:
After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the
background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay
has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This
is based on several assumptions which I will list for
correction/addition/amplification:



Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like
Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers
from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible
to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio.

To the extent that buyer and seller are honest (and most are) internet
sales work very well because money and the good to be sold have to be
moved only once.

It is for the exact same reason that in-person antique shows are having
a hard go of it.






clifto May 23rd 06 06:54 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
Mark Oppat wrote:
I had 100 pc bags of mylar and filter caps priced lower than anywhere, and I
mean ANYWHERE. Still do.


I picked up two 100-piece bags of .1 uF bypass caps for fifty cents apiece
at American Science & Surplus a while back. That's more the exception
than the rule there, though, because they usually know pretty much what
items are worth.

--
Britney Spears' Guide to Semiconductor Physics
http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm

Steven May 24th 06 12:37 AM

Ebay & "The Market"
 

John S. wrote:
Peter Wieck wrote:
After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the
background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay
has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This
is based on several assumptions which I will list for
correction/addition/amplification:



Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like
Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers
from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible
to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio.

To the extent that buyer and seller are honest (and most are) internet
sales work very well because money and the good to be sold have to be
moved only once.

It is for the exact same reason that in-person antique shows are having
a hard go of it.


eBay rarely enters into my search for antiques and it anything has
sharpened my abilities to find local goods.


John S. May 30th 06 02:51 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
"John S." wrote:

Clearly Ebay and other internet sites won't completely replace in
person sales, be it a hamfest, garage sale or estate auction. But the
ease of bringing large numbers of buyers and sellers together via some
internet connection has had a significant impact on brick and mortar
operations. The ease of transacting a sale electronically be it for a
Kenwood 940 or a spinning wheel can't be ignored. And the sellers that
fail to react in some way will be left behind.



Yeah, right. What about the people who don't even have a computer,
or don't trust online transactions? They'll never go near E-bay.



They will be left in the dust. I suppose those who don't have a
computer or don't trust online transactions could try setting up an
ether-based net using morse code. I suspect that it will be largely
one-way communications though.




--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida



Steven May 30th 06 02:55 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
I suppose next you'll attack yard sales. You're despicable.


Michael A. Terrell May 30th 06 06:28 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
"John S." wrote:

They will be left in the dust. I suppose those who don't have a
computer or don't trust online transactions could try setting up an
ether-based net using morse code. I suspect that it will be largely
one-way communications though.



Like yours. Welcome to the bit bucket.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Dr. Anton T. Squeegee May 31st 06 05:59 AM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
In article om,
(known to some as Peter Wieck) scribed...

After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the
background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay
has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This
is based on several assumptions which I will list for
correction/addition/amplification:


snippety

My own observations on Greed-bay vs. hamateur swap meets (and swap
meets catering to electronics in general) may be found here (shameless
plug alert!)

http://www.bluefeathertech.com/technoid/Scrounger.html


--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR)
http://www.bluefeathertech.com -- kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t calm
"Salvadore Dali's computer has surreal ports..."

Roger May 31st 06 06:20 AM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
On Mon, 22 May 2006 16:16:51 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Peter Wieck wrote:

a) the west, southwest and south in general suffer from a dearth of
good radios. This has been the case for the over 20 years I have been
in the hobby and remains the case today. Exceptions include Florida &
Maryland... stretch to make MD a 'southern' state although it is below
the Mason/Dixon line.



According to the snowbirds from the New England area, Florida is the
southern tip of new England. :(



Michigan!

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger May 31st 06 06:23 AM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
On 30 May 2006 06:55:19 -0700, "Steven"
wrote:

I suppose next you'll attack yard sales. You're despicable.


Who? You didn't include any quote to know to whom you are referring
and these posts don't necessarily fall in the expected order.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Michael A. Terrell May 31st 06 12:20 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
Roger wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2006 16:16:51 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

According to the snowbirds from the New England area, Florida is the
southern tip of new England. :(


Michigan!



I do see a few Michigan plates around here, but most are New York,
New Jersey, and New Hampshire. There are also a few Ohio, Indiana,
Kentucky and Pennsylvania plates. Of course they've all left for the
summer, because its too hot for them.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

John S. May 31st 06 01:59 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 

Roger wrote:
On 30 May 2006 06:55:19 -0700, "Steven"
wrote:

I suppose next you'll attack yard sales. You're despicable.


Who? You didn't include any quote to know to whom you are referring
and these posts don't necessarily fall in the expected order.


Resort them by thread by using Google reader. Some of the off-line
readers do a poor job of tracking threads.



Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com



John S. May 31st 06 02:03 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
"John S." wrote:

They will be left in the dust. I suppose those who don't have a
computer or don't trust online transactions could try setting up an
ether-based net using morse code. I suspect that it will be largely
one-way communications though.





Like yours.


Like yours???? To increase the chances someone will understand you
try writing in complete sentences.



Welcome to the bit bucket.

Thanks for the welcome, but I won't be staying. I take it you are in
charge of the bit bucket?




--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida



Steven May 31st 06 02:03 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 

John S. wrote:
Roger wrote:
On 30 May 2006 06:55:19 -0700, "Steven"
wrote:

I suppose next you'll attack yard sales. You're despicable.


Who? You didn't include any quote to know to whom you are referring
and these posts don't necessarily fall in the expected order.


Resort them by thread by using Google reader. Some of the off-line
readers do a poor job of tracking threads.



Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


It was John S. when he posted on the 30th I was replying to. Mike
plonked him.

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Too_Many_Tools June 2nd 06 05:11 AM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
"An enforced set start time makes it more fair, as Extravaganza and
Charlotte have
proved. The other two should consider that... "

Well said....the greedy *******s who shop before the starting gun have
been responsible for more people not coming back than anyone wants to
admit.

And the clueless sellers who feed these buzzards are fools since it is
clear that they could get more money for thier wares if they would wait
till the starting time and raise their prices.

TMT


Mark Oppat wrote:
You cant touch or feel or converse as well with internet sales....nothing
beats the face to face events, if they are well run. In the antique radio
world, Extravaganza is one of the best, Bolingbrook is making a strong
comeback from the Elgin days, Charlotte is strong and Kutztown is
overflowing into the next pavilion.

All you have to do is have a good facility, be open to the general public
for free or little money, and promote your show like crazy. An enforced
set start time makes it more fair, as Extravaganza and Charlotte have
proved. The other two should consider that...

I sold at Dayton in '96 and '97. It was sliding down then even in my
opinion... I only sold about $1300 worth in two days... about half that
could be considered profit. Not worth it for what was essentially 4.5 days
worth of work (1 day loading, 2 days there, one day RT driving, half day
unloading). I had all tube era stuff.. tube sockets, capacitors, trimmers,
Ham type tubes, etc, etc. All the guys stolling by had "Rice Boxes"
strapped to their belts and didnt know which end of a soldering iron to
hold. One guy even held up an old RCA 811 tube to show his buddy and said
"I remember when we used to use these things!" His buddy'd never seen a
tube I think, and he was about 35, this being back in '96.
I had 100 pc bags of mylar and filter caps priced lower than anywhere, and I
mean ANYWHERE. Still do.

Mark Oppat


"John S." wrote in message
oups.com...

Peter Wieck wrote:
After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the
background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay
has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This
is based on several assumptions which I will list for
correction/addition/amplification:



Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like
Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers
from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible
to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio.

To the extent that buyer and seller are honest (and most are) internet
sales work very well because money and the good to be sold have to be
moved only once.

It is for the exact same reason that in-person antique shows are having
a hard go of it.




Steven June 2nd 06 06:36 AM

Ebay & "The Market"
 

Roger wrote:
On 30 May 2006 06:55:19 -0700, "Steven"
wrote:

I suppose next you'll attack yard sales. You're despicable.


Who? You didn't include any quote to know to whom you are referring
and these posts don't necessarily fall in the expected order.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


It was a joke anyway. Use Google. I can't keep a scorecard on a thread
with 102+ posts either...



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