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Slow Code June 27th 06 01:45 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 
Did a lot of Elmering too, but that's what ham radio is about. Also glad
that we weren't outnumbered by appliance operators. With them, when a
computer goes down it's like the end of the world.

sc



an old friend June 27th 06 02:14 AM

get help
 

Slow Code wrote:
Did a lot of Elmering too, but that's what ham radio is about.

nah you can't nobody could learn much with manner


[email protected] June 27th 06 12:32 PM

Retard Mark spam
 

an old friend wrote:
Slow Code wrote:
Did a lot of Elmering too, but that's what ham radio is about.

nah you can't nobody could learn much with manner

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You sure didn't learn English, retard.


J. D. B. June 27th 06 01:49 PM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned fromus dinosaurs.
 
I know what you mean about Elmering. Many of the new hams had to Elmer
the old CW only hams who had no idea how to operate a computer or even
use all the great new digital modes. Some of the dinos had trouble
trying to figure out the solid state rigs. They kept looking around for
things to tune like it was some boat anchor tube rig - LOL!!!

It's amazing how the dinos can operate a key, but they can't get the
hang of a mouse. We eventually had to give up. Can't teach the old dogs
new tricks so the younger and newer hams used the digital modes and the
old dinos stuck to their CW.

Although the CW types were amazed how PSK31 could be copied even when
you could not hear the other station. They admitted that you can't copy
CW if you cannot hear it.

I think we made a lot of progress on FD. Finally the dinos admitted that
there are modes that are better and more capable than CW.

One old guy even said we should give up on the CW testing and test new
hams how to use a computer and the new digital modes and that was more
relevant for today's ham radio.

Slow Code wrote:
Did a lot of Elmering too, but that's what ham radio is about. Also glad
that we weren't outnumbered by appliance operators. With them, when a
computer goes down it's like the end of the world.

sc



Detroit CW June 27th 06 02:33 PM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 
"J. D. B." wrote:

I know what you mean about Elmering. Many of the new hams had to Elmer
the old CW only hams who had no idea how to operate a computer or even
use all the great new digital modes. Some of the dinos had trouble
trying to figure out the solid state rigs. They kept looking around for
things to tune like it was some boat anchor tube rig - LOL!!!

It's amazing how the dinos can operate a key, but they can't get the
hang of a mouse. We eventually had to give up. Can't teach the old dogs
new tricks so the younger and newer hams used the digital modes and the
old dinos stuck to their CW.


Same is true of some musicians. The older ones
just don't get computers, but they sure can wail up
a Force 5 hurricane on those old analog axes.


Although the CW types were amazed how PSK31 could be copied even when
you could not hear the other station. They admitted that you can't copy
CW if you cannot hear it.

I think we made a lot of progress on FD. Finally the dinos admitted that
there are modes that are better and more capable than CW.

One old guy even said we should give up on the CW testing and test new
hams how to use a computer and the new digital modes and that was more
relevant for today's ham radio.


Teach kids to cut-and-paste lip-sync trash
with a mouse before we teach them about
JL Hooker? Nah, that's not for me.
I'll hang with the old bands.


Slow Code wrote:
Did a lot of Elmering too, but that's what ham radio is about. Also glad
that we weren't outnumbered by appliance operators. With them, when a
computer goes down it's like the end of the world.

sc





Cecil Moore June 27th 06 06:42 PM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned fromus dinosaurs.
 
Slow Code wrote:
Did a lot of Elmering too, but that's what ham radio is about. Also glad
that we weren't outnumbered by appliance operators. With them, when a
computer goes down it's like the end of the world.


While you, OTOH, when your hardware fails, simply drag out
the signaling flags, mirrors, and smoke signals?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

an old friend June 27th 06 08:32 PM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
Slow Code wrote:
Did a lot of Elmering too, but that's what ham radio is about. Also glad
that we weren't outnumbered by appliance operators. With them, when a
computer goes down it's like the end of the world.


While you, OTOH, when your hardware fails, simply drag out
the signaling flags, mirrors, and smoke signals?

nah bateries and wrenchs
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



Dee Flint June 27th 06 11:05 PM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 
Not a very good attempt at trolling. I know absolutely no one like the
people you describe.

"J. D. B." wrote in message
...
I know what you mean about Elmering. Many of the new hams had to Elmer the
old CW only hams who had no idea how to operate a computer or even use all
the great new digital modes. Some of the dinos had trouble trying to
figure out the solid state rigs. They kept looking around for things to
tune like it was some boat anchor tube rig - LOL!!!


Everyone operated solid state and semi-solid state rigs with no problems.
All knew how to operate the computers.


It's amazing how the dinos can operate a key, but they can't get the hang
of a mouse. We eventually had to give up. Can't teach the old dogs new
tricks so the younger and newer hams used the digital modes and the old
dinos stuck to their CW.


Not at our site. It's the older hams that have the expertise in connecting
the computers to the radios.

Although the CW types were amazed how PSK31 could be copied even when you
could not hear the other station. They admitted that you can't copy CW if
you cannot hear it.

I think we made a lot of progress on FD. Finally the dinos admitted that
there are modes that are better and more capable than CW.


Any really experienced ham knows that each and every mode has conditions
under which it is "the best". Ever try to work PSK when the auroras are
running wild? Digital won't get through but CW will and occasionally even
voice will get through even though all the digital modes fail.

You must have a very weird club.

One old guy even said we should give up on the CW testing and test new
hams how to use a computer and the new digital modes and that was more
relevant for today's ham radio.


I doubt it. Computers are nice (I use one all the time) but they are not
one of the basics.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



[email protected] June 28th 06 01:13 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
Slow Code wrote:
Did a lot of Elmering too, but that's what ham radio is about. Also glad
that we weren't outnumbered by appliance operators. With them, when a
computer goes down it's like the end of the world.


While you, OTOH, when your hardware fails, simply drag out
the signaling flags, mirrors, and smoke signals?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


He's not just Slow Code, he's slow everything, especially on the uptake.


an old freind June 28th 06 04:22 PM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 

J. D. B. wrote:
Dee, I guess you need to get out more and make some friends. These
people are all around.

Dee Flint wrote:
Not a very good attempt at trolling. I know absolutely no one like the
people you describe.

indeed Dee does seem to have a vvery limtied circle


Slow Code June 29th 06 01:50 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 
"J. D. B." wrote in
:

I know what you mean about Elmering. Many of the new hams had to Elmer
the old CW only hams who had no idea how to operate a computer or even
use all the great new digital modes. Some of the dinos had trouble
trying to figure out the solid state rigs. They kept looking around for
things to tune like it was some boat anchor tube rig - LOL!!!

It's amazing how the dinos can operate a key, but they can't get the
hang of a mouse. We eventually had to give up. Can't teach the old dogs
new tricks so the younger and newer hams used the digital modes and the
old dinos stuck to their CW.

Although the CW types were amazed how PSK31 could be copied even when
you could not hear the other station. They admitted that you can't copy
CW if you cannot hear it.

I think we made a lot of progress on FD. Finally the dinos admitted that
there are modes that are better and more capable than CW.

One old guy even said we should give up on the CW testing and test new
hams how to use a computer and the new digital modes and that was more
relevant for today's ham radio.



I know you're right.

They where doing great until the computers crashed then the new hams
looked at us old hams, blank stares on their faces wondering what to do.
They thought Field day was over at the point. Then us dino's took over
and showed them what ham radio really was. Some nickle extra's even said
they were going practice building their code skills again. They saw you
can work stations on code that you can't work on phone or PSK31. We
taught them how to solder on PL-259s and tune portable antenna & trim wire
antennas.

We laughed when they lifted up the tri-bander and then had to take it down
again to connect up the coax. That was funny.

SC

Slow Code June 29th 06 01:50 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 
Cecil Moore wrote in
et:

Slow Code wrote:
Did a lot of Elmering too, but that's what ham radio is about. Also
glad that we weren't outnumbered by appliance operators. With them,
when a computer goes down it's like the end of the world.


While you, OTOH, when your hardware fails, simply drag out
the signaling flags, mirrors, and smoke signals?



I'll get back to you on that one. I've never been in a situation where I
couldn't produce RF and commmunicate. When it finally does happen, I'll
let you know if it was flags, mirrors, or smoke signals.

sc

Slow Code June 29th 06 01:50 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 
wrote in
ups.com:


Cecil Moore wrote:
Slow Code wrote:
Did a lot of Elmering too, but that's what ham radio is about. Also
glad that we weren't outnumbered by appliance operators. With them,
when a computer goes down it's like the end of the world.


While you, OTOH, when your hardware fails, simply drag out
the signaling flags, mirrors, and smoke signals?
--
73, Cecil
http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

He's not just Slow Code, he's slow everything, especially on the uptake.




Yes, but I'm still faster than you.

sc



an old friend June 29th 06 02:03 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 

Slow Code wrote:
wrote in
ups.com:


He's not just Slow Code, he's slow everything, especially on the uptake.




Yes, but I'm still faster than you.

nope

sc



Cecil Moore June 29th 06 03:18 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned fromus dinosaurs.
 
Slow Code wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote in
While you, OTOH, when your hardware fails, simply drag out
the signaling flags, mirrors, and smoke signals?


I'll get back to you on that one. I've never been in a situation where I
couldn't produce RF and commmunicate. When it finally does happen, I'll
let you know if it was flags, mirrors, or smoke signals.


Oh yeah, I forgot, only the SSB portion of a transceiver's
electronics ever fails. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Tom Ring June 29th 06 03:21 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned fromus dinosaurs.
 
Slow Code wrote:


He's not just Slow Code, he's slow everything, especially on the uptake.





Yes, but I'm still faster than you.

sc



And won't tell you who he is. Chicken **** seems an appropriate
description.

Although I'd bet I can find out who it is. I won't bother, but it isn't
all that hard if you know the ISP business. And since that's what I do
for a living...

tom
K0TAR

an_old_friend June 29th 06 03:26 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
Slow Code wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote in
While you, OTOH, when your hardware fails, simply drag out
the signaling flags, mirrors, and smoke signals?


I'll get back to you on that one. I've never been in a situation where I
couldn't produce RF and commmunicate. When it finally does happen, I'll
let you know if it was flags, mirrors, or smoke signals.


Oh yeah, I forgot, only the SSB portion of a transceiver's
electronics ever fails. :-)

nah the Am and Fm parts fail too

Only the CW never fails
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



Slow Code June 30th 06 12:37 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 
Cecil Moore wrote in
om:

Slow Code wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote in
While you, OTOH, when your hardware fails, simply drag out
the signaling flags, mirrors, and smoke signals?


I'll get back to you on that one. I've never been in a situation where
I couldn't produce RF and commmunicate. When it finally does happen,
I'll let you know if it was flags, mirrors, or smoke signals.


Oh yeah, I forgot, only the SSB portion of a transceiver's
electronics ever fails. :-)



That's generally when you find out your rig might need repair, when
someone reports your audio is distorted or garbled.

SC

Slow June 30th 06 12:37 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 
Tom Ring wrote in
:

Slow Code wrote:


He's not just Slow Code, he's slow everything, especially on the
uptake.





Yes, but I'm still faster than you.

sc



And won't tell you who he is. Chicken **** seems an appropriate
description.

Although I'd bet I can find out who it is. I won't bother, but it isn't
all that hard if you know the ISP business. And since that's what I do
for a living...

tom
K0TAR



I'm really happy the FCC eliminated the 20 wpm Code requirement so you
could get your Extra.

sc

Tom Ring June 30th 06 01:24 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned fromus dinosaurs.
 
Slow wrote:
Tom Ring wrote in
:


Slow Code wrote:


He's not just Slow Code, he's slow everything, especially on the
uptake.




Yes, but I'm still faster than you.

sc



And won't tell you who he is. Chicken **** seems an appropriate
description.

Although I'd bet I can find out who it is. I won't bother, but it isn't
all that hard if you know the ISP business. And since that's what I do
for a living...

tom
K0TAR




I'm really happy the FCC eliminated the 20 wpm Code requirement so you
could get your Extra.

sc


I'm really happy that good programmers let idiots have access to the
internet instead of keeping them off like they should be. Of course,
I'm not talking about you.

tom
K0TAR

Tom Ring June 30th 06 01:29 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned fromus dinosaurs.
 
Slow wrote:

Tom Ring wrote in
:


Slow Code wrote:


He's not just Slow Code, he's slow everything, especially on the
uptake.




Yes, but I'm still faster than you.

sc



And won't tell you who he is. Chicken **** seems an appropriate
description.

Although I'd bet I can find out who it is. I won't bother, but it isn't
all that hard if you know the ISP business. And since that's what I do
for a living...

tom
K0TAR




I'm really happy the FCC eliminated the 20 wpm Code requirement so you
could get your Extra.

sc


Are you sure I don't know 20?

And with that you join another idiot.

PLONK!


Cecil Moore June 30th 06 01:47 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned fromus dinosaurs.
 
Slow Code wrote:
That's generally when you find out your rig might need repair, when
someone reports your audio is distorted or garbled.


I invariably find out my rig needs repair when the
finals blow.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

J. D. B. June 30th 06 12:26 PM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned fromus dinosaurs.
 
Wow, you guys must have been part of the most ignorant group of
individuals ever put on this earth using the most crappy computers and
equipment. All the computers crashed? Wow, how could that have happened?

I am surprised that the newbies are still using ham radio after hanging
around with you dinos. Computers broke down and you could not help fix
them. That's right, the computers don't run on tubes and that is the
extent of your knowledge as dinos.

Now anyone that uses PSK knows that you can work a station that you
cannot hear with the human ear. Anyone that knows CW knows that you
have to hear CW in order to copy it. So as a dino, you are showing your
ignorance of technology and probably have never heard, seen or used PSK
or you would never have made that statement.

My Field Day group had a good laugh when I pointed out your message to
them. They said you obviously don't know what you are talking about -
at least concerning anything modern.

So you old, used up, worthless dinos laughed at the newbies, belittled
them, and you could not fix or use anything modern. And you think those
newbies are going to stick with ham radio? Probably not. Old thinking
buggy whip hams like yourself need to stay locked in your shacks talking
only with other dinos about your illnesses and the like, and stay away
from the younger technology savy crowd as they might be really
interested in ham radio and your old crap is going to scare them away.

They don't want to learn about buggy whips when they are interested in
driving a modern car - get it old timer?

Slow Code wrote:


I know you're right.

They where doing great until the computers crashed then the new hams
looked at us old hams, blank stares on their faces wondering what to do.
They thought Field day was over at the point. Then us dino's took over
and showed them what ham radio really was. Some nickle extra's even said
they were going practice building their code skills again. They saw you
can work stations on code that you can't work on phone or PSK31. We
taught them how to solder on PL-259s and tune portable antenna & trim wire
antennas.

We laughed when they lifted up the tri-bander and then had to take it down
again to connect up the coax. That was funny.

SC


Slow Code July 1st 06 12:21 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 
"J. D. B." wrote in
:

Wow, you guys must have been part of the most ignorant group of
individuals ever put on this earth using the most crappy computers and
equipment. All the computers crashed? Wow, how could that have
happened?

I am surprised that the newbies are still using ham radio after hanging
around with you dinos. Computers broke down and you could not help fix
them. That's right, the computers don't run on tubes and that is the
extent of your knowledge as dinos.

Now anyone that uses PSK knows that you can work a station that you
cannot hear with the human ear. Anyone that knows CW knows that you
have to hear CW in order to copy it. So as a dino, you are showing your
ignorance of technology and probably have never heard, seen or used PSK
or you would never have made that statement.

My Field Day group had a good laugh when I pointed out your message to
them. They said you obviously don't know what you are talking about -
at least concerning anything modern.

So you old, used up, worthless dinos laughed at the newbies, belittled
them, and you could not fix or use anything modern. And you think those
newbies are going to stick with ham radio? Probably not. Old thinking
buggy whip hams like yourself need to stay locked in your shacks talking
only with other dinos about your illnesses and the like, and stay away
from the younger technology savy crowd as they might be really
interested in ham radio and your old crap is going to scare them away.

They don't want to learn about buggy whips when they are interested in
driving a modern car - get it old timer?




I know you're right.

These new modernized hams want everything to be easy just like flipping
the on-off switch on an appliance. We try and tell them that ham radio is
more than just operating an appliance, but they won't listen. Then when
murphy's law kicks in they don't know how to deal with it. I feel sorry
for them, but it's really not their fault that licensing has been dumbed
down over the years. The phonies did notice after we put the broken
computers in the dumpster that the bands sounded much better without all
the computer generated noise on their receivers. And their contacts per
minute increased. They realize now that when equipment fails it's nice to
have skills you can fall back on that will let you keep communicating.
Especially important during emergencies. Hams wouldn't look good if
during an emergency we couldn't communicate.


SC

Slow Code July 1st 06 12:21 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 
Cecil Moore wrote in
. com:

Slow Code wrote:
That's generally when you find out your rig might need repair, when
someone reports your audio is distorted or garbled.


I invariably find out my rig needs repair when the
finals blow.


And how many times has that happened to you? I'll bet never. You're too
smart to smoke your finals. Normally when I hear someone lost their
finals it was a result of operator error, or an act of stupidity.

sc

J. D. B. July 1st 06 02:44 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned fromus dinosaurs.
 
Slow Code, I think it is time you put up or shut up. If the skills among
you dinos were so great, then you had to finish at the top of your
category. So tell us now, what group were you part of, what section,
and what category did you compete in?

Then, when the results are published, we will compare your standings
with those other groups who had the modern, technically trained operators.

We'll see if the dinos are extinct or if modern humans have triumphed.

Slow Code wrote:


I know you're right.

These new modernized hams want everything to be easy just like flipping
the on-off switch on an appliance. We try and tell them that ham radio is
more than just operating an appliance, but they won't listen. Then when
murphy's law kicks in they don't know how to deal with it. I feel sorry
for them, but it's really not their fault that licensing has been dumbed
down over the years. The phonies did notice after we put the broken
computers in the dumpster that the bands sounded much better without all
the computer generated noise on their receivers. And their contacts per
minute increased. They realize now that when equipment fails it's nice to
have skills you can fall back on that will let you keep communicating.
Especially important during emergencies. Hams wouldn't look good if
during an emergency we couldn't communicate.


SC


Cecil Moore July 1st 06 03:25 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned fromus dinosaurs.
 
Slow Code wrote:
Hams wouldn't look good if
during an emergency we couldn't communicate.


So exactly how do hams communicate with failed
equipment?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Cecil Moore July 1st 06 03:26 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned fromus dinosaurs.
 
Slow Code wrote:
And how many times has that happened to you? I'll bet never. You're too
smart to smoke your finals. Normally when I hear someone lost their
finals it was a result of operator error, or an act of stupidity.


Act of God - lightning. And the CW mode was not spared.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

an_old_friend July 1st 06 03:29 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
Slow Code wrote:
Hams wouldn't look good if
during an emergency we couldn't communicate.


So exactly how do hams communicate with failed
equipment?

CW just needs a a code key and mircalously it gets through no radio
needed

I thought you knew that Sir
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



Slow Code July 1st 06 10:24 PM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 
"J. D. B." wrote in
:

Slow Code, I think it is time you put up or shut up. If the skills among
you dinos were so great, then you had to finish at the top of your
category. So tell us now, what group were you part of, what section,
and what category did you compete in?

Then, when the results are published, we will compare your standings
with those other groups who had the modern, technically trained
operators.

We'll see if the dinos are extinct or if modern humans have triumphed.



Even if only three contacts are made, the score isn't what's important.
What is important is showing and training new hams in how to communicate
and operate effectively during emergencies and not be Appliance operators.
Hams like you that worry about final score are more likely to cheat
because you choose to ignore or fail to see the things that are important.

SC



Slow Code July 1st 06 10:24 PM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 
Cecil Moore wrote in
. com:

Slow Code wrote:
Hams wouldn't look good if
during an emergency we couldn't communicate.


So exactly how do hams communicate with failed
equipment?



When it's operator error, or act of stupidity, dinosaurs like me relay
their messages for them.


SC

Slow Code July 1st 06 10:24 PM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 
Cecil Moore wrote in
om:

Slow Code wrote:
And how many times has that happened to you? I'll bet never. You're
too smart to smoke your finals. Normally when I hear someone lost
their finals it was a result of operator error, or an act of stupidity.


Act of God - lightning. And the CW mode was not spared.



No.
Not disconnecting equipment when a storm is coming is act of stupidity.

sc

an_old_friend July 1st 06 10:33 PM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned from us dinosaurs.
 

Slow Code wrote:
"J. D. B." wrote in
:

Slow Code, I think it is time you put up or shut up. If the skills among
you dinos were so great, then you had to finish at the top of your
category. So tell us now, what group were you part of, what section,
and what category did you compete in?

Then, when the results are published, we will compare your standings
with those other groups who had the modern, technically trained
operators.

We'll see if the dinos are extinct or if modern humans have triumphed.



Even if only three contacts are made, the score isn't what's important.
What is important is showing and training new hams in how to communicate
and operate

translation you are ashoamed of your scare justlike you are (rightfully
given the nature of your remarks ) afraid to reveal your true id


J. D. B. July 2nd 06 12:15 AM

Field day was great, even the phonies had fun and learned fromus dinosaurs.
 
I call B.S.! If you old, outdated methods of communication are so
superior, then you should have locked up the contest.

So, this means one of two things. 1.) you're not telling the truth, or,
2.) the old methods you claim are superior are really not and the new
"appliance operators" at other clubs using modern methods kicked your
collective butts.

I suspect that 1. is the truth and you did not participate in FD and
didn't teach any news hams anything. In fact, if you did participate in
FD, the "appliance operators" probably ran rings around you and
embarrassed you so bad, you had to create this story to save face.

Nice try, no one is buying the BS.

Slow Code wrote:



Even if only three contacts are made, the score isn't what's important.
What is important is showing and training new hams in how to communicate
and operate effectively during emergencies and not be Appliance operators.
Hams like you that worry about final score are more likely to cheat
because you choose to ignore or fail to see the things that are important.

SC




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