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Paul Keinanen wrote: spot frequencies are undetectable due to selective hearing loss. One approach would be to run the CW signal through some kind of FM receive, limiting the carrier, but producing white noise when no signal is available (and you would have to learn to copy negative-CW) or alternatively use some amplitude detector to control a noise gate, i.e. when there is a carrier present, the white noise would get through, with no signal, the headphones would be silent. Just an idea. Paul OH3LWR Andy writes: A hard limiter decreases the signal to noise by about 5.6 db, and that's a mathematical fact... If we know the characteristics of the noise, and the characteristics of when it occurs and the distribution of the energy, then we have "a priori" experience , and it really isn't "noise" anymore, and it can be dealt with --- in some cases rejected - and it's effects on the intelligibiliy of a desired signal made less... There are two characteristics familiar to a radar engineer, which deals with detection of a signal in the presence of noise:: Probability of detection -- Which is the probablility that a signal will be detected in the presence of noise without an error. Probability of false alarm -- This is the probability that detection of a vailid signal will occur when there is, in fact, no signal present. Entire volumes have been written on Pd versus Pfa, since this means life or death to an aircraft (for instance) when a missle lock may happen..... If the other guy detects you and sends his missle before you do, you will probly be dead. If you fire your missles off at a ghost and have none left, you will probly be dead.. In the final analysis, CW is just On-Off signals, much like pulses. The bottom line in all this is that if you KNOW what the signal is going to do you can increase the chances of detecting it properly. For instance, if the signal is repetitive, it can be stored, integrated, differentiated, or accumulated with weighing functions to recover the intelligence ---- "a priori" knowledge is necessary.. If you know what the noise is going to do -- impulse, popcorn, static, broadband, random, etc --- you can use techniques to reduce it hopefully without reducing the signal.. So fancy noise limiters, signal enhancers, and innovative detectors will work on some types of interference, and not on others. To be a universal S/N improvement, it has to work on "unknown" interference... That's what the ham bands are like. It could be AM splatter, white noise, a welder machine, the "woodpecker", car ignition..... whatever.... That's what restricting the bandpass does, usually. Sometimes it makes the S/N worse, but only with "special" types of interference. There ain't no "magic bullet"..... The subject is a LOT more complicated than just any single simple technique for recovering a signal... However ,our ear/brain, with PRACTICE is an adaptive filter. It's amazing how well it works, after someone has been copying CW for a while. Perhaps a microprocessor controlled adaptive filter can be made to approach it, but ADAPTIVE filtering is the only hope that I can see, given the different types of QRM and QRN that I have encountered. My best bet is that someday an adaptive CW filter would be to do as good as my own ear could do today..... It's like looking at a noisy signal on a scope. Someone with a lot of practice can see a valid signal several db lower in S/N than a novice can do.... Sonar operators can do the same..... "Waterfall" displays simply integrate the signal and noise over time, which is similar mathematically to restricting the bandwidth as far as the S/N "enhancement" properties.... The characteristics of the signal and the characteristics of the noise are known beforehand, and that is used, via the display, to increase the Pd and decrease the Pfa.... End of rant..... I need a beer. Andy W4OAH (retired communications and RADAR systems engineer and ham for about 45 years, or so.... hell, I don't remember any more ) |