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![]() You failed to mention what you have on the input, which can be a factor--if you disconnect any input cables, short your input to ground right at the amp and the unwanted stuff is still there, is is very possible your unwanted signals are coming through the 5K gain pot and its leads. Signals on these leads directly modulate the output. Try this: Replace the 5K pot with a resistor (say, 1K--the lower the R the higher the gain) soldered right on the board. Disconnect the pot wires completely. If that cures your problem consider eliminating that gain control and just using the volume pot. Otherwise, you could try shielding those wires, with the shield tied to signal ground, though I'm not completely sure that would work. Use stereo shielded cable with both wires in the same shield if possible. Twisting the two wires together may help. You can also try Mr. Masta's RF bypassing, only on the gain pot inputs as well. GL Glenn |
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That's a pretty cool trick - so this would mean the radio interference
is coming in through the guitar and/or guitar cable? I live a mile away from an AM radio station. Usually it doesn't get into the amps, but there are/were some amps that we could hear the AM radio station coming thru. A quick way to eliminate that is to wind a coil with the guitar cord very close to the plug that goes into the amp. Make the coil small diameter, 2 or 3 inches. That will choke the signal from entering the amp. It see's the guitar cord as a long wire antenna. How many turns? Start with 5 or 6, if that doesn't work try a couple more turns. Hope this may be of some help. Jack Fender Santa Maria Gibson SG |
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Thanks for your reply - that's worth a try.
I was going to try wiring in a foot switch to turn the gain on & off anyway. By the way do you know a good online place to order shielded wire (either stereo or mono)? I had an old cheap shielded guitar cable I was going to cannibalize for this, but I would prefer to find wire that isn't too thick & easy to work with. On May 31, 9:08 am, MadEngineer wrote: You failed to mention what you have on the input, which can be a factor--if you disconnect any input cables, short your input to ground right at the amp and the unwanted stuff is still there, is is very possible your unwanted signals are coming through the 5K gain pot and its leads. Signals on these leads directly modulate the output. Try this: Replace the 5K pot with a resistor (say, 1K--the lower the R the higher the gain) soldered right on the board. Disconnect the pot wires completely. If that cures your problem consider eliminating that gain control and just using the volume pot. Otherwise, you could try shielding those wires, with the shield tied to signal ground, though I'm not completely sure that would work. Use stereo shielded cable with both wires in the same shield if possible. Twisting the two wires together may help. You can also try Mr. Masta's RF bypassing, only on the gain pot inputs as well. GL Glenn |
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I am just plugging an electric guitar directly into the input. I don't
have the actual circuit here with me right now but the schematic is here (see page 5): http://makezine.com/09/crackerboxamp/ I believe the + of the input goes to a 0.01 uF capacitor, the - goes to ground. BTW can anyone explain how to add an XLR out (either balanced or unbalanced) to directly connect the amp to a mixer or recorder? Thanks On May 31, 9:08 am, MadEngineer wrote: You failed to mention what you have on the input, which can be a factor |
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Mad Scientist Jr wrote:
I am just plugging an electric guitar directly into the input. I don't have the actual circuit here with me right now but the schematic is here (see page 5): http://makezine.com/09/crackerboxamp/ I believe the + of the input goes to a 0.01 uF capacitor, the - goes to ground. BTW can anyone explain how to add an XLR out (either balanced or unbalanced) to directly connect the amp to a mixer or recorder? SNIP First of all, any sensitive amplifier needs to be build in a metal box no bigger than is necessary. The box acts as a screen so you have no need to use screen leads inside the box. The circuit you have used has no RF decoupling at the input nor on the supply (the 100uf capacitor on the supply will not decouple very well at RF), I would put a 10n ceramic capacitor across it and, for good measure, a 100n across that! At the input I would put something like 1n to ground (if your input is a guitar then the pickup will be low impedance so there won't be any effect on it's output. I would also be tempted to put an RF choke in series with the input. If, as I suspect, you are picking up AM broadcasts coiling the input cable a few times at the input won't have much effect. These links may be useful: http://www.rane.com/note151.html http://www.benchmarkmedia.com/caig/html/caig06.html Good luck! Charlie. -- M0WYM www.radiowymsey.org |
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I finally got around to replacing the wires from the potentiometer,
rheostat, input and speaker out all with shielded cable which worked - 99.9% of the noise is gone. The only noise left is a slight buzz which goes away when my hand touches the guitar strings. (Which leads me to question whether the guitar is properly grounded. Any advice on how to ensure that it is?) Anyway thanks to everyone for their replies, the shielded wire did the trick. On Jun 1, 6:20 am, charlie wrote: Mad Scientist Jr wrote: I am just plugging an electric guitar directly into the input. I don't have the actual circuit here with me right now but the schematic is here (see page 5): http://makezine.com/09/crackerboxamp/ I believe the + of the input goes to a 0.01 uF capacitor, the - goes to ground. BTW can anyone explain how to add an XLR out (either balanced or unbalanced) to directly connect the amp to a mixer or recorder? SNIP First of all, any sensitive amplifier needs to be build in a metal box no bigger than is necessary. The box acts as a screen so you have no need to use screen leads inside the box. The circuit you have used has no RF decoupling at the input nor on the supply (the 100uf capacitor on the supply will not decouple very well at RF), I would put a 10n ceramic capacitor across it and, for good measure, a 100n across that! At the input I would put something like 1n to ground (if your input is a guitar then the pickup will be low impedance so there won't be any effect on it's output. I would also be tempted to put an RF choke in series with the input. If, as I suspect, you are picking up AM broadcasts coiling the input cable a few times at the input won't have much effect. These links may be useful: http://www.rane.com/note151.html http://www.benchmarkmedia.com/caig/html/caig06.html Good luck! Charlie. -- M0WYMwww.radiowymsey.org |
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On 30 May, 18:18, Mad Scientist Jr wrote:
I am building an amplifier (for schematic see page 5 hehttp://makezine.com/09/crackerboxamp/ ) but when I turn up the gain, I get buzz and can actually hear some radio broadcasts on it. I assume I need to shield the circuit, or parts of it... Would lining the inside of the project case (in this case a cardboard cracker box) with aluminum foil work? Incidentally, does anyone know if someone makes a type of "shielding" spray paint or primer, that you could just spray on a plastic or cardboard project box, that would provide shielding? Any help appreciated... I would firstly put a cap on the input to short out radio frequencies to ground. 220pf from signal in to ground works well for me. Ground the case too if its metal. |
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