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[email protected] December 28th 07 04:52 AM

Selecting power Fets for 500 KC transmitter
 
Greetings!!!


I plan on building a 500 KC transmitter, 200 watts output. I have
never worked with power FETS before.

What is the selection method used in determining which FET to use??
I see some great FETS
cheap.

Example: IRFP254

250 volt Vdss

RDS on .14

Amps 32 amps

Rise time : 51 NS

Cost; 2.50 each

The data sheet does not spec any freq's ( Ft) like bipolar
transistors?? How do I select the right FET??? freq range

Thanks!!!

The 500 KC transmitter will run at 28 VDC

Scott December 28th 07 11:52 AM

Selecting power Fets for 500 KC transmitter
 
I can hardly imagine just about any device like this having an Ft so low
that it wouldn't work at 500 KHz. What ham band do we have at 500 KHz?

wrote:
Greetings!!!


I plan on building a 500 KC transmitter, 200 watts output. I have
never worked with power FETS before.

What is the selection method used in determining which FET to use??
I see some great FETS
cheap.

Example: IRFP254

250 volt Vdss

RDS on .14

Amps 32 amps

Rise time : 51 NS

Cost; 2.50 each

The data sheet does not spec any freq's ( Ft) like bipolar
transistors?? How do I select the right FET??? freq range

Thanks!!!

The 500 KC transmitter will run at 28 VDC


--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

Denny December 28th 07 12:27 PM

Selecting power Fets for 500 KC transmitter
 


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There are Part 5 licenses recently issued for a 2 year duration 505 to
515 KC to WD2XSH for 20 watts ERP...
I doubt that even 200 watts will get you there with any normal ham
antenna...



denny / k8do

RV7 - even super SLOWER build....

ken scharf December 28th 07 08:15 PM

Selecting power Fets for 500 KC transmitter
 
Scott wrote:
I can hardly imagine just about any device like this having an Ft so low
that it wouldn't work at 500 KHz. What ham band do we have at 500 KHz?

wrote:
Greetings!!!


I plan on building a 500 KC transmitter, 200 watts output. I have
never worked with power FETS before.

What is the selection method used in determining which FET to use??
I see some great FETS
cheap.

Example: IRFP254

250 volt Vdss

RDS on .14

Amps 32 amps

Rise time : 51 NS

Cost; 2.50 each

The data sheet does not spec any freq's ( Ft) like bipolar
transistors?? How do I select the right FET??? freq range

Thanks!!!

The 500 KC transmitter will run at 28 VDC


Well a friend of mine once wanted to build a mobile transmitter for
455khz AM and 10.7mhz FM so he could tell the bozo in the car ahead of
him where to go after he cut him off.....

Uncle Peter December 28th 07 09:17 PM

Selecting power Fets for 500 KC transmitter
 

"ken scharf" wrote in message
. ..
Well a friend of mine once wanted to build a mobile transmitter for
455khz AM and 10.7mhz FM so he could tell the bozo in the car ahead of him
where to go after he cut him off.....


I hope you clued him in.. (re. 262 kHz...)

Pete



Scott December 29th 07 12:03 AM

Selecting power Fets for 500 KC transmitter
 
It is a temporary authorization to specific hams or is it for something
completely different and it just happens to be a ham who asked the
original question??

Scott
N0EDV

Denny wrote:
--
Scotthttp://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



There are Part 5 licenses recently issued for a 2 year duration 505 to
515 KC to WD2XSH for 20 watts ERP...
I doubt that even 200 watts will get you there with any normal ham
antenna...



denny / k8do

RV7 - even super SLOWER build....


--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

Scott December 29th 07 12:04 AM

Selecting power Fets for 500 KC transmitter
 
LOL!! That might be more fun then using "the finger"

Scott


ken scharf wrote:

Scott wrote:

I can hardly imagine just about any device like this having an Ft so
low that it wouldn't work at 500 KHz. What ham band do we have at 500
KHz?

wrote:

Greetings!!!


I plan on building a 500 KC transmitter, 200 watts output. I have
never worked with power FETS before.

What is the selection method used in determining which FET to use??
I see some great FETS
cheap.

Example: IRFP254

250 volt Vdss

RDS on .14

Amps 32 amps

Rise time : 51 NS

Cost; 2.50 each

The data sheet does not spec any freq's ( Ft) like bipolar
transistors?? How do I select the right FET??? freq range

Thanks!!!

The 500 KC transmitter will run at 28 VDC



Well a friend of mine once wanted to build a mobile transmitter for
455khz AM and 10.7mhz FM so he could tell the bozo in the car ahead of
him where to go after he cut him off.....


--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

clifto December 29th 07 12:50 AM

Selecting power Fets for 500 KC transmitter
 
ken scharf wrote:
Well a friend of mine once wanted to build a mobile transmitter for
455khz AM and 10.7mhz FM so he could tell the bozo in the car ahead of
him where to go after he cut him off.....


"This is God. You don't even want to know what I'm going to do to you for
cutting that poor beloved gentleman off. Just don't make any long-term
plans."

--
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.

Paul Keinanen December 29th 07 09:58 AM

Selecting power Fets for 500 KC transmitter
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:52:20 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Greetings!!!


I plan on building a 500 KC transmitter, 200 watts output. I have
never worked with power FETS before.

What is the selection method used in determining which FET to use??
I see some great FETS
cheap.

Example: IRFP254

250 volt Vdss

RDS on .14

Amps 32 amps

Rise time : 51 NS

Cost; 2.50 each

The data sheet does not spec any freq's ( Ft) like bipolar
transistors?? How do I select the right FET??? freq range

Thanks!!!

The 500 KC transmitter will run at 28 VDC


Those FETs have usually quite large gate capacitances (nanofarads), so
in order to rapidly change the gate voltage (and hence the
drain-source current) rapidly, the driver stage may have to supply a
significant current to charge and discharge this gate capacitance. In
many cases, the driver current limit may limit the operating speed of
the circuit.

Paul OH3LWR


Denny December 29th 07 02:15 PM

Selecting power Fets for 500 KC transmitter
 
On Dec 28, 7:03*pm, Scott wrote:
It is a temporary authorization to specific hams or is it for something
completely different and it just happens to be a ham who asked the
original question??

Scott
N0EDV





Denny wrote:
--
Scotthttp://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


There are Part 5 licenses recently issued for a 2 year duration 505 to
515 KC to WD2XSH for 20 watts ERP...
I doubt that even 200 watts will get you there with any normal ham
antenna...


denny / k8do


RV7 - even super SLOWER build....


--
Scotthttp://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


It's temporary (for now) and there are 23 licensees authorized... DO a
search on the 500 kc and the call and you should come up with it...

denny

ken scharf December 30th 07 05:32 PM

Selecting power Fets for 500 KC transmitter
 
Uncle Peter wrote:
"ken scharf" wrote in message
. ..
Well a friend of mine once wanted to build a mobile transmitter for
455khz AM and 10.7mhz FM so he could tell the bozo in the car ahead of him
where to go after he cut him off.....


I hope you clued him in.. (re. 262 kHz...)

Pete


I'm not too sure, but I think that today's car radios DO use 455khz.
I think they stopped using 262khz some years back when Detroit started
having the radios made in China and got rid of the RF stages.

But, back then I think Mitch knew better. He never did build that
transmitter, too bad it would have been fun.

Michael Black December 30th 07 05:51 PM

Selecting power Fets for 500 KC transmitter
 
ken scharf ) writes:
Uncle Peter wrote:
"ken scharf" wrote in message
. ..
Well a friend of mine once wanted to build a mobile transmitter for
455khz AM and 10.7mhz FM so he could tell the bozo in the car ahead of him
where to go after he cut him off.....


I hope you clued him in.. (re. 262 kHz...)

Pete


I'm not too sure, but I think that today's car radios DO use 455khz.
I think they stopped using 262khz some years back when Detroit started
having the radios made in China and got rid of the RF stages.

Actually, most of them use 450KHz nowadays.

The synthesizer ICs are designed for 450KHz, presumably because of
some fact that makes it easier to design for that IF, such as it
allows an existing common crystal or something.

I can't think of any car radio I've opened up that had digital tuning
and not a 450KHz IF.

It's not so absolute in other types of radios, but it is still a common
IF (which can be a real bother if you've got a shortwave receiver
and thus can't improve selectivity with a good and relatively cheap
used 455KHz mechanical filter).

262KHz IFs in car radios did pretty much disappear with the coming of ceramic
filters. And no car radio is being made without ceramic filters. Though,
I think I did see one car radio, it must have had analog tuning, that did
have a 262KHz ceramic filter.

Michael


ken scharf January 14th 08 01:00 AM

Selecting power Fets for 500 KC transmitter
 
Michael Black wrote:
ken scharf ) writes:
Uncle Peter wrote:
"ken scharf" wrote in message
. ..
Well a friend of mine once wanted to build a mobile transmitter for
455khz AM and 10.7mhz FM so he could tell the bozo in the car ahead of him
where to go after he cut him off.....
I hope you clued him in.. (re. 262 kHz...)

Pete


I'm not too sure, but I think that today's car radios DO use 455khz.
I think they stopped using 262khz some years back when Detroit started
having the radios made in China and got rid of the RF stages.

Actually, most of them use 450KHz nowadays.

The synthesizer ICs are designed for 450KHz, presumably because of
some fact that makes it easier to design for that IF, such as it
allows an existing common crystal or something.

I can't think of any car radio I've opened up that had digital tuning
and not a 450KHz IF.

It's not so absolute in other types of radios, but it is still a common
IF (which can be a real bother if you've got a shortwave receiver
and thus can't improve selectivity with a good and relatively cheap
used 455KHz mechanical filter).

262KHz IFs in car radios did pretty much disappear with the coming of ceramic
filters. And no car radio is being made without ceramic filters. Though,
I think I did see one car radio, it must have had analog tuning, that did
have a 262KHz ceramic filter.

Michael

The choice of an IF frequency makes an interesting bit of radio history.
The first BC superhets used IF's from 90khz to several hundred khz.
Eventually 135khz, 150khz, and 175khz became "standard" (I remember
seeing replacement IF cans with these frequency numbers in J W Miller's
catalog.) These sets had an RF stage so were not bothered much by
images with such a low IF. Later during the depression when radio
manufacturers had to cut costs the RF stage went away (along with the
power transformers) and the IF frequency was raised to 455 (+/- a few).

Car radios needed more sensitivity and selectivity to handle fringe area
reception so they retained RF stages and used a 262khz IF.


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