Hi

Got a pair of MRF648 and would like to build a 100W 70cm PA running at
13,8V.
I have been looking for constructions/idéeas on Google without luck.
Anybody able to help me?

If You got an article i can use, please mail it to me: bv(--at..)
mailme.dk

MRF648 data:


DESCRIPTION:
The ASI MRF648 is Designed for
12.5 V UHF large signal amplifier
applications up to 512 MHz.


FEATURES:
.. Internal Input Matching Network
.. PG = 4.4 dB at 60 W/470 MHz
.. OmnigoldT Metalization System


MAXIMUM RATINGS
IC 11 A
VCBO 36 V
VCEO 16 V
VEBO 4.0 V
PDISS 175 W @ TC = 25 °C
TJ -65 °C to +200 °C
TSTG -65 °C to +150 °C
?JC 1.0 °C/W


73 de OZ1BV, Brian

P.S. It's a linear amp i want to build

73 de OZ1BV, Brian

On Jan 18, 8:20*am, BV wrote:
Hi

Got a pair of MRF648 and would like to build a 100W 70cm PA running at
13,8V.
I have been looking for constructions/idéeas on Google without luck.
Anybody able to help me?

If You got an article i can use, please mail it to me: bv(--at..)
mailme.dk

MRF648 data:

DESCRIPTION:
The ASI MRF648 is Designed for
12.5 V UHF large signal amplifier
applications up to 512 MHz.

FEATURES:
. Internal Input Matching Network
. PG = 4.4 dB at 60 W/470 MHz
. OmnigoldT Metalization System

MAXIMUM RATINGS
IC * * * * * * *11 A
VCBO * * * 36 V
VCEO * * * 16 V
VEBO * * * *4.0 V
PDISS * * * *175 W @ TC = 25 °C
TJ * * * * * * * -65 °C to +200 °C
TSTG * * * * -65 °C to +150 °C
?JC * * * * * *1.0 °C/W

73 de OZ1BV, Brian

Hi Brian,

My Motorola data book says these are designed for class C (e.g. FM)
amplifier service, not linear. I suppose you should expect to get a
little less PEP power out of them in linear service, for good
linearity.

The Moto data sheet has a test circuit; I could scan it, if it would
be any use to you. The microstrip dimensions are for glass-teflon
board, er=2.55, 1/16" (1.6mm) thick. Of course, the test circuit is
for a single transistor, not a pair. It is solidly class C: the base
and emitter are both at DC ground.

Cheers,
Tom

BV wrote:

P.S. It's a linear amp i want to build

73 de OZ1BV, Brian

A bit of advice:

The Motorola data book suggests that these devices are designed for Class C
service, and their design guide gives a circuit without DC bias. The Vbe max
is only 4 Volts, which gives a useful hint!

Your DC bias circuit needs to /very/ accurately track temperature to prevent
thermal runaway - the design of the bias circuit /will/ /not/ be trivial.

The gain of the circuit will be disappointing - you'll be lucky to get close
to 10 dB - so the drive requirement will be surprisingly high.

If I was designing a UHF PA, I'd choose FETs these days!

Bob

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 06:00:45 +0000, Bob wrote:

snip

If I was designing a UHF PA, I'd choose FETs these days!

Alas, if automobiles used 48V instead of 12 ;-)

Cheers!

Hi Tom

Hi Brian,

My Motorola data book says these are designed for class C (e.g. FM)
amplifier service, not linear. *I suppose you should expect to get a
little less PEP power out of them in linear service, for good
linearity.

The Moto data sheet has a test circuit; I could scan it, if it would
be any use to you. *The microstrip dimensions are for glass-teflon
board, er=2.55, 1/16" (1.6mm) thick. *Of course, the test circuit is
for a single transistor, not a pair. *It is solidly class C: *the base
and emitter are both at DC ground.

Cheers,
Tom- Skjul tekst i anførselstegn -

- Vis tekst i anførselstegn -

This is correct, but I found out that Tokyo Hy-Power HL-120U uses
these transistors in this PA. If they are able to make a 100W linear
amp i hope to be able to do the same:-)
(The list where I figured out what transistor type is udes in PA's:
http://www.electronicpool.de/en/funkgeraetetypen.html)

I have not been able to find a schematic for HL-120U. It would be nice
to see how they designed the bias circuit.

Medt 73 de OZ1BV, Brian

"BV" wrote in message
...
Hi Tom

Hi Brian,

My Motorola data book says these are designed for class C (e.g. FM)
amplifier service, not linear. I suppose you should expect to get a
little less PEP power out of them in linear service, for good
linearity.

The Moto data sheet has a test circuit; I could scan it, if it would
be any use to you. The microstrip dimensions are for glass-teflon
board, er=2.55, 1/16" (1.6mm) thick. Of course, the test circuit is
for a single transistor, not a pair. It is solidly class C: the base
and emitter are both at DC ground.

Cheers,
Tom- Skjul tekst i anførselstegn -

- Vis tekst i anførselstegn -

This is correct, but I found out that Tokyo Hy-Power HL-120U uses
these transistors in this PA. If they are able to make a 100W linear
amp i hope to be able to do the same:-)
(The list where I figured out what transistor type is udes in PA's:
http://www.electronicpool.de/en/funkgeraetetypen.html)

I have not been able to find a schematic for HL-120U. It would be nice
to see how they designed the bias circuit.

Medt 73 de OZ1BV, Brian

You will find that the Mirage linears used the same family of
transistors as well.

pete

On Jan 19, 4:17*am, geek wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 06:00:45 +0000, Bob wrote:

snip

If I was designing a UHF PA, I'd choose FETs these days!

Alas, if automobiles used 48V instead of 12 ;-)

Cheers!

48 volts is not that hard to do in an auto if you can mount a second
alternator. There is plenty of info on this on the web.

Jimmie

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:17:52 -0800, geek wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 06:00:45 +0000, Bob wrote:

snip

If I was designing a UHF PA, I'd choose FETs these days!

Alas, if automobiles used 48V instead of 12 ;-)

They will.

Jonesy
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On 19 Jan 2009 17:49:47 GMT, Allodoxaphobia
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:17:52 -0800, geek wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 06:00:45 +0000, Bob wrote:

snip

If I was designing a UHF PA, I'd choose FETs these days!

Alas, if automobiles used 48V instead of 12 ;-)

They will.

A few years ago 42 V (3x14 V) was supposed to be the new automobile
voltage, but I have not heard much of it lately :-).

Paul OH3LWR