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[email protected] December 3rd 14 01:59 AM

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 5:55 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 1:11 AM, the well-known troll
wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

snip

I'm old enough that I've learned people like him just aren't worth
getting all upset over.

Then why bother responding at all?



Because I try to be polite


Since when?

Do you think calling people trolls, liars, incompetent, etc. is being polite?

If you were polite you wouldn't be in ****ing contests on a regular basis
that only stop when the other person no longer responds to you.



I am polite.


If you were polite you wouldn't be in ****ing contests on a regular basis
that only stop when the other person no longer responds to you.

calling people liers (sic).


If you were anything other than an egomaniacal ass, you wouldn't keep
bringing up a typo.


--
Jim Pennino

[email protected] December 3rd 14 02:03 AM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
In rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Jerry Stuckle wrote:

ssnip

If it walks like a troll, quacks like a troll, and has the antecedents
of a troll, then it's a troll

And trolls don't understand there is a difference between apples and
oranges.


snip


ROFLMAO! You and a couple of other trolls who made ukram the cesspool
it is.


snip

And you still don't understand the difference between apples and
oranges. But trolls don't.


And he is off!!!



--
Jim Pennino

Jerry Stuckle December 3rd 14 03:32 AM

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On 12/2/2014 8:57 PM, the well-known troll wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 5:52 PM, the well-known troll
wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 7:15 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
wrote in :

I'm old enough that I've learned people like him just aren't worth
getting all upset over.

Then why bother responding at all?


If you both cut each other a lot more slack, you'll both have more room to
maneouvre. For past couple of days you both reminded me of boxers in a
clinch, bounding together from rope to rope. Not a lot I can do about that,
but I can at least say how it looks. :)


Notice how he has to respond to my comments even when I'm not talking to
him? Another trait of a troll. The poor guy.

If you had been on USENET as long as you claim, you would know USENET is
an open forum and everybody is free to respond to anybody.

And you can shove your troll comment up your egomaniacal Stuckle.




Yes, I know USENET is an open forum for everybody. Including TROLLS
like you, unfortunately.


Then why the snide "he has to respond to my comments even when I'm not
talking to him"?

You can shove your troll comment up your egomaniacal Stuckle.



Can't stand the truth, Jimmy?

You're the admitted troll, Jimmy. And once again, you've lost it. Your
rage is getting to you.

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Jerry Stuckle December 3rd 14 03:33 AM

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On 12/2/2014 8:59 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 5:55 PM,
wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 1:11 AM, the well-known troll
wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

snip

I'm old enough that I've learned people like him just aren't worth
getting all upset over.

Then why bother responding at all?



Because I try to be polite

Since when?

Do you think calling people trolls, liars, incompetent, etc. is being polite?

If you were polite you wouldn't be in ****ing contests on a regular basis
that only stop when the other person no longer responds to you.



I am polite.


If you were polite you wouldn't be in ****ing contests on a regular basis
that only stop when the other person no longer responds to you.


No ****ing contest. It is impolite to ignore someone when they talk to
you. However, that does not mean you can't tell the truth and call a
troll a troll.

calling people liers (sic).


If you were anything other than an egomaniacal ass, you wouldn't keep
bringing up a typo.



You made it more than once, Jimmy. But once again, you're loosing it.

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Jerry Stuckle December 3rd 14 03:35 AM

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On 12/2/2014 9:03 PM, the well-known troll wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Jerry Stuckle wrote:

ssnip

If it walks like a troll, quacks like a troll, and has the antecedents
of a troll, then it's a troll

And trolls don't understand there is a difference between apples and
oranges.


snip


ROFLMAO! You and a couple of other trolls who made ukram the cesspool
it is.


snip

And you still don't understand the difference between apples and
oranges. But trolls don't.


And he is off!!!



Yup, and I see you're trolling again. Just like you admit you do.

Are you going to lose it again? Poor boy.

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[email protected] December 3rd 14 06:03 AM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 9:03 PM, the well-known troll wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Jerry Stuckle wrote:

ssnip

If it walks like a troll, quacks like a troll, and has the antecedents
of a troll, then it's a troll

And trolls don't understand there is a difference between apples and
oranges.


snip


ROFLMAO! You and a couple of other trolls who made ukram the cesspool
it is.


snip

And you still don't understand the difference between apples and
oranges. But trolls don't.


And he is off!!!



Yup, and I see you're trolling again. Just like you admit you do.

Are you going to lose it again? Poor boy.


Megalomaniac.


--
Jim Pennino

Stephen Thomas Cole[_3_] December 3rd 14 06:11 AM

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Fred Roberts wrote:
snip, educationally subnormal "special"
people who get the - ha ha - exam and answers read to them snip


I, for one, am very happy that our hobby has provision to accommodate
disabled individuals, through supply of reader and scribe assistance. Why
aren't you, Frank?

--
Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

Stephen Thomas Cole[_3_] December 3rd 14 06:11 AM

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Brian Morrison wrote:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:19:30 -0500
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

Yes, but there is no indication the moderators of rram will take over
as moderators of ukrram.


I have not seen that suggested,


It's been implied many times.

what Spike is trying to say is that if
the initial moderation team disbands and is replaced, those
replacements could have any attitude and agenda and there would be no
recourse to any mechanism to prevent it.


Incorrect. At any point, any individual can RFD to remove/replace
moderators.

--
Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

Stephen Thomas Cole[_3_] December 3rd 14 06:59 AM

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g8dgc wrote:
Spike wrote:

On 02/12/14 17:07, g8dgc wrote:
Spike wrote:


And we don't want Stuckle over here. Isn't the US big enough for you?


TINW


This is not working?


"There Is No We".


+1. I've never understood many of the anti squad's distaste of Americans,
it always seems to be bubbling away just under the surface, ready to show
its shameful face in an argument as it has here with Spike. Maybe a GI
nicked their girlfriend during the war and they're still smarting over it?

--
Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

gareth December 3rd 14 08:06 AM

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"Fred Roberts" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 01:11:48 +0000 (UTC), Brian Reay


Oh dear, Fred. What happened to your proposed KF?



gareth December 3rd 14 08:07 AM

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"Stephen Thomas Cole" wrote in message
...
Fred Roberts wrote:
snip, educationally subnormal "special"
people who get the - ha ha - exam and answers read to them snip


I, for one, am very happy that our hobby has provision to accommodate
disabled individuals, through supply of reader and scribe assistance. Why
aren't you, Frank?


How could such people ever pratice technical matters?



gareth December 3rd 14 08:09 AM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
"Stephen Thomas Cole" wrote in message
...
+1. I've never understood many of the anti squad's distaste of Americans,
it always seems to be bubbling away just under the surface, ready to show
its shameful face in an argument as it has here with Spike. Maybe a GI
nicked their girlfriend during the war and they're still smarting over it?


Well, we're all awaiting the arrival of your holier-than-thou abuse
statistics,
but will they include your reversion to type of the last day or so?

Leopards, spots, anyome?



Ian Jackson[_2_] December 3rd 14 08:19 AM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
In message , Spike
writes
On 02/12/14 17:48, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Spike
writes
On 02/12/14 15:53, Ian Jackson wrote:


If the moderation policies out to be unsatisfactory, there are remedies
- and if all else fails, simply pretend that the moderated NG doesn't
exist - which is what I already do with the 98,299 NGs out there, but I
don't subscribe to.


Wrong argument, Ian. We're talking about the succession, not about the
moderation policies


So you are objecting to the moderators, and their heirs and successors,
regardless of their actual moderation policies?


Could you point me to where you think I said that?

About 3" further up my screen.


--
Ian

Spike[_3_] December 3rd 14 09:23 AM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
On 03/12/14 00:51, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 6:20 PM, Spike wrote:


Are you an engineer or technician? You sound like one or the other.


Yes. And I have been for around 40 years.


Ah, now I understand.

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

[1] 61.7% blog posts

[2] Less than 1 post per day from individuals over 18 months

[3] The last gap between individual's posts was 4 days 2 hours.

TTFN

--
Spike

"Hard cases, it has frequently been observed, are apt to introduce bad
law". Judge Rolfe


Spike[_3_] December 3rd 14 09:23 AM

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On 03/12/14 06:11, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Brian Morrison wrote:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:19:30 -0500
Jerry Stuckle wrote:


Yes, but there is no indication the moderators of rram will take over
as moderators of ukrram.


I have not seen that suggested,


It's been implied many times.


what Spike is trying to say is that if
the initial moderation team disbands and is replaced, those
replacements could have any attitude and agenda and there would be no
recourse to any mechanism to prevent it.


Incorrect. At any point, any individual can RFD to remove/replace
moderators.


Has that ever been done? How long did the process take, and what was the
outcome?


--
Spike

"Hard cases, it has frequently been observed, are apt to introduce bad
law". Judge Rolfe


Spike[_3_] December 3rd 14 09:23 AM

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On 02/12/14 23:35, Chronos wrote:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 23:20:42 +0000
Spike wrote:


Not my problem.


Thank you for your vigilance, Spike. I killfiled Stuckle a while back
as he makes my teeth itch. You're made of sterner stuff than I ;-)


No, it's just a case of repeating what's been said, because he failed to
grasp it the previous time, and avoiding his silly attempts to move the
goalposts.


--
Spike

"Hard cases, it has frequently been observed, are apt to introduce bad
law". Judge Rolfe


Spike[_3_] December 3rd 14 09:24 AM

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On 03/12/14 08:19, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Spike
writes
On 02/12/14 17:48, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Spike
writes
On 02/12/14 15:53, Ian Jackson wrote:


If the moderation policies out to be unsatisfactory, there are
remedies
- and if all else fails, simply pretend that the moderated NG doesn't
exist - which is what I already do with the 98,299 NGs out there,
but I
don't subscribe to.


Wrong argument, Ian. We're talking about the succession, not about the
moderation policies


So you are objecting to the moderators, and their heirs and successors,
regardless of their actual moderation policies?


Could you point me to where you think I said that?


About 3" further up my screen.


Oh, the bit where I said "Wrong argument, Ian. We're talking about the
succession, not about the moderation policies".

The Succession of Moderators != Moderators.

HTH



--
Spike

"Hard cases, it has frequently been observed, are apt to introduce bad
law". Judge Rolfe


Stephen Thomas Cole[_3_] December 3rd 14 10:46 AM

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Fred Roberts wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 06:11:44 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Thomas Cole
wrote:

Fred Roberts wrote:
snip, educationally subnormal "special"
people who get the - ha ha - exam and answers read to them snip


I, for one, am very happy that our hobby has provision to accommodate
disabled individuals, through supply of reader and scribe assistance. Why
aren't you, Frank?


Don't you start again or I'll start again, ok?


I'm not starting anything, Frank. I'm genuinely interested to understand
your POV on this, as I simply can't wrap my head around the suggestion that
provision for the disabled is a bad thing.

CB radio and PMR 446
exists for such people. This is a technical pursuit not a hobby that
was always within reach of anyone prepared to make an effort - ANYONE.
It did not need to be dumbed down to the level it has been. You *seem*
to be a clever chap Stephen you tell me why such people aren't allowed
readers and scribe assistants in their pursuit to become brain
surgeons and why such people aren't allowed to drive on our roads.


None of that remotely addresses the question, which is; why shouldn't
people with disabilities be provided services (reader and scribe) to help
them access amateur radio?

--
Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

gareth December 3rd 14 12:30 PM

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"Fred Roberts" wrote in message
...
Don't you start again or I'll start again, ok? CB radio and PMR 446
exists for such people. This is a technical pursuit not a hobby that
was always within reach of anyone prepared to make an effort - ANYONE.
It did not need to be dumbed down to the level it has been. You *seem*
to be a clever chap Stephen you tell me why such people aren't allowed
readers and scribe assistants in their pursuit to become brain
surgeons and why such people aren't allowed to drive on our roads.


WHS +100



Jerry Stuckle December 3rd 14 02:44 PM

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On 12/3/2014 4:18 AM, Fred Roberts wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 06:11:44 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Thomas Cole
wrote:

Fred Roberts wrote:
snip, educationally subnormal "special"
people who get the - ha ha - exam and answers read to them snip


I, for one, am very happy that our hobby has provision to accommodate
disabled individuals, through supply of reader and scribe assistance. Why
aren't you, Frank?


Don't you start again or I'll start again, ok? CB radio and PMR 446
exists for such people. This is a technical pursuit not a hobby that
was always within reach of anyone prepared to make an effort - ANYONE.
It did not need to be dumbed down to the level it has been. You *seem*
to be a clever chap Stephen you tell me why such people aren't allowed
readers and scribe assistants in their pursuit to become brain
surgeons and why such people aren't allowed to drive on our roads.


I disagree with you 100%, Fred. I know one ham in North Carolina who is
an accomplished two-way business radio tech. He also built the Piedmont
Coastal Repeater Network, a series of linked repeaters covering much of
North Carolina. And he is blind (since birth, IIRC). He doesn't
deserve a ham license because he's blind?

I had a roommate back in the 70's who was also a ham. He had a First
Class Radiotelephone license and was an engineer at a local radio
station. He's been blind since birth. He doesn't deserve a ham license
because he's blind?

Oh, and BTW - both got their licenses when the FCC was administering the
exams.

You show a distinct prejudice against disabled people and their
accomplishments.

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Jerry Stuckle December 3rd 14 02:46 PM

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On 12/3/2014 1:11 AM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Brian Morrison wrote:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:19:30 -0500
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

Yes, but there is no indication the moderators of rram will take over
as moderators of ukrram.


I have not seen that suggested,


It's been implied many times.


I have never seen it implied, either.

what Spike is trying to say is that if
the initial moderation team disbands and is replaced, those
replacements could have any attitude and agenda and there would be no
recourse to any mechanism to prevent it.


Incorrect. At any point, any individual can RFD to remove/replace
moderators.


--
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry, AI0K

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Jerry Stuckle December 3rd 14 02:48 PM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
On 12/3/2014 1:03 AM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 9:03 PM, the well-known troll
wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Jerry Stuckle wrote:

ssnip

If it walks like a troll, quacks like a troll, and has the antecedents
of a troll, then it's a troll

And trolls don't understand there is a difference between apples and
oranges.

snip


ROFLMAO! You and a couple of other trolls who made ukram the cesspool
it is.

snip

And you still don't understand the difference between apples and
oranges. But trolls don't.

And he is off!!!



Yup, and I see you're trolling again. Just like you admit you do.

Are you going to lose it again? Poor boy.


Megalomaniac.



Poor boy. You've lost it again, Jimmy. All you're capable of is ad
hominim attacks.

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Jerry Stuckle December 3rd 14 02:51 PM

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On 12/3/2014 4:23 AM, Spike wrote:
On 03/12/14 00:51, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 6:20 PM, Spike wrote:


Are you an engineer or technician? You sound like one or the other.


Yes. And I have been for around 40 years.


Ah, now I understand.

The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.

[1] 61.7% blog posts

[2] Less than 1 post per day from individuals over 18 months

[3] The last gap between individual's posts was 4 days 2 hours.

TTFN


Which has absolutely nothing to do with ukram. They are two different
newsgroups, with two different audiences and two different moderation
teams. The only thing they have in common is the proposer of the RFD.
But that is immaterial since he has no say in the running of either
newsgroup, and anyone can create an RFD.

Either that or your grasping at straws to try to make your argument.
And it isn't working.

But you don't seem to be able to understand the difference between
apples and oranges.

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Spike[_3_] December 3rd 14 03:15 PM

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On 03/12/14 14:51, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/3/2014 4:23 AM, Spike wrote:
On 03/12/14 00:51, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 6:20 PM, Spike wrote:


Are you an engineer or technician? You sound like one or the other.


Yes. And I have been for around 40 years.


Ah, now I understand.


The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.


[1] 61.7% blog posts


[2] Less than 1 post per day from individuals over 18 months


[3] The last gap between individual's posts was 4 days 2 hours.


TTFN


Which has absolutely nothing to do with ukram. They are two different
newsgroups, with two different audiences and two different moderation
teams. The only thing they have in common is the proposer of the RFD.


Plus the Charter and ModPol.

I don't expect you to see the Americanisms in there.

But that is immaterial since he has no say in the running of either
newsgroup, and anyone can create an RFD.


If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has the antecedents of
a duck, it's a duck.

Either that or your grasping at straws to try to make your argument.
And it isn't working.


But you don't seem to be able to understand the difference between
apples and oranges.


Don't go shopping for poultry, or you may be very disappointed.

--
Spike

"Hard cases, it has frequently been observed, are apt to introduce bad
law". Judge Rolfe


Jerry Stuckle December 3rd 14 03:22 PM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
On 12/3/2014 9:58 AM, Fred Roberts wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:44:55 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
wrote:

I disagree with you 100%, Fred. I know one ham in North Carolina who is
an accomplished two-way business radio tech. He also built the Piedmont
Coastal Repeater Network, a series of linked repeaters covering much of
North Carolina.


Well if you disagreed with what I'm actually talking about you might
have a point. But you haven't and you don't.

And he is blind (since birth, IIRC). He doesn't
deserve a ham license because he's blind?


I said no such thing, can I suggest you read the is thread and
understand it before posting such, well, crap.


I have read the thread. To refresh your memory:

Stephen:

I, for one, am very happy that our hobby has provision to accommodate
disabled individuals, through supply of reader and scribe assistance.
Why aren't you, Frank?

You:

Don't you start again or I'll start again, ok? CB radio and PMR 446
exists for such people...

An obvious bias against disabled people, even if you don't want to admit it.

I had a roommate back in the 70's who was also a ham. He had a First
Class Radiotelephone license and was an engineer at a local radio
station. He's been blind since birth. He doesn't deserve a ham license
because he's blind?


I said no such thing, can I suggest you read the is thread and
understand it before posting such, well, crap.

Oh, and BTW - both got their licenses when the FCC was administering the
exams.


Good for them.

You show a distinct prejudice against disabled people and their
accomplishments.


Where? You show a distinct lack of English comprehension and you are
guilty of falling for the propaganda posted by Cole and Reay oh, you
also talk crap.


By your statements, as noted above.

But you can't take back your words, so you start with the ad hominim
attacks.

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Jerry Stuckle December 3rd 14 03:30 PM

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On 12/3/2014 10:15 AM, Spike wrote:
On 03/12/14 14:51, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/3/2014 4:23 AM, Spike wrote:
On 03/12/14 00:51, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/2/2014 6:20 PM, Spike wrote:


Are you an engineer or technician? You sound like one or the other.


Yes. And I have been for around 40 years.


Ah, now I understand.


The chap who is behind the RFD is the same chap who
brought 'order' to the US groups (and RRAM can be seen by all to be the
roaring success of this policy[1,2,3]), and the Charter and ModPol for
the proposed group being little more than a cut-and-paste job, even down
to the Americanisms.


[1] 61.7% blog posts


[2] Less than 1 post per day from individuals over 18 months


[3] The last gap between individual's posts was 4 days 2 hours.


TTFN


Which has absolutely nothing to do with ukram. They are two different
newsgroups, with two different audiences and two different moderation
teams. The only thing they have in common is the proposer of the RFD.


Plus the Charter and ModPol.

I don't expect you to see the Americanisms in there.


So what? Since you seem to be completely clueless, here's what must be
a huge enlightenment to you:

RFDs are not created from scratch. People almost always take the RFD
(and ModPol) of an existing group and just modify it for the new group.
And BTW - this happens not only in RFDs - it is a common practice
around the world in many different areas. And it's also not limited to
printed material.

And you'll find all moderated groups will have very similar Charters and
ModPols. In fact, I would highly expect that the RFD for rram was
copied from another moderated newsgroup's RFD.

Once again you're grasping at straws.

But that is immaterial since he has no say in the running of either
newsgroup, and anyone can create an RFD.


If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has the antecedents of
a duck, it's a duck.


If it walks like a troll, quacks like a troll, and has the antecedents
of a troll, it's a troll.

Either that or your grasping at straws to try to make your argument.
And it isn't working.


But you don't seem to be able to understand the difference between
apples and oranges.


Don't go shopping for poultry, or you may be very disappointed.


You obviously can't understand the difference between apples and
oranges. Either that or you're grasping at straws, trying to make you
point - and failing miserably.

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Stephen Thomas Cole[_3_] December 3rd 14 03:38 PM

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Fred Roberts wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:46:21 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Thomas Cole
Don't you start again or I'll start again, ok?


I'm not starting anything, Frank. I'm genuinely interested to understand
your POV on this, as I simply can't wrap my head around the suggestion that
provision for the disabled is a bad thing.


There you go again. No one has a problem with provision for the
disabled.


You clearly stated that you disagree with questions being read out to
candidates and the answers being written down for them.

Why do you continually state that the less intelligent are
disabled? They are not. I have a problem with the dense. I have a
problem with the dense and those pretending to be dense being given
"assistance" that beggars belief.


What assistance? Do you have any evidence to back this up?

What do I mean by dense? Look no
further than the Jocktards posting here. Do you think such scum belong
in amateur radio? They don't. I have major problems as does any right
thinking person about special provision being made for such people.


What evidence do you have that reader and scribe services have been
supplied to those who don't need it?

CB radio and PMR 446
exists for such people. This is a technical pursuit not a hobby that
was always within reach of anyone prepared to make an effort - ANYONE.
It did not need to be dumbed down to the level it has been. You *seem*
to be a clever chap Stephen you tell me why such people aren't allowed
readers and scribe assistants in their pursuit to become brain
surgeons and why such people aren't allowed to drive on our roads.


None of that remotely addresses the question, which is; why shouldn't
people with disabilities be provided services (reader and scribe) to help
them access amateur radio?


Disabled and dense are two entirely different things and you know it.


It's a fine line you're walking there, Frank. Unless you'd like to share
your clinical psychiatry qualifications and experience with us, I'd steer
clear of defining who has a disability and who doesn't if I were you.

--
Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

Spike[_3_] December 3rd 14 03:40 PM

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On 03/12/14 15:30, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/3/2014 10:15 AM, Spike wrote:


Which has absolutely nothing to do with ukram. They are two different
newsgroups, with two different audiences and two different moderation
teams. The only thing they have in common is the proposer of the RFD.


Plus the Charter and ModPol.


I don't expect you to see the Americanisms in there.


So what? Since you seem to be completely clueless, here's what must be
a huge enlightenment to you:


Ad hominem

RFDs are not created from scratch.


Only by the lazy, or those seeking some form of 'authority'.

People almost always take the RFD
(and ModPol) of an existing group and just modify it for the new group.
And BTW - this happens not only in RFDs - it is a common practice
around the world in many different areas. And it's also not limited to
printed material.


That explains a lot. What a glorious chance was missed here.

And you'll find all moderated groups will have very similar Charters and
ModPols. In fact, I would highly expect that the RFD for rram was
copied from another moderated newsgroup's RFD.


Ad populum.

Once again you're grasping at straws.


Ad hominem.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has the antecedents of
a duck, it's a duck.


If it walks like a troll, quacks like a troll, and has the antecedents
of a troll, it's a troll.


Oh, I'd agree with you there. But I'm a nice chap and overlook the
negative side of others.

Don't go shopping for poultry, or you may be very disappointed.


You obviously can't understand the difference between apples and
oranges. Either that or you're grasping at straws, trying to make you
point - and failing miserably.


I've got a feeling I might get the point across, if I say it often enough:

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has the antecedents of
a duck, it's a duck.


--
Spike

"Hard cases, it has frequently been observed, are apt to introduce bad
law". Judge Rolfe


gareth December 3rd 14 03:47 PM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
"Fred Roberts" wrote in message
...

You first Stephen, you're the one who introduced disability into this
thread , not I.


And it is M6CIR who is squirming and back-pedalling furiously



Stephen Thomas Cole[_3_] December 3rd 14 03:49 PM

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Fred Roberts wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:38:47 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Thomas Cole
wrote:

There you go again. No one has a problem with provision for the
disabled.


You clearly stated that you disagree with questions being read out to
candidates and the answers being written down for them.


I do. Being less intelligent doesn't mean disabled.


Do you have a clinical psychiatry qualification?

Why do you continually state that the less intelligent are
disabled? They are not. I have a problem with the dense. I have a
problem with the dense and those pretending to be dense being given
"assistance" that beggars belief.


What assistance? Do you have any evidence to back this up?


Yes.


Please post it. If you refuse to, I can only conclude that you're lying.

What do I mean by dense? Look no
further than the Jocktards posting here. Do you think such scum belong
in amateur radio? They don't. I have major problems as does any right
thinking person about special provision being made for such people.


What evidence do you have that reader and scribe services have been
supplied to those who don't need it?


I have posted the details before only to have them roundly rubbished
by Katie.


Please post *evidence*, not unfounded accusations.

CB radio and PMR 446
exists for such people. This is a technical pursuit not a hobby that
was always within reach of anyone prepared to make an effort - ANYONE.
It did not need to be dumbed down to the level it has been. You *seem*
to be a clever chap Stephen you tell me why such people aren't allowed
readers and scribe assistants in their pursuit to become brain
surgeons and why such people aren't allowed to drive on our roads.

None of that remotely addresses the question, which is; why shouldn't
people with disabilities be provided services (reader and scribe) to help
them access amateur radio?

Disabled and dense are two entirely different things and you know it.


It's a fine line you're walking there, Frank. Unless you'd like to share
your clinical psychiatry qualifications and experience with us, I'd steer
clear of defining who has a disability and who doesn't if I were you.


You first Stephen, you're the one who introduced disability into this
thread , not I.


You attacked the provision of reader and scribe, a service for the
disabled, not I.

--
Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

Jerry Stuckle December 3rd 14 05:11 PM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
On 12/3/2014 10:39 AM, Fred Roberts wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:22:32 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
wrote:

[snip]

I have read the thread. To refresh your memory:


Ok..

Stephen:

I, for one, am very happy that our hobby has provision to accommodate
disabled individuals, through supply of reader and scribe assistance.
Why aren't you, Frank?

You:

Don't you start again or I'll start again, ok? CB radio and PMR 446
exists for such people...

An obvious bias against disabled people, even if you don't want to admit it.


Now then, Jerry I'll make this really simple for you as you are
clearly struggling to keep up. I am not talking about the disabled,
you have fallen for a red herring introduced by STC. Clear?


You specifically replied to a comment on the disabled. How can you NOT
be talking about the disabled?

[snip for brevity - your feel good about yourself stuff]

Where? You show a distinct lack of English comprehension and you are
guilty of falling for the propaganda posted by Cole and Reay oh, you
also talk crap.


By your statements, as noted above.

But you can't take back your words, so you start with the ad hominim
attacks.


I don't take back my words. I have nowhere discriminated against the
disabled. Nowhere. You seem to be incapable or unwilling to understand
what I actually posted. You Jerry, started the ad hominem attacks by
stating that I was prejudiced. I killfiled you over in UKNNC, I'm
about to do the same here.


You replied to a post specifically about the disabled.

Accusing someone of being prejudiced is not an ad hominim attack -
except to the thin skinned.

And do you REALLY think killfiling me hurts me in any way? ROFLMAO!

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry, AI0K

==================

Jerry Stuckle December 3rd 14 05:12 PM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
On 12/3/2014 10:40 AM, Spike wrote:
On 03/12/14 15:30, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/3/2014 10:15 AM, Spike wrote:


Which has absolutely nothing to do with ukram. They are two different
newsgroups, with two different audiences and two different moderation
teams. The only thing they have in common is the proposer of the RFD.


Plus the Charter and ModPol.


I don't expect you to see the Americanisms in there.


So what? Since you seem to be completely clueless, here's what must be
a huge enlightenment to you:


Ad hominem

RFDs are not created from scratch.


Only by the lazy, or those seeking some form of 'authority'.

People almost always take the RFD
(and ModPol) of an existing group and just modify it for the new group.
And BTW - this happens not only in RFDs - it is a common practice
around the world in many different areas. And it's also not limited to
printed material.


That explains a lot. What a glorious chance was missed here.

And you'll find all moderated groups will have very similar Charters and
ModPols. In fact, I would highly expect that the RFD for rram was
copied from another moderated newsgroup's RFD.


Ad populum.

Once again you're grasping at straws.


Ad hominem.


ROFLMAO!

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has the antecedents of
a duck, it's a duck.


If it walks like a troll, quacks like a troll, and has the antecedents
of a troll, it's a troll.


Oh, I'd agree with you there. But I'm a nice chap and overlook the
negative side of others.


ROFLMAO!

Don't go shopping for poultry, or you may be very disappointed.


You obviously can't understand the difference between apples and
oranges. Either that or you're grasping at straws, trying to make you
point - and failing miserably.


I've got a feeling I might get the point across, if I say it often enough:

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has the antecedents of
a duck, it's a duck.



You either can't understand the difference between apples and oranges,
or you are grasping at straws, trying desperately to make your point -
and failing miserably.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry, AI0K

==================

Wymsey[_2_] December 3rd 14 05:26 PM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 12:11:05 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

And do you REALLY think killfiling me hurts me in any way?


I sincerely I hope it does not.

plonk




--
M0WYM
Sales @ radiowymsey
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Sales-At-Radio-Wymsey/


Spike[_3_] December 3rd 14 05:33 PM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
On 03/12/14 17:12, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/3/2014 10:40 AM, Spike wrote:


If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has the antecedents of
a duck, it's a duck.


You either can't understand the difference between apples and oranges,
or you are grasping at straws, trying desperately to make your point -
and failing miserably.


I admit I'm not making my point as far as you are concerned, but that's
your problem, not mine. I could care less (US); I couldn't care less (UK).


--
Spike

"Hard cases, it has frequently been observed, are apt to introduce bad
law". Judge Rolfe


Brian Reay[_5_] December 3rd 14 05:34 PM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
On 03/12/14 17:11, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/3/2014 10:39 AM, Fred Roberts wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:22:32 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
wrote:

[snip]

I have read the thread. To refresh your memory:


Ok..

Stephen:

I, for one, am very happy that our hobby has provision to accommodate
disabled individuals, through supply of reader and scribe assistance.
Why aren't you, Frank?

You:

Don't you start again or I'll start again, ok? CB radio and PMR 446
exists for such people...

An obvious bias against disabled people, even if you don't want to admit it.


Now then, Jerry I'll make this really simple for you as you are
clearly struggling to keep up. I am not talking about the disabled,
you have fallen for a red herring introduced by STC. Clear?


You specifically replied to a comment on the disabled. How can you NOT
be talking about the disabled?

[snip for brevity - your feel good about yourself stuff]

Where? You show a distinct lack of English comprehension and you are
guilty of falling for the propaganda posted by Cole and Reay oh, you
also talk crap.


By your statements, as noted above.

But you can't take back your words, so you start with the ad hominim
attacks.


I don't take back my words. I have nowhere discriminated against the
disabled. Nowhere. You seem to be incapable or unwilling to understand
what I actually posted. You Jerry, started the ad hominem attacks by
stating that I was prejudiced. I killfiled you over in UKNNC, I'm
about to do the same here.


You replied to a post specifically about the disabled.

Accusing someone of being prejudiced is not an ad hominim attack -
except to the thin skinned.

And do you REALLY think killfiling me hurts me in any way? ROFLMAO!


The problem is Jerry, he never does kill file people. He would get lonely.





Jerry Stuckle December 3rd 14 09:01 PM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
On 12/3/2014 12:34 PM, Brian Reay wrote:
On 03/12/14 17:11, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/3/2014 10:39 AM, Fred Roberts wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:22:32 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
wrote:

[snip]

I have read the thread. To refresh your memory:

Ok..

Stephen:

I, for one, am very happy that our hobby has provision to accommodate
disabled individuals, through supply of reader and scribe assistance.
Why aren't you, Frank?

You:

Don't you start again or I'll start again, ok? CB radio and PMR 446
exists for such people...

An obvious bias against disabled people, even if you don't want to
admit it.

Now then, Jerry I'll make this really simple for you as you are
clearly struggling to keep up. I am not talking about the disabled,
you have fallen for a red herring introduced by STC. Clear?


You specifically replied to a comment on the disabled. How can you NOT
be talking about the disabled?

[snip for brevity - your feel good about yourself stuff]

Where? You show a distinct lack of English comprehension and you are
guilty of falling for the propaganda posted by Cole and Reay oh, you
also talk crap.


By your statements, as noted above.

But you can't take back your words, so you start with the ad hominim
attacks.

I don't take back my words. I have nowhere discriminated against the
disabled. Nowhere. You seem to be incapable or unwilling to understand
what I actually posted. You Jerry, started the ad hominem attacks by
stating that I was prejudiced. I killfiled you over in UKNNC, I'm
about to do the same here.


You replied to a post specifically about the disabled.

Accusing someone of being prejudiced is not an ad hominim attack -
except to the thin skinned.

And do you REALLY think killfiling me hurts me in any way? ROFLMAO!


The problem is Jerry, he never does kill file people. He would get lonely.



Hi, Brian,

ROFLMAO! IRDGAS if he does or doesn't. And I'll be that REALLY ****es
him off :)

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry, AI0K

==================

Jerry Stuckle December 3rd 14 09:03 PM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
On 12/3/2014 12:33 PM, Spike wrote:
On 03/12/14 17:12, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/3/2014 10:40 AM, Spike wrote:


If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has the antecedents of
a duck, it's a duck.


You either can't understand the difference between apples and oranges,
or you are grasping at straws, trying desperately to make your point -
and failing miserably.


I admit I'm not making my point as far as you are concerned, but that's
your problem, not mine. I could care less (US); I couldn't care less (UK).



It's not only me - it's others here, also. And by continuing to try to
compare apples and oranges, you only make yourself look sillier (if
that's possible).

And now you're back to the "care less" argument, eh, Spike? You still
think you know more about U.S. idioms than people who live in the U.S.

Sillier yet!

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry, AI0K

==================

Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI December 3rd 14 10:27 PM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
"Fred Roberts" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 17:34:51 +0000, Brian Reay wrote:
The problem is Jerry, he never does kill file people. He would get lonely.


When I killfile people I really do killfile them. You're the only
poster in here that I am aware of who was outed for running a bogus
killfile.

I shall apply to the Court of Human Rights (or whatever it's called at this
moment) for an order that I be placed in everybody's kill file. No
discrimination, everybody's kill file.
..
..
..
.... or maybe I'll just pour myself another drinK.
--
;-)
..
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
..
http://turner-smith.co.uk


Spike[_3_] December 3rd 14 10:49 PM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
On 03/12/14 21:03, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/3/2014 12:33 PM, Spike wrote:
On 03/12/14 17:12, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 12/3/2014 10:40 AM, Spike wrote:


If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has the antecedents of
a duck, it's a duck.


You either can't understand the difference between apples and oranges,
or you are grasping at straws, trying desperately to make your point -
and failing miserably.


I admit I'm not making my point as far as you are concerned, but that's
your problem, not mine. I could care less (US); I couldn't care less (UK).


It's not only me - it's others here, also. And by continuing to try to
compare apples and oranges, you only make yourself look sillier (if
that's possible).


And now you're back to the "care less" argument, eh, Spike? You still
think you know more about U.S. idioms than people who live in the U.S.


Sillier yet!


Thanks for confirming that you don't understand what's going on.


--
Spike

"Hard cases, it has frequently been observed, are apt to introduce bad
law". Judge Rolfe


A. non Eyemouse December 4th 14 02:12 AM

Yaesu rises again!?
 
On 03/12/2014 19:26, Brian Reay wrote:
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
g8dgc wrote:
Spike wrote:

On 02/12/14 17:07, g8dgc wrote:
Spike wrote:

And we don't want Stuckle over here. Isn't the US big enough for you?

TINW

This is not working?

"There Is No We".


+1. I've never understood many of the anti squad's distaste of Americans,
it always seems to be bubbling away just under the surface, ready to show
its shameful face in an argument as it has here with Spike. Maybe a GI
nicked their girlfriend during the war and they're still smarting over it?


Americans tend to have a low tolerance for bovine muck.


You've been watching that George Carlin video haven't you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsT0S0575HU [NSFW]

--
Mouse.
Where Morse meets House.


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