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Pawe³ Stobiñski October 11th 03 07:58 PM

100W HF power amplifier
 
Hi all;

I plan to build an HF power amplifier, output about 80-100W, not critical.
It might look like as those used in popular Yaesu, Kenwood or Icom end PA
stages, i.e. first stage as driver and the second as final amp., both in
push-pull, transformer-separated. It should run directly with 13.8V supply.
Of course, everything based on popular transistors as MRFxxx, 2SCxxxx,
2SDxxxx, IRFxxx MOS or russian (would be the best, since there are no
problems with buying ones in my country). I've spend several evenings
searching in googles, but I've failed to find anything suitable for me.
Either I'm such a demanding person, or missed something while looking up in
endless vastness of the internet. If anyone knew a well-designed project, or
built one whenever in past, it would be welcome.

TIA

--
Pawe³ Stobiñski SQ9NRY
Republic of Poland



Paul Burridge October 11th 03 09:35 PM

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:58:22 +0200, "Pawe³ Stobiñski"
wrote:

Hi all;

I plan to build an HF power amplifier, output about 80-100W, not critical.
It might look like as those used in popular Yaesu, Kenwood or Icom end PA
stages, i.e. first stage as driver and the second as final amp., both in
push-pull, transformer-separated. It should run directly with 13.8V supply.
Of course, everything based on popular transistors as MRFxxx, 2SCxxxx,
2SDxxxx, IRFxxx MOS or russian (would be the best, since there are no
problems with buying ones in my country). I've spend several evenings
searching in googles, but I've failed to find anything suitable for me.
Either I'm such a demanding person, or missed something while looking up in
endless vastness of the internet. If anyone knew a well-designed project, or
built one whenever in past, it would be welcome.


Why not just copy a suitable proprietory schematic? What's the problem
with that?
--

"Windows [n.], A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch
to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit
microprocessor and produced by a two bit company."

Paul Burridge October 11th 03 09:35 PM

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:58:22 +0200, "Pawe³ Stobiñski"
wrote:

Hi all;

I plan to build an HF power amplifier, output about 80-100W, not critical.
It might look like as those used in popular Yaesu, Kenwood or Icom end PA
stages, i.e. first stage as driver and the second as final amp., both in
push-pull, transformer-separated. It should run directly with 13.8V supply.
Of course, everything based on popular transistors as MRFxxx, 2SCxxxx,
2SDxxxx, IRFxxx MOS or russian (would be the best, since there are no
problems with buying ones in my country). I've spend several evenings
searching in googles, but I've failed to find anything suitable for me.
Either I'm such a demanding person, or missed something while looking up in
endless vastness of the internet. If anyone knew a well-designed project, or
built one whenever in past, it would be welcome.


Why not just copy a suitable proprietory schematic? What's the problem
with that?
--

"Windows [n.], A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch
to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit
microprocessor and produced by a two bit company."

Mike W October 12th 03 02:00 AM

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:58:22 +0200, "Pawe³ Stobiñski"
wrote:

Hi all;

I plan to build an HF power amplifier, output about 80-100W, not critical.
It might look like as those used in popular Yaesu, Kenwood or Icom end PA
stages, i.e. first stage as driver and the second as final amp.

snipped

Have you looked at Motorola's website?. There are a good number of
Application Notes there with amps from 10w to Kw's for HF to uWave
described in detail. There is also a company in US that stocks the
'hard to find' bits, and Kits, for them. Sadly I can't find the URL at
the moment.


Mike W October 12th 03 02:00 AM

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:58:22 +0200, "Pawe³ Stobiñski"
wrote:

Hi all;

I plan to build an HF power amplifier, output about 80-100W, not critical.
It might look like as those used in popular Yaesu, Kenwood or Icom end PA
stages, i.e. first stage as driver and the second as final amp.

snipped

Have you looked at Motorola's website?. There are a good number of
Application Notes there with amps from 10w to Kw's for HF to uWave
described in detail. There is also a company in US that stocks the
'hard to find' bits, and Kits, for them. Sadly I can't find the URL at
the moment.


Bruce Raymond October 12th 03 02:22 AM

Could be RF Parts?

http://www.rfparts.com/mototran.html

- Bruce Raymond/ND8I


"Mike W" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:58:22 +0200, "Pawe³ Stobiñski"
wrote:

Hi all;

I plan to build an HF power amplifier, output about 80-100W, not

critical.
It might look like as those used in popular Yaesu, Kenwood or Icom end PA
stages, i.e. first stage as driver and the second as final amp.

snipped

Have you looked at Motorola's website?. There are a good number of
Application Notes there with amps from 10w to Kw's for HF to uWave
described in detail. There is also a company in US that stocks the
'hard to find' bits, and Kits, for them. Sadly I can't find the URL at
the moment.




Bruce Raymond October 12th 03 02:22 AM

Could be RF Parts?

http://www.rfparts.com/mototran.html

- Bruce Raymond/ND8I


"Mike W" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:58:22 +0200, "Pawe³ Stobiñski"
wrote:

Hi all;

I plan to build an HF power amplifier, output about 80-100W, not

critical.
It might look like as those used in popular Yaesu, Kenwood or Icom end PA
stages, i.e. first stage as driver and the second as final amp.

snipped

Have you looked at Motorola's website?. There are a good number of
Application Notes there with amps from 10w to Kw's for HF to uWave
described in detail. There is also a company in US that stocks the
'hard to find' bits, and Kits, for them. Sadly I can't find the URL at
the moment.




Pawel Stobinski October 12th 03 07:48 PM

Paul Burridge wrote:
Why not just copy a suitable proprietory schematic? What's the problem
with that?


Yes, that's a good idea, however it is not always possible to decipher
values of the elements, number of turns, type of magnetic material and so
on. You cannot determine board layout, either. I believe it is relevant to
the circuit not to start oscillating.

--
Pawel Stobinski SQ9NRY
Republic



Pawel Stobinski October 12th 03 07:48 PM

Paul Burridge wrote:
Why not just copy a suitable proprietory schematic? What's the problem
with that?


Yes, that's a good idea, however it is not always possible to decipher
values of the elements, number of turns, type of magnetic material and so
on. You cannot determine board layout, either. I believe it is relevant to
the circuit not to start oscillating.

--
Pawel Stobinski SQ9NRY
Republic



Pawe³ Stobiñski October 12th 03 07:49 PM

Mike W wrote:
Have you looked at Motorola's website?. There are a good number of
Application Notes there with amps from 10w to Kw's for HF to uWave
described in detail. There is also a company in US that stocks the
'hard to find' bits, and Kits, for them. Sadly I can't find the URL at
the moment.


Thanks!

--
Pawe³ Stobiñski SQ9NRY
Republic of Poland



Pawe³ Stobiñski October 12th 03 07:49 PM

Mike W wrote:
Have you looked at Motorola's website?. There are a good number of
Application Notes there with amps from 10w to Kw's for HF to uWave
described in detail. There is also a company in US that stocks the
'hard to find' bits, and Kits, for them. Sadly I can't find the URL at
the moment.


Thanks!

--
Pawe³ Stobiñski SQ9NRY
Republic of Poland



Mike W October 13th 03 05:28 AM

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:22:41 GMT, "Bruce Raymond"
wrote:

Could be RF Parts?

http://www.rfparts.com/mototran.html

No, The site I referred to sells Kits of all the hard to get parts for
the Motorola RF amps, at a very good price too. Far less than Mainline
used to sell the same thing.
I've had a search on the web tonight and can't find the damn place.


Mike W October 13th 03 05:28 AM

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:22:41 GMT, "Bruce Raymond"
wrote:

Could be RF Parts?

http://www.rfparts.com/mototran.html

No, The site I referred to sells Kits of all the hard to get parts for
the Motorola RF amps, at a very good price too. Far less than Mainline
used to sell the same thing.
I've had a search on the web tonight and can't find the damn place.


Paul Jaeger October 13th 03 05:27 PM

Mike W wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:22:41 GMT, "Bruce Raymond"
wrote:

Could be RF Parts?

http://www.rfparts.com/mototran.html

No, The site I referred to sells Kits of all the hard to get parts for
the Motorola RF amps, at a very good price too. Far less than Mainline
used to sell the same thing.
I've had a search on the web tonight and can't find the damn place.


http://www.communication-concepts.com/default.htm

73,
PJ

Paul Jaeger October 13th 03 05:27 PM

Mike W wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:22:41 GMT, "Bruce Raymond"
wrote:

Could be RF Parts?

http://www.rfparts.com/mototran.html

No, The site I referred to sells Kits of all the hard to get parts for
the Motorola RF amps, at a very good price too. Far less than Mainline
used to sell the same thing.
I've had a search on the web tonight and can't find the damn place.


http://www.communication-concepts.com/default.htm

73,
PJ

Avery Fineman October 13th 03 10:47 PM

In article , Paul Jaeger
writes:

Mike W wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:22:41 GMT, "Bruce Raymond"
wrote:

Could be RF Parts?

http://www.rfparts.com/mototran.html

No, The site I referred to sells Kits of all the hard to get parts for
the Motorola RF amps, at a very good price too. Far less than Mainline
used to sell the same thing.
I've had a search on the web tonight and can't find the damn place.


http://www.communication-concepts.com/default.htm


Communications Concepts continues to advertise in printed media.
They still have advertisements in RF Design, an electronics trade
publication.

Haven't looked at Communications Concepts web site lately but a
couple years ago their reproduced Motorola application notes,
most authored by Motorola's Helge Granberg, were of less than
best quality in PDF. Still readable, though.

Len Anderson
retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person

Avery Fineman October 13th 03 10:47 PM

In article , Paul Jaeger
writes:

Mike W wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:22:41 GMT, "Bruce Raymond"
wrote:

Could be RF Parts?

http://www.rfparts.com/mototran.html

No, The site I referred to sells Kits of all the hard to get parts for
the Motorola RF amps, at a very good price too. Far less than Mainline
used to sell the same thing.
I've had a search on the web tonight and can't find the damn place.


http://www.communication-concepts.com/default.htm


Communications Concepts continues to advertise in printed media.
They still have advertisements in RF Design, an electronics trade
publication.

Haven't looked at Communications Concepts web site lately but a
couple years ago their reproduced Motorola application notes,
most authored by Motorola's Helge Granberg, were of less than
best quality in PDF. Still readable, though.

Len Anderson
retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person

Mike W October 14th 03 12:29 AM

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:27:10 -0700, Paul Jaeger
wrote:

Mike W wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:22:41 GMT, "Bruce Raymond"
wrote:

Could be RF Parts?

http://www.rfparts.com/mototran.html

No, The site I referred to sells Kits of all the hard to get parts for
the Motorola RF amps, at a very good price too. Far less than Mainline
used to sell the same thing.
I've had a search on the web tonight and can't find the damn place.


http://www.communication-concepts.com/default.htm

73,
PJ


Thanks PJ, I spent about 3 hours searching last night without success.
I wish we had a resource like that in UK.
Your help appreciated and the URL bookmarked and backed-up
atb Mike W, G8NXD


Mike W October 14th 03 12:29 AM

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:27:10 -0700, Paul Jaeger
wrote:

Mike W wrote:

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:22:41 GMT, "Bruce Raymond"
wrote:

Could be RF Parts?

http://www.rfparts.com/mototran.html

No, The site I referred to sells Kits of all the hard to get parts for
the Motorola RF amps, at a very good price too. Far less than Mainline
used to sell the same thing.
I've had a search on the web tonight and can't find the damn place.


http://www.communication-concepts.com/default.htm

73,
PJ


Thanks PJ, I spent about 3 hours searching last night without success.
I wish we had a resource like that in UK.
Your help appreciated and the URL bookmarked and backed-up
atb Mike W, G8NXD


G.Beat October 14th 03 10:58 PM

"Pawe³ Stobiñski" wrote in message
...
Mike W wrote:
Have you looked at Motorola's website?. There are a good number of
Application Notes there with amps from 10w to Kw's for HF to uWave
described in detail. There is also a company in US that stocks the
'hard to find' bits, and Kits, for them. Sadly I can't find the URL at
the moment.


Thanks!

--
Pawe³ Stobiñski SQ9NRY
Republic of Poland

You should start with the books and Motorola Applicaiton notes by Helge
Genberg (sk).
Some libraries may have it, or you can order from RF Parts.
http://www.rfparts.com/tranbook.html

RADIO FREQUENCY TRANSISTORS, Principles and Practical Applications
Co-authored with Norman Dye should be your bible for this project.
2nd edition • 290 pages • 1.25 lbs Part #: RFT • Price: $44.95

Adobe Acrobat copies of the Motorola Application Notes
http://www.communication-concepts.co...tion_notes.htm

w9gb



G.Beat October 14th 03 10:58 PM

"Pawe³ Stobiñski" wrote in message
...
Mike W wrote:
Have you looked at Motorola's website?. There are a good number of
Application Notes there with amps from 10w to Kw's for HF to uWave
described in detail. There is also a company in US that stocks the
'hard to find' bits, and Kits, for them. Sadly I can't find the URL at
the moment.


Thanks!

--
Pawe³ Stobiñski SQ9NRY
Republic of Poland

You should start with the books and Motorola Applicaiton notes by Helge
Genberg (sk).
Some libraries may have it, or you can order from RF Parts.
http://www.rfparts.com/tranbook.html

RADIO FREQUENCY TRANSISTORS, Principles and Practical Applications
Co-authored with Norman Dye should be your bible for this project.
2nd edition • 290 pages • 1.25 lbs Part #: RFT • Price: $44.95

Adobe Acrobat copies of the Motorola Application Notes
http://www.communication-concepts.co...tion_notes.htm

w9gb




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