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Any FM band RX projects?
Hi. Anybody developed a nbfm RX project covering the FM band (appx
87.5Mhz-108Mhx). With digital readout, though I suppose I could just hook up a simple a frequency counter to read frequency. TIA. Rich. |
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says... Hi. Anybody developed a nbfm RX project covering the FM band (appx 87.5Mhz-108Mhx). NBFM? As in narrow band? What would be the point? Here in the U.S. at least, that entire band is assigned to FM broadcasting, and it is anything but narrow-band. Typical deviation from a broadcast station is 75+ kHz. -- Dr. Anton Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute (Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR) kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t c&o&m Motorola Radio Programming & Service Available - http://www.bluefeathertech.com/rf.html "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green) |
Dr. A.T. Squeegee wrote:
In article , says... Hi. Anybody developed a nbfm RX project covering the FM band (appx 87.5Mhz-108Mhx). NBFM? As in narrow band? What would be the point? Here in the U.S. at least, that entire band is assigned to FM broadcasting, and it is anything but narrow-band. Typical deviation from a broadcast station is 75+ kHz. Maybe I used the wrong term. I think lots of HiFi tuners have very wide filters much greater than 75 Khz. For DXing it seems then you need no more than say 75Khz. A tuner with that bandwidth would, in a sense, (Ithink) compared to a regular HiFi tuneer be a narrow bandwidth tuner. BTW, what would be the result if you used say a 20Khz filter on a FM signal with 75 Khz deviation? Would you get distortion or a perfectly copyable signal. I mean is it the analagous to using a 2Khz filter for an AM signal transmitted at 6Khz wide? |
Dr. A.T. Squeegee wrote:
In article , says... Hi. Anybody developed a nbfm RX project covering the FM band (appx 87.5Mhz-108Mhx). NBFM? As in narrow band? What would be the point? Here in the U.S. at least, that entire band is assigned to FM broadcasting, and it is anything but narrow-band. Typical deviation from a broadcast station is 75+ kHz. Maybe I used the wrong term. I think lots of HiFi tuners have very wide filters much greater than 75 Khz. For DXing it seems then you need no more than say 75Khz. A tuner with that bandwidth would, in a sense, (Ithink) compared to a regular HiFi tuneer be a narrow bandwidth tuner. BTW, what would be the result if you used say a 20Khz filter on a FM signal with 75 Khz deviation? Would you get distortion or a perfectly copyable signal. I mean is it the analagous to using a 2Khz filter for an AM signal transmitted at 6Khz wide? |
It wouldn't be quite the same. You would be clipping the sidebands, and
experience quite a bit of distortion. A 110kHz filter is about as narrow as you can go. I've been meaning to come up with a tuner that would be in the class of a McIntosh MR78 for the past couple of years, but something has always come up. Maybe after my current project, I will do this, if there is enough interest. Pete Richard wrote in message ... Dr. A.T. Squeegee wrote: In article , says... Hi. Anybody developed a nbfm RX project covering the FM band (appx 87.5Mhz-108Mhx). NBFM? As in narrow band? What would be the point? Here in the U.S. at least, that entire band is assigned to FM broadcasting, and it is anything but narrow-band. Typical deviation from a broadcast station is 75+ kHz. Maybe I used the wrong term. I think lots of HiFi tuners have very wide filters much greater than 75 Khz. For DXing it seems then you need no more than say 75Khz. A tuner with that bandwidth would, in a sense, (Ithink) compared to a regular HiFi tuneer be a narrow bandwidth tuner. BTW, what would be the result if you used say a 20Khz filter on a FM signal with 75 Khz deviation? Would you get distortion or a perfectly copyable signal. I mean is it the analagous to using a 2Khz filter for an AM signal transmitted at 6Khz wide? |
It wouldn't be quite the same. You would be clipping the sidebands, and
experience quite a bit of distortion. A 110kHz filter is about as narrow as you can go. I've been meaning to come up with a tuner that would be in the class of a McIntosh MR78 for the past couple of years, but something has always come up. Maybe after my current project, I will do this, if there is enough interest. Pete Richard wrote in message ... Dr. A.T. Squeegee wrote: In article , says... Hi. Anybody developed a nbfm RX project covering the FM band (appx 87.5Mhz-108Mhx). NBFM? As in narrow band? What would be the point? Here in the U.S. at least, that entire band is assigned to FM broadcasting, and it is anything but narrow-band. Typical deviation from a broadcast station is 75+ kHz. Maybe I used the wrong term. I think lots of HiFi tuners have very wide filters much greater than 75 Khz. For DXing it seems then you need no more than say 75Khz. A tuner with that bandwidth would, in a sense, (Ithink) compared to a regular HiFi tuneer be a narrow bandwidth tuner. BTW, what would be the result if you used say a 20Khz filter on a FM signal with 75 Khz deviation? Would you get distortion or a perfectly copyable signal. I mean is it the analagous to using a 2Khz filter for an AM signal transmitted at 6Khz wide? |
"Pete KE9OA" wrote in message ... It wouldn't be quite the same. You would be clipping the sidebands, and experience quite a bit of distortion. A 110kHz filter is about as narrow as you can go. I've been meaning to come up with a tuner that would be in the class of a McIntosh MR78 for the past couple of years, but something has always come up. Maybe after my current project, I will do this, if there is enough interest. Pete I hear that FM RX's are pretty complicated affairs. Most FM DXers it seems just modify commercial sets. Reduce bandwidth from say 230Khz to 110 Khz. I suppose that going this way has quite a lot of merit. Cheaper probably. |
"Pete KE9OA" wrote in message ... It wouldn't be quite the same. You would be clipping the sidebands, and experience quite a bit of distortion. A 110kHz filter is about as narrow as you can go. I've been meaning to come up with a tuner that would be in the class of a McIntosh MR78 for the past couple of years, but something has always come up. Maybe after my current project, I will do this, if there is enough interest. Pete I hear that FM RX's are pretty complicated affairs. Most FM DXers it seems just modify commercial sets. Reduce bandwidth from say 230Khz to 110 Khz. I suppose that going this way has quite a lot of merit. Cheaper probably. |
In article , "Richard"
writes: Dr. A.T. Squeegee wrote: In article , says... Hi. Anybody developed a nbfm RX project covering the FM band (appx 87.5Mhz-108Mhx). NBFM? As in narrow band? What would be the point? Here in the U.S. at least, that entire band is assigned to FM broadcasting, and it is anything but narrow-band. Typical deviation from a broadcast station is 75+ kHz. Maybe I used the wrong term. I think lots of HiFi tuners have very wide filters much greater than 75 Khz. For DXing it seems then you need no more than say 75Khz. A tuner with that bandwidth would, in a sense, (Ithink) compared to a regular HiFi tuneer be a narrow bandwidth tuner. BTW, what would be the result if you used say a 20Khz filter on a FM signal with 75 Khz deviation? Would you get distortion or a perfectly copyable signal. I mean is it the analagous to using a 2Khz filter for an AM signal transmitted at 6Khz wide? You need to refresh your personal databanks on basic modulation. In FM the modulation amplitude "swings the frequency up and down in frequency." [close and simplistic, there's a bit more to it...] Limiting the bandwidth of the receiver is the same as clipping the peaks of an amplitude modulation. You WILL get a LOT of distortion on high-amplitude modulation input at a station. In a limited-bandwidth AM receiver there is no limit on the amplitude of an AM signal, just the frequency range of the modulation signal. In a limited-bandwidth FM receiver there is both a limit on the amplitude and frequency range of the modulation signal. Len Anderson retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person |
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