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[email protected] February 11th 04 05:45 AM

Suggestions for painting aluminum
 
Bill Turner wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?


I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?


--
Bill, W6WRT


Imeron; used on airplanes and a bit pricey.

--
Jim Pennino

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[email protected] February 11th 04 05:45 AM

Bill Turner wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?


I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?


--
Bill, W6WRT


Imeron; used on airplanes and a bit pricey.

--
Jim Pennino

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K9SQG February 11th 04 05:53 AM

Bill,

Best primer is zinc-chromate. There are some other tips and tricks but without
a valid email address I can't go into detail.

73s,

Evan

K9SQG February 11th 04 05:53 AM

Bill,

Best primer is zinc-chromate. There are some other tips and tricks but without
a valid email address I can't go into detail.

73s,

Evan

Roger Conroy February 11th 04 07:14 AM


"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?

--
Bill, W6WRT

Take yourself to your nearest general aviation airport (dont bother with a
huge airline terminal airport - its way too damn difficult getting in) -
find a maintenence company, they paint alumnium regularly.



Roger Conroy February 11th 04 07:14 AM


"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?

--
Bill, W6WRT

Take yourself to your nearest general aviation airport (dont bother with a
huge airline terminal airport - its way too damn difficult getting in) -
find a maintenence company, they paint alumnium regularly.



donutbandit February 11th 04 11:22 AM

wrote in :

Imeron; used on airplanes and a bit pricey.


Imron is very special and pricy stuff. It requires a hardener and can frost
up your lungs if you don't use the proper breathing apparatus. In other
words, you die. It costs over $100 a gallon.

I simply cannot believe that anyone would recommend this paint in this
newsgroup for painting a bit of metal. Do you use rocket fuel in your car
as well?

You paint aluminum like any other metal.

It seems that the Internet has invented something that could never have
survived previously - the instant specialist. This person repeats any and
all gossip, rumors and inuendo as if it's fact, with no experience
whatsoever.

donutbandit February 11th 04 11:22 AM

wrote in :

Imeron; used on airplanes and a bit pricey.


Imron is very special and pricy stuff. It requires a hardener and can frost
up your lungs if you don't use the proper breathing apparatus. In other
words, you die. It costs over $100 a gallon.

I simply cannot believe that anyone would recommend this paint in this
newsgroup for painting a bit of metal. Do you use rocket fuel in your car
as well?

You paint aluminum like any other metal.

It seems that the Internet has invented something that could never have
survived previously - the instant specialist. This person repeats any and
all gossip, rumors and inuendo as if it's fact, with no experience
whatsoever.

Martin February 11th 04 01:50 PM


"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?

--
Bill, W6WRT


I've gotten the best results by first washing with a strong detergent,
drying, and then using fine steel wool (0000 grade), wiping with a tack
cloth to pick up any steel wool and other dust, and then using a zinc
chromate primer.




Martin February 11th 04 01:50 PM


"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?

--
Bill, W6WRT


I've gotten the best results by first washing with a strong detergent,
drying, and then using fine steel wool (0000 grade), wiping with a tack
cloth to pick up any steel wool and other dust, and then using a zinc
chromate primer.




Paul Burridge February 11th 04 02:59 PM

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:50:00 GMT, "Martin"
wrote:


"Bill Turner" wrote in message
.. .
Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?

--
Bill, W6WRT


I've gotten the best results by first washing with a strong detergent,
drying, and then using fine steel wool (0000 grade), wiping with a tack
cloth to pick up any steel wool and other dust, and then using a zinc
chromate primer.


Do youse guys in the US not have Hammerite paint? That's what we
mostly use here in Britain. It's top-notch stuff. Needs no priming or
special preparation at all; tough, durable, corrosion-resistant finish
suitable for exterior metalwork in all climates. Good range of colours
finishes and textures. And it's non-toxic. The only thing you need is
the special thinner (only for cleaning brushes or spray equipment -
not the application part).
--

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Paul Burridge February 11th 04 02:59 PM

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:50:00 GMT, "Martin"
wrote:


"Bill Turner" wrote in message
.. .
Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?

--
Bill, W6WRT


I've gotten the best results by first washing with a strong detergent,
drying, and then using fine steel wool (0000 grade), wiping with a tack
cloth to pick up any steel wool and other dust, and then using a zinc
chromate primer.


Do youse guys in the US not have Hammerite paint? That's what we
mostly use here in Britain. It's top-notch stuff. Needs no priming or
special preparation at all; tough, durable, corrosion-resistant finish
suitable for exterior metalwork in all climates. Good range of colours
finishes and textures. And it's non-toxic. The only thing you need is
the special thinner (only for cleaning brushes or spray equipment -
not the application part).
--

The BBC: Licensed at public expense to spread lies.

John Popelish February 11th 04 03:50 PM

Paul Burridge wrote:

Do youse guys in the US not have Hammerite paint? That's what we
mostly use here in Britain. It's top-notch stuff. Needs no priming or
special preparation at all; tough, durable, corrosion-resistant finish
suitable for exterior metalwork in all climates. Good range of colours
finishes and textures. And it's non-toxic. The only thing you need is
the special thinner (only for cleaning brushes or spray equipment -
not the application part).


I have bought it in the US. It is tough and good looking.

--
John Popelish

John Popelish February 11th 04 03:50 PM

Paul Burridge wrote:

Do youse guys in the US not have Hammerite paint? That's what we
mostly use here in Britain. It's top-notch stuff. Needs no priming or
special preparation at all; tough, durable, corrosion-resistant finish
suitable for exterior metalwork in all climates. Good range of colours
finishes and textures. And it's non-toxic. The only thing you need is
the special thinner (only for cleaning brushes or spray equipment -
not the application part).


I have bought it in the US. It is tough and good looking.

--
John Popelish

John Popelish February 11th 04 03:56 PM

Bill Turner wrote:

Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?

--
Bill, W6WRT


Most paint bonds well to aluminum oxide, if it is completely clean. I
think the best oxide for paint adhesion is a porous chromate anodize,
but thermal oxidation is very good, also. If the object can take the
heat, Wipe it with paint thinner, let dry, and bake it in a hot oven
(450 F) for an hour or so to evaporate or oxidize all traces of
surface oil and provide a good surface oxide. Do not touch it with
skin before painting.

--
John Popelish

John Popelish February 11th 04 03:56 PM

Bill Turner wrote:

Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?

--
Bill, W6WRT


Most paint bonds well to aluminum oxide, if it is completely clean. I
think the best oxide for paint adhesion is a porous chromate anodize,
but thermal oxidation is very good, also. If the object can take the
heat, Wipe it with paint thinner, let dry, and bake it in a hot oven
(450 F) for an hour or so to evaporate or oxidize all traces of
surface oil and provide a good surface oxide. Do not touch it with
skin before painting.

--
John Popelish

[email protected] February 11th 04 04:00 PM

donutbandit wrote:
wrote in :


Imeron; used on airplanes and a bit pricey.


Imron is very special and pricy stuff. It requires a hardener and can frost
up your lungs if you don't use the proper breathing apparatus. In other
words, you die. It costs over $100 a gallon.


I said it was pricey.

As for the danger, lots of things related to amateur radio can be dangerous
and can kill you.

Working on a KW amplifier is dangerous and can kill you if you don't know
what you are doing.

Doing just about anything with a tower is dangerous and can kill you if
you don't know what you are doing.

The paint, just like the tower, comes with safety instructions.

If someone is dumb enough to ignore safety instructions, well...

I simply cannot believe that anyone would recommend this paint in this
newsgroup for painting a bit of metal. Do you use rocket fuel in your car
as well?


You paint aluminum like any other metal.


The poster didn't ask HOW to paint aluminum, he asked about tough, long
lasting paint. Imeron is tough, long lasting paint.

It seems that the Internet has invented something that could never have
survived previously - the instant specialist. This person repeats any and
all gossip, rumors and inuendo as if it's fact, with no experience
whatsoever.


What makes you think I have no experience with Imeron?

Isn't it a bit condescending of you to decide what is too expensive or too
dangerous for someone else to use?

I credit the original poster with enough intelligence to make his own
decisions on that.

--
Jim Pennino

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[email protected] February 11th 04 04:00 PM

donutbandit wrote:
wrote in :


Imeron; used on airplanes and a bit pricey.


Imron is very special and pricy stuff. It requires a hardener and can frost
up your lungs if you don't use the proper breathing apparatus. In other
words, you die. It costs over $100 a gallon.


I said it was pricey.

As for the danger, lots of things related to amateur radio can be dangerous
and can kill you.

Working on a KW amplifier is dangerous and can kill you if you don't know
what you are doing.

Doing just about anything with a tower is dangerous and can kill you if
you don't know what you are doing.

The paint, just like the tower, comes with safety instructions.

If someone is dumb enough to ignore safety instructions, well...

I simply cannot believe that anyone would recommend this paint in this
newsgroup for painting a bit of metal. Do you use rocket fuel in your car
as well?


You paint aluminum like any other metal.


The poster didn't ask HOW to paint aluminum, he asked about tough, long
lasting paint. Imeron is tough, long lasting paint.

It seems that the Internet has invented something that could never have
survived previously - the instant specialist. This person repeats any and
all gossip, rumors and inuendo as if it's fact, with no experience
whatsoever.


What makes you think I have no experience with Imeron?

Isn't it a bit condescending of you to decide what is too expensive or too
dangerous for someone else to use?

I credit the original poster with enough intelligence to make his own
decisions on that.

--
Jim Pennino

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Mike W February 11th 04 05:43 PM

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:19:53 -0800, Bill Turner
wrote:

Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?

in UK there is a paint called Hammerite, you can get both "crincle"
{similar to the finish as used on the AR88} or smooth. cost is about 3
quid ( six dollars US ) for a small can or for a spray cannister, the
latter is easier to use but has less paint. It sticks well and can
give a very professional finish.
FWIW, Mike W
--


Mike W February 11th 04 05:43 PM

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:19:53 -0800, Bill Turner
wrote:

Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?

in UK there is a paint called Hammerite, you can get both "crincle"
{similar to the finish as used on the AR88} or smooth. cost is about 3
quid ( six dollars US ) for a small can or for a spray cannister, the
latter is easier to use but has less paint. It sticks well and can
give a very professional finish.
FWIW, Mike W
--


Martin February 11th 04 05:57 PM


"Paul Burridge" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:50:00 GMT, "Martin"
wrote:


"Bill Turner" wrote in message
.. .
Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?

--
Bill, W6WRT


I've gotten the best results by first washing with a strong detergent,
drying, and then using fine steel wool (0000 grade), wiping with a tack
cloth to pick up any steel wool and other dust, and then using a zinc
chromate primer.


Do youse guys in the US not have Hammerite paint? That's what we
mostly use here in Britain. It's top-notch stuff. Needs no priming or
special preparation at all; tough, durable, corrosion-resistant finish
suitable for exterior metalwork in all climates. Good range of colours
finishes and textures. And it's non-toxic. The only thing you need is
the special thinner (only for cleaning brushes or spray equipment -
not the application part).
--


It's available here. Their web page recommends use of their primer for
aluminum.



Martin February 11th 04 05:57 PM


"Paul Burridge" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:50:00 GMT, "Martin"
wrote:


"Bill Turner" wrote in message
.. .
Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?

--
Bill, W6WRT


I've gotten the best results by first washing with a strong detergent,
drying, and then using fine steel wool (0000 grade), wiping with a tack
cloth to pick up any steel wool and other dust, and then using a zinc
chromate primer.


Do youse guys in the US not have Hammerite paint? That's what we
mostly use here in Britain. It's top-notch stuff. Needs no priming or
special preparation at all; tough, durable, corrosion-resistant finish
suitable for exterior metalwork in all climates. Good range of colours
finishes and textures. And it's non-toxic. The only thing you need is
the special thinner (only for cleaning brushes or spray equipment -
not the application part).
--


It's available here. Their web page recommends use of their primer for
aluminum.



Derek Toeppen February 11th 04 09:34 PM

John Popelish wrote in message ...

A number of years ago I picked up a pint of an acid, from NAPA
Auto Parts, used to clean aluminum for painting.
Once clean, I use epoxy appliance spray paint from the local
hardware store.

Bill Turner wrote:

Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?

--
Bill, W6WRT


Most paint bonds well to aluminum oxide, if it is completely clean. I
think the best oxide for paint adhesion is a porous chromate anodize,
but thermal oxidation is very good, also. If the object can take the
heat, Wipe it with paint thinner, let dry, and bake it in a hot oven
(450 F) for an hour or so to evaporate or oxidize all traces of
surface oil and provide a good surface oxide. Do not touch it with
skin before painting.


Derek Toeppen February 11th 04 09:34 PM

John Popelish wrote in message ...

A number of years ago I picked up a pint of an acid, from NAPA
Auto Parts, used to clean aluminum for painting.
Once clean, I use epoxy appliance spray paint from the local
hardware store.

Bill Turner wrote:

Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

I have a small compressed air paint sprayer, and I'm wondering if
automotive paint might be good, or perhaps something else? Mainly
interested in black or shades of gray. What is the best primer for
aluminum?

--
Bill, W6WRT


Most paint bonds well to aluminum oxide, if it is completely clean. I
think the best oxide for paint adhesion is a porous chromate anodize,
but thermal oxidation is very good, also. If the object can take the
heat, Wipe it with paint thinner, let dry, and bake it in a hot oven
(450 F) for an hour or so to evaporate or oxidize all traces of
surface oil and provide a good surface oxide. Do not touch it with
skin before painting.


Gary S. February 11th 04 09:46 PM

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:19:53 -0800, Bill Turner
wrote:

Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

An alternative might be anodizing, which is a very durable and
corrosion resistant finish.

Some outfits which do anodizing will add your part in with a batch of
other things with the same process, and it could be far less $$ than
you think.

Any surface treatment, anodizing, paint, or whatever: surface
prep/cleaning is the key to a quality finish.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

Gary S. February 11th 04 09:46 PM

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:19:53 -0800, Bill Turner
wrote:

Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?

An alternative might be anodizing, which is a very durable and
corrosion resistant finish.

Some outfits which do anodizing will add your part in with a batch of
other things with the same process, and it could be far less $$ than
you think.

Any surface treatment, anodizing, paint, or whatever: surface
prep/cleaning is the key to a quality finish.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

Paul Burridge February 11th 04 11:45 PM

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:07:05 -0500, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:


I've had mixed success with Hammerite on aluminium (alloy). It certainly
covers well, but in the longer term it tends to flake off aluminium
surfaces that had not been extremely well cleaned and de-greased before
painting. Since the object in question was a 12-yagi antenna array,
scrupulous cleaning of every square inch was not a practical option.


Why do you want to paint an antenna ?
If it is going to be outside, you may need to check out the airplane paint.


That's the cyanide-based one, isn't it? He'll need a full-face,
filtered respirator with an air pump and inlet at least 30' away or
risk a sudden and very unpleasant death. Seems a bit OTT 2 me.
--

The BBC: Licensed at public expense to spread lies.

Paul Burridge February 11th 04 11:45 PM

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:07:05 -0500, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:


I've had mixed success with Hammerite on aluminium (alloy). It certainly
covers well, but in the longer term it tends to flake off aluminium
surfaces that had not been extremely well cleaned and de-greased before
painting. Since the object in question was a 12-yagi antenna array,
scrupulous cleaning of every square inch was not a practical option.


Why do you want to paint an antenna ?
If it is going to be outside, you may need to check out the airplane paint.


That's the cyanide-based one, isn't it? He'll need a full-face,
filtered respirator with an air pump and inlet at least 30' away or
risk a sudden and very unpleasant death. Seems a bit OTT 2 me.
--

The BBC: Licensed at public expense to spread lies.

Ralph Mowery February 12th 04 12:07 AM


I've had mixed success with Hammerite on aluminium (alloy). It certainly
covers well, but in the longer term it tends to flake off aluminium
surfaces that had not been extremely well cleaned and de-greased before
painting. Since the object in question was a 12-yagi antenna array,
scrupulous cleaning of every square inch was not a practical option.


Why do you want to paint an antenna ?
If it is going to be outside, you may need to check out the airplane paint.



Ralph Mowery February 12th 04 12:07 AM


I've had mixed success with Hammerite on aluminium (alloy). It certainly
covers well, but in the longer term it tends to flake off aluminium
surfaces that had not been extremely well cleaned and de-greased before
painting. Since the object in question was a 12-yagi antenna array,
scrupulous cleaning of every square inch was not a practical option.


Why do you want to paint an antenna ?
If it is going to be outside, you may need to check out the airplane paint.



[email protected] February 12th 04 12:49 AM

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:07:05 -0500, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:



I've had mixed success with Hammerite on aluminium (alloy). It certainly
covers well, but in the longer term it tends to flake off aluminium
surfaces that had not been extremely well cleaned and de-greased before
painting. Since the object in question was a 12-yagi antenna array,
scrupulous cleaning of every square inch was not a practical option.


Why do you want to paint an antenna ?
If it is going to be outside, you may need to check out the airplane paint.


That's the cyanide-based one, isn't it? He'll need a full-face,
filtered respirator with an air pump and inlet at least 30' away or
risk a sudden and very unpleasant death. Seems a bit OTT 2 me.
--


The BBC: Licensed at public expense to spread lies.


Cyanide based?

Most of the better aircraft paints (for metal; fabic is different) are
polyurethane enamels. Polyurethane mists require masks, but an air
pump 30' away, hardly.

--
Jim Pennino

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[email protected] February 12th 04 12:49 AM

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:07:05 -0500, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:



I've had mixed success with Hammerite on aluminium (alloy). It certainly
covers well, but in the longer term it tends to flake off aluminium
surfaces that had not been extremely well cleaned and de-greased before
painting. Since the object in question was a 12-yagi antenna array,
scrupulous cleaning of every square inch was not a practical option.


Why do you want to paint an antenna ?
If it is going to be outside, you may need to check out the airplane paint.


That's the cyanide-based one, isn't it? He'll need a full-face,
filtered respirator with an air pump and inlet at least 30' away or
risk a sudden and very unpleasant death. Seems a bit OTT 2 me.
--


The BBC: Licensed at public expense to spread lies.


Cyanide based?

Most of the better aircraft paints (for metal; fabic is different) are
polyurethane enamels. Polyurethane mists require masks, but an air
pump 30' away, hardly.

--
Jim Pennino

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Dave Platt February 12th 04 04:20 AM

In article , wrote:

Cyanide based?


Yup - isocyanates.

Most of the better aircraft paints (for metal; fabic is different) are
polyurethane enamels. Polyurethane mists require masks, but an air
pump 30' away, hardly.


According to the MSDS, some of the Dupont Imron paint formulations
contain an isocyanate, or use an added isocyanate activator/hardener.
This also seems to be true for some of the two-part "linear
polyurethane" finishes from other manufacturers, as well. The
isocyanates can cause a permanent sensitization of the lungs - a
chemically-induced asthma. Think "Super-glue fumes, in giant
industrial-sized portions" and you're probably in the right ballpark.

For these formulas, the MSDS specifies the use of a positive-pressure,
supplied-air respirator. Filter-type masks are not adequate.

It looks as if some of the Imron paints don't use isocyanates, and an
air-purifying respirator with organic-vapor filter cartridges is
stated to be sufficient.

http://www.bronkalla.com/upkeep/spray_imron.htm is interesting
reading, written by a boat builder/refinisher who used used a clear
Imron above the waterline.

Sure looks as if this stuff is something to be _very_ careful with...
read the MSDS, follow the instructions, observe all precautions, etc.
The idea of shopping out the job to a local body-shop which is already
set up for it is a good one, if you can find one in your area.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

Dave Platt February 12th 04 04:20 AM

In article , wrote:

Cyanide based?


Yup - isocyanates.

Most of the better aircraft paints (for metal; fabic is different) are
polyurethane enamels. Polyurethane mists require masks, but an air
pump 30' away, hardly.


According to the MSDS, some of the Dupont Imron paint formulations
contain an isocyanate, or use an added isocyanate activator/hardener.
This also seems to be true for some of the two-part "linear
polyurethane" finishes from other manufacturers, as well. The
isocyanates can cause a permanent sensitization of the lungs - a
chemically-induced asthma. Think "Super-glue fumes, in giant
industrial-sized portions" and you're probably in the right ballpark.

For these formulas, the MSDS specifies the use of a positive-pressure,
supplied-air respirator. Filter-type masks are not adequate.

It looks as if some of the Imron paints don't use isocyanates, and an
air-purifying respirator with organic-vapor filter cartridges is
stated to be sufficient.

http://www.bronkalla.com/upkeep/spray_imron.htm is interesting
reading, written by a boat builder/refinisher who used used a clear
Imron above the waterline.

Sure looks as if this stuff is something to be _very_ careful with...
read the MSDS, follow the instructions, observe all precautions, etc.
The idea of shopping out the job to a local body-shop which is already
set up for it is a good one, if you can find one in your area.

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Ian White, G3SEK February 12th 04 07:28 AM

Paul Burridge wrote:

you may need to check out the airplane paint.


That's the cyanide-based one, isn't it? He'll need a full-face,
filtered respirator with an air pump and inlet at least 30' away or
risk a sudden and very unpleasant death. Seems a bit OTT 2 me.
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Looks like the BBC's problem might be too much unlicensed amateur
competition :-)



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Ian White, G3SEK February 12th 04 07:28 AM

Paul Burridge wrote:

you may need to check out the airplane paint.


That's the cyanide-based one, isn't it? He'll need a full-face,
filtered respirator with an air pump and inlet at least 30' away or
risk a sudden and very unpleasant death. Seems a bit OTT 2 me.
--

The BBC: Licensed at public expense to spread lies.



Looks like the BBC's problem might be too much unlicensed amateur
competition :-)



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http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek

Jilly Bowman February 24th 04 02:00 PM


"Roger Conroy" wrote in message
...

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?



Dip it in ferric chloride for a couple of seconds then rinse with water, it
will then take paint perfectly. DO NOT LEAVE IT IN TOO LONG AND TAKE CARE.
suggest doing this in an open space as it will react much faster than
copper.



Jilly Bowman February 24th 04 02:00 PM


"Roger Conroy" wrote in message
...

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have any suggestions for painting aluminum in a way that
will be tougher and longer-lasting than you get with the usual spray
can?



Dip it in ferric chloride for a couple of seconds then rinse with water, it
will then take paint perfectly. DO NOT LEAVE IT IN TOO LONG AND TAKE CARE.
suggest doing this in an open space as it will react much faster than
copper.




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