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CW IDER
Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be
used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73, Mike. |
Hamtronics has CW ID modules. Their CWID-2 IDer uses an EPROM and they
will program it for you. http://www.hamtronics.com/ If you decide to build from scratch, Jameco probably has every "obsolete" part you would need, but if it is (E)(EE) PROM based, you'd have to build a programmer as well. http://www.jameco.com/ Scott zerobeat wrote: Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73, Mike. |
Hamtronics has CW ID modules. Their CWID-2 IDer uses an EPROM and they
will program it for you. http://www.hamtronics.com/ If you decide to build from scratch, Jameco probably has every "obsolete" part you would need, but if it is (E)(EE) PROM based, you'd have to build a programmer as well. http://www.jameco.com/ Scott zerobeat wrote: Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73, Mike. |
Anyone know of an easy to build ider?
Try www.k1el.com as he has some excellent projects and CW keyers at very good prices. I own a K9 (if I remember right) and it's excellent. Rv! |
Anyone know of an easy to build ider?
Try www.k1el.com as he has some excellent projects and CW keyers at very good prices. I own a K9 (if I remember right) and it's excellent. Rv! |
"zerobeat" wrote in message
om... Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73, Mike. You can also go the ComSpec ID-8 route (which is fully programmable) http://www.com-spec.com/id8.htm http://www.com-spec.com/id8test.htm w9gb |
"zerobeat" wrote in message
om... Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73, Mike. You can also go the ComSpec ID-8 route (which is fully programmable) http://www.com-spec.com/id8.htm http://www.com-spec.com/id8test.htm w9gb |
If you don't want to spend an afternoon building a programmer for a PIC, AVR
or whatever, be prepared to pay the long dollar. There are few folks these days who would build an IDer from discrete circuits. However, it's a pain in the butt trying to make an IDer programmable for someone who doesn't want to program! Understand that the "programming" doesn't have to be the barrier you suspect. Taking the PIC as an example, the PIC itself is under $3 depending on the model you choose. It needs 5 volts (a 78L05 and a couple of caps) or a 3 volt battery. If you are nutty about timing accuracy, it needs a crystal, 44 cents at DigiKey, or 98 cents if you want tiny. For an IDer, the only other thing you need is an interface to your audio, probably a transistor and a couple of resistors. If you want to build it up the "traditional" way, you will need a fistful of logic chips and a whole armload of diodes, or an array of DIP switches. Nobody would do that anymore, it's too exepnsive and complicated. To program a PIC, there are dozens of circuits out there. Probably the one that got most people started is the No Parts PIC programmer from Covington Innovations, because you got to have a pretty lame junk box not to have all the parts you need. Even if you have nothing, you can go down to Radio Shack and get all the parts for under $15, even at their outrageous prices. There are simpler designs, as well. Commercial programmers range from about $20 to over $100. All of the necessary software is available free. Once you invest in the programming capability you now can make not only IDers, but keyers, CW readers, autotuners, synthesizers, and on and on and on. I used the PIC only as an example. There are folks who would suggest that an AVR, HC908, or whatever is better. None of them change the equation very much. The PIC is one of the simpler parts and has been around a while, so there are hundreds of examples out there for all sorts of applications. An IDer is a good learning application -- it's hard to think of something simpler. Unless you expect that this will be your last project, it's probably worthwhile to bite the bullet and dive in.. ... "zerobeat" wrote in message om... Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73, Mike. |
If you don't want to spend an afternoon building a programmer for a PIC, AVR
or whatever, be prepared to pay the long dollar. There are few folks these days who would build an IDer from discrete circuits. However, it's a pain in the butt trying to make an IDer programmable for someone who doesn't want to program! Understand that the "programming" doesn't have to be the barrier you suspect. Taking the PIC as an example, the PIC itself is under $3 depending on the model you choose. It needs 5 volts (a 78L05 and a couple of caps) or a 3 volt battery. If you are nutty about timing accuracy, it needs a crystal, 44 cents at DigiKey, or 98 cents if you want tiny. For an IDer, the only other thing you need is an interface to your audio, probably a transistor and a couple of resistors. If you want to build it up the "traditional" way, you will need a fistful of logic chips and a whole armload of diodes, or an array of DIP switches. Nobody would do that anymore, it's too exepnsive and complicated. To program a PIC, there are dozens of circuits out there. Probably the one that got most people started is the No Parts PIC programmer from Covington Innovations, because you got to have a pretty lame junk box not to have all the parts you need. Even if you have nothing, you can go down to Radio Shack and get all the parts for under $15, even at their outrageous prices. There are simpler designs, as well. Commercial programmers range from about $20 to over $100. All of the necessary software is available free. Once you invest in the programming capability you now can make not only IDers, but keyers, CW readers, autotuners, synthesizers, and on and on and on. I used the PIC only as an example. There are folks who would suggest that an AVR, HC908, or whatever is better. None of them change the equation very much. The PIC is one of the simpler parts and has been around a while, so there are hundreds of examples out there for all sorts of applications. An IDer is a good learning application -- it's hard to think of something simpler. Unless you expect that this will be your last project, it's probably worthwhile to bite the bullet and dive in.. ... "zerobeat" wrote in message om... Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73, Mike. |
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"xpyttl" wrote in message ...
If you don't want to spend an afternoon building a programmer for a PIC, AVR or whatever, be prepared to pay the long dollar. There are few folks these days who would build an IDer from discrete circuits. However, it's a pain in the butt trying to make an IDer programmable for someone who doesn't want to program! The Hamtronics suggestion was most welcomed... As I'd stated .... I don't have the knowledge or expertise at programming, debugging software, etc. to indulge in the PIC. I'm sure it is a useful device and honestly, if I had the time to spend, I'd go that route, 73, Mike. |
"xpyttl" wrote in message ...
If you don't want to spend an afternoon building a programmer for a PIC, AVR or whatever, be prepared to pay the long dollar. There are few folks these days who would build an IDer from discrete circuits. However, it's a pain in the butt trying to make an IDer programmable for someone who doesn't want to program! The Hamtronics suggestion was most welcomed... As I'd stated .... I don't have the knowledge or expertise at programming, debugging software, etc. to indulge in the PIC. I'm sure it is a useful device and honestly, if I had the time to spend, I'd go that route, 73, Mike. |
Do a search on Ebay for "repeater controller". You might try one of Boyds
BD-1 repeater controllers, which also make killer ID'ers. B&D Enterprises has a web site that can be found with google. For about $69 you get a complete controller, that programs as an ID'er and/or repeater controller. You can talk to it with your computer (serial port) and program what ever message you want to transmit. The unit also responds to dtmf commands. Very Cool! cheers skipp www.radiowrench.com : zerobeat wrote: : Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be : used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've : seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a : small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73, : Mike. |
Do a search on Ebay for "repeater controller". You might try one of Boyds
BD-1 repeater controllers, which also make killer ID'ers. B&D Enterprises has a web site that can be found with google. For about $69 you get a complete controller, that programs as an ID'er and/or repeater controller. You can talk to it with your computer (serial port) and program what ever message you want to transmit. The unit also responds to dtmf commands. Very Cool! cheers skipp www.radiowrench.com : zerobeat wrote: : Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be : used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've : seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a : small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73, : Mike. |
"Skipp has a BD-1" wrote in message ... Do a search on Ebay for "repeater controller". You might try one of Boyds BD-1 repeater controllers, which also make killer ID'ers. B&D Enterprises has a web site that can be found with google. For about $69 you get a complete controller, that programs as an ID'er and/or repeater controller. You can talk to it with your computer (serial port) and program what ever message you want to transmit. The unit also responds to dtmf commands. Depending on how small and low power this has to be, you might even go the large route and buy a $15-20 used 386 or 486 computer with sound card, that way you could have a voice id, interfacing to the radio isn't too difficult. Something like the psk or mntty interface to trigger the radios ptt, and a simple program to do the timing and send out the audio. |
"Skipp has a BD-1" wrote in message ... Do a search on Ebay for "repeater controller". You might try one of Boyds BD-1 repeater controllers, which also make killer ID'ers. B&D Enterprises has a web site that can be found with google. For about $69 you get a complete controller, that programs as an ID'er and/or repeater controller. You can talk to it with your computer (serial port) and program what ever message you want to transmit. The unit also responds to dtmf commands. Depending on how small and low power this has to be, you might even go the large route and buy a $15-20 used 386 or 486 computer with sound card, that way you could have a voice id, interfacing to the radio isn't too difficult. Something like the psk or mntty interface to trigger the radios ptt, and a simple program to do the timing and send out the audio. |
Hi all,
I seem to have missed something here. The OP wanted a CW ID Keyer and we've all came up with various options. Some people are choosing products at over $50 and the most recent one suggested a PC. Everyone has had their reasons for these. A problem I have here is the OP hasn't really given us a fair chance of replying well, due to lack of information/feedback. If the OP basically wanted a CW ID Keyer as suggested, I really fail to see why a simple K1EL keyer for aroud $10 can be beat. A K10 is programmed by CW, it has a beacon mode and lot's of potentially useful features. Please OP, tell us what you really want as this thread is beginning to frustrate me due to all of the options, wide price range and huge variations in complexity. I understand we're all trying to help but the thread is getting crazy on price and complexity for an oh-so-simple problem! Rv! |
Hi all,
I seem to have missed something here. The OP wanted a CW ID Keyer and we've all came up with various options. Some people are choosing products at over $50 and the most recent one suggested a PC. Everyone has had their reasons for these. A problem I have here is the OP hasn't really given us a fair chance of replying well, due to lack of information/feedback. If the OP basically wanted a CW ID Keyer as suggested, I really fail to see why a simple K1EL keyer for aroud $10 can be beat. A K10 is programmed by CW, it has a beacon mode and lot's of potentially useful features. Please OP, tell us what you really want as this thread is beginning to frustrate me due to all of the options, wide price range and huge variations in complexity. I understand we're all trying to help but the thread is getting crazy on price and complexity for an oh-so-simple problem! Rv! |
"Rv!" wrote in message
... Hi all, I seem to have missed something here. The OP wanted a CW ID Keyer and we've all came up with Actually, the OP said IDer, not ID Keyer. Since the application was in the broadcast band, it seemed odd to me that he wanted an IDer, but clearly, I don't understand his application. I sort of wondered whether the COR was part of the problem, too, but he never revealed that much about his app. He seemed relatively happy with the Hamtronics choice, kinda pricey I thought, but they program it. That, apparently, is worth something to the OP. I suspect he may not know Morse so the K1EL keyer wouldn't be much use. In any case, he seemed to totally ignore the keyer suggestions, liked the high priced spread, and indicated he wouldn't mind rolling his own if he had the time. I thought the 386 was a great suggestion in the true ham tradition. We're always looking for small, sexy solutions, when an old boat anchor could be pressed into service practically free. Well, except for the time, and that, apparently, is an issue for the original poster. ... |
"Rv!" wrote in message
... Hi all, I seem to have missed something here. The OP wanted a CW ID Keyer and we've all came up with Actually, the OP said IDer, not ID Keyer. Since the application was in the broadcast band, it seemed odd to me that he wanted an IDer, but clearly, I don't understand his application. I sort of wondered whether the COR was part of the problem, too, but he never revealed that much about his app. He seemed relatively happy with the Hamtronics choice, kinda pricey I thought, but they program it. That, apparently, is worth something to the OP. I suspect he may not know Morse so the K1EL keyer wouldn't be much use. In any case, he seemed to totally ignore the keyer suggestions, liked the high priced spread, and indicated he wouldn't mind rolling his own if he had the time. I thought the 386 was a great suggestion in the true ham tradition. We're always looking for small, sexy solutions, when an old boat anchor could be pressed into service practically free. Well, except for the time, and that, apparently, is an issue for the original poster. ... |
Instead of using the K1EL KEYER, I would suggest the K-ID chip. K1EL
programs it so one doesn't need to know Morse at all. 8 Dollars plus the price of one capacitor is certainly hard to beat! Scott N0EDV xpyttl wrote: "Rv!" wrote in message ... Hi all, I seem to have missed something here. The OP wanted a CW ID Keyer and we've all came up with Actually, the OP said IDer, not ID Keyer. Since the application was in the broadcast band, it seemed odd to me that he wanted an IDer, but clearly, I don't understand his application. I sort of wondered whether the COR was part of the problem, too, but he never revealed that much about his app. He seemed relatively happy with the Hamtronics choice, kinda pricey I thought, but they program it. That, apparently, is worth something to the OP. I suspect he may not know Morse so the K1EL keyer wouldn't be much use. In any case, he seemed to totally ignore the keyer suggestions, liked the high priced spread, and indicated he wouldn't mind rolling his own if he had the time. I thought the 386 was a great suggestion in the true ham tradition. We're always looking for small, sexy solutions, when an old boat anchor could be pressed into service practically free. Well, except for the time, and that, apparently, is an issue for the original poster. .. |
Instead of using the K1EL KEYER, I would suggest the K-ID chip. K1EL
programs it so one doesn't need to know Morse at all. 8 Dollars plus the price of one capacitor is certainly hard to beat! Scott N0EDV xpyttl wrote: "Rv!" wrote in message ... Hi all, I seem to have missed something here. The OP wanted a CW ID Keyer and we've all came up with Actually, the OP said IDer, not ID Keyer. Since the application was in the broadcast band, it seemed odd to me that he wanted an IDer, but clearly, I don't understand his application. I sort of wondered whether the COR was part of the problem, too, but he never revealed that much about his app. He seemed relatively happy with the Hamtronics choice, kinda pricey I thought, but they program it. That, apparently, is worth something to the OP. I suspect he may not know Morse so the K1EL keyer wouldn't be much use. In any case, he seemed to totally ignore the keyer suggestions, liked the high priced spread, and indicated he wouldn't mind rolling his own if he had the time. I thought the 386 was a great suggestion in the true ham tradition. We're always looking for small, sexy solutions, when an old boat anchor could be pressed into service practically free. Well, except for the time, and that, apparently, is an issue for the original poster. .. |
"zerobeat" wrote in message om... Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73, Mike. You could build something with an EEPROM and some counters. See my 30m beacon project http://www.hanssummers.com/radio/qrss/index.htm . There's no microcontroller in sight. But it's replaced by, err..., quite a number of TTL etc. If you didn't want all the features and you didn't want to be able to reprogram it frequently, you could come up with considerable simplifications. Hans http://www.HansSummers.com |
"zerobeat" wrote in message om... Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73, Mike. You could build something with an EEPROM and some counters. See my 30m beacon project http://www.hanssummers.com/radio/qrss/index.htm . There's no microcontroller in sight. But it's replaced by, err..., quite a number of TTL etc. If you didn't want all the features and you didn't want to be able to reprogram it frequently, you could come up with considerable simplifications. Hans http://www.HansSummers.com |
(zerobeat) wrote in message . com...
Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73, Mike. Don't sell yourself too short on the programming end. You might sneak a peak at http://www.picaxe.orcon.net.nz/ He has code for a PICAXE-08 for a 35 word per minute CW IDer. He is using a simple and cheap controller from http://www.picaxe.co.uk which is $2 to $3 and can be programmed again and again using simply a PC COM port and two resistors. The software free from the PICAXE site. I have code samples for more complex PICAXE devices at http://www.phanderson.com/picaxe/picaxe.html Barring using a processor, I think this would be one difficult problem. With the processor it appears it can be done with a single 8-pin PICAXE. 73 de KZ3K |
(zerobeat) wrote in message . com...
Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73, Mike. Don't sell yourself too short on the programming end. You might sneak a peak at http://www.picaxe.orcon.net.nz/ He has code for a PICAXE-08 for a 35 word per minute CW IDer. He is using a simple and cheap controller from http://www.picaxe.co.uk which is $2 to $3 and can be programmed again and again using simply a PC COM port and two resistors. The software free from the PICAXE site. I have code samples for more complex PICAXE devices at http://www.phanderson.com/picaxe/picaxe.html Barring using a processor, I think this would be one difficult problem. With the processor it appears it can be done with a single 8-pin PICAXE. 73 de KZ3K |
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