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The Eternal Squire May 24th 04 06:07 AM

May I have a couple to experiment with, too?

Thanks,

Andrew Jonathan Fine
WA2JAZ
(aka The Eternal Squire)

Harold E. Johnson wrote:
Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM and


FM?

Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more modern
chip?


I have some 373's and I think, some 273's as well if you'd like to try your
hand at one. (free to good home)

W4ZCB




The Eternal Squire May 24th 04 06:07 AM

May I have a couple to experiment with, too?

Thanks,

Andrew Jonathan Fine
WA2JAZ
(aka The Eternal Squire)

Harold E. Johnson wrote:
Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM and


FM?

Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more modern
chip?


I have some 373's and I think, some 273's as well if you'd like to try your
hand at one. (free to good home)

W4ZCB




The Eternal Squire May 24th 04 06:09 AM

Ah, but DSP is far from simple to work with... and is overkill for
popcorn gear.

Leon Heller wrote:

"John" wrote in message
...

Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM and


FM?

Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more modern
chip?



You can do all those modes with a DSP. 8-)

Leon



The Eternal Squire May 24th 04 06:09 AM

Ah, but DSP is far from simple to work with... and is overkill for
popcorn gear.

Leon Heller wrote:

"John" wrote in message
...

Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM and


FM?

Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more modern
chip?



You can do all those modes with a DSP. 8-)

Leon



John May 25th 04 07:06 AM

SSB AM FM Detector IC
 
Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM and FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more modern
chip?

Thanks




Michael Black May 25th 04 03:46 PM

"John" ) writes:
Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM and FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more modern
chip?

Thanks



The LM373 was a whole IF strip, a variable gain stage and then a fixed gain
stage feeding the detector. The detector itself is relatively simple.

A "Gilbert Cell" mixer can be a multi-mode detector. Obviously, it's
a product detector for SSB and CW. But put the incoming signal through
a limiter and use that as the "BFO" input and you've got an AM detector
(while the 373 has a separate AM detector, the application notes even
suggest this scheme). Limit the incoming signal, and then feed it
through a suitable phase shifter into the "BFO" input, and you've got an
FM detector.

"Gilbert Cell" mixers show up in plenty of places. The MC1330 AM detector,
and all kinds of FM detector ICs (where they are used as quadrature
detectors, as I describe above)

But I suspect at this late a date, an IC designed to be a multi-mode
detector or IF is realtively rare. There is not much demand for it.
So you have to create the function yourself.

Michael VE2BVW


Michael Black May 25th 04 03:46 PM

"John" ) writes:
Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM and FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more modern
chip?

Thanks



The LM373 was a whole IF strip, a variable gain stage and then a fixed gain
stage feeding the detector. The detector itself is relatively simple.

A "Gilbert Cell" mixer can be a multi-mode detector. Obviously, it's
a product detector for SSB and CW. But put the incoming signal through
a limiter and use that as the "BFO" input and you've got an AM detector
(while the 373 has a separate AM detector, the application notes even
suggest this scheme). Limit the incoming signal, and then feed it
through a suitable phase shifter into the "BFO" input, and you've got an
FM detector.

"Gilbert Cell" mixers show up in plenty of places. The MC1330 AM detector,
and all kinds of FM detector ICs (where they are used as quadrature
detectors, as I describe above)

But I suspect at this late a date, an IC designed to be a multi-mode
detector or IF is realtively rare. There is not much demand for it.
So you have to create the function yourself.

Michael VE2BVW


Harold E. Johnson May 25th 04 04:47 PM


Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM and

FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more modern
chip?

I have some 373's and I think, some 273's as well if you'd like to try your
hand at one. (free to good home)

W4ZCB



Harold E. Johnson May 25th 04 04:47 PM


Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM and

FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more modern
chip?

I have some 373's and I think, some 273's as well if you'd like to try your
hand at one. (free to good home)

W4ZCB



Leon Heller May 25th 04 05:23 PM

"John" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM and

FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more modern
chip?


You can do all those modes with a DSP. 8-)

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM
http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller



Leon Heller May 25th 04 05:23 PM

"John" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM and

FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more modern
chip?


You can do all those modes with a DSP. 8-)

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM
http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller



Gregg May 28th 04 06:39 AM

Behold, Leon Heller signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

"John" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM
and

FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more
modern chip?


You can do all those modes with a DSP. 8-)

Leon


How many 12AU7's do I need to make that? ;-p

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Gregg May 28th 04 06:39 AM

Behold, Leon Heller signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

"John" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM
and

FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more
modern chip?


You can do all those modes with a DSP. 8-)

Leon


How many 12AU7's do I need to make that? ;-p

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Michael Black May 28th 04 07:01 AM

Gregg ) writes:
Behold, Leon Heller signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

"John" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM
and

FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more
modern chip?


You can do all those modes with a DSP. 8-)

Leon


How many 12AU7's do I need to make that? ;-p

Well, you wouldn't be using 12AU7's.

At the very least, you'd be using Compactrons to get maximum tube
count per envelope.

But likely, Nuvistors or sub-miniature tubes would be the only way
to do it, if it could be done, since they are so much smaller.

Michael VE2BVW


Michael Black May 28th 04 07:01 AM

Gregg ) writes:
Behold, Leon Heller signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

"John" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM
and

FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more
modern chip?


You can do all those modes with a DSP. 8-)

Leon


How many 12AU7's do I need to make that? ;-p

Well, you wouldn't be using 12AU7's.

At the very least, you'd be using Compactrons to get maximum tube
count per envelope.

But likely, Nuvistors or sub-miniature tubes would be the only way
to do it, if it could be done, since they are so much smaller.

Michael VE2BVW


David J Windisch May 28th 04 10:18 AM

All of the available lot plus the next production run ;o)
73, Dave, N3HE

"Gregg" wrote in message
news:LgAtc.27519$SQ2.5451@edtnps89...
SNIP
How many 12AU7's do I need to make that? ;-p

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca




David J Windisch May 28th 04 10:18 AM

All of the available lot plus the next production run ;o)
73, Dave, N3HE

"Gregg" wrote in message
news:LgAtc.27519$SQ2.5451@edtnps89...
SNIP
How many 12AU7's do I need to make that? ;-p

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca




J M Noeding May 28th 04 11:41 AM

On Tue, 25 May 2004 15:47:32 GMT, "Harold E. Johnson"
wrote:


Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM and

FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more modern
chip?

I have some 373's and I think, some 273's as well if you'd like to try your
hand at one. (free to good home)

W4ZCB

It was a thread short while ago, you may also find some info on my
page http://home.online.no/~la8ak/c11.htm - unfortunately I had to PC
crashes this year so I cannot give more info, but believe Pete KE9OA
had some boards using somewhat more up-to-date solution

73
jm

J M Noeding May 28th 04 11:41 AM

On Tue, 25 May 2004 15:47:32 GMT, "Harold E. Johnson"
wrote:


Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM and

FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more modern
chip?

I have some 373's and I think, some 273's as well if you'd like to try your
hand at one. (free to good home)

W4ZCB

It was a thread short while ago, you may also find some info on my
page http://home.online.no/~la8ak/c11.htm - unfortunately I had to PC
crashes this year so I cannot give more info, but believe Pete KE9OA
had some boards using somewhat more up-to-date solution

73
jm

J M Noeding May 28th 04 09:17 PM

On 28 May 2004 06:01:02 GMT, (Michael Black)
wrote:



Well, you wouldn't be using 12AU7's.

At the very least, you'd be using Compactrons to get maximum tube
count per envelope.

But likely, Nuvistors or sub-miniature tubes would be the only way
to do it, if it could be done, since they are so much smaller.

Michael VE2BVW


I'd suggest you to try the universal and easy to solder detector - 6H6
and let the software compensate for the missed electronic skills

JM

J M Noeding May 28th 04 09:17 PM

On 28 May 2004 06:01:02 GMT, (Michael Black)
wrote:



Well, you wouldn't be using 12AU7's.

At the very least, you'd be using Compactrons to get maximum tube
count per envelope.

But likely, Nuvistors or sub-miniature tubes would be the only way
to do it, if it could be done, since they are so much smaller.

Michael VE2BVW


I'd suggest you to try the universal and easy to solder detector - 6H6
and let the software compensate for the missed electronic skills

JM

Pete KE9OA May 30th 04 08:20 AM

That is correct....................in my current version, I am using an
Analog Devices AD607 as the Sync detector, but this chip will also function
as an SSB and as an FM detector.

Pete

"J M Noeding" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 May 2004 15:47:32 GMT, "Harold E. Johnson"
wrote:


Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM

and
FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more

modern
chip?

I have some 373's and I think, some 273's as well if you'd like to try

your
hand at one. (free to good home)

W4ZCB

It was a thread short while ago, you may also find some info on my
page http://home.online.no/~la8ak/c11.htm - unfortunately I had to PC
crashes this year so I cannot give more info, but believe Pete KE9OA
had some boards using somewhat more up-to-date solution

73
jm




Pete KE9OA May 30th 04 08:20 AM

That is correct....................in my current version, I am using an
Analog Devices AD607 as the Sync detector, but this chip will also function
as an SSB and as an FM detector.

Pete

"J M Noeding" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 May 2004 15:47:32 GMT, "Harold E. Johnson"
wrote:


Does anyone know of a multimode detector IC that will handle SSB, AM

and
FM?
Looking at an old ARRL handbook I can see LM373. Is there a more

modern
chip?

I have some 373's and I think, some 273's as well if you'd like to try

your
hand at one. (free to good home)

W4ZCB

It was a thread short while ago, you may also find some info on my
page http://home.online.no/~la8ak/c11.htm - unfortunately I had to PC
crashes this year so I cannot give more info, but believe Pete KE9OA
had some boards using somewhat more up-to-date solution

73
jm





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