On 08/06/17 17:34, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:


It relates to the abysmal lack of technical acumen amongst those
who are today's would-br radio amateurs, most of whom are
really CBers-masquerading-as-radio-hams, identifiable by their
M3 and M6 callsigns past and present.


Perhaps you are right, but does that matter ?. Might not all have
the tech ability of the past, but just as keen on operating and
the social aspects of the hobby. We can't all be tech experts, but
there are still plenty of deep tech areas for those interested.

Seems a bit of an elitist attitude really, speaking as one who
built his first one valve set at 11 and always more interested
in the tech side than operating...

Chris

On 06/08/2017 19:58, Chris wrote:
On 08/06/17 17:34, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:


It relates to the abysmal lack of technical acumen amongst those
who are today's would-br radio amateurs, most of whom are
really CBers-masquerading-as-radio-hams, identifiable by their
M3 and M6 callsigns past and present.


Perhaps you are right, but does that matter ?. Might not all have
the tech ability of the past, but just as keen on operating and
the social aspects of the hobby. We can't all be tech experts, but
there are still plenty of deep tech areas for those interested.

Seems a bit of an elitist attitude really, speaking as one who
built his first one valve set at 11 and always more interested
in the tech side than operating...

Elitism, yes, and something to be jealously guarded.

AIUI, there are already countries where only commercially
available rigs may be used, and by flooding this country
with technical numbskulls risks the powers-that-would-be
perceiving we all as operators only.

Amateur radio is primarily a technical pursuit with operation
being a trivially simple follow-on; so trivially simple, in fact,
that it is a nonsense to examine based upon operating. The 5-year-old
with her smartphone does not have to pass an exam on her operating
capability!

As to your last comment, Yes, more technician than operative,
I still maintain a logbook, with all test
and CQ calls logged, and yet after 47 years I'm only just half way
through my 2nd log book.

On 06/08/2017 20:18, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
Amateur radio is primarily a technical pursuit with operation
being a trivially simple follow-on; so trivially simple, in fact,
that it is a nonsense to examine based upon operating.

If operating is so trivially simple why couldn't you tune the PA in the
radio you bought? Even CBers can do that.

mm0fmf wrote:

On 06/08/2017 20:18, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
Amateur radio is primarily a technical pursuit with operation
being a trivially simple follow-on; so trivially simple, in fact,
that it is a nonsense to examine based upon operating.

If operating is so trivially simple why couldn't you tune the PA in the
radio you bought? Even CBers can do that.

Do you need to trade silly (and, yes, typically junior school stuff)
abuse rehearsed from interminable local arguments all over the Internet?
Why not keep this childish repetitive stuff for ukra where it "belongs"?
You *are* an adult, aren't you? Gareth's silly comments are quite
obviously silly comments without you clutttering the place up arguing
with him about it. If you think his comments about operating being too
easy and of no interest are inaccurate, why not say so, at least it will
soon be obvious he is in a minority of one? I for instance have very
little interest in operating but agree that it is an essential and
worthy part of the hobby (and not so easy as Gareth thinks) so why not
stick to the actual issue when discussing it internationally and outside
of the AR groups?



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Roger Hayter